Iran to execute British soldiers

[Splum]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1563877.ece

FIFTEEN British sailors and marines arrested by Iran?s Revolutionary Guards off the coast of Iraq charged with spying. A website run by associates of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, reported last night that the Britons would be put before a court and indicted. Referring to them as ?insurgents?, the site concluded: ?If it is proven that they deliberately entered Iranian territory, they will be charged with espionage. The penalty for espionage in Iran is death.

[Sly]

They wouldn't execute them. They would be asking for war regardless of whether they were guilty or not. And after they got hit with more sanctions today, they aren't going to do anything that extreme.

[tony286]

It said they may go to trial and if so the sentence would be death.May doesnt mean thats going to happen. No one is going to get killed this is a bargaining chip.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Sly

They wouldn't execute them. They would be asking for war regardless of whether they were guilty or not. And after they got hit with more sanctions today, they aren't going to do anything that extreme.

We hope.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by tony404

it doesn't say that, man you should get a job at fox. It said they may go to trial and if so the sentence would be death.May doesnt mean thats going to happen. No one is going to get killed this is a bargaining chip.

Oh I see its a HOSTAGE situation ehh? I suppose the ransom should be met?

[Digipimp]

Originally Posted by tony404

It said they may go to trial and if so the sentence would be death.May doesnt mean thats going to happen. No one is going to get killed this is a bargaining chip.

haha that is exactly how fox news people would spin that shit. the iranians are crazy alright, but they're not crazy enough to do something that blatantly stupid.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Digipimp

haha that is exactly how fox news people would spin that shit. the iranians are crazy alright, but they're not crazy enough to do something that blatantly stupid.

Stupid like taking hostage British soldiers in Iraqi territory?
Stupid like funding and providing terrorists with explosives and money to kill American and British soldiers?
Stupid like defying the entire world and making nuclear weapons?

[Sly]

One thing I find kind of humorous though. They claim these 15 Brits willingly confessed to a "blatant aggression" against Iran.

There's no way in hell they admitted that. They probably don't even know who's water they were in. So this begs the question, what did the Iranians do to these Brits to force the "confession"?

[Digipimp]

Originally Posted by Splum

Stupid like taking hostage British soldiers in Iraqi territory?

you do realize there are multiple levels of stupidity right? and from their perspective this isnt that bad a move because iran is in a power position. they know that we'd like to do airstrikes on them, but they know that at the same time we dont want to, and this is a calculated risk that will most likely work out in their favor as long as they dont kill them. if they kill them it's pretty much guaranteed that some shit will get blown up.

[Digipimp]

Originally Posted by Splum

Stupid like taking hostage British soldiers in Iraqi territory?
Stupid like funding and providing terrorists with explosives and money to kill American and British soldiers?
Stupid like defying the entire world and making nuclear weapons?

and with your narrow understanding of the world, all of the things you sighted right there from their perspective if we're being objective are not stupid things for them to do.

of course im not in favor of any of them and neither are the majority of us, but that doesnt mean those are stupid things.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Digipimp

you do realize there are multiple levels of stupidity right? and from their perspective this isnt that bad a move because iran is in a power position. they know that we'd like to do airstrikes on them, but they know that at the same time we dont want to, and this is a calculated risk that will most likely work out in their favor as long as they dont kill them. if they kill them it's pretty much guaranteed that some shit will get blown up.

I dont give a fuck about THEIR perspective and you seem like you are "supporting" or at least "understanding" of their actions. Those soldiers should be released immediately no ifs ands or buts about it.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Digipimp

you do realize there are multiple levels of stupidity right? and from their perspective this isnt that bad a move because iran is in a power position. they know that we'd like to do airstrikes on them, but they know that at the same time we dont want to, and this is a calculated risk that will most likely work out in their favor as long as they dont kill them. if they kill them it's pretty much guaranteed that some shit will get blown up.

I'm a little confused as to why this was a good decision for Iran. Maybe you left out a sentence or something, because I can't see any positive coming from this and you really didn't explain much.

A lot of people are pissed off at Iran anyway. Who's waters these soldiers were in is still unclear. The Iranians are probably trying to make a statement saying "hey, we'll take your guys too". But then what? What's really going to happen? A trade is unlikely. Concessions are unlikely.

This is only going to piss off even more of the Western world. Now they're just flipping their finger.

[he-fox]

Originally Posted by Splum

Stupid like taking hostage British soldiers in Iraqi territory?

interesting how this story evolves, it looks like the british soldiers "admitted" illegal entrance on the iranian territorial waters

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...ors/index.html

I think they will be released

[Digipimp]

Originally Posted by Splum

I dont give a fuck about THEIR perspective and you seem like you are "supporting" or at least "understanding" of their actions. Those soldiers should be released immediately no ifs ands or buts about it.

is it really possible that you're this dumb?

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Digipimp

of course im not in favor of any of them and neither are the majority of us, but that doesnt mean those are stupid things.

You think its NOT stupid that they defy the United Nations, you think its NOT stupid that they take hostages, you think its NOT stupid they fund terrorists?

Its stupid period, Iran could never win a war against any western nation PERIOD.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Splum

Stupid like taking hostage British soldiers in Iraqi territory?
Stupid like funding and providing terrorists with explosives and money to kill American and British soldiers?
Stupid like defying the entire world and making nuclear weapons?

Actually your wrong on the funding that's saudi's who are untouchable for some reason.Iran funds the people on the other side of the civil war not the ones killing americans. 911 17 of 19 were saudi's but we go to iraq. yeah that makes sense.
Also lets see the leader of the free world calls you part of the axis of evil , invades your neighbor for no reason but the little crazy korean who makes threats nothing happens to him. Why because he has nukes.Pakastan,who has also funded terror also probably hiding bin laden nothing happens to them why they have nukes.The nuke club gets you different treatment.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by he-fox

interesting how this story evolves, it looks like the british soldiers "admitted" illegal entrance on the iranian territorial waters

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...ors/index.html

I think they will be released

Yeah and if the Iranians said it, it must be true. You fucking terrorist sympathizers never cease to amaze me.

[Digipimp]

Originally Posted by Sly

I'm a little confused as to why this was a good decision for Iran. Maybe you left out a sentence or something, because I can't see any positive coming from this and you really didn't explain much.

A lot of people are pissed off at Iran anyway. Who's waters these soldiers were in is still unclear. The Iranians are probably trying to make a statement saying "hey, we'll take your guys too". But then what? What's really going to happen? A trade is unlikely. Concessions are unlikely.

This is only going to piss off even more of the Western world. Now they're just flipping their finger.

come on man they dont really give a fuck about pissing the world off. they're the bully right now, our war in iraq has put them in a power position that they werent in before. unfortunately because of that they can do nearly anything they want short of straight up attacks and executing soldiers like was mentioned here in the first post.

for the record i was against the war in iraq, but actually am in fact in favor of military action against iran. however its much more difficult as a result of our actions in the war we took on for iraq. there are many many things that are now factored in that weren't before that put us in a fucked position.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Splum

You think its NOT stupid that they defy the United Nations, you think its NOT stupid that they take hostages, you think its NOT stupid they fund terrorists?

Its stupid period, Iran could never win a war against any western nation PERIOD.

We are stretched very very thin, a ground war would be a problem.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by tony404

Actually your wrong on the funding that's saudi's who are untouchable for some reason.Iran funds the people on the other side of the civil war not the ones killing americans. 911 17 of 19 or saudi's but we got to iraq. yeah that makes sense.

IRAN FUNDS TERRORISTS plain and simple you lieing piece of liberal shit.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ran/index.html

[Sly]

Originally Posted by he-fox

interesting how this story evolves, it looks like the british soldiers "admitted" illegal entrance on the iranian territorial waters

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...ors/index.html

I think they will be released

Do you really believe they outright willingly confessed?

I'm just asking. I'm really not sure myself. It seems pretty odd.

If the US captured say 15 members of the Taliban and within hours they ALL confessed... I'm thinking people would either presume torture or a forged confession.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Splum

Yeah and if the Iranians said it, it must be true. You fucking terrorist sympathizers never cease to amaze me.

Your blind devotion to a government thats fucked up so bad never ceases to amaze me.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by tony404

We are stretched very very thin, a ground war would be a problem.

A draft could solve that problem really quickly.
You sound so confident in the nation that protects you. How the fuck do you sleep at night knowing you are a traitor.

[he-fox]

Originally Posted by Sly

Do you really believe they outright willingly confessed?

I'm just asking. I'm really not sure myself. It seems pretty odd.

If the US captured say 15 members of the Taliban and within hours they ALL confessed... I'm thinking people would either presume torture or a forged confession.

dude, you're a smart guy, didn't you see the "..." ?

[psili]

Originally Posted by Splum / Slum / Dipshit

.....

It's been unfortunate to see your threads and your shit for a few years pollute this board.

What the fuck are you trying to prove to people on this board with your continual rant of shit? That you can cut, copy and paste bullshit?

Think for yourself, you dipshit.

I attest I know nothing. And by that, I know more than you.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Splum

IRAN FUNDS TERRORISTS plain and simple you lieing piece of liberal shit.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ran/index.html

Go join the army and fight,oh wait the right talks a good game then draft dodges. I forgot. Name calling thats all you got, like most right sheep.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by tony404

Go join the army and fight,oh wait the right talks a good game then draft dodges. I forgot. Name calling thats all you got, like most right sheep.

Ive said repeatedly I have served and will most likely serve again. See unlike you it doesnt bother me to serve my country. I hope you are FORCED to one day.

[Rochard]

And here it comes:

Iranian student groups called yesterday for the 15 detainees to be held until US forces released five Revolutionary Guards captured in Iraq earlier this year.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Splum

A draft could solve that problem really quickly.
You sound so confident in the nation that protects you. How the fuck do you sleep at night knowing you are a traitor.

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Teddy Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149
May 7, 1918

I guess he was a traitor too sheep.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by tony404

Actually your wrong on the funding that's saudi's who are untouchable for some reason.Iran funds the people on the other side of the civil war not the ones killing americans.

Iran funds Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Badr Brigade. The Badr Brigade and other related factions have been attacking the Brits in Southern Iraq.

The Saudi's fund the minority Sunni Iraqi people, some are insurgents, yes. They also are helping out and are trying to create a more peaceful Middle East, while Iran is not. Both have oil. So what's the big difference? One is helping, one is not.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by psili

It's been unfortunate to see your threads and your shit for a few years pollute this board. What the fuck are you trying to prove to people on this board with your continual rant of shit? That you can cut, copy and paste bullshit? Think for yourself, you dipshit. I attest I know nothing. And by that, I know more than you.

How is your rant even relevant to this conversation? I suppose you AGREE with Iran dont you?

[he-fox]

Originally Posted by Splum

Yeah and if the Iranians said it, it must be true. You fucking terrorist sympathizers never cease to amaze me.

you fucking blind moron, look for the "..." signs I typed. You didn't make it at the school to the 5th grade, to learn what it means, did you?

me and the terrorist sympathizers, .

Psycho. Go shoot yourself.

[Digipimp]

Originally Posted by Sly

Iran funds Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Badr Brigade. The Badr Brigade and other related factions have been attacking the Brits in Southern Iraq.

The Saudi's fund the minority Sunni Iraqi people, some are insurgents, yes. They also are helping out and are trying to create a more peaceful Middle East, while Iran is not. Both have oil. So what's the big difference? One is helping, one is not.

wow are you fucking kidding me. the saudis are the biggest contributors to terrorism in the entire world. indirectly making the US the biggest contributor. so we've got a war on terror at the same time we're indirectly funding it.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by Splum

Its stupid period, Iran could never win a war against any western nation PERIOD.

they couldn't win....but nobody would win because it would never end....see israel for example...

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Splum

Ive said repeatedly I have served and will most likely serve again. See unlike you it doesnt bother me to serve my country. I hope you are FORCED to one day.

I doubt you served because if you really did.You would be really pissed how this admin has repeatly fucked over your brothers and sisters in the military. Words are cheap. Also where is bin laden? He killed 3000 on my fellow americans and he is still free. Doesnt that piss you off sheep?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by tony404

Go join the army and fight,oh wait the right talks a good game then draft dodges. I forgot. Name calling thats all you got, like most right sheep.

You criticize someone for name calling and then you throw out the infamous "sheep"?

[Splum]

Originally Posted by tony404

Teddy Roosevelt

What does Teddy have to do with Iranians taking British soldiers hostage and you AGREEING with the Iranians? You are a sicko.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

they couldn't win....but nobody would win because it would never end....see israel for example...

We are in a much better position than Israel except for our moral stance on combat. We SHOULD be more ruthless.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Sly

Iran funds Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Badr Brigade. The Badr Brigade and other related factions have been attacking the Brits in Southern Iraq.

The Saudi's fund the minority Sunni Iraqi people, some are insurgents, yes. They also are helping out and are trying to create a more peaceful Middle East, while Iran is not. Both have oil. So what's the big difference? One is helping, one is not.

17 of 19 were saudi things that make you hmmmm. They are largest funders in the world and nothing is done.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Digipimp

wow are you fucking kidding me. the saudis are the biggest contributors to terrorism in the entire world. indirectly making the US the biggest contributor. so we've got a war on terror at the same time we're indirectly funding it.

Where did I say Saudi was innocent in anything? We were comparing the Iranians and the Saudis regarding Iraq.

[Digipimp]

the war on terrorism is like the war on drugs. we're feeding both sides of the war, one directly and one indirectly, thats why neither of them will be won or end.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Splum

What does Teddy have to do with Iranians taking British soldiers hostage and you AGREEING with the Iranians? You are a sicko.

I dont agree , I think and I read more than the propaganda to see why they are taking the actions they are. Thats not supporting it but I can see how your boy W got us in this fucking mess. What Teddy said was to not question your government is treason and unpatriotic ,that was for all the fox sheep like yourself.

[BusterBunny]

Originally Posted by Splum

We are in a much better position than Israel except for our moral stance on combat. We SHOULD be more ruthless.

wouldn't matter how harsh we were...it would never end unless you tracked down every iranian in the world and killed them all..even then you will only create more enemies that will continue their "struggle"..ruthlessness is the cause of the present shit anyways....the crusades were as ruthles as you can get on the kill everyone tip.....and this is why they are all fighting still....never ending story

[tony286]

By the way off topic Valerie Plame who they outed because her hubby didnt agree with them which showed to be true. Her job was tracking WMD's around the world.She was our spy and they outed her and in doing that put others in danger. Isnt that treason? This is a true patriot who devoted her life to her country.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by BusterBunny

wouldn't matter how harsh we were...it would never end unless you tracked down every iranian in the world and killed them all..even then you will only create more enemies that will continue their "struggle"..ruthlessness is the cause of the present shit anyways....the crusades were as ruthles as you can get on the kill everyone tip.....and this is why they are all fighting still....never ending story

What kind of logic is this? Dont you think people thought the same about the Japanese and the Germans? So lets just stop fighting and they will stop? Lol come on you know thats impossible. That is such a silly argument.

[Sly]

Seriously you guys shouldn't argue so much with Splum, haha, he's just stirring shit. But taking the information and having actual discussions is good though.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by tony404

By the way off topic Valerie Plame who they outed because her hubby didnt agree with them which showed to be true. Her job was tracking WMD's around the world.She was our spy and they outed her and in doing that put others in danger. Isnt that treason? This is a true patriot who devoted her life to her country.

Dude you need to get a fucking grip, we are talking about IRAN here. Go protest the the capitol building or something. Better yet watch the video in my sig and see what happens to people like you.

[Digipimp]

Originally Posted by Splum

What kind of logic is this? Dont you think people thought the same about the Japanese and the Germans? So lets just stop fighting and they will stop? Lol come on you know thats impossible. That is such a silly argument.

neither of them were fighting for a religious reason

[psili]

Originally Posted by Splum

How is your rant even relevant to this conversation? I suppose you AGREE with Iran dont you?

After some thought, you provide this board with some polarized threads about situations which nobody has control over.... Good for you.

I'll end my say with two posts - the former, and this one, the latter.

[Sly]

Since this thread is on path to hit another 10 different subjects... let's jump ahead with global warming.

It sure would be nice in December.