MikeSmoke

For the SECOND time in four months that I've bought content from "reputable" providers and been told that the 2257 docs come with the material ---- and lo and behold, after they have the money and I have the content, I'm told "we're still working on the docs" or "we're a broker and the shooters are supposedly getting us the docs."

HOW CAN YOU PUT CONTENT ON SALE WITHOUT THE DOCS, WHEN THE CONTENT IS USELESS WITHOUT DOCS AND YOU PROMISE THAT THE CONTENT COMES WITH DOCS???

To content providers: Would you be pissed if you bought a car and when you picked it up after paying for it, the VIN number had been scratched off, making the car illegal to use?

Geez.

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Sosa

more shady fucking business... who did you buy from so we can stay away?

VIPimp

Dont pay until you get everything... I now only pay for content/services after I receive everything, if they require money upfront then unfortunetly we wont be able to work together. I've wasted too much time hunting ppl down.

MikeSmoke

I'm waiting to see if they resolve this issue quickly before outing them, but if they don't, I will.

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Lykos

Buy from us,we dont have those problems
www.adultsexcontent.com and www.adulteurocontent.com

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MikeSmoke

Would love to do business with you, but i buy very specific niched stuff and you don't have what i need

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Webby

Any contract is already broken Mike. There is no "deal" on anything.

The seller either has what they offer for sale or not - obviously not in your case. Don't matter about "brokers" or the Fairy Godmother - that is all irrelevant.

To be reasonable... sounds like you have been in contact already and given them some time. It's probably the 72 hour notice time or confirmation a refund has been issued. To allow for failure and a satisfactory response, prepare now to sue for recovery of funds immediately after the due date and don't forget to consider any reasonable damages a judge would accept - think in terms of any work you have done with the content and where this needs to be redone. (It's a waste of time letting crap drag on and it will prob just be a total irritant - it's better to use the sledgehammer and resolve it and move on).

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Rexk

Amen....Ive been fucked too many times this way...if you dont have advanced working capital...then you are a garage producer...and we wont do business with you...we pay net 7 days...if that isnt good enough....oh well

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Sebastian Sands

Same here, can't find BBW content if my life depended on it. Besides what we shoot in house I would love to buy a bunch. All I get is crap. Or a girl that is just a tad plump, understand the niche your selling if you don't know what a BBW is then don't just throw any chick in a BBW category just to have something in that niche.

Sebs

Just_Dave

We always provide 2257 docs at http://www.xxxcontentdirect.com

MikeSmoke

Well, 40 minutes after my post, I got a phone call from one of the two companies in question - they recognized from my post that the issue needed to be resolved, and it has been.
I appreciate that and it confirmed my original belief that they are a stand-up company - although I still believe (and I told them this) that it is NOT right to post material for sale when "the producers promised that the docs are on their way."
As for the second one, we'll see what happens.
Thanks for your comments Webby - as usual, you speak the truth.
Rexk, I agree with you; but the problem with being a small niche company with very specific needs is that it's tough to find anyone with stuff that meets our needs and standards - and even though I pay IMMEDIATELY upon delivery of satisfactory material (and have for seven years now), larger companies with lots of business usually don't want to be bothered with doing things that way, and so I'm often forced to deal with garage producers, and have gotten burned several times that way as well.
Some days I wish I'd gone in the mainstream and not the niche direction ;-)

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RogerV

you wont have that problem with us. www.ContentPushers.com

MikeSmoke

I feel your pain

I've been searching for *years* for someone who wants regular, monthly work shooting semi-exclusive or exclusive video for me, and still can't find someone. We can't shoot everything we need in-house for a variety of reasons, and it's just amazing to me that there's no one who wants that kind of steady, regular work.

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MikeSmoke

RogerV: I believe that, but you don't have the niche that I need.

JustDave: you have an ICQ

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Webby

Well done Mike!!

Most folks are "straight" and problems can occur - it's just when they drag their feet it escalates into shitworld

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Star 69

Next time buy from us www.redsexystudio.com we have all 2257 docs for each scene, pic set or video!

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MikeSmoke

funny you should say that.

i bought custom video scenes from you, and one of the scenes was not up to par. almost three months ago you promised to reshoot a custom scene for me, and every time i ask you about it, i get put off - even though i've told you i'm ready to purchase more custom video once that reshoot is done.

It was January 23rd that you said you would reshoot the scene, and I'm still waiting - even though starting on February 15th I told you I wanted to buy more material as soon as the reshoot was done.

sometimes it seems that you're more interested in spamming GFY, than taking care of customers

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ThreeDeviants

When we shoot for people, we gather the appropriate docs at time of shoot and send the docs along with the tapes... but then again, my company practices good business and makes sure the clients needs are met as quickly as possible.

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JMM

All of our content at http://www.content-club.com comes with the 2257 docs in the zip file with the content.

As it should be.

AaronM

As have I. Which is exactly why all but two of my clients pay 100% up front when then want me to shoot for them.

The street runs both ways.

AaronM

LOL...Garage Producer huh?

OK

What about the endless supply of broke assholes who have approached me, FROM GFY, and asked me to produce 10's of thousands of dollars worth of exclusive/custom content and then want to pay like you?

Am I supposed to trust them, shoot the content, be out of pocket, and have no way of collecting?

I've been fucked so many time by people like you that it's not even remotely funny. These days I only shoot for people who I personally know and even most of them are invoiced prior to production. Until those invoices are paid, I don't even pick up the phone to schedule the shoots.

DISCLAIMER: I don;t believe I know Rexk and the above statement where I say "people like you" is in reference to those who refuse to pay up front. I'm in no way meaning to imply that Rexk himself would fuck me or anybody else over........

MikeSmoke

Exactly, Aaron.
And when you have a "smaller studio" and a "smaller purchaser" who don't know each other but are talking about doing business - you end up with a catch-22. Who pays upfront then?

I also look for very specific stuff - smoking fetish shot in a way that will appeal to a smoking fetish audience. I can't tell you how many "bigger producers" over the last 6 years have told me "that's not a problem at all" - and then I end up with a shoot that I've paid in advance for, that's basically mainstream porn with a girl just holding a cigarette, or just puffing and not inhaling - something that's useless to me and gets thrown in the trash. That makes it hard to just say to someone "OK, here's your $X,XXX" - do the shoot. I could take a *really* nice vacation with all the money I've tossed down the toilet for shoots like that

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AaronM

Second hand smoke kills. I wouldn't want to shoot it either and I have several ongoing clients that I shoot for on a weekly basis.

Sebastian, if you're interested...I may be able to assist you with your BBW needs.

ICQ 130823758

MikeSmoke

Actually, it doesn't - but I don't want to turn this into a political debate...there's a market for smoking fetish and I try to fill it. And I'm looking at this as a business thread, not an argument about smoking thread.

And I wouldn't want anyone not comfortable shooting the material, to shoot it.

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AaronM

In the situation you are describing.....I would say either don;t go with the smaller producer OR put everything in writing and met halfway as far as the finances are concerned.

Fetishes are difficult to shoot. Smoking or whatever the fetish may be, I don;t know a damn thing about bondage or S&M so anybody who hires me to shoot is is a retard. As such, I would decline the work whereas a lot of other producers will take what they can get.

My suggestion to your specific situation is simple:

Find a producer who communicates well with you. Fly to their place of business and work with them hand in hand for a couple of shoots. This way they can not only see the finished product but they also get to see EXACTLY how you want it produced. This will cost some money out of your pocket but at the end of the day, it's well worth it since you will be getting exactly what you expect/want/need.

AaronM

I'm not looking to argue about it either. I posted that more in a fucking around sort of way than anything else.

jonesy

AMEN

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AaronM

How's your garage content business going, my friend?

I'll be in your neck of the woods the first part of June. You should join us in Key West before that RedNeck thang.

MikeSmoke

Yep, done that...still chasing someone (who posts on this board) after I went halfway on the finances and never got anything delivered.

You're exactly right - fetishes are difficult to get right, but I still can't believe that there aren't some people (I'm not talking about the high-end folks who are booked for months in advance) who don't want to to learn in return for regular monthly work. And I've flown my in-house (albeit part-time) photog to several places for that very reason; one time it worked out well, but then the studio got so involved in their own stuff that they didn't have the time they though they would to shoot for me.

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jonesy

garage producer?

If your talking exclusive, there isnt a shooter out there whos worth a shit that would agree to those terms.

if your talking non exclusive maybe.

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jonesy

well between the tune ups, oil changes and tire balancing, thigs are good

let me know the details when your down

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JP-pornshooter

I have never had a problem getting paid by my clients..most pay within a few days of receiving the content. And i do have a couple pre-paying clients.
Just recently I shot for a new client in Canada who i have never done anything for before, so i am now a little anxious to see the payment coming in.
But we should not complain too much, in the magazine world, I often wait up to 6 months or longer to get paid...

jonesy

the magazine world is a whole lot different that the internet porn world.

a world of difference

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AaronM

Just goes to show that the world is not perfect. There is producer on this board that also owes me for shoots that I outsourced to them which in turn means I owe my client. Thankfully I have good relationships with my clients so things like this can be managed.

Back to your smoking niche....

When you decided to produce that niche, you probably did so knowing that it would be difficult to have others shoot it for you. Finding good ongoing content producers who give you what you want is probably just as difficult as people like me finding good ongoing clients.

The smaller content producers who may be interested in learning your niche are USUALLY not established enough to offer you a steady supply of content. I'd like to think that I'm somewhat established in this industry and from time to time, even I have dry spells with models....And I have the capital to actively recruit where a smaller/newer producer may not.

Finding good people to continuously do business with can be a real pain but it can pay off well if you have the patience to pursue it and your needs properly match their services. It's like finding a needle in a haystack at times.

MikeSmoke

No question about it.
I just didn't figure that the haystack was *quite* that large.

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MikeSmoke

And interesting that you showed up in this thread long enough to spam, but not long enough to see my reply.

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AaronM

WIRES

I've shot for a number of Canadian clients over the years and now I always require wires upfront. I'm not sure how long you have been shooting for Canadian clients or what your method of delivery is but I can tell you first hand that checks "get lost" often and Canadian Customs loves to hold packages.....In fact, I have had multiple packages simply vanish from within the clutches Canadian Customs.

As far as the magazine thing goes..... In my case, I will book a model for half a day and shoot one set for magazines and the other sets for my regular clients. By doing this, the shoot has already been profitable so I don't mind waiting as much for the payment for ONE set especially when that one set typically pays as much as all the other sets shot that day combined. Those sets can easily be resold to exclusive clients and or sold as non-exclusive so there is no risk in not making the investment back.

AaronM

Russian spammer. What else would you expect?

JP-pornshooter

Yes, i try to do same, and have several magazine clients, so same sets got out and usually some pay within a month so the shoot is paid, the next sale is gravy.. i have sold some sets up to 8 times for publishing..nice return.

Canada, yes i insisted on wire payment which is def preferred payment method. And i am aiming to build a relationship with this program owner so i guess i am taking a chance, but i have all originals in case the package is lost or he chooses not to pay me, which would deem it illegal for him to publish the content.. if i remember i will follow up on this thread when i get paid (i hope)..

MikeSmoke

Right, but given what we've talked about in this thread, sometimes they're the only ones who (for whatever reason) are willing or able to provide what I need.
Sad, but true.

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AaronM

I'm not sure who your client is but pursuing an international legal battle is no walk in the park either.

For what it's worth.....I've done business with a lot of Canadian clients over the years and there is only one that I ever had any sort of payment issues with.....and he happened to be the only Canadian client I ever put on a payment plan and/or sent content to without 100% payment first. I have definitely had more positive experiences with Canadian clients than an other nationality.

AaronM

I hear ya....Sucks to be you.

Seriouly though.....I can't think of anybody off hand to recommend to you or I would. Where are you located?

MikeSmoke

If you only knew

Thanks, I appreciate that.
I'm in San Diego - my part-time photog is in Ohio, and I've flown him out here and to the East Coast as well, to show people what we're looking for.

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AaronM

Have you tried Rob AKA "GetNaughty"?

ICQ: 303-738-440 - robert @ getnaughtycash.com

I've bumped heads with him on some issues in the past but I've also done a little business with him and IMHO, he's actually trying, unlike many others. I'm not sure if he is still producing content for others or not but if I were in your position, he's the kind of guy I would be talking to.

MikeSmoke

No, i haven't...but i will. thanks

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stickyfingerz

Boy did I learn that this month. Sitting waiting on payment and customer has all content and 2257 docs... Drama coming in 2 days if payment doesnt arrive. Will be 1 month since delivery on the 16th.

Going to start requiring escrow or something very soon.

MikeSmoke

just goes to show, there are dirtbags on both sides of the fence - and it drives the honest people on BOTH sides crazy

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SinisterStudios

I can vouch for mike, he pays ontime and is easy to deal with. Any content provider looking for a good quality, longterm client, should give his stuff a shot, it really isnt that hard to shoot.

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stickyfingerz

This thread helped me make a decision. Any content sent out via dvd or hard drive will be winrared and a big ass password on it till I receive payment. Payment comes, they get an email with the password releasing the content.

NaughtyRob

That sucks Mike. All of my stuff comes with docs with the download, you pay, you get the docs and the content immediately. If I didnt have the docs it wouldnt be for sale. Simple as that.

Also, I tried to shoot the smoking stuff and its damn tough. The girls have a hard time with it and its hard to get the lighting just right. I hope you find someone to do it.

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