Would it be wrong to terminate affiliates accounts for promoting Torrent supporters? - GoFuckYourself.com

DWB · 06-12-2007, 08:38 PM

If you are one of the program owners who cares about torrent sites and saw that some of your affiliates were also supporting sites (AFF, Fleshlight, Camz and so on...) that promoted these torrents, do you think it would be a shitty thing to do to add to your TERMS that their account could be terminated, and then shut them down?

I think it would be a great thing to add in your terms.

Of course many of you are blood sucking scum so I wouldn't expect that from the majority of you, but I know there are a few solid guys left out there.

donkevlar · 06-12-2007, 08:47 PM

If you want to cut out 80%+ of the people on this board, sure.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=739790

Cyrano · 06-12-2007, 08:52 PM

That would fall under the "bad business move" category.

DWB · 06-12-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by donkevlar

If you want to cut out 80%+ of the people on this board, sure.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=739790

Well, since 80% of the people who sign up for a program don't send a damn sale anyway, it's really only 10% - 20% that do, maybe that is an acceptable loss. Unless of course you lose the whales.

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Originally Posted by Cyrano

That would fall under the "bad business move" category.

It's sad that our industry is one that if a company or person takes a stand and does the right thing, it is a bad business move. That is why ultimately our industry will be regulated, because we are not capable of doing it ourselves.

SomeCreep · 06-12-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

If you are one of the program owners who cares about torrent sites and saw that some of your affiliates were also supporting sites (AFF, Fleshlight, Camz and so on...) that promoted these torrents, do you think it would be a shitty thing to do to add to your TERMS that their account could be terminated, and then shut them down?

Uh, no.

What you're saying, is like saying, a guy should go to jail, just because his friend is a drug dealer.

Slap Dot · 06-12-2007, 09:34 PM

that's an AWFUL idea.

bad business.

fluffygrrl · 06-12-2007, 09:54 PM

The torrents aren't going away. The torrents > the software industry. The software industry >>> adult. If Microsoft can't keep Vista off piratebay (look here) there's nothing you can do to keep busty babes XIX or whatever.

Just forget about it. There is no way in heck you can do even as much as a scrach. Play around it.

baddog · 06-12-2007, 10:05 PM

that would be tough to do/enforce

chodadog · 06-12-2007, 10:06 PM

SomeCreep hit the nail on the head.

And where would you draw the line? What about a program similar to yours that doesn't take that stand. Should they also be blacklisted because they haven't taken a stand against people who haven't taken a stand? Silly idea.

DWB · 06-13-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Slap Dot

that's an AWFUL idea.

bad business.

Yea... I guess it's better to turn the other way and keep supporting content theft.

99% of you don't have your content stolen, or even shoot your own content, so what do you care? Right?

So you're all right. My bad.

Keep supporting content theft!!!

chupacabra · 06-13-2007, 07:53 PM

do it, make a stand and fuck the 'bros'... if everyone is afraid to stand up to the forces that are destroying our industry soon enough we won't have one..

HighSociety · 06-13-2007, 07:59 PM

has fleashlight not banned that site? You have to tell them about it first and give them a day to do it, If it is still up let me know and I will gladly remove them from all my sites

tony286 · 06-13-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Yea... I guess it's better to turn the other way and keep supporting content theft.

99% of you don't have your content stolen, or even shoot your own content, so what do you care? Right?

So you're all right. My bad.

Keep supporting content theft!!!

Your right, most dont understand. They dont produce content and dont know the work involved.

RawAlex · 06-13-2007, 08:07 PM

It would be a bad business move.

However, it might be a reasonable business move to declare yourself "torrent free" and set up procedures for your affilaites to report if your site or content ends up as torrents, which would give you reasons to send out some DCMAs (including to the sponsors on the pages involved).

Take the high road, explain that you care about your affiliates and you don't want them to face unfair competition, and WITHOUT NAMING THE COMPANIES INVOVLED suggest that dealing with companies that appear on torrent sites is just cutting your own balls off.

Don't kill your own business just to prove a point - find a way to make it productive and positive for your program.

tolik · 06-13-2007, 10:21 PM

my own viewpoint:

torrents=warez=stolen content.

period.

KimJI · 06-13-2007, 10:44 PM

Why the hell are people defending people that run torrentsites? I fucking dont get it?

What SomeCreep said is total bullshit. Its far from the same thing. What he is doing is terminating accounts of people that make money off facilitating the distribution of copyrighted content.

It pisses me off that people are so fucking naive about this subject

Yes you should close the account, and let them come running and screaming at you on the boards, will be nice to see them try and defend how they make money off stolen content

chodadog · 06-13-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KimJI

Why the hell are people defending people that run torrentsites? I fucking dont get it?

What SomeCreep said is total bullshit. Its far from the same thing. What he is doing is terminating accounts of people that make money off facilitating the distribution of copyrighted content.

It pisses me off that people are so fucking naive about this subject

Yes you should close the account, and let them come running and screaming at you on the boards, will be nice to see them try and defend how they make money off stolen content

Uhh, no. That's not what he was suggesting at all. He's asking whether or not it would be wrong to terminate the account of someone who is supporting a third party who is in turn supporting torrents.

So say I promote DirtyWhiteBoy's sites but I also promote Adult Friend Finder and am in no way associated with torrents myself, he's asking if it would right or wrong to terminate my account because I do business with AFF.

You think that's fair? Where do you draw the line? Let's say DirtyWhiteBoy decides not to go ahead and do what he's talking about. Should he then be blacklisted by other sponsors because he hasn't taken a stand against affiliates who haven't stopped doing business with the likes of AFF and Fleshlight? And if they did, wouldn't it be rather hypocritical for him to complain about it?

chodadog · 06-13-2007, 11:19 PM

DirtyWhiteBoy, judging by your other thread you're clearly not going to go ahead with this idea. Why not? I imagine because it would have a negative impact on your business? Probably the same reason why those who are still dealing with sponsors like AFF and Fleshlight aren't prepared to take a stand. You cannot possibly criticize others for not ceasing a business relationship that will result in them losing money when you yourself are not prepared to do it.

KimJI · 06-13-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chodadog

Uhh, no. That's not what he was suggesting at all. He's asking whether or not it would be wrong to terminate the account of someone who is supporting a third party who is in turn supporting torrents.

So say I promote DirtyWhiteBoy's sites but I also promote Adult Friend Finder and am in no way associated with torrents myself, he's asking if it would right or wrong to terminate my account because I do business with AFF.

You think that's fair? Where do you draw the line? Let's say DirtyWhiteBoy decides not to go ahead and do what he's talking about. Should he then be blacklisted by other sponsors because he hasn't taken a stand against affiliates who haven't stopped doing business with the likes of AFF and Fleshlight? And if they did, wouldn't it be rather hypocritical for him to complain about it?

I see, I misread it. you are fight.

The scenario is borderline, I would personally send them a warning.
The only way you can get AFF and sites like it to stop supporting those sites, is hitting them where it hurts, and that is on the $$$

KimJI · 06-13-2007, 11:31 PM

"you are fight" = you are right

Its to damm early in the day for me to type

DWB · 06-17-2007, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chodadog

DirtyWhiteBoy, judging by your other thread you're clearly not going to go ahead with this idea. Why not? I imagine because it would have a negative impact on your business? Probably the same reason why those who are still dealing with sponsors like AFF and Fleshlight aren't prepared to take a stand. You cannot possibly criticize others for not ceasing a business relationship that will result in them losing money when you yourself are not prepared to do it.

I didn't say I would not do this. I'm just seeing what others think, if it's fair or going too far. Just because I think it, doesn't mean it's a good idea or the right thing to do.

But the idea of doing this is not far from my mind right now.

chodadog · 06-18-2007, 04:20 PM

Well then do it or you're no better than the "blood sucking scum" of this industry. Until you're prepared to take the financial hit that you expect others to take, I'd suggest you get down off of your high horse.

matrixxx · 06-18-2007, 04:44 PM

I thini it is the cost of doing business, I know I have encountered a very similar situation in my mainstream pursuits.

A business associate used his media partners (affiliates) as leverage in his situation banding them together instead of losing them, it takes numbers for change to happen.

tony286 · 06-18-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

It would be a bad business move.

However, it might be a reasonable business move to declare yourself "torrent free" and set up procedures for your affilaites to report if your site or content ends up as torrents, which would give you reasons to send out some DCMAs (including to the sponsors on the pages involved).

Take the high road, explain that you care about your affiliates and you don't want them to face unfair competition, and WITHOUT NAMING THE COMPANIES INVOVLED suggest that dealing with companies that appear on torrent sites is just cutting your own balls off.

Don't kill your own business just to prove a point - find a way to make it productive and positive for your program.

excellent post

06-12-2007, 08:38 PM	#1
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Would it be wrong to terminate affiliates accounts for promoting Torrent supporters? If you are one of the program owners who cares about torrent sites and saw that some of your affiliates were also supporting sites (AFF, Fleshlight, Camz and so on...) that promoted these torrents, do you think it would be a shitty thing to do to add to your TERMS that their account could be terminated, and then shut them down? I think it would be a great thing to add in your terms. Of course many of you are blood sucking scum so I wouldn't expect that from the majority of you, but I know there are a few solid guys left out there.

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chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	SomeCreep hit the nail on the head. And where would you draw the line? What about a program similar to yours that doesn't take that stand. Should they also be blacklisted because they haven't taken a stand against people who haven't taken a stand? Silly idea. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	It would be a bad business move. However, it might be a reasonable business move to declare yourself "torrent free" and set up procedures for your affilaites to report if your site or content ends up as torrents, which would give you reasons to send out some DCMAs (including to the sponsors on the pages involved). Take the high road, explain that you care about your affiliates and you don't want them to face unfair competition, and WITHOUT NAMING THE COMPANIES INVOVLED suggest that dealing with companies that appear on torrent sites is just cutting your own balls off. Don't kill your own business just to prove a point - find a way to make it productive and positive for your program.

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KimJI Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Location: So fucking gone Posts: 1,839	Why the hell are people defending people that run torrentsites? I fucking dont get it? What SomeCreep said is total bullshit. Its far from the same thing. What he is doing is terminating accounts of people that make money off facilitating the distribution of copyrighted content. It pisses me off that people are so fucking naive about this subject Yes you should close the account, and let them come running and screaming at you on the boards, will be nice to see them try and defend how they make money off stolen content __________________ Trafficadept \| Best traffic I have ever tested \| web "@t" cuul.org

06-13-2007, 11:19 PM	#18
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	DirtyWhiteBoy, judging by your other thread you're clearly not going to go ahead with this idea. Why not? I imagine because it would have a negative impact on your business? Probably the same reason why those who are still dealing with sponsors like AFF and Fleshlight aren't prepared to take a stand. You cannot possibly criticize others for not ceasing a business relationship that will result in them losing money when you yourself are not prepared to do it. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

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chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Well then do it or you're no better than the "blood sucking scum" of this industry. Until you're prepared to take the financial hit that you expect others to take, I'd suggest you get down off of your high horse. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

06-18-2007, 04:44 PM	#23
matrixxx Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 34	I thini it is the cost of doing business, I know I have encountered a very similar situation in my mainstream pursuits. A business associate used his media partners (affiliates) as leverage in his situation banding them together instead of losing them, it takes numbers for change to happen.