What do you think of upsells? - GoFuckYourself.com

DVTimes · 05-20-2007, 11:10 AM

What do you think of upsells?

By this Imean sites that promote other sites inside them to make more cash.

In other words you (the affiliate) may send a site 100 sales. Out of that mabe 20 or so join the other upgrade site. Thus the site owner wins again but the afiliate does not.

To me I do not like it, as I think not only it unfaire but makes the members area looks naff.

I have seen inside a few members areas of well known sites (some are regular on this forum), and it looks naff.

just to point out I never will have upsells in my members area.

Do you think website owners say if they do have upsells in the members area or not.

Also if you do have a website that relies on affiliates do you dare say (in this thread) if you have any upsells at all.

fuzebox · 05-20-2007, 11:25 AM

I get annoyed when revshare programs use excessive members area upsells... As for PPS though, those upsells are factored in when your payout is calculated, so it's not a big deal to me

BigBen · 05-20-2007, 02:41 PM

Depends on who you're asking and what kind of upsells(product vs membership, same program vs other program, etc). membership upsells... it's fine for PPS affiliates, tends to suck for revshare affiliates, and program owners are making more money either way (debatable). Now if a revshare program is upselling their own sites and the affiliate gets paid on those, that's great. Not sure who does that though. Lightspeed maybe?

donkevlar · 05-20-2007, 02:50 PM

A lot of sites must lose a lot of members because of they're insane amount of upsells.

On the other hand, there's no harm in having a subtle fleshlight ad under some porn or a dating service link.

If you're getting $25-30 pps, you can't really complain about not getting paid for potential upsales. That's more ridiculous than the fact that people think pay sites are worth $30/month.

Screaming · 05-20-2007, 03:08 PM

i dont really mind them, once youve paid me what i wanted for a pps join, then what the surfer does after that is on you. ive been paid, and fairly or i wouldnt be sending the traffic.

Jace · 05-20-2007, 03:12 PM

an affiliate promoting a paysite is extra revenue for that site owner....an affiliate should be happy to make that money at all

what the site owner does after they become a member is their own business

to many affiliates bitch about too much shit and want too much in return

ever promoted a mainstream sponsor? heh....

BucksMania · 05-20-2007, 05:05 PM

targeted and moderated upsells is good in my book
its like extra and hand picked opportunities for the surfer

IllTestYourGirls · 05-20-2007, 05:18 PM

I have one sponsor I promote that has 4 or 5 upsales at the top of their members area. I dont see a dime from that. But I have not seen bad rebills because of it.

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StarkReality · 05-20-2007, 06:36 PM

Well, upsells are certainly better than shaving, many programs couldn't compete without them, but I certainly prefer upsells I get money for as well.

The Teen Revenue (Little Lupe, Texas Twins, etc.) guys are a good example. You can upgrade a membership to access all sites and affiliates get paid for the upgrade.

What I'm more worried about are excessive X-Sales, since they are often pre-checked on signup forms, hidden at the bottom and piss off surfers alot when they see a 90$ bill instead of the expected 30$. They never again pay for porn.

jscott · 05-20-2007, 06:41 PM

I"ve made a thread similar to this on another board, 99% of the paysite owners took it upon themselves to bash me as best they could, personally, business-ly, and in everyway they could, and even tried to insult me.

I'll repeat what i said before, the affiliate does deserve a small % of the upsell but i know there is no way to track it, and probably never will be, but my honest opinion is the affilate does deserve something from those upsell(s)

FreeHugeMovies · 05-20-2007, 09:18 PM

I hate the revshare only sponsors who upsell like hell. I generally only push PPS sponsors bc of this reason. The rebills go somewhere else and I don't get credit for it.

Paul Markham · 05-20-2007, 10:46 PM

Professional sponsors know that they need to pay affiliates as much as possible to keep the traffic coming. Professional affiliates send traffic to the places returning the biggest checks. Sponsors who skim the money lose out.

Many sites upsell to each other. Site A upsells to site B, C and D. B, C and D are upselling to site A who has more traffic to send back. Site A makes more money on the same traffic. This money he ploughs back into his site with more and better content, increasing conversions and retention, or/and he increases the rev share pay outs.

You could do that with your sites, find 3-5 other similar sites and upsell to each other. Increase your content and get more members.

This lesson in business was free.

bdld · 05-21-2007, 12:58 AM

i expect it if im getting paid $35/join.

tabasco · 05-21-2007, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdld

i expect it if im getting paid $35/join.

Exactly.

DVTimes · 05-22-2007, 03:07 PM

yes. interesting.

SykkBoy · 05-22-2007, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jscott

I"ve made a thread similar to this on another board, 99% of the paysite owners took it upon themselves to bash me as best they could, personally, business-ly, and in everyway they could, and even tried to insult me.

I'll repeat what i said before, the affiliate does deserve a small % of the upsell but i know there is no way to track it, and probably never will be, but my honest opinion is the affilate does deserve something from those upsell(s)

Not attacking, just asking a question

Do YOU return a % of your income to the sites that send you your traffic? If you submit a free site to Greenguy or a gallery to The Hun, do you kick them back a % for the traffic that enabled you to get the sale?

If you're getting paid per signup, that % of the upsell is already factored in. Exit consoles are factored in (why do you think the payouts are higher with more exit consoles?).

Everything has already been factored in when the payout amount is determined. This is why you're being paid upfront in one lump sum.

Jace · 05-22-2007, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SykkBoy2

If you're getting paid per signup, that % of the upsell is already factored in. Exit consoles are factored in (why do you think the payouts are higher with more exit consoles?).

Everything has already been factored in when the payout amount is determined. This is why you're being paid upfront in one lump sum.

I think he is talking more about revshare sponsors

regardless, affiliate make a sale, period, they don't own part of the company, they aren't stock holders, they are there to send people to paysites and sell the surfer into joining that paysite...period...that is IT...what the site owner does after the surfer joins is the paysite owners busiess, if the affiliate doesn't like it, send traffic elsewhere

05-20-2007, 11:10 AM	#1
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	What do you think of upsells? What do you think of upsells? By this Imean sites that promote other sites inside them to make more cash. In other words you (the affiliate) may send a site 100 sales. Out of that mabe 20 or so join the other upgrade site. Thus the site owner wins again but the afiliate does not. To me I do not like it, as I think not only it unfaire but makes the members area looks naff. I have seen inside a few members areas of well known sites (some are regular on this forum), and it looks naff. just to point out I never will have upsells in my members area. Do you think website owners say if they do have upsells in the members area or not. Also if you do have a website that relies on affiliates do you dare say (in this thread) if you have any upsells at all. __________________ The Affiliate Program

05-20-2007, 02:50 PM	#4
donkevlar Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,325	A lot of sites must lose a lot of members because of they're insane amount of upsells. On the other hand, there's no harm in having a subtle fleshlight ad under some porn or a dating service link. If you're getting $25-30 pps, you can't really complain about not getting paid for potential upsales. That's more ridiculous than the fact that people think pay sites are worth $30/month. __________________ [email protected]

05-20-2007, 03:08 PM	#5
Screaming I can change this!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,972	i dont really mind them, once youve paid me what i wanted for a pps join, then what the surfer does after that is on you. ive been paid, and fairly or i wouldnt be sending the traffic. __________________

05-20-2007, 05:18 PM	#8
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	I have one sponsor I promote that has 4 or 5 upsales at the top of their members area. I dont see a dime from that. But I have not seen bad rebills because of it. __________________

05-20-2007, 06:24 PM	#9
CuriousToyBoy Crazy Aussie Bastard Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Wherever I lay my hat, that's my home. Posts: 16,787	A few smart guys are using http://www.reviewcash.com in their members areas to EXCELLENT effect. 2c __________________ Celebs Adult Who's Who ==> Ambush Interview ==> ICQ 293 070 684 ==> intmarpacrim AT gmail DOT com

05-20-2007, 11:25 AM	#2
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,112	I get annoyed when revshare programs use excessive members area upsells... As for PPS though, those upsells are factored in when your payout is calculated, so it's not a big deal to me

05-20-2007, 02:41 PM	#3
BigBen Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: scv Posts: 2,299	Depends on who you're asking and what kind of upsells(product vs membership, same program vs other program, etc). membership upsells... it's fine for PPS affiliates, tends to suck for revshare affiliates, and program owners are making more money either way (debatable). Now if a revshare program is upselling their own sites and the affiliate gets paid on those, that's great. Not sure who does that though. Lightspeed maybe?

05-20-2007, 03:12 PM	#6
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	an affiliate promoting a paysite is extra revenue for that site owner....an affiliate should be happy to make that money at all what the site owner does after they become a member is their own business to many affiliates bitch about too much shit and want too much in return ever promoted a mainstream sponsor? heh....

05-20-2007, 05:05 PM	#7
BucksMania Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,758	targeted and moderated upsells is good in my book its like extra and hand picked opportunities for the surfer

05-20-2007, 06:36 PM	#10
StarkReality Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Posts: 4,444	Well, upsells are certainly better than shaving, many programs couldn't compete without them, but I certainly prefer upsells I get money for as well. The Teen Revenue (Little Lupe, Texas Twins, etc.) guys are a good example. You can upgrade a membership to access all sites and affiliates get paid for the upgrade. What I'm more worried about are excessive X-Sales, since they are often pre-checked on signup forms, hidden at the bottom and piss off surfers alot when they see a 90$ bill instead of the expected 30$. They never again pay for porn.

05-20-2007, 06:41 PM	#11
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	I"ve made a thread similar to this on another board, 99% of the paysite owners took it upon themselves to bash me as best they could, personally, business-ly, and in everyway they could, and even tried to insult me. I'll repeat what i said before, the affiliate does deserve a small % of the upsell but i know there is no way to track it, and probably never will be, but my honest opinion is the affilate does deserve something from those upsell(s)

05-20-2007, 09:18 PM	#12
FreeHugeMovies Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 14,137	I hate the revshare only sponsors who upsell like hell. I generally only push PPS sponsors bc of this reason. The rebills go somewhere else and I don't get credit for it.

05-20-2007, 10:46 PM	#13
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Professional sponsors know that they need to pay affiliates as much as possible to keep the traffic coming. Professional affiliates send traffic to the places returning the biggest checks. Sponsors who skim the money lose out. Many sites upsell to each other. Site A upsells to site B, C and D. B, C and D are upselling to site A who has more traffic to send back. Site A makes more money on the same traffic. This money he ploughs back into his site with more and better content, increasing conversions and retention, or/and he increases the rev share pay outs. You could do that with your sites, find 3-5 other similar sites and upsell to each other. Increase your content and get more members. This lesson in business was free. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

05-21-2007, 12:58 AM	#14
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	i expect it if im getting paid $35/join.

05-22-2007, 03:07 PM	#16
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,544	yes. interesting. __________________ The Affiliate Program