Who here has rented office space because of 2257? - GoFuckYourself.com

Worried · 04-04-2007, 07:32 PM

I'm referring to webmasters who submit galleries or free sites or run thumb sites who have opted to rent an office because they didn't want to use their home address as a custodian of records.

How much are you paying for your office space?
And which software are you using to correlate all your u-r-l's and docs? Mavis, Zei2257??

tony286 · 04-04-2007, 07:33 PM

I wish you could register with the fbi as a custodian of record and then your addy doesnt have to be posted anywhere.if that existed I wouldnt have a office.

stickyfingerz · 04-04-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Worried

I'm referring to webmasters who submit galleries or free sites or run thumb sites who have opted to rent an office because they didn't want to use their home address as a custodian of records.

How much are you paying for your office space?
And which software are you using to correlate all your u-r-l's and docs? Mavis, Zei2257??

Bloomer? lol

Worried · 04-04-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Bloomer? lol

I'm not Bloomer.

I am curious how much others are paying for their ofc space.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 04-04-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I wish you could register with the fbi as a custodian of record and then your addy doesnt have to be posted anywhere.if that existed I wouldnt have a office.

I had a similar thought. Have the talent register with the government, then the government can certify the ID, since the average club bouncer could probably spot a fake ID better than most video producers/webmasters.

Going to the question asked in the thread, I operate pay sites, and in order to avoid listing my home address, I lease office space - the cost is $1,000 per month, plus utilities (approx. $200/mth). 2257 is the main reason I have office space - since I don't shoot there, I really don't need the space for anything else, although I appreciate the change of scenery, and I am more productive working outside of my house.

At least it's a tax write-off...

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Worried · 04-04-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I had a similar thought. Have the talent register with the government, then the government can certify the ID, since the average club bouncer could probably spot a fake ID better than most video producers/webmasters.

Going to the question asked in the thread, I operate pay sites, and in order to avoid listing my home address, I lease office space - the cost is $1,000 per month, plus utilities (approx. $200/mth). 2257 is the main reason I have office space - since I don't shoot there, I really don't need the space for anything else, although I appreciate the change of scenery, and I am more productive working outside of my house.

At least it's a tax write-off...

ADG Webmaster

Thanks for the answer, that was very helpful and in-depth.

I am thinking it's good for a tax write off, I don't have enough expenses as it is.

Worried · 04-04-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I had a similar thought. Have the talent register with the government, then the government can certify the ID, since the average club bouncer could probably spot a fake ID better than most video producers/webmasters.

Going to the question asked in the thread, I operate pay sites, and in order to avoid listing my home address, I lease office space - the cost is $1,000 per month, plus utilities (approx. $200/mth). 2257 is the main reason I have office space - since I don't shoot there, I really don't need the space for anything else, although I appreciate the change of scenery, and I am more productive working outside of my house.

At least it's a tax write-off...

ADG Webmaster

Thanks for the answer, that was very helpful and in-depth.

I am thinking it's good for a tax write off, I don't have enough expenses as it is.

Are you incorporated btw AsianDivaGirls, S-Corp, or how do you have yours set up?
Do you have to be incorporated and have an EIN in order to get office space?

jakethedog · 04-04-2007, 07:52 PM

I just have my lawyer deal with it .. cost me about an extra $150 a month but he stores my tapes and other paper work as well so it's really a decent way to go .. i think most lawyers would be down with the idea of a few extra $$ just for a box in the closet ..plus they can't raid a lawyers office with out some pretty serious charges .. so your shit is very very safe

sortie · 04-04-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I had a similar thought. Have the talent register with the government

Yeah, so everyone who, on a whim, does a porno now will have a government file of it forever.

Good luck finding new talent for $500.

The gov reg fee would probably be $200 and take six weeks if it ever happened.

Part of the beauty of doing a "on time" porn vid now is that only the producers really knows your true identity.

tony286 · 04-04-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I had a similar thought. Have the talent register with the government, then the government can certify the ID, since the average club bouncer could probably spot a fake ID better than most video producers/webmasters.

Going to the question asked in the thread, I operate pay sites, and in order to avoid listing my home address, I lease office space - the cost is $1,000 per month, plus utilities (approx. $200/mth). 2257 is the main reason I have office space - since I don't shoot there, I really don't need the space for anything else, although I appreciate the change of scenery, and I am more productive working outside of my house.

At least it's a tax write-off...

ADG Webmaster

Same here I shoot in hotels the office is only because of 2257. Im thinking of grading to a bigger one like a loft so it can be a studio also maybe rent it out to local photogs cheap.

Worried · 04-04-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jakethedog

I just have my lawyer deal with it .. cost me about an extra $150 a month but he stores my tapes and other paper work as well so it's really a decent way to go .. i think most lawyers would be down with the idea of a few extra $$ just for a box in the closet ..plus they can't raid a lawyers office with out some pretty serious charges .. so your shit is very very safe

I thought the laws states that the custodian of records address has to be an address where you actually work at. I don't think it's as easy as paying a lawyer just $150 a month to do it...

RawAlex · 04-04-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I wish you could register with the fbi as a custodian of record and then your addy doesnt have to be posted anywhere.if that existed I wouldnt have a office.

Part of the point of 2257 is to "expose those nasty porn people" and try to keep us from hiding. The concept is to out as many mom & pop webmasters as possible, and make it difficult if not impossible for amateurs to run their own websites.

The public nature of this exercise is specifically to make people consider leaving the business. What they cannot legislate out of existance they will attempt to paperwork over and make the legal conditions of operation as onerous and as hurtful as possible.

koreancowboy · 04-04-2007, 08:00 PM

Is this in regards to webmasters that produce/purchase their own content, or those in general?

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 04-04-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Worried

Thanks for the answer, that was very helpful and in-depth.

I am thinking it's good for a tax write off, I don't have enough expenses as it is.

Are you incorporated btw AsianDivaGirls, S-Corp, or how do you have yours set up?
Do you have to be incorporated and have an EIN in order to get office space?

I should incorporate, but as I have no employees, I still operate my adult biz as a sole proprieter. You can get an EIN even without incorporating, as long as you have employees (I've owned other small businesses that did this). Otherwise, you just use your SSN.

I told my building owner what I do, and I could demonstrate income through my ccBill pay reports, commercial bank account, etc.

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gleem · 04-04-2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jakethedog

I just have my lawyer deal with it .. cost me about an extra $150 a month but he stores my tapes and other paper work as well so it's really a decent way to go .. i think most lawyers would be down with the idea of a few extra $$ just for a box in the closet ..plus they can't raid a lawyers office with out some pretty serious charges .. so your shit is very very safe

hmm, my lawyer said I can't use a lawyer for 2257 custodian? you 100% sure that's kosher?

Worried · 04-04-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I should incorporate, but as I have no employees, I still operate my adult biz as a sole proprieter. You can get an EIN even without incorporating, as long as you have employees (I've owned other small businesses that did this). Otherwise, you just use your SSN.

I told my building owner what I do, and I could demonstrate income through my ccBill pay reports, commercial bank account, etc.

ADG Webmaster

Thanks, I never knew you had to have employees in order to get an EIN, I thought just any self-employed person could get that...

Do you know if it's ok to open a corporate bank account with a SSN instead of an EIN? I don't have any employees.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 04-04-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jakethedog

I just have my lawyer deal with it .. cost me about an extra $150 a month but he stores my tapes and other paper work as well so it's really a decent way to go .. i think most lawyers would be down with the idea of a few extra $$ just for a box in the closet ..plus they can't raid a lawyers office with out some pretty serious charges .. so your shit is very very safe

I like your lawyers hours:

2257 Hours:

Saturday/Sunday: 12:01 a.m. - 7:01 a.m.
Monday 12:01 a.m. - 6:01 a.m.

Bela Fucking Lugosi, esq.

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Martin3 · 04-04-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jakethedog

I just have my lawyer deal with it .. cost me about an extra $150 a month but he stores my tapes and other paper work as well so it's really a decent way to go .. i think most lawyers would be down with the idea of a few extra $$ just for a box in the closet ..plus they can't raid a lawyers office with out some pretty serious charges .. so your shit is very very safe

You should get to different lawyer. He either doesn't know the law or is just ripping you off.
Records have to be kept at your place of business. Of course being in Canada you don't really have to worry much about the FBI showing up at your door step.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 04-04-2007, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Worried

Thanks, I never knew you had to have employees in order to get an EIN, I thought just any self-employed person could get that...

Do you know if it's ok to open a corporate bank account with a SSN instead of an EIN? I don't have any employees.

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Employer ID Numbers (EIN) - Do You Need an EIN?

You will need an EIN if you answer "Yes" to any of the following questions.

Do you have employees?

Do you operate your business as a corporation or a partnership?

Do you file any of these tax returns: Employment, Excise, or Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms?

Do you withhold taxes on income, other than wages, paid to a non-resident alien?

Do you have a Keogh plan?

Are you involved with any of the following types of organizations?

Trusts, except certain grantor-owned revocable trusts, IRAs, Exempt Organization Business Income Tax Returns
Estates
Real estate mortgage investment conduits
Non-profit organizations
Farmers' cooperatives
Plan administrators

As to your other question, to get my business bank account, I think I had to provide my Business Licence, Ficticious Business statement and a tax return - I've operated my adult business for over seven years, so I don't recall exactly what hoops I had to jump through (your bank can tell you).

Oh yeah, and I needed proof of insurance ($1 million liability policy) for my lease too.

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Worried · 04-04-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

As to your other question, to get my business bank account, I think I had to provide my Business Licence, Ficticious Business statement and a tax return - I've operated my adult business for over seven years, so I don't recall exactly what hoops I had to jump through (your bank can tell you).

Oh yeah, and I needed proof of insurance ($1 million liability policy) for my lease too.

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Thanks for that. It helps.

stickyfingerz · 04-04-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Worried

Thanks, I never knew you had to have employees in order to get an EIN, I thought just any self-employed person could get that...

Do you know if it's ok to open a corporate bank account with a SSN instead of an EIN? I don't have any employees.

You dont have to have employes to get an EIN.... I have one, and no on the books employees. Technically you can 1099 your content models if they make over 600.00 per year and show them as sub contracted employees, but again not necessary to get an EIN by any means.

candyflip · 04-04-2007, 08:44 PM

I'm renting office space from my shop. I gave myself a good deal.

mattz · 04-04-2007, 08:46 PM

negative, although i dont think anyone that submits galleries has enough money to rent office space

stickyfingerz · 04-04-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

As to your other question, to get my business bank account, I think I had to provide my Business Licence, Ficticious Business statement and a tax return - I've operated my adult business for over seven years, so I don't recall exactly what hoops I had to jump through (your bank can tell you).

Oh yeah, and I needed proof of insurance ($1 million liability policy) for my lease too.

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You read that wrong. You need an EIN if you have ANY of those options, or if you just plain want one for your business. You dont have to obviously meet ALL of those requirements.

Grapesoda · 04-04-2007, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I wish you could register with the fbi as a custodian of record and then your addy doesnt have to be posted anywhere.if that existed I wouldnt have a office.

that would be fucking great . .

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 04-04-2007, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

You read that wrong. You need an EIN if you have ANY of those options, or if you just plain want one for your business. You dont have to obviously meet ALL of those requirements.

I'm not sure what you think it is that I read wrong.

The quote I cited (from the IRS web site), says, "any", not "all". I was providing that for the benefit of the person questioning me.

A sole proprietor can list their SSN as their Federal ID Number (TIN) on 1099 forms, etc.

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stickyfingerz · 04-04-2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I'm not sure what you think it is that I read wrong.

The quote I cited (from the IRS web site), says, "any", not "all". I was providing that for the benefit of the person questioning me.

A sole proprietor can list their SSN as their Federal ID Number (TIN) on 1099 forms, etc.

ADG Webmaster

Ok just by your other post I thought you were saying you had have employees to get one. My bad.

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I should incorporate, but as I have no employees, I still operate my adult biz as a sole proprieter. You can get an EIN even without incorporating, as long as you have employees (I've owned other small businesses that did this). Otherwise, you just use your SSN.

I told my building owner what I do, and I could demonstrate income through my ccBill pay reports, commercial bank account, etc.

ADG Webmaster

Worried · 04-04-2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mattz

negative, although i dont think anyone that submits galleries has enough money to rent office space

Ummm I do. Last year I made over six figures and I only submit galleries.

gleem · 04-04-2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Worried

Ummm I do. Last year I made over six figures and I only submit galleries.

would you submit some of mine:

www.revengebucks.com

I am chauncy · 04-04-2007, 10:11 PM

when I decided to get back into the adult biz first thing I did was get an office no matter what you do if you own you own company you should never put your personal assets at risk by using you home as you official office and to answer you second question my office 450 sq feet and i only pay 350 a month including everything but phone and internet

Grapesoda · 04-04-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by I am chauncy

when I decided to get back into the adult biz first thing I did was get an office no matter what you do if you own you own company you should never put your personal assets at risk by using you home as you official office and to answer you second question my office 450 sq feet and i only pay 350 a month including everything but phone and internet

yeah, I see that type of office space for rent all the time around here and hollywood . . .

Worried · 04-04-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by I am chauncy

when I decided to get back into the adult biz first thing I did was get an office no matter what you do if you own you own company you should never put your personal assets at risk by using you home as you official office and to answer you second question my office 450 sq feet and i only pay 350 a month including everything but phone and internet

It's not very likely for someone who just promotes affiliate programs to get sued though, right? In my situation it doesn't seem very likely.

Worried · 04-04-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gleem

would you submit some of mine:

I'll take a look at it

The "six figures" is actually from over 20 sponsor programs, with this secondary producer having to keep records thing, there's only 2 programs I will be able to promote right now to be honest, and that's because they give me documents so my income will take a big hit.

When worst comes to worst and I'll have to delete all the stuff I have out there my income will go down a lot but I'm sure I can rebuild it again, I am very resilient.

RawAlex · 04-04-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Worried

It's not very likely for someone who just promotes affiliate programs to get sued though, right? In my situation it doesn't seem very likely.

Actually, with the law opening up new people are "producers", I would actually expect larger adult webmasters to be very specifically on the target list. Doubly so if the DoJ wants to make an example out of people.

Take any large "thumb" tgp out there. Do you honestly think that they have records for every one of the models on their pages? Smaller, cropped, or whatever thumbs don't save your ass anymore, and cropping the thumbs to be softcore doesn't help either because the document is required when any part of the image is used, and even if other pictures or parts of the video are hardcore and that particular image is not (part of a collected work).

US based webmasters (those actually living in the US) are fully right to being laying in extra pairs of underware, because there is huge potential that every knock on your door or ringing of the doorbell will lead to crapped pants.

jakethedog · 04-04-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin3

You should get to different lawyer. He either doesn't know the law or is just ripping you off.
Records have to be kept at your place of business. Of course being in Canada you don't really have to worry much about the FBI showing up at your door step.

I am in Canada ... the only reason i even have to keep 2257 is for you guys .. and yes my lawyer is right .. amazingly right for that matter .. hell check out how we changed the law up here regarding obscenity in AVN mag.. http://www.avn.com/index_cache.php?P...ntent_ID=81636 .. i don't mess around ... but thanks ..

04-04-2007, 07:32 PM	#1
Worried Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 149	Who here has rented office space because of 2257? I'm referring to webmasters who submit galleries or free sites or run thumb sites who have opted to rent an office because they didn't want to use their home address as a custodian of records. How much are you paying for your office space? And which software are you using to correlate all your u-r-l's and docs? Mavis, Zei2257??

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jakethedog Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 2,497	I just have my lawyer deal with it .. cost me about an extra $150 a month but he stores my tapes and other paper work as well so it's really a decent way to go .. i think most lawyers would be down with the idea of a few extra $$ just for a box in the closet ..plus they can't raid a lawyers office with out some pretty serious charges .. so your shit is very very safe __________________ No sig .. just me

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candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,058	I'm renting office space from my shop. I gave myself a good deal. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

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I am chauncy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 568	when I decided to get back into the adult biz first thing I did was get an office no matter what you do if you own you own company you should never put your personal assets at risk by using you home as you official office and to answer you second question my office 450 sq feet and i only pay 350 a month including everything but phone and internet __________________ "Catch a man a fish, and you can sell it to him. Teach a man to fish, and you ruin a wonderful business opportunity." Karl Marx Affiliate Program Cash Beta v0.9

04-04-2007, 07:33 PM	#2
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I wish you could register with the fbi as a custodian of record and then your addy doesnt have to be posted anywhere.if that existed I wouldnt have a office.

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koreancowboy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 155	Is this in regards to webmasters that produce/purchase their own content, or those in general?

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mattz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: AZ Posts: 7,697	negative, although i dont think anyone that submits galleries has enough money to rent office space