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Old 04-19-2007, 11:21 PM   #101
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With that being said, I don't hate the government and think the system can work well if run properly with an agenda that would bring stability back to our country. Which in return could bring more stability to other countries as well. Being someone who is currently residing outside the country, I miss it so very much. Bottomline: 20 million illegal immigrants can't be wrong.
Oh shit you done did it now, the anti-American will be all over your ass for those statements. Dont you know its a crime to say anything nice about the United States?
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Old 04-19-2007, 11:28 PM   #102
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you forgot the following option "I only hate idiots like Splum and (sometimes) stickyfingerz".

I want to vote for this one.
Hate? Moi? Na... tho despise human waste - that comes in many forms, - the one thing it has in common? It's worth nothing to either human or animal. But.. they were bred that way and inherited the genes, so nothing new
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Old 04-19-2007, 11:35 PM   #103
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Excuse me.. you are talking about the most despised leadership in the western world and thinking they can bring stability to other countries???? DUH???

They are unqualified to boil an egg, can't even manage their own affairs and look after their own citizens.

They are also the source of instability in other countries - including decades of abuse and torture. Did you major in history???
FYI, i'm not a flamer so chill out a bit. please read post again more carefully.

I said the government, not the current administration, running smoothly could be beneficial. The sinking of the dollar is a perfect example of how things NOT running smoothly, can hurt others. Look beyond your own borders if you are not effected by the diminishing dollar.

The system of a democratic republic isn't a failure because of privatization of the govt, corruption, and moronic leaders that may have occurred over the past several decades. Allow me to quote myself, "What also distresses me is the complacent/ignorant attitudes" - Bdiddy. Which is the system which allows said corruption, etc to thrive.

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They are also the source of instability in other countries - including decades of abuse and torture. Did you major in history???
As a matter of fact I did and I have told you that before. Please cite instances (not flaming) and will agree if you're correct.

However, when you have studied history as I have, you would KNOW that there are very few civilizations (dead or alive) whose hands are clean in that regard.

If you're say, a native american whose tribe is the Nez Perce, then I would allow that statement without any response and I apologize for any assumption to the contrary.

Thats all I have to say about that.
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Old 04-19-2007, 11:40 PM   #104
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Even black people?
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:33 AM   #106
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FYI, i'm not a flamer so chill out a bit. please read post again more carefully.
Fair enough Bdiddy - my tolerance level of human waste is nada hence the response.

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I said the government, not the current administration, running smoothly could be beneficial. The sinking of the dollar is a perfect example of how things NOT running smoothly, can hurt others. Look beyond your own borders if you are not effected by the diminishing dollar.
Sure.. it's one of my main gripes that the level of fiscal incompetence has reduced the dollar to being a waste of time. There were many excellent opportunities, but they were washed down the drain - and at a fast rate.

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The system of a democratic republic isn't a failure because of privatization of the govt, corruption, and moronic leaders that may have occurred over the past several decades. Allow me to quote myself, "What also distresses me is the complacent/ignorant attitudes" - Bdiddy. Which is the system which allows said corruption, etc to thrive.
Mmmm... not a lot of comment on that - suspect some elements are good and some bad. Corruption is everywhere - not just in govt - it's a human trait :-) But in biz life, it's refreshing to deal with folks who are not corrupt and transparent in their biz conduct. Know one guy who recently turned down $2mill in "bribes" - gotta take a hat off to him!


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As a matter of fact I did and I have told you that before. Please cite instances (not flaming) and will agree if you're correct.

However, when you have studied history as I have, you would KNOW that there are very few civilizations (dead or alive) whose hands are clean in that regard.
This refers to the role of the US govt in other nations with involvement in torture and whatever? OK... No.. we are not talking about the Native American - yet another story - but in more recent times.

OK.. Will cover a segment of history (it's far too long) - ask any surviving member families of the thousands who were killed or tortured in Chile. Ask them who trained their torturers and who watched on during torture sessions. This is all well-recorded and plenty examples on the net and not in dispute.

Check out an organization which was based in Panama, but thrown out and is now fully based at Fort Benning - Georgia. It was called the "School of the Americas", but changed it's name for obvious reasons to "WHINSEC" - or the "Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation" Sound grand and noble?

This organization was the element responsible for the training of torturers in other nations. Almost all dictators who subsequently became a problem, (particularly in South/Central America) to their citizens attended SOA. Their principal military officers also were trained in torture techniques by the US govt.

There is of course much more, from CIA involvement in killings and other noble acts you would expect from a Christian nation - everything from drugs trafficking to weapons support (btw.. this was at the same time they were locking kids up in the states for drugs offenses).

Unfortunately, that wealth of experience in torture is still continuing in several of these countries and (not got the figures for this year), but last year resulted in a considerable number of killings of young women by placing plastic bags over their heads and waiting for them to die - then dumping them at roadsides. A prime example is in Guatamala and the good news is that a group of US-trained torturers (put in to manage that country at the time) have recently been arrested for several of these offenses.

SOA was evicted from Panama some time ago now - but the inheritance left both in Panama and all of Latin/South America will not be forgotten.

More recently, the current administration attempted once again, to form a "law enforcement school" in Latin America to train others - but, wisely this kind offer was rejected. Some folks have had enough of the abuse of the US govt.

There is plenty documentation covering this subject - and this is only based on the South American region alone - we could go global, but pointless. You don't have to agree if it is correct or not - it's a fact of life and commonly known, but maybe not too popular on CNN USA or FOX.
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:38 AM   #107
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Webby, I just love to see you spew your hate. This tells me you are truly a miserable person and I take delight in reading your pain and you venting here
as nothing more then a troll.

Also, what country are you from? Are you embarrassed to tell us?
Sorry - your too stupid to speak to.

Where am I from or where I live at the moment?? I'm from a country that is not deep in debt and values shitty dollars in half
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Just as I thought.. coward.
I'm from Europe idiot and I live in Costa Rica... Are you one of the idiots from the US??? Go on - "tell us where you are from"!!
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:46 AM   #109
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What does it matter? Just curious. The value of views on the US somehow is depending whether he's from the UK or Bulgaria?
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:46 AM   #110
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What part of Europe? I am a proud American.
Already said, but you are too dumb to know - where they value US dollars in half. I thought you were a proud American - that came thru loud and clear from your ignorance.
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What does it matter? Just curious. The value of views on the US somehow is depending whether he's from the UK or Bulgaria?
This is another one of the fetishes of the idiot element TFG - they "need" to know that because any country outside US borders is a "shit country" - it's part of the mental disability in conjunction with the ignorance
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I?ve been to many European countries and I am trying best to understand his views.
Understand?? Na... there is no ability to understand anything - trust me.

OK.. let's play a little for amusement sake. What "views" do you not understand??? I'll be please to enlighten
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Not really no. I do understand something, and could probably manage myself there. But I can't speak swedish like I do english. Even though it's mandatory in school, everyone hates swedish (probably because it is mandatory). Like 2% of Finland is swedish, yet we have to learn 2 languages. Gay.
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OK... suspected you had no comprehension of "views" and an inability to express any points you may not understand...........

But.. if you can think of any - just post them

PS You managed yet to establish which country I'm from - or busy with a currency converter looking up the exchange rate in Thailand?
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Webby answer my question.
Take your time.. no hurry... what is the question?
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Not really no. I do understand something, and could probably manage myself there. But I can't speak swedish like I do english. Even though it's mandatory in school, everyone hates swedish (probably because it is mandatory). Like 2% of Finland is swedish, yet we have to learn 2 languages. Gay.
I agree on that. Sucks that you have to study swedish. I know about that before. But it sucks too that you guys cant communicate with swedish, norweigan and danish ppl. Your language is to differently.

But you do speak good english
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That's what I thought. You're a coward.
No no no no - that's not a question on "views" - it's another load of crap.

OK... Slowly... a question ends with a "?"... Now, what concerns you that you wish to know about and I'll try real hard to explain.
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Jesus H Christ let me help you out of this one:

1 GBP = 2 USD.

Now, go google GBP and bingo!
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Jesus H Christ let me help you out of this one:

1 GBP = 2 USD.

Now, go google GBP and bingo!
Sheesh.. thanks for that he-fox - we'd be hear all night and scouring the globe to find a country in Europe
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Sheesh.. thanks for that he-fox - we'd be hear all night and scouring the globe to find a country in Europe
my pleasure, sir.
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He's not from England.
As you say - does the braincell inhibit this thought?
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my pleasure, sir.
Most thankful sir
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Oops... we got a mind blank at the moment?? No problemo - just take it slowly.

Now... do you know what GBP stands for? Just ask if this is confusing...
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Fair enough Bdiddy - my tolerance level of human waste is nada hence the response.
...(truncation)...
There is plenty documentation covering this subject - and this is only based on the South American region alone - we could go global, but pointless. You don't have to agree if it is correct or not - it's a fact of life and commonly known, but maybe not too popular on CNN USA or FOX.
I agree 100%, and thanks for the response.

Organizations like the CIA and the NSA have become and do carry very dirty little secrets and are puppets of the people in power. By that I mean the REAL people in power.

Believe me when I say that I wish things like this didn't happen. Unfortunately these organizations operate with no checks and balances. The founding fathers are really spinning in their graves at that notion.
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My little troll you will need to find attention elsewhere.
No no no no - I keep telling you, a question ends with a "?" and you supposed to be asking about my "views" which you don't understand - remember????

You happy now you know which country I'm from? That must have been a great source of confusion in the braincell - apologies
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I agree 100%, and thanks for the response.

Organizations like the CIA and the NSA have become and do carry very dirty little secrets and are puppets of the people in power. By that I mean the REAL people in power.

Believe me when I say that I wish things like this didn't happen. Unfortunately these organizations operate with no checks and balances. The founding fathers are really spinning in their graves at that notion.
There is shit everywhere Bdiddy - in one form or other. It's a pity is screws up (and kills) many innocent people.

Know a US person here who - well, he now "cultivates his garden" - but was involved in some of that historical stuff. He was trained at SOA and involved in meetings on borders with .. forget his name... the military guy in the center of the Iran Contra shit. Tho he worked at times for the US govt - he has a very bad attitude about em - says he would not trust em with anything - he was double-crossed several times. But he's totally "with" the US and in particular with US personnel who have not been recovered from previous "wars".

He still does odd jobs for govts, but really wants to know what the truth is before getting involved.
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well, he now "cultivates his garden"
Funny, I know a guy just like that here in Manila
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Funny, I know a guy just like that here in Manila
Hehe.. think there are a few around the globe!!! War torn "soldiers" in some form or other

This guy is still "working" - and even done a good job here (which never ever reaches the media) - but solved a few problems

Dunno why, but I keep ending up with either them or "govt officers" as friends - and got to say, they are the most loyal people I know - and great respect for the work they do which is often at high risk to themselves (and with the accompanying injuries). They sure deserve far more than they get in payment
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You are a terrorist sympathizer huh?
I can totally understand the motivation of Bin Laden.
In the same way I can understand the motivation behind the killings in Iraq. (I mean US killing of Iraqis.)
But I support neither.

In fact I find both abhorrant.

But to think that they are terrorists and we are righteous is a matter of politics and degrees.
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i didnt vote.
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Ive about had it with the America bashing this week. Lets lay it out. Make it clear. Do you hate us? Do you hate our government? Do you hate our morals? Do you hate everything about us?

This is a public poll. If you dont vote and continue to make stupid fucking threads about things that go on in our country, you will show yourself as a coward.

In fact post exactly what you feel about us in this thread. Bring it out in the open. Ive just about had it this week.

And come in and whine about "its not a fair question" or "bullshit poll" Say how you fucking feel.
I hate that americans feel that they are important enough to start threads about themselves
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I am guessing because the terrorists come over here and blow things up. When that happens that makes it the business of the US. Had they stayed over there and left us alone, we would not care what they were doing.
It was the CIA
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I don't know about the rest of the facts that Sticky posted, but I do know for a fact that Germans are forbidden to sing the second verse of the German anthem. It's been told to me a few times by my German friends.




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dude, you are killing me. really. i'm laughing so loud here that i'm afraid my neighbours think i finally went insane.



ok, whereever you found that crap - it just disqualified you from this discussion



sorry, i can't stop laughing here





unbelievable




ok, i'm done for today - gotta watch LOTR, have a nice czech beer and do some business

have fun


















sorry, i couldn't resist:
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1 GBP = 2 USD.

Now, go google GBP and bingo!
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This seems to be the page Sticky got all the info on Germany from:

http://www.germarrudolf.com/civil/civil.html
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This seems to be the page Sticky got all the info on Germany from:

http://www.germarrudolf.com/civil/civil.html
Have you seen those fucking ridiculous laws you have in the states? You know "not allowed to photograph moose on churchsteps except during fullmoon", and shit... All countries have those, whether they're enforced or not is a different matter. And IF they are enforced, why and where, and in what context?

Another thing here I'd like to add that I don't like on some of the americans that post on this board, everything must be black or white. There is no middleground.
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Old 04-20-2007, 08:58 AM   #138
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* What kind of a country is it where a considerable part of the people think, singing their national anthem could be forbidden?
* What country is it where folksingers might be put in jail for singing peaceful songs?
* What kind of a country is it where a mother of five gets a prison term for having sold one CD with peaceful music on it?
* What country is it where a pastor raising his national flag in his church would get kicked out of his parish for being an extremist?
* What country is it where somebody raising his country's flag would be harassed by his neighbors for being an extremist?
* What country is it where a teacher suggesting that all students should sing the national anthem first thing every morning would lose his job for being an extremist?
* What country is it where showing uncompromised flags of its past is considered a threat to "public peace"?
* What country is it where people can get fined for raising an arm to wave their hands at a person?
* What country is it where people can be fined for collecting and displaying full-scale models of historical weapons?
* What country is it where one can be fined or sent to jail for showing symbols and insignia that have been, and still are, used in many cultures for centuries and millennia?
* What country is it where a professor who writes his disbelief about certain historical events in a footnote, written in Latin, in a scholarly anthology can be prosecuted and threatened with jail?
* What country is it where a judge, writing a well-founded, but highly controversial book on historical topics, sees his book confiscated and burned, his pension cut, and his PhD title withdrawn as a result of this?
* What country is it where a highly renowned historian writing a well-founded book of his country's history can be threatened with prosecution because what he found out is not liked by the authorities?
* What country is it where a history teacher is sent to jail for uttering historical dissent in a private letter to a high-profile personality?
* What country is it where a professor criticizing internationalism can be kicked out of his job, harassed, prosecuted and driven into suicide?
* What country is it that sends a historical dissenter to prison for more than two years just because he published peaceful, scholarly historical material?
* What country is it that denigrates, defames and humiliates its war veterans to such a degree that finally one of them burns himself publicly in protest against what he calls a "Niagara flood of lies" against his generation?
* What country is it that outlaws the commemoration of such a self-sacrifices and punishes everybody who dares to publish this man's last appeal?
* What country is it where well-founded, heavily footnoted books on political and historical topics, authored by academics with plenty of credentials, can be confiscated and burned by the authorities?
* What country is it where authors, editors, publishers, printers, wholesalers, retailers, importers and exporters, warehouses, and customers buying more than two copies of a certain medium can be prosecuted for producing, stocking, importing/exporting, distributing dissenting political and historical literature?
* What country is it that hides from its citizens, which media are outlawed, so that one cannot possibly know whether or not one commits a crime when distributing such media?
* What country is it where judges are threatened with prosecution because they did not punish political and historical dissenters harshly enough?
* What country is it that outlaws the introduction of exonerating evidence?
* What country is it that prosecutes defense lawyers if they try to introduce exonerating evidence on behalf of their clients?
* What country is it that does not keep records of what is said and is happening during trial proceedings?
* What country is it that has institutions designed to conduct political trials?
* What country is it that has a huge spy agency designed to snoop on opposition groups?
* What country is it where members of certain political opposition groups considered constitutional can nevertheless be deprived of some of their civil rights?
* What country is it that, according to experts, will be a totalitarian state very soon, if things keep developing as they did so far?
* What country is it where even the mainstream media admit that this country is in a state of hysteria while persecuting political dissidents?
* What country is it where the head of state asks for children to spy on their parents and parents to spy on their children to make sure they do not harbor unwanted political views?
* What country is it where authorities and the public declare publicly to fight everything that is deemed to be politically on the right?
* What country is it where the authorities declare that half of their population deserves to be ostracized for harboring political views?
* What country is it that is proud of conducting more than 10,000 criminal prosecutions against persons for having committed peaceful "thought crimes"?
* What is the country in the world with the second harshest censorship after China?

What country would that be???

The correct answer is:

Germany

That is indeed true.

Germany, BTW, actually had a real democracy for awhile after WWI but we and the rest of the west (to say nothing of the Russians) were none too pleased with the democratically elected party that took power there in 1933.

In retrospect what the Second World War victors (including the USA) insisted on in the post WWII years was pretty harsh, but understandable given the circumstances.

Still in all, that bit about German citizens not even being allowed to honor their war dead was (and remains) particularly harsh
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This seems to be the page Sticky got all the info on Germany from:

http://www.germarrudolf.com/civil/civil.html
anthony - that guy is a nazi - he's even in prison because of that. taking him as a source for anything is like considering the Jerry Springer show as a trustworthy news source

and it's the first verse of the german anthem that isn't used - cause it claims germanys borders to be somewhere which is nowadays poland.
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I DID go straight up to 12clicks in Phoenix, who's twice my size btw, and told it just as I did when we "Debated" elsewhere. It was one of the better talks I've had with someone from this industry. Too short though.
no, you kinda meandered your way over to me.
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no, you kinda meandered your way over to me.
lol, puhlease.

I saw you walk by once, when I was on my way somewhere.

Then I saw you later, sitting there looking all metro, and I walked up and reintroduced myself and apologized for making you look bad at MP. You laughed, said I didn't, and we had a good chat.

Meandered. Good word, but no.
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Man wonder if I can get someone to change this to a public poll now. That would be fun.
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anthony - that guy is a nazi - he's even in prison because of that. taking him as a source for anything is like considering the Jerry Springer show as a trustworthy news source

and it's the first verse of the german anthem that isn't used - cause it claims germanys borders to be somewhere which is nowadays poland.
I believe you, my German friends tell me there are alot of whackos there.

Thanks for clearing it up Bro.
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and it's the first verse of the german anthem that isn't used - cause it claims germanys borders to be somewhere which is nowadays poland.
Actually that would be somewhere which is nowadays Lithuania



The Germans call the place Memel, the people living there now call it Klaipėda.
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Actually that would be somewhere which is nowadays Lithuania



The Germans call the place Memel, the people living there now call it Klaipėda.
well, actually the river and not the city is meant - but i didn't even know that Klaipeda was called Memel before - thanks for clearing that up
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