DOCTOR 30

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070420/..._evacuation_16


And now it begins! Copycat gunman psychos.

One can only imagine what set this nut off. I imagine it'll be top of the news on the Art Bell show and some how UFOs, the Face on Mars, and the Illuminati will be the reason some how.

scottybuzz

wow thats really sad

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Dirty F

Probably the fact that he could buy a gun on the corner of the street.

DOCTOR 30

You wonder about the security of the space shuttle with shit like this going on.

KustomKowgurl

sad. I'm from Houston and have lots of ties to NASA. Not ever good to hear about something like that happening...definitely scary when it hits so close to home.

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Dirty Dane

Guns are good. Not.

DOCTOR 30

News is still speculating about why this guy went off.

CherryLipsRosa

this is really sad

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minusonebit

Yeah, lets blame the guns.

JamesK2

Yeah let's not worry about guns, they do no harm.

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wmbrett

Wow... things have really gone crazy this past week. I don't look forward to reading or seeing the news next week...lol

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Drake

Maybe the Jews in Germany in the 1940s would have had a fighting chance if they had guns. Instead, they had to kneel before armed German soldiers and be slaughtered.

Why is the American army having a tough time controlling Iraq? Because the people there are armed to the teeth, and will not relent to an invading army.

Jarmusch

So the reason every american has a gun is to defend themselves from any possible invading army?

Drake

It's only one of many reasons. Please refer to the first post in this thread for others.

Damian_Maxcash

OMG........

notabook

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tony286

too fucking crazy

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Webby

Looking at the insanity in a number of posts here - I got no sympathy whatsoever. Idiots deserve each other - carry on shooting

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Webby

Gawd almighty

IDIOT!!!!

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Ace_luffy

that really sad man......

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Dirty F

Does it hurt being THAT fucking stupid?

Drake

Because posting smilies proves what? lol

Come back with a reasoned response, if you or your ilk are capable.

Dirty F

A reasoned response that a near insane explanation?

Dude, i rather talk to my cat, she makes more sense I dont discuss stuff with lunatics you fucking imbecile

Drake

My post wasn't an explanation for the shooter - it was regarding gun control.

Go talk to your cat, since there are obviously too many lunatics around. lol

Porn Farmer

Do you really not understand why your post was so idiotic?

Drake

Enlighten me.

CheneyRumsfeld

if you are going to post
then post something interesting
who gives a shit if these idiots kill one another
freaking idiots probably needed shooting

DOCTOR 30

Where the fuck some assholes came up with the idea that the second amendment meant to have arms only as a militia is indicative of the cowards and oppressors in our midsts. Here's exactly what I was debating all along. the founding fathers meant what they said. No gray area.

http://www.rense.com/general2/right.htm

The Lessons Of History -
The Founding Fathers On
Right To Bear Arms
By Phyllis Schlafly - The Schlafly Report
June, 2000


* James Madison: Americans have "the advantage of being armed" -- unlike the citizens of other countries where "the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

* Patrick Henry: "The great objective is that every man be armed. . . . Everyone who is able may have a gun."

* George Mason: "To disarm the people [is] the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

* Samuel Adams: "The Constitution shall never be construed . . . to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."

* Alexander Hamilton: "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."

* Richard Henry Lee: "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."


The chief reason America has remained a free country is the widespread private ownership of firearms. Individual ownership of guns made the American Revolution possible. The principal purpose of the Second Amendment was to maintain our freedom from government. It is an insult to our heritage to imply that the Founding Fathers wrote the Second Amendment just to protect deer hunters.

My good friend, the late Reverend Stephen Dunker, C.M., was a missionary in China who was imprisoned by the Communists during the early 1950s. I heard him tell of his experiences many times. When the Communists first took over the area where he lived, they appeared to be good rulers. They established law and order and cleaned up the traffic in drugs and prostitutes. Then one day the Communist bosses announced, "You can see that we have established a good society and you have no need for your guns. Everyone must come in the night and dump all guns in the town square." The people believed and obeyed. The next day, the reign of terror began, with public executions and cruel imprisonments. Everyone accused of being a "landlord" was dragged through the streets and executed; a "landlord" was anyone who farmed his little plot of ground with two water buffalo instead of one.

Gun confiscation leads to a loss of freedom, increased crime, and the government moving to the left. This has already happened in England and Australia. After Great Britain banned most guns in 1997, making armed self-defense punishable as murder, violence skyrocketed because criminals know that law abiding citizens have been disarmed. Armed crime rose 10% in 1998. The Sunday Times of London reported on the new black market in guns: "Up to 3 million illegal guns are in circulation in Britain, leading to a rise in drive-by shootings and gangland-style execution." There has been such a heavy increase in the use of knives for violent attacks that new laws have been passed giving police the power to search anyone for knives in designated areas.

In 1996 Australia banned 60% of all firearms and required registration of all guns and the licensing of gun owners. Police confiscated 640,381 firearms, going door to door without search warrants. Two years later, the Australian Bureau of Statistics reported that all crime had risen and armed robberies were up 44%.

Miguel A. Faria Jr., M.D., described his first-hand experience in Cuba. Before 1958, Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista had all citizens register their firearms. After the revolution, Raul and Fidel Castro had their Communist thugs go door to door and, using the registration lists, confiscate all firearms. As soon as the Cubans were disarmed, that was the end of their freedom.

Tyrannical governments kill far more people than private criminals. The Nazis conducted a massive search-and-seizure operation in 1933 to disarm their political opponents, in 1938 to disarm the Jews, and when they occupied Europe in 1939-41 they proclaimed the death penalty for anyone who failed to surrender all guns within 24 hours.

The first line of safety has to be an ability to defend yourself. In some areas, a woman who is being stalked by her ex-husband must wait 10 days to buy a gun, even if her life has been threatened. Some cities criminalize carrying guns for self-defense but make exceptions for people carrying money or jewels. Are money and jewels more important to protect than people's lives?

History teaches us that registration leads to the confiscation of guns and that is the goal of many gun control advocates. Pete Shields, founder of Handgun Control Inc., told The New Yorker: "The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition -- except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors -- totally illegal."

Atlanta public-safety commissioner George Napper told U.S News, "If I had my druthers, the only people who would have guns would be those who enforce the law." Like those who "enforced the law" at Waco? or at Ruby Ridge? or invading a Miami home to grab Elián Gonzalez?

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Polls show that up to 80% of the public believe citizens have a constitutional right to own guns.

If the First Amendment read "A free press being necessary to the security of a free state, Congress shall make no law respecting . . . the freedom of speech, or of the press," nobody would argue that free speech belongs only to newspapers. Likewise, they should not argue that the right to keep and bear arms belongs only to government agents.

Chief Justice William Rehnquist, writing for the majority in U.S. v. Verdugo-Urquidez (1990), stated that the term "the people" has the same meaning in the First, Second, Fourth, Ninth and Tenth Amendments. All those five amendments in the Bill of Rights use the term "the people" to guarantee a right for individual citizens, not just some collective right of the state as a whole. There is no reason to believe that the Second Amendment uses the term "the people" differently from the other four amendments.

The claim that "militia" just refers to the National Guard is ridiculous. The same Congress that passed the Second Amendment also passed the Militia Act of 1792 which defined militia as "each and every able-bodied male citizen" from age 18 to 45 (with some exceptions) and stated that each one shall "provide himself" with a gun, ammunition, and a bayonet.

The currently effective Militia Act substantially keeps the same language ("all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and . . . under 45"), and further defines militia as: "(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia." (10 U.S.C. 311)

In recent years, a scholarly consensus has emerged across the political spectrum that the Second Amendment protects an individual right. Between 1980 and 1995, of 39 law review articles, 35 noted the Supreme Court's prior acknowledgement of the individual right of the Second Amendment and only four claimed the right is a collective right of the states (and 3 of those 4 were authored or co-authored by persons connected with the gun-control lobby).

The Founding Fathers on the Right to Own Guns:

* James Madison: Americans have "the advantage of being armed" -- unlike the citizens of other countries where "the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."

* Patrick Henry: "The great objective is that every man be armed. . . . Everyone who is able may have a gun."



* George Mason: "To disarm the people [is] the best and most effectual way to enslave them."



* Samuel Adams: "The Constitution shall never be construed . . . to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."



* Alexander Hamilton: "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."



* Richard Henry Lee: "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."

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For more information: John Lott Jr., More Guns, Less Crime (2nd edition, 2000). Miguel A. Faria Jr., M.D., articles on England and Australia in the Medical Sentinel, May/June 2000, and letter on Cuba to the editor of the Wall Street Journal, December 28, 1999. Professor Sanford Levinson, "The Embarrassing Second Amendment," Yale Law Journal, 1989. Professor James D. Wright, "Second Thoughts about Gun Control," The Public Interest, Spring 1988. Stephen P. Halbrook, That Every Man Be Armed, Independent Institute, 1994, and the Wall Street Journal, June 4, 1999. Daniel D. Polsby, Firearms and Crime, Independent Institute, 1997. Joyce Lee Malcolm, lecture at the Independent Institute, September 21, 1999, http://www.independent.org/ For law review articles, gun court cases, and the 1982 Senate report, see http://www.2ndlawlib.org/.

Drake

A bunch of smilies and "idiot" "lunatic" 4th grade responses from anti-gun groupies. What does it all mean. Winning a debate has never been so easy.

The Founding Fathers were fools. Lord help us.

Porn Farmer

Jewish population of Germany at the start of WW2 was around a little more than 500,000. That's men women and children. That represents no more than 1% of the German population of the time.

Do you seriously think that these people being armed would have made any difference against the German war machine?

Do you have any idea of WW2 casualties in Europe..? More than 20 million Russian military and civilians were killed alone. Then start adding in deaths from every other European country.

Your suggestion is idiotic.

Drake

I don't care if they were .0001% of the population. Going down fighting is better than simply going down. Capiche?

Some people think it's ok to bend over and take it. Others of us are men.

You may not win the battle but killing one or two Nazis before you take a bullet should give you some semblance of satisfaction.

Drake

Seperating the men from the mice.

scottybuzz

i would agree but when guns are so easily accessible, all it takes is for someone to snap and break into a car and get a gun

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scottybuzz

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Porn Farmer

Well shit, we all know from the gun nuts that cars are more dangerous than guns.

Maybe the jews just should have run the nazi's down in their cars.

You're an ignoramous with no knowledge of history and your internet tough guy act is sad and lame. But oh so predictable.

Drake

I'm all for gun reform (not allowing the mentally deranged to buy) and enforcing proper gun laws (not allowing guns to be displayed openly in a car so that anybody breaking into it can grab it).

Drake

Comparing guns to cars makes no sense, but I understand you having to resort to lame comparisons for your weak comeback. That is oh so predictable.

Drake

Would you suggest they use a gun to put me to sleep?

Drake

Generalizations like "you have no knowledge of history" are dumb. I don't have to have knowledge of all of history, and I don't, nor do you. Stick to the topic at hand. There is nothing "tough" about wanting a gun to defend one's self. In fact, it's in recognition that it is much easier to defend one's self and one's family with a weapon than without one (does that make me tough or just cautious and vigilant?). Stop regurgitating what you've heard about the evils of guns.

Dirty F

Drake

Two types of people in this thread thus far:

1) The knee-jerk reactions of the anti-gun crowd. Instead of using reason they prefer epithets like, idiot, retard, and lunatic to get their point(?) across.

2) The level-headed crowd, who happen to adhere to the wisdom of the Founding Fathers

Dirty F

Aaaaaaaaahahaha dude, please stop

Dirty F

33 = 33 years old? Pleae say it isnt so?

Drake

Frank is on a crusade. Pure entertainment.

Dirty F

No imbecile, your posts are pure entertainment

A 33 yr old coming up with stuff a 16 year old wouldnt even think off.

Drake

Frank is going to drown out the thread with smilies using the logic that says: the louder one talks (or the more they repeat themselves), the more right they become.