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Old 02-28-2007, 03:28 AM   #1
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Condom effectiveness. scary!

I'm gonna have to get "fixed".

* In one year, only two of every 100 couples who use condoms consistently and correctly will experience an unintended pregnancy

* In one year with perfect use (meaning couples use condoms consistently and correctly at every act of sex), 98 percent of women relying on male condoms will remain pregnancy free. With typical use, 85 percent relying on male condoms will remain pregnancy free.
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Old 02-28-2007, 03:36 AM   #2
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Oh, and they view that as a positive. "only".

But consider ... in a 5 year period there is about a 10% chance of getting a girl pregnant on condoms only. That will fuck up your life if you don't plan on having kids.
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Oh, and they view that as a positive. "only".

But consider ... in a 5 year period there is about a 10% chance of getting a girl pregnant on condoms only. That will fuck up your life if you don't plan on having kids.
thats for sure..
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Hahah...i await the day the "perfect condom" will be made
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i think they already made that, it's called not giving a fuck?
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well pull out even when you have a condom on...aim for her eyes :-D
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Having your girlfriend use birth control pills isn't really that much better... perfect use of birth control pills has under 1% failure rate per year, but that's just theoretical since there can be lapses in daily use of birth control. Typical use failure is a little over 3%. Still better than those condom figures though.

Pharmaceutical companies are working hard on getting a male birth control pill underway -- most of the options revolve around mucking around with the production of a unique protein that is used to form the sperm's tail. That way it doesn't screw up anything else in your body, and it's reversible a few weeks after stopping. I can see that being -extremely- popular.

I think once that comes out, sexually active guys will be combining the male contraceptive (which could be combined with regular supplements) with condom use, or in a long-term relationship, both partners using birth control.
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LOL you need to go back to school mate. It says 98% that's 2 percent so just because its over 5 years doesnt mean u make it 2*5... its still 2%
The figure they give is for one year only. In order to get the number for x number of years you calculate 1 minus the probability of NOT getting pregnant raised to the xth power. So in this case 1 minus (.98 raised to the 5th power). .98^5 is .9039. Then you subtract that from one which is .0961 so 9.61% which rounds to 10%.

If there were a 10% chance of getting pregnant in any one year then the chance of getting pregnant in a 5 year period would be 1-(.9^5) which is 41%.

You are right that it is not 2*5 but it just looks like that for small numbers (2%, for example)
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What the fuck are you talking about Willis? This is not a tear and wear you don't reuse condoms man. I'm pretty sure what they mean is 98% safe meaning exactly what it says 98% leaving 2% chances of your chick getting pregnant. Whether you use 1 or 2000 condoms over 1 night or 10 years.

Somebody please step in here and tell me if I'm way off?
your logic is correct michael
you dont accumulate risk each time unless you are reusing the same condom..lol
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What the fuck are you talking about Willis? This is not a tear and wear you don't reuse condoms man. I'm pretty sure what they mean is 98% safe meaning exactly what it says 98% leaving 2% chances of your chick getting pregnant. Whether you use 1 or 2000 condoms over 1 night or 10 years.
No, If you have sex 1000x there is a much greater chance of getting someone pregnant than if you have sex one time. There is some chance of a condom "failing". A very small chance. More uses = more danger.
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No, If you have sex 1000x there is a much greater chance of getting someone pregnant than if you have sex one time. There is some chance of a condom "failing". A very small chance. More uses = more danger.
similar to a roulette wheel, the statistics for whether you land on red or black don't go up exponentially each time you play, nor each time you have sex. you can also liken this to flipping a coin; just because you flip the coin a thousand times doesn't mean the probability of the coin landing on either heads or tales increases. it is a YES/NO, just as is a BROKEN CONDOM/EFFECTIVE CONDOM.
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Astroglide is a nice last chance backup just in case a condom fails. It has been shown to damage sperm.

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Can I use Astroglide while trying to conceive?
Astroglide is not a spermicide and will not kill sperm. Studies have shown, however, that Astroglide as well as other topical lubricants do inhibit the motility or movement of sperm. Knowing this, if you choose to use Astroglide, we suggest using a small amount applied to the outer area. Discontinue use if conception is not achieved in a reasonable amount of time. It is always advised to consult your physician first and to follow his or her recommendation.


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In the study, researchers compared the effects of combining donor sperm from 13 different men in a solution of 10% of each of the four different vaginal lubricants vs. untreated sperm.

The results showed that sperm activity ranged from a high of 66% in untreated sperm to a low of 2% in a solution containing Astroglide.


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It says "in one year".

In my scenario.

Year 1. 100 condom using people. 2 pregnancies
Year 2. 100 condom using people. 2 pregnancies
Year 3. 100 condom using people. 2 pregnancies
Year 4. 100 condom using people. 2 pregnancies
Year 5. 100 condom using people. 2 pregnancies

In the other scenario something like this:

Year 1. 100 condom using people. 2 pregnancies
Year 2. 100 condom using people. 0 pregnancies
Year 3. 100 condom using people. 0 pregnancies
Year 4. 100 condom using people. 0 pregnancies
Year 5. 100 condom using people. 0 pregnancies

I think they mean the first.

OR ... say there is a 1 in 1000 chance of getting pregnant each time a condom is used. The chances of getting pregnant after having sex once is 1 in 1000. The chances of getting pregnant after having sex 10 times is not STILL 1 in 1000 total. It is now 1-(999/1000)^10.
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similar to a roulette wheel, the statistics for whether you land on red or black don't go up exponentially each time you play, nor each time you have sex. you can also liken this to flipping a coin; just because you flip the coin a thousand times doesn't mean the probability of the coin landing on either heads or tales increases. it is a YES/NO, just as is a BROKEN CONDOM/EFFECTIVE CONDOM.
In the analogy to coin flipping, the odds of getting AT LEAST one head go up when you flip multiple times.

1 flip. 50% chance of getting at least one head.
2 flips. 75% chance of getting at least one head (1-1/2^2)
3 flips. 87.5% chance of getting at least one head (1-1/2^3)

This is like the chance of getting pregnant. Forget the condom for a moment. Say you have a 1 in 20 chance of getting pregnant each time you have sex.

After 1 time. 5% chance of being pregnant
After 2 times. 9.75% chance of being pregnant
After 3 times. 14.3%
After 20 times. 64.2%

NOT:

After 1 time. 5% chance of being pregnant
After 2 times. 5% chance of being pregnant
After 3 times. 5%
After 20 times. 5%
(if that were true there wouldn't be many kids! Only 1 in 20 people could have kids. More sex = more kids!)
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What if you use condoms and birth control pills and spermicide
Assume:

1 year condom effectiveness: 98%
1 year birth control pill effectiveness: 98%
1 year spermicide effectivess: 74%

Then chance of pregnancy in a year would be: (2/100)*(2/100)*(26/100) = 1 in 9600. That's the way to go.
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Can you imagine a lady stuck wearing this and having to take a piss while the dude with the key is off conquering some distant kingdom? I can't imagine that would be pleasant for a young lady...
and then he dies and it is stuck forever... and rust!
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Can you imagine a lady stuck wearing this and having to take a piss while the dude with the key is off conquering some distant kingdom? I can't imagine that would be pleasant for a young lady...
She could piss with it ,just couldn't get fucked. I'm sure they were "technical" virgins but took some ass rumping
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What the fuck are you talking about Willis? This is not a tear and wear you don't reuse condoms man. I'm pretty sure what they mean is 98% safe meaning exactly what it says 98% leaving 2% chances of your chick getting pregnant. Whether you use 1 or 2000 condoms over 1 night or 10 years.

Somebody please step in here and tell me if I'm way off?

Your math is correct, the 2% probability doesn't change. His math is (for lack of a better phrase) fucked.
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Your math is correct, the 2% probability doesn't change. His math is (for lack of a better phrase) fucked.
Ludicrous! If you have a 10% chance of winning a contest every time you play you have a better chance of winning "at least once" if you play 3 times than if you play only once. It is not that your odds are higher in the second or third game. They are the same in the first game as in the second as in the third. If you play multiple times you have a better chance of winning at least once.

NOW, It is not just "98% safe". It is 98% safe PER COUPLE PER YEAR. NOT 98% safe PER COUPLE PER LIFETIME.

IF "in one year two of every 100 couples who use condoms consistently and correctly will experience an unintended pregnancy" THEN how many couples who use condoms consistently and correctly will experience an unintended pregnancy in a 10 year period? MORE than 2%! Of course!
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Ludicrous! If you have a 10% chance of winning a contest every time you play you have a better chance of winning "at least once" if you play 3 times than if you play only once. It is not that your odds are higher in the second or third game. They are the same in the first game as in the second as in the third. If you play multiple times you have a better chance of winning at least once.


Incorrect. Here's a link to get you started on learning about statistical probabilities.
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Old 02-28-2007, 03:16 PM   #47
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Incorrect. Here's a link to get you started on learning about statistical probabilities.
It is really simple.

I said "If you have a 10% chance of winning a contest every time you play you have a better chance of winning "at least once" if you play 3 times than if you play only once."

Now here is the math.

If you have a 10% chance of winning a contest and play one time only your chance of winning at least once is just that 10%.

If you have a 10% chance of winning a contest and play twice your chance of winning at least once is now 1 minus the chance of losing both times. The chance of losing both times is .9*.9 = .81. So the chance of winning at least one game is 1-.81 = .19 = 19%

If you have a 10% chance of winning a contest and play three times your chance of winning at least once is now 1 minus the chance of losing all three times. The chance of losing all three times is .9*.9*.9 = .729. So the chance of winning at least one game is 1-.729 = 27.1%

27.1% is higher than 10%.
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Incorrect. Here's a link to get you started on learning about statistical probabilities.
Read this article I wrote instead. Much more useful.
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Incorrect. Here's a link to get you started on learning about statistical probabilities.

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