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directfiesta

Shit... So the Britts are on it, because the three main characters of the movie have been released, and are now in England, free.

I suppose you saw the " fake propaganda " ...

So happens I did... It is playing on premium channels, well maybe not in the USA...

BTW, what is fake is WMD, liberation, war on terror, link to Al-Quaeda, 15 minutes drome, Nigeria yellow cake , ....

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It was the British and French who chopped up the Middle East following World War I. It wasn't their country then, its not their country now -- Iraq or Iran. We aren't bothered sticking people in a prison for years for things even we aren't sure about, Iran released these guys after a few weeks. Not that big of a deal.

Splum

Iraq gave the British permission to patrol their waters, Iran went into IRAQI waters and kidnapped British soldiers. I would say that is a HUGE deal, that would be like US soldiers going into Iranian waters and kidnapping Iranians there.
Thanks for playing terrorist appeaser, in the end you will lose.

Splum

You mean innocent British muslims like these guys?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_...gs#The_bombers

Webby

BTW DF - Nicely made movie by Channel4

Channel 4 have produced a substantial volume of good material over the years covering a wide range of subjects. Tho "Road to Gitmo" was not a documentary, but an account of the experiences of the lead participants and taken from other testimony - Channel 4 appear to concentrate on "actual" documentary content.

I know one guy who used to be based in their edit suites in Central London - that place was bugged by UK intell more often than we had breakfasts Some of the subject matter was "sensitive" to ongoing issues within government - and ended up in courts where the govt usually lost.

Other stuff may not be "senstive" but covers a range of issues which it is considered a good idea to highlight. One matter was the supplying of arms to the Jakarta regime. These were then used to kill off 1000's of innocent people. A couple of ladies (school teachers) bust into an air base in the UK and smashed the control panels of a number of aircraft which were due for delivery to Jakarta. They were subsequently charged with causing damage worth "zillions" etc and ended up in court.

Their defense council were approached by a couple of journalists and Channel 4 people who had hands-on experience of these killings and also documentary footage of several events.

The judge considered this filmed content be allowed to be introduced at their trial. When they jury saw what was actually being done with these aircraft - they were horrified and refused to find the defendants guilty of any offense.
The govt had their right of appeal - but sensibly declined to use that - there was little basis on which they could appeal the verdict and more likely to be condemned further.

Interesting where Channel 4 footage ends up *lol*


PS And na... ask any real journalist on international issues if his work ever gets published in the US - the answer is *very rarely*.

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Phil

Just like Jessica Lynch! I bet those boys will get medals.

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It is interesting from the discussion how much right wing myths are belived in the US that even the most right wing newspaper in europe dare not print for being laughed out of busines. Also the suppression of information common in the world but not in the states. The kidnapping transportation and torture by 3rd countyries under CIA supervision.

The use of torture by America is weel documented and has long history. America worked with and taught torture techniques to Latin American Juntas... Also supported terrorist groups the Contras and long history of terror against Cuba.

Most countries know well how America has overthrown popular govt as in Iran and installed their "friendly" Shah with his famous torture police. Would you like a country that did that to you?

Even in Britain the CIA funded political parties that were anti-communist. It poured money into Poland Bulgaria Chili Ukraine to get the election of parties pro west.

How would you feel in Russia was pouring money into the US to get a pro Russia party elected. (Illegal under American law I am told )

Lets remember that this Brits whether they were in Iranian waters or Iraqy one place they were not is in British waters, and that is the only place they had a right to be!

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rotowa85

look mate you can suck my big black dick you cunt, the difference between the brits and you cunts is that, we dont see violence as the first and only way to solve our problems, plus we dont have this crazy infatuation with guns as you guys do, but you know maybe thats why their is alot less crime in the uk than in america. i swear yanks just piss me off, your nothing but a bunch of arrogant ignorant cunts who think your the best at everything when the truth is that their is very little that you are actually any good at.

For fuck sakes you dont even have your own fucking language, whats up with that bitches

Angelo22

Hahaha, thats true
America is what it is now only because of the emigration of europeans

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Those were the same guys as the ones being held prisoner? Damn.

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Dont worry - there are still 65-70% of us in the US who think rationally and despise people that dont have the mental capacity to understand world politics like Bush and Splum - but unfortunately, they are the outspoken people that the newspapers and TV give a platform to given the medias' ties to AIPAC and PNAC.
Fortunately, these little people have a way of talking themselves out of the way over time - we just have to wait till they all go away returning sensibility and responsibility to the US way of life - hopefully it will happen before the idiots in power and their little uneducated supporters do something really stupid and destroy the entire global population

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DarkJedi

Did they make them get naked and form an ass pyramid like in Gitmo? Any electrodes on their testicles or nipples?

Why

being blindfolded and pushed against a wall when you are a captured enemy combatant isnt exactly torture. seperating female and male detaineeds is also perfectly normal. furthremore it is my understanding that the proper border between iraq and iran is not really agreed upon by both sides and set in stone, so where the brits and iraqis might call the border. the iranians might think its a few clicks this way or that. this is war people, when those people put on thier uniform every morning they knew this was a possibility, dont join the army if you cant hang. its simple.

Why

im pretty sure you mean abu ghariab. get the facts in order son.

Splum

Britian and Iran arent at war dumbshit. The line between MOST countries is pretty much disputed but Iran knew the boundary lines after they lost the Iraq-Iran war. Dont try and twist it with disinformation you dont know shit.

Splum

Self ownage at its finest, the english spelling is Abu Ghraib numnuts.

Splum

Thats why we kicked your ass first then saved you from the Germans. Your country continues to do our governments bidding like the pussy ass bitches you are. Serve your master you toothless bitch.

seven

So smart Do you eat a lot of chocolate?

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Angelo22

To end the discussion and prove Splum is wrong
let us ask him to pubblish an article in one of HIS websites, if he has any

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Interesting thread

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Suppose the spewage and underlying hate from an uneducated sicko US kid demonstrating his supreme knowledge on every topic, could be described as "interesting" from an observer angle

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GAMEFINEST

hahaha....he spices shiiiet up

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makes shiiet interesting..

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Cherry7

When American troups took Bagdad they did not protect the following ministries (in breach of the Geneva Covention )

Education, Planning, Irrigation, Trade, Foriegn Affairs, Industry,Culture and Information

They did send troops to protect

Ministry of Interior and Ministry of Oil....


Did not protect Iragi National Archaelogical Museum and priceless objects of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Sumerians etc distroyed.


2000 American troops sent to protect Kirmuk oilfields.

You do not need a great deal of inteligence the facts speak for themselves

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Cherry7

The Russians saved us from the Germans, they took on 80% of the German Army and beat it.

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Webby

Shhhh Cherry!

Pointing out "mistakes" is too sensitive a subject...

But.. you are probably a terrorist and an enemy of the state. Dammit - you must hate America

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Splum

The Russians simply threw bodies at the Germans while we liberated Europe, the only countries Russia liberated by itself were the Slavic countries and part of Germany.

Sami(a)Kingdollars

I don't have enemies.. where can you get some?

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Cherry is just a dumb dirty toothless Brit, you on the other are the terrorist appeaser and yes you do hate America.

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s9ann0

I think Iran realy did themselves damage. I for one hoped UK wouldn't get dragged into any US vs IRAN conflict like we did in Iraq. After what they did I think they lost any sympathy from UK. I don't think anyone wants a war but if US or Israel starts bombing Iran I don't think many people in UK will be protesting about it and I'm pretty sure our military would be ready to help.

Webby

Obviously you never met Cherry and falling back on your limited brain cell functions of imagining and assuming so much in your ignorance. No need to feel threatened and have perceived enemies Splum, - it's just the disturbed braincell playing games again - that will pass

Just wondered... have you had treatment or medication lately?

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dude, they were 1.7 miles from iranian waters, they claimed

thats nothing, there is no margin of error there, they were 1.7 miles away in a rubber boat, why were they so close? taunting them? just makes sense that the iranians were watching, the british were so close that they grazed iranian waters, and they grabbed them

just smells like a bs reason, could have more credibility if it was like 5-10-15 miles away

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seven

U fucking liberal fugitive! (u r obviously a terrorist or atleast a terrorist appeaser without a doubt since you don't agree with my well-respected highly intelligent man) u r nobody.. I mean u r liberal fugitive and terrorist/terrorist appeaser! Now leave the man's braincells alone cause he's da man:

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seven

So smart! Tell 'em dude that she's either with us or against us.. well, obviously against republicans who are the real Americans with brains. Fucking foreign liberals!

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JaneB

I have to disagree with that statement. There are far worse them him.

JaneB

I am part Cuban and I live in the US. The US does not do terrorist things to Cuba and if they did Fidel would deserve it. What he does to his own people is sickening. When a Cuban steps foot on US soil, the government allows them to stay here. America has been great in taking in Cubans, I don't see any other country that does that. So stop posting shit about the US terrorizing Cuba.

Webby

Na.. not just (wait for the cliche) .. a tree-hugging-liberal, but a full blown communist and we all know about them!! *lol* Definately an "enemy of the state" and on the "terrorist watch list" in the US as Splum "knows". Sheesh I just hate y'all and, true, I've been a fugitive from justice for over 40 years and admired my brother, Osama, all of that time


PS.. Was checking the other day... we used to get FoxNews are part of the TV channel packages, but noticed they have dumped it so can't really keep up with Spum's outlook on current affairs But was thinking of subscribing to AlJazeera for a more balanced outlook - where are ya Splum??

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Webby

Oddly Jane... other countries trade with Cuba. The have no problem "allowing" their citizens to visit that country either. The only country which as a problem with Cuba is the US.

That said, agree - there are fundamental obvious problems with the Castro regime which are not "agreeable" to many nations. But.. we can moan about almost any country - at least they don't run torture camps.

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Webby

BTW.. Interesting you may have originated from Cuba.... agree, it's not easy getting a Cuban national out of the country and secured elsewhere. Put some effort into doing just that (last year) for a ships captain - tho he was a captain and travelling around - he was "stuck" in Cuba, but managed to get visa paperwork for him elsewhere and he's now a happy boy

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Splum

They were inspecting a ship suspected of smuggling operations, doesnt matter the Iranians violated Iraqi waters to take hostages. How the fuck can you side with those fucking terrorists? Wait bad question its obvious you are a fucking pussy ass terrorist appeaser. Seriously go fuck yourself, and if you cant do it hard enough Ill do it for you.

Splum

Only for criminals or terrorists, but you know all about that dont you Webby.

seven

Here's why U.S. is great in taking in Cubans:

1492 Christopher Columbus lands in Cuba and claims the island for Spain. (Spain rules Cuba for the next 400 years.)
1868-78 Cuban revolutionaries fight Spanish rule in the Ten Years? War. Spain retains control but promises reforms.
1895 Cubans again revolt against Spanish rule, and a second war of independence begins.
1898 The U.S. joins Cuba in its war after the U.S. battleship Maine is blown up in Havana harbor. The U.S. and the Cuban rebels defeat Spain in the Spanish-American War (known in Cuba as the ?Spanish-Cuban American War?). Spain gives up all claims to Cuba.
1898-1902 A U.S. military government controls Cuba.
1901 Cuba adopts a constitution that includes a set of provisions called the Platt Amendment. The amendment allows the U.S. to intervene in Cuban affairs.
1902 Tomás Estrada Palma becomes the first president of the Republic of Cuba.
1903 Under a treaty with Cuba, the U.S. receives a permanent lease on Guantánamo Bay and begins to build a large naval base there.
1906 U.S. troops return to Cuba, and a government headed by American Charles E. Magoon rules Cuba until 1909.
1933 A revolutionary group led by Fulgencio Batista y Zaldívar (?Batista?) takes control of the government.
1934 The U.S. and Cuba sign a treaty that cancels the Platt Amendment. International investments in Cuba expand during the 1940s and 1950s.
1959 Fidel Castro?s forces overthrow Batista?s government, and Castro becomes the ruler of Cuba.
1961 Fidel Castro declares Cuba a Communist country. Cuban exiles sponsored by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs and are quickly defeated by Castro?s army.
1962 U.S. begins a trade embargo: It becomes illegal for U.S. citizens to conduct business with Cuba or travel there.
One of the most serious incidents of the Cold War, the Cuban missile crisis, occurs in October when the U.S. learns that the Soviet Union has secretly installed missiles in Cuba. The Soviet Union agrees to U.S. demands that it remove its missiles and dismantle the remaining missile bases.
1976 Cuba adopts a new constitution that establishes the Communist Party as the leading authority in the government and society.
1980 More than 125,000 Cubans move legally to the U.S. This event becomes known as the Mariel boat lift because the refugees leave from the Cuban port of Mariel.
1991 The Soviet Union and its Communist government are dissolved. Cuba loses its most important source of aid, and its economy suffers greatly.
1993 Cuba institutes economic reforms that allow some workers to start private businesses.
1994 After another large wave of immigration, Cuba and the U.S. reach an immigration agreement. The U.S. will admit at least 20,000 Cuban immigrants annually. In return, Cuba pledges to do more to prevent illegal departures.

Suggesting kill 'em if they try to leave Cuba.. lol nawh! But U.S. is not the only country just because you don't see any other country do that (prolly cos cubans would rather go to the Biggest Land Of Opportunity like any other wetbags than any other country) otherwise Cubans take refuge in MANY other countries as well but they desire most to come to U.S. since they know they'd be given legal immigrant status much more easily than any other country which is kind of an open invitation.

Said that, Fidel's obviously a nutbar but so are 100s other leaders around the globe.

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seven

Tell him dude like it is

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JaneB

WTF is a wetbag? You better not have meant wetback.

Webby

Criminals and terrorists? Moi? Sure.. fairly familiar with what criminals get up to - oddly, especially in the US - tho mainly drugs traders, upstanding members of the medical and other "professions" where their names keep cropping up for some coincidental reason in drugs related activity. A number are permanently locked up and a few others on death row for a few years now. What aspect did you have in mind??

Terrorists... well, that's another label to keep life simple and not fluster the braincell. Think your ancestors may have been terrorists? In more recent times there has been no problem funding and aiding those engaged in terror and even training in torture techniques to spread the sphere of terror. Ask some of the families of the victims about that.

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Splum

We are only terrorists to our enemies, are you an enemy?

Webby

Who is this "we" you talk about??

Can't say "you" are in any way representing anyone else than others equally mentally inhibited. Most people are actually sane

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seven

Don't mind Webby dude he's just a fucking pussy ass terrorist appeaser fugitive liberal

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