tgp's are exempt from 2257 - GoFuckYourself.com

SmokeyTheBear · 04-12-2007, 09:01 AM

In short "directories" are exempt

A tgp is essentialy a directory, if not rename your site to free porn directory.

problem solved.

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pay close attention to the last part
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Exemptions from 2257 requirements: (from http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=h109-4472)

`(iv) the provision of a telecommunications service, or of an Internet access service or Internet information location tool (as those terms are defined in section 231 of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 231)); or

from 47 U.S.C. 231: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1----000-.html

(5) Internet information location tool
The term ?Internet information location tool? means a service that refers or links users to an online location on the World Wide Web. Such term includes directories, indices, references, pointers, and hypertext links.

SmokeyTheBear · 04-12-2007, 09:03 AM

p.s. i have a patent on TGD (thumbnail gallery directory ) so you gotta pay me 25 cents everytime you use it.

Humpy Leftnut · 04-12-2007, 09:08 AM

I hope you're right.

BoyAlley · 04-12-2007, 09:09 AM

It is a very interesting point. I'd love to hear some of the industry attorneys weigh in.

Well, actually, I'd love to hear what the DOJ thinks, but since that's not going to happen, and couple of industry attorneys would have to do..........

NinjaSteve · 04-12-2007, 09:12 AM

It makes sense to be listed with things like Google Search even if you have to throw in some type of search box that searches the site for images that links to the galleries not on the domain.

JMM · 04-12-2007, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

p.s. i have a patent on TGD (thumbnail gallery directory ) so you gotta pay me 25 cents everytime you use it.

P.S. You need a better attorney. You can't "patent" TGD or "thumbnail gallery directory"

Sarah_Jayne · 04-12-2007, 09:14 AM

and now it will be taken as gospel just from people readint the thread title alone

Virago · 04-12-2007, 09:15 AM

Cool.

Speaking of lawyers, change your sig, Smokey, before someone sues you.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168230.html

SmokeyTheBear · 04-12-2007, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Virago

Cool.

Speaking of lawyers, change your sig, Smokey, before someone sues you.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168230.html

heh . i added a subliminal message that warns people about the risk.

Slick · 04-12-2007, 09:18 AM

That's some great thinking there

Kefir · 04-12-2007, 09:20 AM

Lets hope it is true and the law will be interpreted this way. That would solve the whole 2257 thing

SmokeyTheBear · 04-12-2007, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMM

P.S. You need a better attorney. You can't "patent" TGD or "thumbnail gallery directory"

sure i can , i just did..

i filed it at smokey's patent office of extraordinary unpatentable things.

and now you owe me 25 cents... ill expect payment by the end of the week or i send it to a collection agency..

CheneyRumsfeld · 04-12-2007, 09:22 AM

so now everyone opens a thumbnail galley directory

SmokeyTheBear · 04-12-2007, 09:24 AM

heres another way around it..

try and mimic what google images does..

if you send any potential case to a jury and put the 2 sites side by side i cant see how any jury could convict.

Another thing sponsors could do is make a small thumbnail in the top left hand corner of their free hosted galleries so users can iframe just a small box just like a regular tgp cept it would be lots of little iframes that point to the gallery

MrPinks · 04-12-2007, 09:25 AM

Somehow I seriously doubt the DOJ will see it that way.

directfiesta · 04-12-2007, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

p.s. i have a patent on TGD (thumbnail gallery directory ) so you gotta pay me 25 cents everytime you use it.

Sell it to ACACIA ....

DamageX · 04-12-2007, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPinks

Somehow I seriously doubt the DOJ will see it that way.

It doesn't matter whether the DOJ sees it as such or not. It's what the judge rules on the first case that will get to court. I sure as hell wouldn't wanna be that one though.

ztik · 04-12-2007, 09:36 AM

I think that would only work for text based tgp's. Not ones that host images such as thumbnails themself.

MrPinks · 04-12-2007, 09:52 AM

If it was totally text based, as far as I know, it would be 2257 exempt anyways.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztik

I think that would only work for text based tgp's. Not ones that host images such as thumbnails themself.

SmokeyTheBear · 04-12-2007, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztik

I think that would only work for text based tgp's. Not ones that host images such as thumbnails themself.

it doesnt say only non image based dirextories..

it says directories ..

basically in a nutshell if you operate using the same methods as google images i dont see how you could get treated any differently before a "jury"

tiger · 04-12-2007, 10:35 AM

(5) Internet information location tool

That language by itself could give them big problems being that it describes what most web sites do.

Pleasurepays · 04-12-2007, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

it doesnt say only non image based dirextories..

it says directories ..

basically in a nutshell if you operate using the same methods as google images i dont see how you could get treated any differently before a "jury"

because a tgp owner can directly and easily control the content on its pages. google and forums etc cannot.

the intent of the law is to crack down EXACTLY on things like tgps... not search engines with billions of pages indexed.

having and arguement or believing you have an argument is 100% irrelevant when you have to spend $250,000-$500,000 making that argument in a court of law after being charged with a string of criminal charges by the federal government.

pussyluver · 04-12-2007, 11:21 AM

Are the people that write these laws 100% clueless?

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	tgp's are exempt from 2257 In short "directories" are exempt A tgp is essentialy a directory, if not rename your site to free porn directory. problem solved. ------------- pay close attention to the last part ---------------------------- Exemptions from 2257 requirements: (from http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=h109-4472) `(iv) the provision of a telecommunications service, or of an Internet access service or Internet information location tool (as those terms are defined in section 231 of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 231)); or from 47 U.S.C. 231: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1----000-.html (5) Internet information location tool The term ?Internet information location tool? means a service that refers or links users to an online location on the World Wide Web. Such term includes directories, indices, references, pointers, and hypertext links. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	p.s. i have a patent on TGD (thumbnail gallery directory ) so you gotta pay me 25 cents everytime you use it. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	heres another way around it.. try and mimic what google images does.. if you send any potential case to a jury and put the 2 sites side by side i cant see how any jury could convict. Another thing sponsors could do is make a small thumbnail in the top left hand corner of their free hosted galleries so users can iframe just a small box just like a regular tgp cept it would be lots of little iframes that point to the gallery __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

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BoyAlley So Fucking Gay Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19,714	It is a very interesting point. I'd love to hear some of the industry attorneys weigh in. Well, actually, I'd love to hear what the DOJ thinks, but since that's not going to happen, and couple of industry attorneys would have to do..........

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