What happened to hustler rewards? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

BusterBunny · 04-09-2007, 02:57 PM

50 reward points

Jace · 04-09-2007, 03:02 PM

this thread rocks

04-09-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

this thread rocks

you love it

Jace · 04-09-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by esnem

you love it

yes...yes sir I do

Tenfoot · 04-09-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by esnem

And I absolutely said this and stand by it completely:

Looks like we're square

You and I are not square. I'll be more then happy to signup and promote Vivid the day they fire you.

Your actions and words throughout this thread should say all people need to know about your character.

Jace · 04-09-2007, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenfoot

You and I are not square. I'll be more then happy to signup and promote Vivid the day they fire you.

Your actions and words throughout this thread should say all people need to know about your character.

you need to step back and realize the web would be a better place without 99% of the affiliates that are promoting programs right now

and just to clarify, I am an affiliate and have no vested interested in either company in question here, I just know for a fact that most affiliates are fucking idiots these days and are more trouble than they are worth

04-09-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenfoot

You and I are not square. I'll be more then happy to signup and promote Vivid the day they fire you.

Your actions and words throughout this thread should say all people need to know about your character.

There's an awesome idea! Fire the person in charge so some idiot on GFY will sign up and promote the program

Seriously, I don't want your business. You've shown your character as well. You are a whiny bitch and I'm glad that nobody from my company has to deal with you and have you waste their time. Get over the fact that I don't need you as an affiliate. I am done replying to your weak responses. It was fun pissing over the weekend

jmk · 04-09-2007, 04:39 PM

AGP Albert · 04-09-2007, 04:41 PM

I have read this entire thread.

In my experiences at Silvercash and we had removed our rewards program so we can aim those resources and costs to provide different priority webmaster benefits (stated by our webmasters in a questionaire) and ultimately lead to increased payout options (Ex: Our current promo of $50 PPS on our HD Sites)

In the transition, we had webmasters who did not recieve notice and we posted this change on different communication platforms to ensure we avoided problems like this. I can only assume that a company like hustler did their due dilligence in communicating this and this entire thread is a miscommunication.

More importantly, the competition for webmasters is hyper competitive, thus NOT communicating this change would certainly have an adverse effect and not be in their best interest of Hustler.

The main point is that, every credible program makes themselves accessible and I am confident one phone call would of resolved this issue rather the poor public relations on a flaming thread. I have offered 3 different phone numbers, emails and ICQ....and the webmasters who use GFY as their support channel for the means of communications will likely get poor service because of the unprofessional mannerisms this board breeds. Empathy is an artform.

IMO, you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

PS: I think it is important for webmasters to read my post but I hate the fact this thread is getting bumped again. Sorry JMK.

Tenfoot · 04-09-2007, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

you need to step back and realize the web would be a better place without 99% of the affiliates that are promoting programs right now

and just to clarify, I am an affiliate and have no vested interested in either company in question here, I just know for a fact that most affiliates are fucking idiots these days and are more trouble than they are worth

So in your opinion, if an affiliate program advertises that they have a rewards program and you login, and theres no rewards program to found. Thats ok huh?

Then if the affiliate emails sponsor, more then once, and the emails go unanswered, thats ok too eh?

I do however, agree that the affiliate program model, in the long term, is a money train that you better jump on while you got the chance. The amount of free content being handed out to people who don't even have proven traffic resources, is completely irresponsible. Who's fault is that?

Tenfoot · 04-09-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jmk

Very nice attitude you have there. You think this thread is a complete joke.

Very, very professional.

Tenfoot · 04-09-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Silvercash Albert

I have read this entire thread.

In my experiences at Silvercash and we had removed our rewards program so we can aim those resources and costs to provide different priority webmaster benefits (stated by our webmasters in a questionaire) and ultimately lead to increased payout options (Ex: Our current promo of $50 PPS on our HD Sites)

In the transition, we had webmasters who did not recieve notice and we posted this change on different communication platforms to ensure we avoided problems like this. I can only assume that a company like hustler did their due dilligence in communicating this and this entire thread is a miscommunication.

More importantly, the competition for webmasters is hyper competitive, thus NOT communicating this change would certainly have an adverse effect and not be in their best interest of Hustler.

The main point is that, every credible program makes themselves accessible and I am confident one phone call would of resolved this issue rather the poor public relations on a flaming thread. I have offered 3 different phone numbers, emails and ICQ....and the webmasters who use GFY as their support channel for the means of communications will likely get poor service because of the unprofessional mannerisms this board breeds. Empathy is an artform.

IMO, you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

PS: I think it is important for webmasters to read my post but I hate the fact this thread is getting bumped again. Sorry JMK.

This is not a flaming thread, nor was it intended to be.

I emailed twice, no answer.

I did not post here expecting an answer from Hustler. I did not say Hustler sucked. In fact, right off the bat, someone stepped in to say they sucked, and I made it clear, thats not why I started the thread.
th
Apparently, I have indeed touched a nerve, and it's all about attacking me now, and no one seems to care that emails went unanswered. Or that Hustler is advertising they have a rewards program that isn't there.

This thread has turned into a extremely, vicious attack thread against me, who asked a simple, non flaming question, directed to anyone who might have the answer.

jmk · 04-09-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenfoot

Very nice attitude you have there. You think this thread is a complete joke.

Very, very professional.

It truly is entertaining.
I think I addressed all the issues, what else can I help you with? (except relaunching the rewards store of course)

jmk · 04-09-2007, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silvercash Albert

I have read this entire thread.

In my experiences at Silvercash and we had removed our rewards program so we can aim those resources and costs to provide different priority webmaster benefits (stated by our webmasters in a questionaire) and ultimately lead to increased payout options (Ex: Our current promo of $50 PPS on our HD Sites)

In the transition, we had webmasters who did not recieve notice and we posted this change on different communication platforms to ensure we avoided problems like this. I can only assume that a company like hustler did their due dilligence in communicating this and this entire thread is a miscommunication.

More importantly, the competition for webmasters is hyper competitive, thus NOT communicating this change would certainly have an adverse effect and not be in their best interest of Hustler.

The main point is that, every credible program makes themselves accessible and I am confident one phone call would of resolved this issue rather the poor public relations on a flaming thread. I have offered 3 different phone numbers, emails and ICQ....and the webmasters who use GFY as their support channel for the means of communications will likely get poor service because of the unprofessional mannerisms this board breeds. Empathy is an artform.

IMO, you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

PS: I think it is important for webmasters to read my post but I hate the fact this thread is getting bumped again. Sorry JMK.

No worries Albert

I totally agree, that's why I have a phone number, ICQ and email in my sig.
A lot of people also have my cell phone and heck some can come to my house

Tenfoot · 04-09-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jmk

It truly is entertaining.
I think I addressed all the issues, what else can I help you with? (except relaunching the rewards store of course)

How about stop acting like you went out of your way, and did all you could, to help out your affiliate. Stop treating the thread like it has entertainment value, and its all a big joke.

I sent emails, they went unanswered.

At some point in time, in this thread, I got my answer. I was fine with that. I didn't like the hoops I had to jump through to get it, and I made that fact known. That right there touched some nerves didn't it?

This only reason this thread continues, is because some people, who obviously don't give a shit about their affiliates, chose to attack me, and continue to bump it. If they want to continue the attacks, Ill continue to respond to them. Not a problem.

As I said before, I've always enjoyed my Hustler checks. Hustler has been a great sponsor, I just wanted to know if anyone else knew what was going on since I didn't a response.

That did not deserve the types of responses I got from you, or the rest of the so called "industry" professionals, that decided to come in to try and discredit and provoke me.

BusterBunny · 04-09-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jmk

(except relaunching the rewards store of course)

fucker i just got 50 points to use

jmk · 04-09-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenfoot

How about stop acting like you went out of your way, and did all you could, to help out your affiliate. Stop treating the thread like it has entertainment value, and its all a big joke.

I sent emails, they went unanswered.

At some point in time, in this thread, I got my answer. I was fine with that. I didn't like the hoops I had to jump through to get it, and I made that fact known. That right there touched some nerves didn't it?

This only reason this thread continues, is because some people, who obviously don't give a shit about their affiliates, chose to attack me, and continue to bump it. If they want to continue the attacks, Ill continue to respond to them. Not a problem.

As I said before, I've always enjoyed my Hustler checks. Hustler has been a great sponsor, I just wanted to know if anyone else knew what was going on since I didn't a response.

That did not deserve the types of responses I got from you, or the rest of the so called "industry" professionals, that decided to come in to try and discredit and provoke me.

Let's clear this up. I am NOT acting in any fashion. You are imposing your views on my "actions" which are only words on a message board.

This thread turned into nonsense and you know that. It's ok to have fun sometimes

I don't take business personal. So no you did NOT touch any nerves (as far as I am concerned).
Sorry that your emails went unanswered. We'll try better. We got WAY too many emails about that subject, so my guess is that's why. And it was not a high priority for us, as I prefer to improve other things that yield more money to everyone. But like I said I bumped up the relaunch of the store and it will be announced in our newsletter as soon as it's ready.

Glad you like HustlerCash!

04-09-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenfoot

This is not a flaming thread, nor was it intended to be.

Apparently, I have indeed touched a nerve, and it's all about attacking me now, and no one seems to care that emails went unanswered. Or that Hustler is advertising they have a rewards program that isn't there.

This thread has turned into a extremely, vicious attack thread against me, who asked a simple, non flaming question, directed to anyone who might have the answer.

I have to agree with you here...

I don't think you started a malicious thread, but you started talking shit about affiliate programs in general and I called bullshit. I think you were shocked at my reply because often times what you see on this board are reps going around and kissing everyone's ass for traffic (p1mpdogg excluded). I'm not in a position where I have to kiss your ass. I can say whatever I want to you and I think that shocked you because I run a program. That being said, you took it extremely personal and made the assumption that I am disrespectful to webmasters in general, which is totally not the case, especially when I am one.

I think that if you stepped back and realized that you are on a message board that has smilies of other smilies blowing each other

you'd understand that people don't always have to be 'professional' on a message board named 'Go Fuck Yourself'.

Also don't be surprised if everyone in the porn industry doesn't want or need to be your friend. As far as I'm concerned, we're square.

jmk · 04-09-2007, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenfoot

How about stop acting like you went out of your way, and did all you could, to help out your affiliate. Stop treating the thread like it has entertainment value, and its all a big joke.

I sent emails, they went unanswered.

At some point in time, in this thread, I got my answer. I was fine with that. I didn't like the hoops I had to jump through to get it, and I made that fact known. That right there touched some nerves didn't it?

This only reason this thread continues, is because some people, who obviously don't give a shit about their affiliates, chose to attack me, and continue to bump it. If they want to continue the attacks, Ill continue to respond to them. Not a problem.

As I said before, I've always enjoyed my Hustler checks. Hustler has been a great sponsor, I just wanted to know if anyone else knew what was going on since I didn't a response.

That did not deserve the types of responses I got from you, or the rest of the so called "industry" professionals, that decided to come in to try and discredit and provoke me.

And last but not least. I did NOT attack you. I answered your question by replying to one of baddogs posts. Then you attacked me for something that is between him and me. If you re-read you will see that.

jmk · 04-09-2007, 06:41 PM

Let's all hug

Tenfoot · 04-09-2007, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esnem

I have to agree with you here...

I don't think you started a malicious thread, but you started talking shit about affiliate programs in general and I called bullshit. I think you were shocked at my reply because often times what you see on this board are reps going around and kissing everyone's ass for traffic (p1mpdogg excluded). I'm not in a position where I have to kiss your ass. I can say whatever I want to you and I think that shocked you because I run a program. That being said, you took it extremely personal and made the assumption that I am disrespectful to webmasters in general, which is totally not the case, especially when I am one.

I think that if you stepped back and realized that you are on a message board that has smilies of other smilies blowing each other

you'd understand that people don't always have to be 'professional' on a message board named 'Go Fuck Yourself'.

Also don't be surprised if everyone in the porn industry doesn't want or need to be your friend. As far as I'm concerned, we're square.

I'm not shocked at anything on this board. The industry is full of cockroaches like yourself. Just because you work for a name like Vivid, don't make you the shit. People like you come and go.

Also, as far your bad attitude being confined to this board, your full of shit.

I personally watched you belittle a guy at internext in Vegas, and he didn't even say anything to you.

Your boss better keep a leash on you when he sends his money to a tradeshow to drum up new biz.

Tenfoot · 04-09-2007, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmk

And last but not least. I did NOT attack you. I answered your question by replying to one of baddogs posts. Then you attacked me for something that is between him and me. If you re-read you will see that.

I never said anywhere in that response that you attacked me. Thank you.

jmk · 04-09-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenfoot

I never said anywhere in that response that you attacked me. Thank you.

ok. cool.

ry0t · 04-09-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by D_Unit

C'mon now...It's not really fair to state that our support sucks when trying to contact us on ICQ - which isn't a reliable means of communication anyway.

As you well know, we've been at the Phoenix forum since Wed., getting in some face-to-face meetings with as many of our webmasters as possible.

Any issues you might have, please just pick up the phone and give us a call - we'll be happy to answer any questions you might have.

ICQ is reliable why dont you get your head out of your ass.

jmk · 04-09-2007, 08:14 PM

Oh and if you want please email me your affiliate ID, thanks

jmk · 04-09-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ry0t

ICQ is reliable why dont you get your head out of your ass.

Please now.

Tenfoot · 04-09-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ry0t

ICQ is reliable why dont you get your head out of your ass.

Icq is not always reliable, but oh well.

ry0t · 04-09-2007, 08:25 PM

Icq is reliable if you add the person. You can save message history. Its mostly when the person on the other end doesnt want to respond to you. Then they make up an excuse.

jmk · 04-09-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ry0t

Icq is reliable if you add the person. You can save message history. Its mostly when the person on the other end doesnt want to respond to you. Then they make up an excuse.

Ok........

Jace · 04-09-2007, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenfoot

I'm not shocked at anything on this board. The industry is full of cockroaches like yourself. Just because you work for a name like Vivid, don't make you the shit. People like you come and go.

Also, as far your bad attitude being confined to this board, your full of shit.

I personally watched you belittle a guy at internext in Vegas, and he didn't even say anything to you.

Your boss better keep a leash on you when he sends his money to a tradeshow to drum up new biz.

ROFL...god man, do you even know Mike or his history?

ry0t · 04-09-2007, 08:39 PM

I will put it this way... since you have a support telephone number these people shouldnt be fucking whining anyways. They could always call and get someone right away.

Tenfoot · 04-09-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

ROFL...god man, do you even know Mike or his history?

don't assume I'm some pimple faced kid sitting in his parent's basement.

Tenfoot · 04-09-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

ROFL...god man, do you even know Mike or his history?

By the way, I'm assuming you mean his business history, and No, I do not.
Nor do I care. Why? Who's dick did he suck to get his job?

Brad Mitchell · 04-09-2007, 08:54 PM

I think the problem here is that virtually everyone posting in this thread, with the exception of Tenfoot, has bonded at conferences day in and day out over and over again for several years. It's quite easy to get stuck in the box with the ease of face to face communications even though most of the time we spend throughout the year is at our desk - because the personal interaction really sticks with you.

To be honest it's sometimes a bit difficult to come home and back to the boards after you've been the company emissary for 3-6 days, up 22 hours every day and jet-lagged on top of it when you return home to a shit pile of work waiting for you. What exactly am I saying?

Well, I think to a certain extent just about everybody posting in this thread is quite a bit right. When you don't know someone you don't quite know how to frame what they're saying or how they're saying it when they are posting on a message board. Jean-Marie, Derek, Mike from Vivid, Michael from SexEntertain, Albert - these are some of the more brilliant in our bunch and believe it or not, some of the hardest working, most humble and frankly genuine people available to meet in our business.

So, perhaps it's an 'off' thread or a bad day for one or more individuals - perhaps they are sometimes challenged with reading how someone is questioning them in a public forum. Right, wrong or indifferent we all have our challenges and serious responsibility to ourselves, employers, suppliers and clients.

Not being the guy to bullshit anyone myself, if I had never been to a tradeshow and met all of you guys I would probably have framed the thread like Why or Tenfoot. But I do know your personalities and it does add dimension to your posts. Understanding this from every conceivable angle, I still think the best approach through all mediums of communication (ICQ, email, boards, phone) is to slow down and break this shit down to the lowest common denominator in the most respectful way possible.

The one thing I constantly remind myself on the boards is that even though I am often responding directly to one party or person, I am always writing for the benefit of the masses of people who don't even register or post here. For every one total fucking idiot on this board there are at least ten more right behind him - but right behind those ten are ten people that just read and take it all in. Those are the ones that we are here posting for, they're often the 'qualified' clients of sorts, the ones working their business for the sake of business and not for a popularity contest.

I don't know if there are winners and losers in this thread but it does seem that a group hug is in order. How about I buy your ticket to August tradeshow, Tenfoot, so that all of us can discuss this over drinks?

Cheers,

Brad

04-09-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenfoot

Also, as far your bad attitude being confined to this board, your full of shit.

I personally watched you belittle a guy at internext in Vegas, and he didn't even say anything to you.

Unless his name was Derek Smout, who is seriously one of my favorite people of all time, I have not a clue what you are talking about. Do I know you?

Brad Mitchell · 04-09-2007, 09:34 PM

God dammit, did I kill another thread? OK, time to go to sleep now. Ciao

04-09-2007, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenfoot

By the way, I'm assuming you mean his business history, and No, I do not.
Nor do I care. Why? Who's dick did he suck to get his job?

Find someone who I have ever fucked over in this industry. I guarantee you that you will not. If you want to talk shit, go nuts, but don't even think you can begin to question my integrity in this business.

Jace · 04-09-2007, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenfoot

don't assume I'm some pimple faced kid sitting in his parent's basement.

you said it, not me

I never assume that, ever

04-09-2007, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenfoot

don't assume I'm some pimple faced kid sitting in his parent's basement.

See tenfoot, the thing you don't get is this: nobody gives a shit who you are

Jace · 04-09-2007, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenfoot

By the way, I'm assuming you mean his business history, and No, I do not.
Nor do I care. Why? Who's dick did he suck to get his job?

he sucked mine once, but stopped halfway through when he realized I didn't have anything to offer him

Just Mike · 04-09-2007, 11:38 PM

Why are you calling him names tenfoot? seems very "UNPROFESSIONAL" to me.

Hahaha

04-10-2007, 01:51 AM

Hey Mike, check out these 'professional' posts by Tenfoot

Here is tenfoot's thoughts on women...
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...0#post12210750

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenfoot

Women want and need to be controlled. They say they don't, but thats a fucking lie. Its programmed into us to want to control women, and its programmed into them to want to be controlled. If any woman is with a man, and he doesn't have control, then she is dreaming of a man that has the nutsack to be able to do it.

Stop ladies, unless your a lesbian, please don't argue with something that any psychologist will tell you is fact.

There he is giving out tips on how to get high...
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...0#post12210610

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Originally Posted by Tenfoot

Banana peels you get higher then fuck.

Apparently he likes to do business over games of mini putt.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...3#post12209053

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenfoot

GOLF SUCKS..

but i kickass at putt putt

Here he can be found generalizing negatively about affiliate programs again.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...4#post12200364

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenfoot

It is funny how you don't see many programs responding with....

we have our shit in order.... we will give cleansed documentation to proven traffic affiliates.

And finally, here he is sticking up for hostage takers in Iran.
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...1#post12210121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenfoot

propoganda comes out both ends

Wow Tenfoot, you really are a web professional.

I like your latest thread where you talk shit on Perfect Gonzo and write 'DO THEY PAY?' in the thread title. That's super classy

As I was the first to suggest, let's never do business together.

Just Mike · 04-10-2007, 12:32 PM

haha thats funny

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04-09-2007, 04:41 PM	#59
AGP Albert Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 720	I have read this entire thread. In my experiences at Silvercash and we had removed our rewards program so we can aim those resources and costs to provide different priority webmaster benefits (stated by our webmasters in a questionaire) and ultimately lead to increased payout options (Ex: Our current promo of $50 PPS on our HD Sites) In the transition, we had webmasters who did not recieve notice and we posted this change on different communication platforms to ensure we avoided problems like this. I can only assume that a company like hustler did their due dilligence in communicating this and this entire thread is a miscommunication. More importantly, the competition for webmasters is hyper competitive, thus NOT communicating this change would certainly have an adverse effect and not be in their best interest of Hustler. The main point is that, every credible program makes themselves accessible and I am confident one phone call would of resolved this issue rather the poor public relations on a flaming thread. I have offered 3 different phone numbers, emails and ICQ....and the webmasters who use GFY as their support channel for the means of communications will likely get poor service because of the unprofessional mannerisms this board breeds. Empathy is an artform. IMO, you don't bite the hand that feeds you. PS: I think it is important for webmasters to read my post but I hate the fact this thread is getting bumped again. Sorry JMK. __________________ AGP ALBERT ALTOGLOBALPROCESSING.COM Email: [email protected] Office: 305.532.8701 Fax: 305.532.8702 ICQ: 585003252 Skype:Albert.AGP BB PIN: 31CBA558 www.AltoGlobalProcessing.com [email protected] See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com! See My Ambush Interview! Last edited by AGP Albert; 04-09-2007 at 04:44 PM..

04-09-2007, 08:54 PM	#84
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	I think the problem here is that virtually everyone posting in this thread, with the exception of Tenfoot, has bonded at conferences day in and day out over and over again for several years. It's quite easy to get stuck in the box with the ease of face to face communications even though most of the time we spend throughout the year is at our desk - because the personal interaction really sticks with you. To be honest it's sometimes a bit difficult to come home and back to the boards after you've been the company emissary for 3-6 days, up 22 hours every day and jet-lagged on top of it when you return home to a shit pile of work waiting for you. What exactly am I saying? Well, I think to a certain extent just about everybody posting in this thread is quite a bit right. When you don't know someone you don't quite know how to frame what they're saying or how they're saying it when they are posting on a message board. Jean-Marie, Derek, Mike from Vivid, Michael from SexEntertain, Albert - these are some of the more brilliant in our bunch and believe it or not, some of the hardest working, most humble and frankly genuine people available to meet in our business. So, perhaps it's an 'off' thread or a bad day for one or more individuals - perhaps they are sometimes challenged with reading how someone is questioning them in a public forum. Right, wrong or indifferent we all have our challenges and serious responsibility to ourselves, employers, suppliers and clients. Not being the guy to bullshit anyone myself, if I had never been to a tradeshow and met all of you guys I would probably have framed the thread like Why or Tenfoot. But I do know your personalities and it does add dimension to your posts. Understanding this from every conceivable angle, I still think the best approach through all mediums of communication (ICQ, email, boards, phone) is to slow down and break this shit down to the lowest common denominator in the most respectful way possible. The one thing I constantly remind myself on the boards is that even though I am often responding directly to one party or person, I am always writing for the benefit of the masses of people who don't even register or post here. For every one total fucking idiot on this board there are at least ten more right behind him - but right behind those ten are ten people that just read and take it all in. Those are the ones that we are here posting for, they're often the 'qualified' clients of sorts, the ones working their business for the sake of business and not for a popularity contest. I don't know if there are winners and losers in this thread but it does seem that a group hug is in order. How about I buy your ticket to August tradeshow, Tenfoot, so that all of us can discuss this over drinks? Cheers, Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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04-09-2007, 06:41 PM	#70
jmk Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,391	Let's all hug

04-09-2007, 08:14 PM	#75
jmk Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,391	Oh and if you want please email me your affiliate ID, thanks

04-09-2007, 08:25 PM	#78
ry0t So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 4,160	Icq is reliable if you add the person. You can save message history. Its mostly when the person on the other end doesnt want to respond to you. Then they make up an excuse.

04-09-2007, 08:39 PM	#81
ry0t So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 4,160	I will put it this way... since you have a support telephone number these people shouldnt be fucking whining anyways. They could always call and get someone right away.

04-10-2007, 12:32 PM	#93
Just Mike Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In a land FAR FAR away Posts: 3,726	haha thats funny __________________ EMAIL: [email protected] / ICQ: 56205262 AWEMPIRE