Barefootsies

Mainstream supposed 'experts' seem to be overly concerned with Web 2.0.

I hear it over, and over and over..

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Actually that sounds a lot like adult - once a week or so we get a "sky is falling" thread going down.

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Barefootsies

That's true. A lot of chicken little's out there in adult.

But when I listen to some of these "guru's" for mainstream, they are mentioning web 2.0 over and again like it's around the corner. Don't get me wrong. I know it's something on the radar, but my God..

Another thing I find humorous is how they (not all, but many) look down on adult and say it's, "easy".

Oh,.. and let's not even get to the mainstream message board Nazi's.

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What's Web 2.0?

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That is my greatest obstacle. I have been banned by so many mainstream boards within hours of joining, even when I go out of my way to be nice.

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Barefootsies

I hear you.

I was on D.P. and was asking about mobile. Being new it was ignored, and dropped like a stone. I bumped the thread, and was warned a week after bumping it I was in the wrong.

LOL

If it's against the rules, so be it. Just overly anal. I can't recall a board like that, but whatever.


Web 2.0 mainly has to do with the infrastructure by the servers, but more importantly XHTML, and getting everyone on properly coded HTML so shit shows up correctly on mobile devices.

People tend to refer to "web 2.0" by one, or the other, or both.

Regardless, you are talking about YEARS if ever getting everyone on HTML 3.0 or XHTML over time. Mainly those who need to cater to mobile will be those who adapt.

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She has the face for radio..

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I got banned at one board for mentioning "breeders" and "the gays."

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they dont know shit. i am already working on deployment of web 3.0.

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Barefootsies

Yep. If people think the rules here are bad, they should go try and get some help on mainstream boards. If you last a week with some of the GFY tactics, I'd be surprised.

A lot of anal retentives who love to preach to the masses.

I find that funny as well. The competition in adult makes or breaks you.

Those in mainstream who have a fucking clue ackowledge that the internet as a marketplace was developed via the adult business, and pushing technology, and application in the early years.

But plenty talk about how the weak go to adult where it's "so easy" by comparison.

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baddog

I go out of my way to be out of character on mainstream boards, and even want to purchase advertising, but they all have 50 moderators and all little Hitlers.

Don't even dare to question someone . . . or if you make a comment that is anti-Clinton or Obama forget it.

Barefootsies

I typically stay away from religon, and politics. Especially when I am dealing with money, and looking for the 'gems' you occasionally find on boards. But the mini Hitler's run a tight regime in the ultimate of 'good ole boy' networks.

People like ShoeMoney are considered god, and there are a handful of others that are like Moses. Almost everyone else, especially anyone from adult, is looked down on.

But to listen to (some) of these web wizards talk you would think they are all Al Gore Jr.

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GatorB

Stuff like web 2.0 and IPv6 and BPL and other great supposed technological leaps were suppose to already be here now making our internet lives better. They aren't they won't be for years so I'm not worried about any potential "problems" they may cause.

Barefootsies

Exactly.

There was a ton of money given to the telco's back in the Clinton years that was supposed to expand the internet into rural areas, and increase the speeds to those you see in Japan, and other countries.

Well good old American corporate greed in it's finest... the telco's took the money, and never delivered.

Then have the NERVE to talk about the tiers system now on the net nuetrality and blah blah.

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Barefootsies

Oh, and if you want to sound like a pure mainstream genius, work in these words..

Metrics, analytics, and monetize.

Endless number of times in your replies.

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The Other Steve

I got 'interviewed' on a well-known mainstream blog last year. It was surprising to see a few well-known mainstream people came out and say that they had got their start in either adult or warez.

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not the brightest people around here, is there?

Barefootsies

Yeah, there are some who admit it openly, and are proud of it.

Then you have others who hide it because the 'almighty' look down on it because adult is 'easy'...

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fuck are you a dumbass. if you can't figure out why you wouldn't want the world to know you're in the porn biz you deserve to be poor.

The Other Steve

The other thing that surprised me was the number of people over there who feel that we still have a lot to teach them about marketing.

In some ways we do but in other ways mainstream has gone ahead of us in when it comes to marketing techniques.

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Barefootsies

You are making a lot of ASSumption's here chief...

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Barefootsies

I agree.

The porn biz may have revolutionized the web as a new technology, but mainstream is moving it in the next step "monetizing" it every inch of the way.

There is little left out on a site that doesn't have a dollar or cent associated to it.

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BlackCrayon

i prefer the idea of an extention for mobile devices more than web 2.0. no matter how properly coded the html is, content and graphic rich sites will never look good on phones. in my opinion on the only way to provide a site that you can actually use on a phone is by having a seperate site altogether for it.

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BlackCrayon

hell, you don't even need to go as far as another extention even, just need some code to detect a mobile browser and redirect to the mobile version of the site.

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I pay for the verizon web crap and never use it... If I need to do something on the web I use my freakin Vaio and find the nearest hotspot. IMHO mobile tech has not even come close to being usable for what the telcos try to push on consumers.

Regarding the adult biz... I truely believe the internet is what it is today largely due to the adult industry, And this is coming from a mainstream webmaster! After almost a 10 year layoff... I'm getting back into the adult game.

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Circus_Penis

pardon my ignorance but I always heard Web 2.0 in reference to dynamic sites that rely on user submitted material for site content. ie ytmnd, youtube, etc..

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umm, adult is easy LOL

like taking candy from babies!

BlackCrayon

The average person doesn't carry around a laptop with them typically. I think mobile internet is an eventuality, its just a matter of time because its really useable. The only thing i use it for is to look up phone numbers and addresses on 411 but i think that will change as mobile phones evolve. maybe 5 years or so down the road.

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Barefootsies

I agree wholeheartedly there.

But the main discussion point is that html is sloppy (as you can see with some pages and how they show up in Opera, Fixfox/Mozilla, versus I.E.). Where XHTML is supposed to correct that with formal coding which can be functional on wireless, and handhelds.

Of course.. in theory.

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Barefootsies

That would be the easy work around for sure.

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Barefootsies

I'm the same way. There is little that is CRITICAL I must do from my phone.

Agreed. However mainstream has caught up, and in some ways passed adult on innovation, and to monetizing the web, or nickel and dimeing it. But the fact remains that adult is, and what has, pushed a lot of technology over the years.

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Barefootsies

It tends to 'vary' based on who you talk to. Programmers, website owners, marketing people.

Like you, I've heard of it referred to in all of those ways... from the backbone, to the end of html in version 4.0, and development of XHTML. All I am sure important, but I think it's a lot of 'dream' talk.

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BlackCrayon

I remember in 2002-03 even people were talking about XHTML like it was right around the corner. I'm not sure how it would be enforced but yeah, it would be a benefit to have sites show up the same in all browers. Though, like you said, in theory.

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Barefootsies

I agree with you. It's a good 3-5 years down the line. A lot of mainstream webby's seem obcessed with it from the way they are talking.

Dont' get me wrong here. I can see why being prepared for the next thing is important, but my point simply was there is a lot of talk about that, and seems less on the "content is king" value.

Also a lot of talk on the white, and black hat stuff. As well a lot of 'name dropping' of who they know over at Google.

These are just my observations as I dip a TOE in the mainstream stuff. It's a lot different than a lot of the adult boards.

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Barefootsies

It really couldn't be. Other than you self motivate if you want to be able to cater to that market.

In essence, the marketplace would force your compliance to remain competitive.

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I haven't been on here very long and only here for business, but why isn't this racist piece of shit banned? If one was to substitute other races/ethnicities in his sig statement, wouldn't everyone be up in arms already?

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Barefootsies

True.

Plenty of hypocrite's around.

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A lot of the mods/admins on some of my sites get god complexes. It's pretty hilarious.

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