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madawgz · 04-01-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vvq

raise your kids not to be sheep. who cares if they study the bible in school? it is a fascinating piece of literature.

great way of thinking

Twisted Dave · 04-01-2007, 12:58 PM

I guess all religions should be taught to a basic degree. Not only can children then make thier own minds up, but they can understand different religions etc meaning understanding different cultures and ways of life etc.

Splum · 04-01-2007, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Melody

You want YOUR kids taught the bible? Fine -- send them to a Christian school. Public schools should teach reading, writing and arithmetic.

You mean basic things like evolution and science too?
You do realize those are "theories" and there is a ton of faith put into both.

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Originally Posted by Melody

To sneak the bible in the back door in a "literature" context is, imho, disingenuous. I'd feel the same way about the Koran, or Dawkins' views of atheism, or anything else not grounded in function and fact.

The bible is an IMPORTANT historical book just as the Koran and other texts. Its funny you should mention atheism because thats exactly what they teach in schools. So your kids are already being "back doored" with your blessings.

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Originally Posted by Melody

When Christians allow Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, gay people, and everyone else (including porn webmasters) to have their own groups in school without constantly trying to bully them into submission, then I have no problem with school-based Christian groups. Until such time, if there has to be one religion, it must be a secular one.

Again with the attack against christians, you are a biggot I can see why you are so full of idiotic viewpoints. Tolerance is something religions teach, obviously you have never learned it.

wizhard · 04-01-2007, 04:07 PM

Do you mind if I interject here ?*

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To defend the use of the bible in classrooms with some poll saying 90% of Americans believe in "god" is ludicrous. That was my point. Christianity is a comparatively tiny, new religion -- notions of "god" pre-exist Christianity by thousands of years.

Are you eluding to monetheism here ?

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The bible is a piece of Christian religious literature. It's not about "god", it's about the Christian religion's peculiar notions of "god".

Very well put.

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You want YOUR kids taught the bible? Fine -- send them to a Christian school. Public schools should teach reading, writing and arithmetic. To sneak the bible in the back door in a "literature" context is, imho, disingenuous. I'd feel the same way about the Koran, or Dawkins' views of atheism, or anything else not grounded in function and fact.

Again very well put.

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When Christians allow Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, gay people, and everyone else (including porn webmasters) to have their own groups in school without constantly trying to bully them into submission, then I have no problem with school-based Christian groups. Until such time, if there has to be one religion, it must be a secular one.

Only the truth will set us free - the secular world is mainly just an extention of the religious one.

vvq · 04-01-2007, 04:28 PM

religion has a huge influence in world politics, wars, business, etc. but you don't wanna educate your children about them? that's just as bad as those people that send their children to those christain brainwashing camps. i feel bad for anyone that grows up not understanding religions and their role in many peoples lives. you can sit here and be an ignorant fuck saying they cause nothing but problems and have never done any good for you, but every person here today has been influenced by them. we are where we're at today because of them. our current laws, politics, and personal belief systems have been molded by them.

no one with an open mind should be shunning the study of religions.

Porn Farmer · 04-01-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

You want your kids to be confused and ignorant of religion which will affect their world every day? To not teach them the basics about what religion means and how it affect their lives is handicapping their ability to cope with religious influence.

You keep failing to give any specifics. Why don't you tell us how religion would be studied. What sort of class are you talking about and what religious texts would be looked at? How would the material be covered? Would you present all religious texts (i.e. the bible and the koran) as equally valid?

Give us some specifics Splum.

reverend's daughter · 04-01-2007, 05:26 PM

should evolution be taught in church? leave the bible where it belongs.

wizhard · 04-01-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by reverend's daughter

should evolution be taught in church? leave the bible where it belongs.

and where exactly is that I wonder ?

reverend's daughter · 04-01-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wizhard

and where exactly is that I wonder ?

ah, good, got somebody's attention.

actually, I think it's amusing (and sad) that people seem to think evolution and religion are mutually exclusive. why couldn't god have created the earth the way scientists say it began, and let evolution take over from there?

Linkster · 04-01-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wizhard

Only the truth will set us free - the secular world is mainly just an extention of the religious one.

All it takes to be set free is to lose your fear

wizhard · 04-01-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by reverend's daughter

ah, good, got somebody's attention.

actually, I think it's amusing (and sad) that people seem to think evolution and religion are mutually exclusive. why couldn't god have created the earth the way scientists say it began, and let evolution take over from there?

Ah, so quickly round to god but nevermind. ....." God created the earth the way scientists say it began" ........Which scientists & which theories feed your statement I wonder..........

reverend's daughter · 04-01-2007, 05:58 PM

The bible is an IMPORTANT historical book just as the Koran and other texts. Its funny you should mention atheism because thats exactly what they teach in schools. So your kids are already being "back doored" with your blessings.

though we never had a teacher say" there is no god" or "there IS a god",
we did have one teacher who had us read Ishmael, by Daniel Quinn, which raised the interesting thought that every creation story, such as Genesis, is just that: a story. That led to quite the spirited debate, as I recall. Most kids in my class were Christian and quite offended by it. I never really felt atheism was being taught in that class though. our teacher encouraged us to have our own viewpoints, share them, and respect those of others.

my sister declared she was an atheist one day in grade school and almost got kicked out for causing a disruption. she only declared it because someone else said anyone who didn't believe in god was stupid. (this was during a class discussion.)

reverend's daughter · 04-01-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wizhard

Ah, so quickly round to god but nevermind. ....." God created the earth the way scientists say it began" ........Which scientists & which theories feed your statement I wonder..........

what difference does it make which scientists & which theories? pick one. let's say the universe began with the "big bang". who's to say god didn't orchaestrate the big bang?

by the way, I do not believe in "God". I believe in the interconnectedness of all beings and all energies. There may or may not be a "higher power" of some sort holding it all together.

reverend's daughter · 04-01-2007, 06:14 PM

Sorry Splum, I erased the quote box in #112. that first paragraph's yours. nobody ever accused me of being computer-savvy.

IllTestYourGirls · 04-01-2007, 06:24 PM

how about if schools started teaching satanism?

Splum · 04-01-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

how about if schools started teaching satanism?

We arent talking about teaching how to practice satanism but the history and beliefs of satanists.

Splum · 04-01-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer

You keep failing to give any specifics. Why don't you tell us how religion would be studied. What sort of class are you talking about and what religious texts would be looked at? How would the material be covered? Would you present all religious texts (i.e. the bible and the koran) as equally valid? Give us some specifics Splum.

When you say "valid" what do you mean by that? I would encourage all major religions to be studied to some extent but not how to "worship" those religions. I think people get that confused when I say teach it in schools.

IllTestYourGirls · 04-01-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

We arent talking about teaching how to practice satanism but the history and beliefs of satanists.

to teach the bible teaches how to live like a jew and xtian

Splum · 04-01-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

to teach the bible teaches how to live like a jew and xtian

Thats like saying to teach the works of shakespeare is teaching how to practice infidelity. Look this thread is for intelligent people dimwit.

wizhard · 04-01-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by reverend's daughter

what difference does it make which scientists & which theories? pick one. let's say the universe began with the "big bang". who's to say god didn't orchaestrate the big bang?

by the way, I do not believe in "God". I believe in the interconnectedness of all beings and all energies. There may or may not be a "higher power" of some sort holding it all together.

Then if you do not belive in god isn't your first statement somewhat superfluous & contradictory to your second statement ?

dready · 04-01-2007, 06:58 PM

Interesting. This week, Time's cover story is an essay arguing in favor of teaching the Bible in schools, which can be boiled down to this: "Of course the Bible should be taught in schools. Duh. It's religion that shouldn't be." On the cover of its international edition is a story that is less easily boiled down: "The Truth About Talibanistan," about the resurgence of the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan (and also, Pakistan), and how it's "the next battleground of the war on terrorism." The story is in the U.S. edition of the magazine but not on the American cover, presumably because Rick Stengel & co. think the Bible will do better newsstand (even though it is a singularly unattractive cover).

This episode echoes a similar decision made by the Newsweek brass in October when the international editions all ran a cover called "Losing Afghanistan: The Rise of Jihadistan " about the resurgence of the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan (and also, Pakistan),
and how it's a place from which "Al Qaeda or other terrorist groups [can] hatch the next 9/11." The American cover? An exclusive cover shot and story on Annie Leibovitz entitled "My Life In Pictures" (which was also controversial for whitewashing her life as a lesbian); presumably Jon Meacham & co. thought it would do better on the newsstand.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/0...o_n_44220.html

BlackCrayon · 04-01-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Splum

The subject of the thread is should religion be taught in K12 not a debate about the virtues and pitfalls of religion.

While I respect your analysis of religion itself, religion is more prevalent in this world than many subject K12 students are taught. To learn to comprehend and have basic knowledge of religion is an important skill every young person needs.

The pitfalls of religion are the reason it should not be tought. Like i said before, if there was objectivity and questioning it would be a different case but that is the huge problem with religion. It doesn't promote debunking theories or looking beyond what is already established. Those things are viewed as blasphomous.

A basic knowledge of religion is fine but its the abuse of power that is my main concern. You get the teacher who is a hardcore *whatever* and of course his teachings are going to be biased.

Also, you keep pointing out that 90% of people are religious, ect. So what? At one time most people were racist too but thankfully that is one thing we've tried to end and as much good there might of been in religion man has totally perverted it and used it for his own gain. The only kind of spirituality i could ever promote is that of personal spirtuality because of this.

BlackCrayon · 04-01-2007, 07:17 PM

Also i should mention that there are some universities who offer theology courses and do a good job at staying fairly objective but you get church officials in there "teaching" or devout *insert religion here* and its no longer about expanding minds as it is a propaganda session.

fuzzylogic · 04-01-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

Also i should mention that there are some universities who offer theology courses and do a good job at staying fairly objective but you get church officials in there "teaching" or devout *insert religion here* and its no longer about expanding minds as it is a propaganda session.

thats what i fear. what happens when a devout religious person teaches a course on the history of the bible in a public school?

rabbit · 04-02-2007, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Splum

Thread title "TIME Mag Cover: Should the Bible be Taught in Public Schools?"
My answer is yes, but not because I condone one religion over another and want to spread a gospel but religion has an incredible influence(good and bad) on this planet. So I would appreciate it if YOU stop spreading YOUR gospel in a thread that isnt trying to spread any gospel. Your comment is as pathetic as a christian defending the bible in this thread.

if you bothered to read his book, you?d know that he?s FOR teaching it in schools, alongside greek mythology, and other religious pieces of literature. What he is against is teaching it as a religion, or using it in pseudo-science, such as intelligent design for example

Tom_PM · 04-02-2007, 06:32 AM

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Should the Bible be Taught in Public Schools?

There are subjects it falls into already, called theology and literature.
All holy texts should be covered. Why not? School is not church and vice versa.

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dready Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 5,247	Interesting. This week, Time's cover story is an essay arguing in favor of teaching the Bible in schools, which can be boiled down to this: "Of course the Bible should be taught in schools. Duh. It's religion that shouldn't be." On the cover of its international edition is a story that is less easily boiled down: "The Truth About Talibanistan," about the resurgence of the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan (and also, Pakistan), and how it's "the next battleground of the war on terrorism." The story is in the U.S. edition of the magazine but not on the American cover, presumably because Rick Stengel & co. think the Bible will do better newsstand (even though it is a singularly unattractive cover). This episode echoes a similar decision made by the Newsweek brass in October when the international editions all ran a cover called "Losing Afghanistan: The Rise of Jihadistan " about the resurgence of the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan (and also, Pakistan), and how it's a place from which "Al Qaeda or other terrorist groups [can] hatch the next 9/11." The American cover? An exclusive cover shot and story on Annie Leibovitz entitled "My Life In Pictures" (which was also controversial for whitewashing her life as a lesbian); presumably Jon Meacham & co. thought it would do better on the newsstand. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/0...o_n_44220.html __________________ ICQ: 91139591

04-01-2007, 05:26 PM	#107
reverend's daughter Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 14	should evolution be taught in church? leave the bible where it belongs.

04-01-2007, 05:58 PM	#112
reverend's daughter Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 14	The bible is an IMPORTANT historical book just as the Koran and other texts. Its funny you should mention atheism because thats exactly what they teach in schools. So your kids are already being "back doored" with your blessings. though we never had a teacher say" there is no god" or "there IS a god", we did have one teacher who had us read Ishmael, by Daniel Quinn, which raised the interesting thought that every creation story, such as Genesis, is just that: a story. That led to quite the spirited debate, as I recall. Most kids in my class were Christian and quite offended by it. I never really felt atheism was being taught in that class though. our teacher encouraged us to have our own viewpoints, share them, and respect those of others. my sister declared she was an atheist one day in grade school and almost got kicked out for causing a disruption. she only declared it because someone else said anyone who didn't believe in god was stupid. (this was during a class discussion.)

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BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	Also i should mention that there are some universities who offer theology courses and do a good job at staying fairly objective but you get church officials in there "teaching" or devout insert religion here and its no longer about expanding minds as it is a propaganda session. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..