Pres. Bush, a bigger terrorist than Osama bin Laden.... - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

D · 06-16-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE

Not saying it never happened (or happens) but such acts were (and are) generally regarded by most to be "bad form".

Hell, we didn't even try to kill Hitler directly. During WWII it was an open secret that Adolf spent nearly all his time either in his East Prussian military HQ or in his house in the mountains. So what did we do? We bombed the shit out of his cities but we didn't drop even so much as one bomb anywhere near him until the last two or three months of the war.

Interestingly enough it was JFK and his ceaseless attempts to get rid if Castro that changed the rules for awhile and some would suggest that the manner in which Kennedy subsequently departed from this mortal coil was no coincidence.

Yeah - it's certainly bad form... I was only saying that it happens, and should be expected as a tactic against us, as it's one we employ ourselves - despite our official stance.

And I don't think it should be regarded personally - even if it results in the realization that good will has not been reciprocated.

I still remember my 9th grade History teacher saying "Assassination is the ultimate form of 'political commentary'."

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Originally Posted by GregE

I don't know about that. Have you seen Bush Junior's approval ratings lately?

The fact that we've been brought to this point by the American people is what concerns me most.

We're starting to get back on track, but I, for one, feel like I've been holding my breath for the last 6 or 7 years.... and there's still a bunch of sheep out there.

According to a news documentary I recently caught online, over half of the people that watch Fox news still think Iraq had something to do with 9/11. That's a sheep-incarnated citizenry right there, imho.

DaddyHalbucks · 06-16-2007, 02:06 PM

9/ 11 and Iraq may not be directly related, but they are generally related. Saddam's Iraq exported terror, invaded its neighbors, murdered hundreds of thousands of its own people, stiffled dissent, and stockpiled WMDs.

Democracies do not export terror, and a democratic Middle East is what GWB is trying to build.

GWB is much like Ronald Reagan who was trying to defeat communism and totalitarianism in the USSR. Islamic fascism is the new totalitarianism, and it threatens the world.

So what if Saddam was vanilla terrorism and Al Qaeda is chocolate terrorism.

Wake the fuck up!

GITZINGER · 06-16-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

9/ 11 and Iraq may not be directly related, but they are generally related. Saddam's Iraq exported terror, invaded its neighbors, murdered hundreds of thousands of its own people, stiffled dissent, and stockpiled WMDs.

Democracies do not export terror, and a democratic Middle East is what GWB is trying to build.

GWB is much like Ronald Reagan who was trying to defeat communism and totalitarianism in the USSR. Islamic fascism is the new totalitarianism, and it threatens the world.

So what if Saddam was vanilla terrorism and Al Qaeda is chocolate terrorism.

Wake the fuck up!

stickyfingerz · 06-16-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GITZINGER

Another thing on the news a couple of weeks ago:

for 4 years now (ever since the war started) Iraq has been missing approx. 100,000 barrels of oil A DAY!! No one knows where it is going to. They actually said " U.S. officials think it is a few corrupt Oil Ministry officials"

Yeah, they're stealing 100,000 barrels of oil a day in their little cars or on the backs of camels!!!

Now the following is not a fact, just an educated guess....Halliburton anyone?

You realize Halliburton is NOT an oil company right? And they do not sell or produce oil right? You do realize that right???? Btw do you have a link to this so called information?

GITZINGER · 06-16-2007, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

You realize Halliburton is NOT an oil company right? And they do not sell or produce oil right? You do realize that right???? Btw do you have a link to this so called information?

Yeah genius, I know that, they are however a "we can do it all" company that is Huge on transportation. You do realize that right?????

I saw it on CNN, however here is an article from a florida newspaper:

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb...05/-1/Help0530

TheLegacy · 06-16-2007, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GITZINGER

Just realized as I was driving home tonight that Bush started a war that had nothing to do with what happened on 9/11. (Iraq may have had an asshole for a leader, but he had nothing to do with that day, and harbored no terrorists. That's a fact. They also had no WMD's and were no direct threat to the U.S.) And now, the Iraq war has killed more americans than Osama bin Laden did on September the 11th, 2001.

As of last week, the U.S. death toll in Iraq was 3500.

That makes him more deadly to U.S citizens than any terrorist organization.

No matter what anyone thinks or says, those are the facts, and that is pretty fucking sad.

wow.. really not sure what to say on this - its really stretching the definition I think

IllTestYourGirls · 06-16-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GITZINGER

I'll let Cheney answer this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iovdIiSE8T8

And to break the cycle of lies that this administration would have you believe:
you said:
"Bush did not kill those troops, terrorists did.
The same terrorists that would be trying to get into the USA if our troops were not in the front lines drawing them to a battle were we are losing very few people and they are losing a lot"

And this is the cycle of lies that Bush people tell themselves. THERE WERE NO AL QAEDA TERRORISTS IN IRAQ BEFORE BUSH INVADED. His advisors that have since quit his cabinet, warned him that he, Bush, would turn Iraq into a terrorist haven if he invaded and that's exactly what happened. Those U.S. soldiers would not have been killed had we never invaded Iraq, try and get that thru your head.

You can not prove that they never would have been killed. Not all terrorist are AQ. And there were AQ in iraq before he invaded.

It is not a terrorist haven by any stretch of the imagination. They are being killed by the 1000s. Simple minds could not grasp what he is doing in Iraq, and they still can't.

GITZINGER · 06-16-2007, 05:45 PM

"You can not prove that they never would have been killed."

That pretty much sums up your entire arguement.

Porn Farmer · 06-16-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Have you ever studied history?

The US did not start the war with Japan. Have you heard of Pearl Harbor?

When did Iraq start a war with you ya dumb shit?

You invaded them.

Jesus Christ you're one dumb mothefucker.

Porn Farmer · 06-16-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

9/ 11 and Iraq may not be directly related, but they are generally related. Saddam's Iraq exported terror, invaded its neighbors, murdered hundreds of thousands of its own people, stiffled dissent, and stockpiled WMDs.

Ummmm... dickhead..... where are these stockpiled WMD?

Exported terror? How?

directfiesta · 06-16-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

9/ 11 and Iraq may not be directly related, but they are generally related. Saddam's Iraq exported terror, invaded its neighbors, murdered hundreds of thousands of its own people, stiffled dissent, and stockpiled WMDs.

US is doing that now in Iraq .... only difference, it murders foreign brown people, but gets its own to pay for it ....

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Democracies do not export terror, and a democratic Middle East is what GWB is trying to build.

What do you call 155 000 invasion troops in Iraq .... Seems like terror to me ( and I will pass on the " shock and Awe episode " ....

DaddyHalbucks · 06-16-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer

When did Iraq start a war with you ya dumb shit?

You invaded them.

Jesus Christ you're one dumb mothefucker.

Iraq invade Kuwait, and Iraq never complied with the terms of the cease fire. Iraq never disarmed, for years it played games with the UN weapons inspectors.

Stop name calling, it only makes your position look weak.

DaddyHalbucks · 06-16-2007, 09:58 PM

The fact that Al Qaeda and Hezbollah has flocked to Iraq only proves what GWB has said right along, that Iraq is a vital piece of real estate to influence the dynamics of the Middle East.

DaddyHalbucks · 06-16-2007, 10:00 PM

"A United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) on weapons was established, to monitor Iraq's compliance with restrictions on weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. Iraq accepted some and refused other weapons inspections. The team found some evidence of biological weapons programs at one site and non-compliance at many other sites.

In 1997, Iraq expelled all U.S. members of the inspection team, alleging that the United States was using the inspections as a front for espionage; members of UNSCOM were in regular contact with various intelligence agencies to provide information on weapons sites back and forth. The team returned for an even more turbulent time period between 1997 and 1999; one member of the weapons inspection team, U.S. Marine Scott Ritter, resigned in 1998, alleging that the Clinton administration was blocking investigations because they did not want a full-scale confrontation with Iraq."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

GatorB · 06-16-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The fact that Al Qaeda and Hezbollah has flocked to Iraq only proves what GWB has said right along, that Iraq is a vital piece of real estate to influence the dynamics of the Middle East.

If Hussein was still in power those groups would not be In Iraq right now. FACT. Instead of fighting a war in Afghanistan and Iraq we should have sent more troops to Afghanistan and finished the job there first. You do realize we are still fighting in Afghanistan 5 1/2 after we first invaded. You think if we had those 180,000 troops in Afghanistan that we'd still have to be there? Do you think Osama would still be on the loose? That the Taliban would still be a thorn in our side there? Of course not.

It's clear what Bush was planning all along. Look at a map, Afghanistan is on one side of Iran and Iraq is on the other. The original goal was to invade Iran. But things in Afghanistan and Iraq didn't happen as Bush thought they would.

GITZINGER · 06-17-2007, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

"A United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) on weapons was established, to monitor Iraq's compliance with restrictions on weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. Iraq accepted some and refused other weapons inspections. The team found some evidence of biological weapons programs at one site and non-compliance at many other sites.

In 1997, Iraq expelled all U.S. members of the inspection team, alleging that the United States was using the inspections as a front for espionage; members of UNSCOM were in regular contact with various intelligence agencies to provide information on weapons sites back and forth. The team returned for an even more turbulent time period between 1997 and 1999; one member of the weapons inspection team, U.S. Marine Scott Ritter, resigned in 1998, alleging that the Clinton administration was blocking investigations because they did not want a full-scale confrontation with Iraq."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

In case you didn't know, wikipedia is not a really good factual source. my 10 year old niece can make up facts and put them in there.

Either way, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and George bush has killed more americans that Osama bin Laden/Al Qaeda. That's a fact you cannot dispute. So try and stick to the topic at hand.

spanky part 2 · 06-17-2007, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

The fact that Al Qaeda and Hezbollah has flocked to Iraq only proves what GWB has said right along, that Iraq is a vital piece of real estate to influence the dynamics of the Middle East.

Nope. It just means that Bush had no idea what he was doing, and neither did his administration. If I remember the saying "We will be greeted as liberators."

All he has done is turned the middle east upside down, and made Iran a bigger player. They know that we are stretched to the limit, and have no recourse if they do anything.

We have been at war since he is in office, and nothing has gone right. Just accept that he is the biggest fuck up that has ever held the office of president.

spanky part 2 · 06-17-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

9/ 11 and Iraq may not be directly related, but they are generally related. Saddam's Iraq exported terror, invaded its neighbors, murdered hundreds of thousands of its own people, stiffled dissent, and stockpiled WMDs.

Democracies do not export terror, and a democratic Middle East is what GWB is trying to build.

GWB is much like Ronald Reagan who was trying to defeat communism and totalitarianism in the USSR. Islamic fascism is the new totalitarianism, and it threatens the world.

So what if Saddam was vanilla terrorism and Al Qaeda is chocolate terrorism.

Wake the fuck up!

9-11 and Iraq have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other except in your 10¢ head.

Comparing GWB and Reagan is like comparing Einstein to a retard.

steved · 06-17-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

You realize Halliburton is NOT an oil company right? And they do not sell or produce oil right? You do realize that right???? Btw do you have a link to this so called information?

Yes, they just make their money off of everything else...

IllTestYourGirls · 06-17-2007, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer

Ummmm... dickhead..... where are these stockpiled WMD?

Exported terror? How?

He paid the families of suicide bombers.

spanky part 2 · 06-17-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

He paid the families of suicide bombers.

In Palestine, not really in our area. Try and come up with something a little closer to home.

DaddyHalbucks · 06-17-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky part 2

In Palestine, not really in our area. Try and come up with something a little closer to home.

If you want something closer to home, feel free to post your own home address here, maybe Islamic radicals read GFY.

DaddyHalbucks · 06-17-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

If Hussein was still in power those groups would not be In Iraq right now. FACT.

Having Saddam Hussein in power would be a good thing? Is that what you are saying? He is universally viewed as a tyrant, mass murderer, psychopath, and criminal.

Why would you trade one bad situation for another? Makes no sense!

See the job through, and finish the nation building job we began. That's the right move. Sorry it has to come at a cost.

Rebuilding Europe after WWII didn't happen overnight either.

DaddyHalbucks · 06-17-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GITZINGER

In case you didn't know, wikipedia is not a really good factual source. my 10 year old niece can make up facts and put them in there.

Don't just impugn the integrity of Wikipedia, show and prove what facts are incorrect. Or, STFU!

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Originally Posted by GITZINGER

Either way, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and George bush has killed more americans that Osama bin Laden/Al Qaeda. That's a fact you cannot dispute. So try and stick to the topic at hand.

Pure rubbish. Are you aware of how many terrorist plots there have been since 9/ 11? Are you also aware that virtually all of those plots have been rooted out by Bush's war on terror? Open your eyes!

spanky part 2 · 06-17-2007, 11:20 AM

"He is universally viewed as a tyrant, mass murderer, psychopath, and criminal."

That would be our president you are talking about.

"See the job through, and finish the nation building job we began. That's the right move. Sorry it has to come at a cost."

Lets send you to finish it. You seem to have all the answers. Seriously, we should have been finishing the job in afghanistan. That is where the guys who attacked us came from.

"Rebuilding Europe after WWII didn't happen overnight either."

It was also done by many nations, not just one. Comparing this Iraq war with WW2 just shows what a fool you are.

spanky part 2 · 06-17-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

If you want something closer to home, feel free to post your own home address here, maybe Islamic radicals read GFY.

Already been there. Lived next to the WTC when your president didn't act on the intel he had. I blame him and his administration for everything. My perspective is a little different as I lived it while you watched it on tv.

GITZINGER · 06-17-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Don't just impugn the integrity of Wikipedia, show and prove what facts are incorrect. Or, STFU!

Nice,

...if you have no facts, tell people to STFU. Ignorant people always resort to this type of arguement in place of actual facts and discussion.

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Pure rubbish. Are you aware of how many terrorist plots there have been since 9/ 11? Are you also aware that virtually all of those plots have been rooted out by Bush's war on terror? Open your eyes!

how many? Please fill me with your wisdom...you don't know, do you? We've spent billions in Iraq, 10 times more than we've spent in Afganistan going after the people that actually had something to do with 9/11 and since we spent all that money over there, Our ports and borders are no more secure than before 9/11. Bush has done most things wrong in this "war on terror" and that is why he and the country are where they are now.

AND the fact still remains, Bush has killed more American Citizens on a war that had nothing to do with 9/11 than Al Qaeda has. Try and refute that!!

Michaelious · 06-17-2007, 12:26 PM

You just realised that while driving home today?

GatorB · 06-17-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Rebuilding Europe after WWII didn't happen overnight either.

My grandfather fought in the European theater in WWII please don't disparage his and his brethrens efforts then trying to compare that to this war.

spanky part 2 · 06-17-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

My grandfather fought in the European theater in WWII please don't disparage his and his brethrens efforts then trying to compare that to this war.

Exactly!

GITZINGER · 06-17-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

My grandfather fought in the European theater in WWII please don't disparage his and his brethrens efforts then trying to compare that to this war.

Mine too, thank you.

IllTestYourGirls · 06-17-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

My grandfather fought in the European theater in WWII please don't disparage his and his brethrens efforts then trying to compare that to this war.

When did Hitler attack the US again? Oh and pre-war polls said that 90++% of Americans did not want to go to war with Germany.

I am just say.... No disrespect to your grandfather or my grandfathers (both fought in WW2)

GatorB · 06-17-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Having Saddam Hussein in power would be a good thing? Is that what you are saying? He is universally viewed as a tyrant, mass murderer, psychopath, and criminal.

Why would you trade one bad situation for another? Makes no sense!

We'll Bush doesn't seem to mind that that 1.3 billion Chinese are living under a dicatatorship. China executes more people than any other country. People are thrown in jail for years even decades for speaking out against the government. N Korea, Iran, half of Africa are all under evil dictators. I guess they are less worthy of freedom. So using the "we did it for freedom" cheer is bullshit. And as it turns out both Iran and N Korea were the parts of the "Axis of Evil" that actually had WMDs. Also Iran has had more to do with terrorist attacks against the US over the last 30 years and Iraq. I guess the youngsters here are too young to remember than Iran held over 50 American hostage for 444 days. And was behind many terrorist acts in the 1980's that killed many Americans. There were a few American that were kidnaped by terrorists and held for as long as 7 years and Iran had a part in that too.

By the way our buddies the Russians still have thousands of nuclear missles still aimed at American cities.

GatorB · 06-17-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

When did Hitler attack the US again? Oh and pre-war polls said that 90++% of Americans did not want to go to war with Germany.

Hitler delcared War on America after we declared war on Japan. Sorry but when someone like Hitler says "I delcare war on you" I'm thinking they have intentions of attacking.

About that 90% what was the % after Pearl Harbor? Once the war got going was it 90% for "no war"? Nope just the opposite.

Germans subs sank many American ships before we even got in the war. Germans subs were just a few miles off the coast of America for most of the war. In fact some German spies actually made it onto Florida beaches.

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DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	The fact that Al Qaeda and Hezbollah has flocked to Iraq only proves what GWB has said right along, that Iraq is a vital piece of real estate to influence the dynamics of the Middle East. __________________ Boner Money

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DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	"A United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) on weapons was established, to monitor Iraq's compliance with restrictions on weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. Iraq accepted some and refused other weapons inspections. The team found some evidence of biological weapons programs at one site and non-compliance at many other sites. In 1997, Iraq expelled all U.S. members of the inspection team, alleging that the United States was using the inspections as a front for espionage; members of UNSCOM were in regular contact with various intelligence agencies to provide information on weapons sites back and forth. The team returned for an even more turbulent time period between 1997 and 1999; one member of the weapons inspection team, U.S. Marine Scott Ritter, resigned in 1998, alleging that the Clinton administration was blocking investigations because they did not want a full-scale confrontation with Iraq." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War __________________ Boner Money

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spanky part 2 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,981	"He is universally viewed as a tyrant, mass murderer, psychopath, and criminal." That would be our president you are talking about. "See the job through, and finish the nation building job we began. That's the right move. Sorry it has to come at a cost." Lets send you to finish it. You seem to have all the answers. Seriously, we should have been finishing the job in afghanistan. That is where the guys who attacked us came from. "Rebuilding Europe after WWII didn't happen overnight either." It was also done by many nations, not just one. Comparing this Iraq war with WW2 just shows what a fool you are.