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Fletch XXX · 08-28-2002, 01:25 PM

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Um for the record,

its illegal to smoke cigarettes in most bars in california too.

You cant smoke cigaretts in public here.

;)

cherrylula · 08-28-2002, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nocostporn

if somebody walking by catches a wiff and it doesnt effect their mind and there is medical evidence then yeah,legalize the shit... I'm just telling you that is about the only reason it hasnt been

I could honestly careless..either way it wouldnt bother me I'm thinking like the most uptight politician and showing you thats the reason

Are you really that stupid to believe you can get high just from someone smoking next to you, outdoors of all places???

Cigarette smoke is at least twice as thick as marijuana smoke.

Beastiepoo · 08-28-2002, 01:34 PM

Isn't that pretty much the standard in most of the US now? Few restaraunts even have smoking sections anymore. It is heading that way in the UK now although it is a VERY slow process. I think the percentage of heavy smokers to non-smokers here is higher than in the US. Nice for those of us who don't like cigs I suppose but like I said before its hard on those who CAN'T go more than 30 mins without a smoke.

One of the only downsides about moving to France (which we are seriously considering). You can smoke anywhere. No-smoking sections don't really exist (except for McDonalds and supermarkets I think).

Fletch XXX · 08-28-2002, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Beastiepoo
Isn't that pretty much the standard in most of the US now? Few restaraunts even have smoking sections anymore.

No, bars are different.

My best friend owns a bar in New orleans and we were just laughing that it is an ordinance he has to follow that he by law MUST POST A "SMOKING ALLOWED" sign in his bar room.

New Orleans is run by the Tobacco and Alcohol companies.

His bar is full sponsored by Camel, all ashtrays napkins, straw3s, all provided by Phil Morris or whoever owns Camel, provided he feed his regulars free Camel cigs.

cherrylula · 08-28-2002, 01:50 PM

"Statistically speaking, the U.S. Department of Health reports that alcohol-related deaths total 100,000 annually from all causes, including traffic accidents, liver disease, related violence, falls, etc. They put marijuana and other illegal drug-related fatalities at under 10,000 a year. Tobacco, by the way, is responsible for 450,000 deaths a year, according to the same agency."

from this page:
http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/1130.html

more good reading:
http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/hemp_5.shtml

Fletch XXX · 08-28-2002, 02:09 PM

And these were the arguments that made this illegal.

Sounds like the same idiots who are Pro-Alcohol and AntiHerbs today.

Amazing.

" "Marijuana is the most violence causing drug in the history of mankind." "Most marijuana smokers are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes." "

from...
http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/hemp_5.shtml

eru · 08-28-2002, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Auslander

that movie is hilarious.

jas1552 · 08-28-2002, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
And these were the arguments that made this illegal.

Sounds like the same idiots who are Pro-Alcohol and AntiHerbs today.

Amazing.

" "Marijuana is the most violence causing drug in the history of mankind." "Most marijuana smokers are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes." "

from...
http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/hemp_5.shtml

Hahaha I'm listening to satanic swing right now and wanting to get high, but i need to re-up.

harvey · 08-28-2002, 02:23 PM

I'm outta USA, so I don't care. And in the meanwhile...

RockBros · 10-27-2002, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jas1552
I think the main reason it is still illegal is it has been illegal for many decades and the congress, republicans and democrats alike, are afraid of offending soccer moms and the elderly.
To advocate the legalization of marijuana would be very risky politically.

I totally agree.

I would add that the big corporate money hungry pharmaceutical companies have plenty of motivation and funding to lobby to keep marijuana illegal. Imagine the hit (pun intended) the synthetic drug makers would take if individuals seeking pain relief could supply themselves with a natural herb that would increase their quality of life or at least minimize their pain and suffering.

RockBros · 10-27-2002, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JConway
Unless it gets some major financial backing from some huge lobbyists that are going to drop the kind of $$$ that the tobacco and alcohol lobbyists do, then it will never be legal. It is a mind altering drug, legalized for the right price.

Right On!

Unless major money is spent...A grass roots movement seems to be the only option for possible reform.

RockBros · 10-27-2002, 11:13 AM

Regarding the issues of smoking in public and while driving...I believe the Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement's ballot initiative -- which appears on Nevada's 2002 general election ballot addresses these issues (See item #4 below) and others in a rational well thought out manor and can be a model for other other states. It removes the threat of arrest for responsible marijuana use and punishes irresponsible use.

Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement's ballot initiative

"If it passes in 2002 and again in November 2004, the marijuana initiative would do four things:

1. Eliminate the threat of arrest for adults who responsibly use and possess up to three ounces of marijuana. (This is the equivalent of four packs of cigarettes.)

2. Require the state government to implement a system whereby adults could obtain marijuana through a legally regulated market, rather than from the criminal market.

3. Allow seriously ill patients to obtain marijuana at a lower cost than non-medical users. (In 1998 and again in 2000, a majority of Nevada voters passed an initiative that allows seriously ill patients to use medical marijuana, but the initiative did not provide a way for patients to purchase medical marijuana legally. The 2002 initiative would fix this problem by requiring the state government to allow patients to purchase low-cost medical marijuana through a legally regulated system.)

4. Impose common-sense restrictions that the voters demand, such as imposing penalties for driving dangerously while under the influence of marijuana, smoking marijuana in public, and providing marijuana to minors.

This ballot initiative would allow the police to spend more time going after murderers, rapists, and other violent criminals, rather than wasting valuable resources hunting down tens of thousands of nonviolent marijuana users. "Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement" is the right name for this campaign committee. "

Sly_RJ · 10-27-2002, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by RockBros
4. Impose common-sense restrictions that the voters demand, such as imposing penalties for driving dangerously while under the influence of marijuana, smoking marijuana in public, and providing marijuana to minors.

Common sense? In the United States? You must be kidding... people have no respect for the wishes of others, which is why we have all these dumb ass laws.

eroswebmaster · 10-27-2002, 11:23 AM

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

What most people don't even realize is that Nevada has gone from being one of the most strict states when it comes to marijuana possession...
(anyone remember the signs from LA to Vegas said something like..."If we even find a seed in your ashtray...")
now to already one of the more lenient states in the country.

Medical marijuana is legal here...and possession is decriminalized to a certain extent.

The most you'll get right now is a ticket
Here's the rundown: NONE = NO INCARCERATION
Age 21 years or over, any amount (first offense) misdemeanor none* $600
Age 21 years or over, any amount (second offense) misdemeanor none* $1,000
Age 21 years or over, any amount (third offense) misdemeanor 1 year $2,000
Age 21 years or over, any amount (fourth offense) felony 1 - 4 years $5,000
Age less than 21 years less than 1 oz (first and second offense) felony 1 - 4 years** $5,000
Age less than 21 years less than 1 oz (third offense) felony 1 - 4 years $5,00
*Possible drug treatment.
**Probation usually granted for 1st and 2nd offenses.
Medical use permitted if less than 1 oz or 3 to 4 plants.

Now for those ignorant enough to think that if it's LEGALIZED this means people can smoke it in public places...you're so full of shit and just another proud member of the herd.

Here's the breakdown of Nevadas question 9 which is the initiative to legalize small amounts of marijuana:

1. As used in this section, "marijuana" means a plant of the genus Cannabis or its product.
2. The use or possession of three ounces or less of marijuana by a person who has attained the age of 21 years is not cause for arrest, civil or criminal penalty, or seizure or forfeiture of assets.
3. The legislature shall provide or maintain penalties for:

(a) Driving dangerously, or operating heavy machinery, while under the influence of marijuana.

(b) The distribution or sale of marijuana to, and the possession or use of marijuana by, persons who have not attained the age of 21 years.

(c) The smoking of marijuana in a vehicle or public place, including a publicly operated carrier of passengers, a public park, or a place where gaming is permitted.

(d) The distribution, sale, possession, or use of marijuana on the premises of a jail, prison, or public school.

Take notice...your children will be safe...lol

No smoking in public...no sales at school (which greatly affects my income ;) )

And another point people are forgetting when it comes to why pot was criminalized in the first place....let's not forget about the TEXTILE INDUSTRIES.

foe · 10-27-2002, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nocostporn
dude,the tobacco companies DO want it to be legal..Do you think if weed is legalized that means you can grow your own? LOL fuck that,you can't make your own alcohol YOU HAVE TO BUY IT AT A STORE...and the same will go for weed... If you get caught with "bootleg" weed that will still be illegal...think folks,think
Tobacco companies will be the ones selling it

budweiser has a patent for a weed cigarett

foe · 10-27-2002, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nocostporn
and the only reason it will never be legalize dis very simple,because some people don't want to get high! If all you smokers are out in public what about the little 10 year old boy walking past you? You can drink alcohol and it doesnt pass on to the next person,weed alters the mind and people who dont wont their mind altered shouldnt have to stay in doors for you...

never going to happen

drinking alcohol in public is also illegal, so is smoking in many places, They should do it like in amsterdam, legal only in certain designated areas and at home

Sly_RJ · 10-27-2002, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

What most people don't even realize is that Nevada has gone from being one of the most strict states when it comes to marijuana possession...
(anyone remember the signs from LA to Vegas said something like..."If we even find a seed in your ashtray...")
now to already one of the more lenient states in the country.

Medical marijuana is legal here...and possession is decriminalized to a certain extent.

The most you'll get right now is a ticket
Here's the rundown: NONE = NO INCARCERATION
Age 21 years or over, any amount (first offense) misdemeanor none* $600
Age 21 years or over, any amount (second offense) misdemeanor none* $1,000
Age 21 years or over, any amount (third offense) misdemeanor 1 year $2,000
Age 21 years or over, any amount (fourth offense) felony 1 - 4 years $5,000
Age less than 21 years less than 1 oz (first and second offense) felony 1 - 4 years** $5,000
Age less than 21 years less than 1 oz (third offense) felony 1 - 4 years $5,00
*Possible drug treatment.
**Probation usually granted for 1st and 2nd offenses.
Medical use permitted if less than 1 oz or 3 to 4 plants.

Now for those ignorant enough to think that if it's LEGALIZED this means people can smoke it in public places...you're so full of shit and just another proud member of the herd.

Here's the breakdown of Nevadas question 9 which is the initiative to legalize small amounts of marijuana:

1. As used in this section, "marijuana" means a plant of the genus Cannabis or its product.
2. The use or possession of three ounces or less of marijuana by a person who has attained the age of 21 years is not cause for arrest, civil or criminal penalty, or seizure or forfeiture of assets.
3. The legislature shall provide or maintain penalties for:

(a) Driving dangerously, or operating heavy machinery, while under the influence of marijuana.

(b) The distribution or sale of marijuana to, and the possession or use of marijuana by, persons who have not attained the age of 21 years.

(c) The smoking of marijuana in a vehicle or public place, including a publicly operated carrier of passengers, a public park, or a place where gaming is permitted.

(d) The distribution, sale, possession, or use of marijuana on the premises of a jail, prison, or public school.

Take notice...your children will be safe...lol

No smoking in public...no sales at school (which greatly affects my income ;) )

And another point people are forgetting when it comes to why pot was criminalized in the first place....let's not forget about the TEXTILE INDUSTRIES.

No shit? Almost looks like the police would be busier with pot legalized.

08-28-2002, 01:25 PM	#51
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	50 Um for the record, its illegal to smoke cigarettes in most bars in california too. You cant smoke cigaretts in public here. ;) __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

08-28-2002, 01:34 PM	#53
Beastiepoo Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a clog shop thinking about tulips Posts: 1,971	Isn't that pretty much the standard in most of the US now? Few restaraunts even have smoking sections anymore. It is heading that way in the UK now although it is a VERY slow process. I think the percentage of heavy smokers to non-smokers here is higher than in the US. Nice for those of us who don't like cigs I suppose but like I said before its hard on those who CAN'T go more than 30 mins without a smoke. One of the only downsides about moving to France (which we are seriously considering). You can smoke anywhere. No-smoking sections don't really exist (except for McDonalds and supermarkets I think). __________________ Dammit! My timing SUCKS! Hot body piercing jewellery at discounted prices - Click here! Got Goth traffic?? Make money with it at DarkPassions - Click Here!

08-28-2002, 01:50 PM	#55
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	"Statistically speaking, the U.S. Department of Health reports that alcohol-related deaths total 100,000 annually from all causes, including traffic accidents, liver disease, related violence, falls, etc. They put marijuana and other illegal drug-related fatalities at under 10,000 a year. Tobacco, by the way, is responsible for 450,000 deaths a year, according to the same agency." from this page: http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/1130.html more good reading: http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/hemp_5.shtml Last edited by cherrylula; 08-28-2002 at 02:07 PM..

08-28-2002, 02:09 PM	#56
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	And these were the arguments that made this illegal. Sounds like the same idiots who are Pro-Alcohol and AntiHerbs today. Amazing. " "Marijuana is the most violence causing drug in the history of mankind." "Most marijuana smokers are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes." " from... http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/hemp_5.shtml __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

08-28-2002, 02:23 PM	#59
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	I'm outta USA, so I don't care. And in the meanwhile... __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth

10-27-2002, 11:13 AM	#62
RockBros Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 42	Regarding the issues of smoking in public and while driving...I believe the Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement's ballot initiative -- which appears on Nevada's 2002 general election ballot addresses these issues (See item #4 below) and others in a rational well thought out manor and can be a model for other other states. It removes the threat of arrest for responsible marijuana use and punishes irresponsible use. Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement's ballot initiative "If it passes in 2002 and again in November 2004, the marijuana initiative would do four things: 1. Eliminate the threat of arrest for adults who responsibly use and possess up to three ounces of marijuana. (This is the equivalent of four packs of cigarettes.) 2. Require the state government to implement a system whereby adults could obtain marijuana through a legally regulated market, rather than from the criminal market. 3. Allow seriously ill patients to obtain marijuana at a lower cost than non-medical users. (In 1998 and again in 2000, a majority of Nevada voters passed an initiative that allows seriously ill patients to use medical marijuana, but the initiative did not provide a way for patients to purchase medical marijuana legally. The 2002 initiative would fix this problem by requiring the state government to allow patients to purchase low-cost medical marijuana through a legally regulated system.) 4. Impose common-sense restrictions that the voters demand, such as imposing penalties for driving dangerously while under the influence of marijuana, smoking marijuana in public, and providing marijuana to minors. This ballot initiative would allow the police to spend more time going after murderers, rapists, and other violent criminals, rather than wasting valuable resources hunting down tens of thousands of nonviolent marijuana users. "Nevadans for Responsible Law Enforcement" is the right name for this campaign committee. " __________________ SEX-Webmasters.com Free Adult Webmaster's Resources and Links Adult Web Police Report Illegal and/or Un-Ethical Business Practices Adult Webmaster TV Adult Webmaster TV Tune In Soon

10-27-2002, 11:23 AM	#64
eroswebmaster March 1st, 2003 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seat 4 @ Venetian Poker Room Posts: 20,295	WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! What most people don't even realize is that Nevada has gone from being one of the most strict states when it comes to marijuana possession... (anyone remember the signs from LA to Vegas said something like..."If we even find a seed in your ashtray...") now to already one of the more lenient states in the country. Medical marijuana is legal here...and possession is decriminalized to a certain extent. The most you'll get right now is a ticket Here's the rundown: NONE = NO INCARCERATION Age 21 years or over, any amount (first offense) misdemeanor none* $600 Age 21 years or over, any amount (second offense) misdemeanor none* $1,000 Age 21 years or over, any amount (third offense) misdemeanor 1 year $2,000 Age 21 years or over, any amount (fourth offense) felony 1 - 4 years $5,000 Age less than 21 years less than 1 oz (first and second offense) felony 1 - 4 years** $5,000 Age less than 21 years less than 1 oz (third offense) felony 1 - 4 years $5,00 Possible drug treatment. Probation usually granted for 1st and 2nd offenses. Medical use permitted if less than 1 oz or 3 to 4 plants. Now for those ignorant enough to think that if it's LEGALIZED this means people can smoke it in public places...you're so full of shit and just another proud member of the herd. Here's the breakdown of Nevadas question 9 which is the initiative to legalize small amounts of marijuana: 1. As used in this section, "marijuana" means a plant of the genus Cannabis or its product. 2. The use or possession of three ounces or less of marijuana by a person who has attained the age of 21 years is not cause for arrest, civil or criminal penalty, or seizure or forfeiture of assets. 3. The legislature shall provide or maintain penalties for: (a) Driving dangerously, or operating heavy machinery, while under the influence of marijuana. (b) The distribution or sale of marijuana to, and the possession or use of marijuana by, persons who have not attained the age of 21 years. (c) The smoking of marijuana in a vehicle or public place, including a publicly operated carrier of passengers, a public park, or a place where gaming is permitted. (d) The distribution, sale, possession, or use of marijuana on the premises of a jail, prison, or public school. Take notice...your children will be safe...lol No smoking in public...no sales at school (which greatly affects my income ;) ) And another point people are forgetting when it comes to why pot was criminalized in the first place....let's not forget about the TEXTILE INDUSTRIES. __________________ For rent - ICQ 127-027-910 Click here for more details* Last edited by eroswebmaster; 10-27-2002 at 11:28 AM..