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The Duck · 07-19-2007, 11:56 AM

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...070509-12.html

A very scary document, I just read it. There you have it, on the governments own site. All they need now is another 911 to take control, let their trained blackwater troops fulfil the orders they have already been given, round up people to put in secret prisons that have already been built.

The world is in for a fun time ahead, are you ready?

Dollarmansteve · 07-19-2007, 12:00 PM

this has been posted before and obviously you don't understand this document and what it's purpose is AT ALL.

Feel free to continue to live in fear.

The Duck · 07-19-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

this has been posted before and obviously you don't understand this document and what it's purpose is AT ALL.

Feel free to continue to live in fear.

Right back at you. I dont live in fear at all see I will be far away when the brown stuff hits the spinning propeller.

Rochard · 07-19-2007, 12:35 PM

Whatever. Our government has back up plan for back up plans in the event something huge happens.

We also have plans to invade Mexico and Cananda if we ever need it. Don't laugh; Didn't we fight Mexico once already?

Quagmire · 07-19-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Whatever. Our government has back up plan for back up plans in the event something huge happens.

We also have plans to invade Mexico and Cananda if we ever need it. Don't laugh; Didn't we fight Mexico once already?

Just admit it, you guys don't play well with others. You bickered with Canada as well.

StuartD · 07-19-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

Just admit it, you guys don't play well with others. You bickered with Canada as well.

I believe Canada came out "on top" too

GatorB · 07-19-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

this has been posted before and obviously you don't understand this document and what it's purpose is AT ALL.

Feel free to continue to live in fear.

It's Bush that wants us to loive in fear. That's why he feels like he can dow hat he does. He convicnes the ignorant masses that boogiemen are everywhere and are going to kill us unless we give up our freedom. Sorry I'll take the extra risk and have my freedoms back please.

Dollarmansteve · 07-19-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

It's Bush that wants us to loive in fear. That's why he feels like he can dow hat he does. He convicnes the ignorant masses that boogiemen are everywhere and are going to kill us unless we give up our freedom. Sorry I'll take the extra risk and have my freedoms back please.

The document has absolutely nothing to do with infringing on freedoms, etc.

If anyone actually reads and understands it, they will see that it is a directive to the various administrative branches of the government to do the following:

- have continuity of operation plans to ensure continuity of goverment during times of extreme catastrophe - including communications, geographic dispersal of leadership, etc
- have plans to ensure that the general populace feels confident in the government and the economy

the goal of these plans is to ensure that necessary services and functions of the government can continue even in the most extreme catastrophes.

So, if the president telling the administrative branches to have plans to ensure their continued operation during catasrophe is "scary" then.. ya i guess it's a "scary" document. Or, it's just a government doing it's due dilligence and being a bureauracy.

modelscanada · 07-19-2007, 05:49 PM

what did they do?

The Duck · 07-20-2007, 05:20 AM

This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.

Bold part = A dictator will rule

"Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions

In the case of a new 911, the directive will be implented.

The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination.

I dont think I need to comment on that one.

Vital resources, facilities, and records must be safeguarded, and official access to them must be provided.

They can take your house if they deem it a "vital facility" and take your possessions if they think it is a "vital resource."

Provision must be made for the identification, training, and preparedness of personnel capable of relocating to alternate facilities to support the continuation of the performance of PMEFs.

This one is just scary, sounds like a draft to me.

Revocation. Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 ("Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"), including all Annexes thereto, is hereby revoked.

Read that directive and see what they are revoking.

Also read what powers the The Secretary of Homeland Security will have under point 16.

Come on now, isnt it obvious what this directive is for?

posh rat in hell · 07-20-2007, 06:52 AM

thank god we've only got about a year left.

Grapesoda · 07-20-2007, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Whatever. Our government has back up plan for back up plans in the event something huge happens.

We also have plans to invade Mexico and Cananda if we ever need it. Don't laugh; Didn't we fight Mexico once already?

canada too I belive

FakeNick · 07-20-2007, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by posh rat in hell

thank god we've only got about a year left.

unless there is another attack and elections are deemed harmful at a time of war

ContentSHOOTER · 07-20-2007, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Wanton

canada too I belive

Yeah and the lost that one

Dollarmansteve · 07-20-2007, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kandah

This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.

Bold part = A dictator will rule

"Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions

In the case of a new 911, the directive will be implented.

The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination.

I dont think I need to comment on that one.

Vital resources, facilities, and records must be safeguarded, and official access to them must be provided.

They can take your house if they deem it a "vital facility" and take your possessions if they think it is a "vital resource."

Provision must be made for the identification, training, and preparedness of personnel capable of relocating to alternate facilities to support the continuation of the performance of PMEFs.

This one is just scary, sounds like a draft to me.

Revocation. Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 ("Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"), including all Annexes thereto, is hereby revoked.

Read that directive and see what they are revoking.

Also read what powers the The Secretary of Homeland Security will have under point 16.

Come on now, isnt it obvious what this directive is for?

lol, you're retarded. Gimme a second and I'll give a point by point breakdown of said retardedness.

Dollarmansteve · 07-20-2007, 07:31 AM

[QUOTE=kandah]This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.

Bold part = A dictator will rule

[/QUOTE=kandah]

??

No, it says that there will be one person that the heads of the different branches of government will report to with their continuity plans, who will in turn report to the office of president. You know, this is kind of like a "manager" or "senior vice president" at a company who reports to the CEO.

[QUOTE=kandah]

"Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions

In the case of a new 911, the directive will be implented.

[/QUOTE=kandah]

What's your point - do you not want the government to continue to operate during catastrophe? Would you rather have mass hysteria?

[QUOTE=kandah]
The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination.

I dont think I need to comment on that one.

[/QUOTE=kandah]

Yes, please don't - because the amount of idiocy coming from you is making my brain hurt.

[QUOTE=kandah]
Vital resources, facilities, and records must be safeguarded, and official access to them must be provided.

They can take your house if they deem it a "vital facility" and take your possessions if they think it is a "vital resource."
[/QUOTE=kandah]

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???!?!?!?!?? I think you may be a little bit insane/paranoid.

[QUOTE=kandah]
Provision must be made for the identification, training, and preparedness of personnel capable of relocating to alternate facilities to support the continuation of the performance of PMEFs.

This one is just scary, sounds like a draft to me.
[/QUOTE=kandah]

"Personnel" meaning people who already work for the government/military that can implement continuity plans in the face of catasrophe - and are prepared and trained as such.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kandah

Revocation. Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 ("Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"), including all Annexes thereto, is hereby revoked.

Read that directive and see what they are revoking.

Also read what powers the The Secretary of Homeland Security will have under point 16.

Come on now, isnt it obvious what this directive is for?

[/QUOTE=kandah]

The only thing that is obvious is that:

- You suffer from paranoia
- You specifically lack insight with matters pertaining to government
- You may, in fact, only have access to a small %age of your brain function

Rochard · 07-20-2007, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

Just admit it, you guys don't play well with others. You bickered with Canada as well.

This is true. I'm still waiting for the day when the US moves to liberate our northern brothers. After we invade Canada we'l just call it "Northern Montana".

pornguy · 07-20-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Whatever. Our government has back up plan for back up plans in the event something huge happens.

We also have plans to invade Mexico and Cananda if we ever need it. Don't laugh; Didn't we fight Mexico once already?

Yeah, but this time it will be easier.
Just bring some tequila and limes, and they will welcome you with open arms. They would become US citizens.

The Duck · 07-20-2007, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

The only thing that is obvious is that:

- You suffer from paranoia
- You specifically lack insight with matters pertaining to government
- You may, in fact, only have access to a small %age of your brain function

Aah, the good old brainwashed fox news tactic, namecalling. What you dont understand is that the directive was written by an organized crime syndicate that just happens to run the most powerful nation on the planet. Do you think they will use it for the best of humanity? Close your eyes and go back to the gerbil wheel.

Dollarmansteve · 07-20-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kandah

Aah, the good old brainwashed fox news tactic, namecalling. What you dont understand is that the directive was written by an organized crime syndicate that just happens to run the most powerful nation on the planet. Do you think they will use it for the best of humanity? Close your eyes and go back to the gerbil wheel.

what does fox news have to do with anything. Im Canadian, I've never seen fox news in my life and I really don't give a fuck about US politics.

I am educated, however, and have a keen interest in psychology and the reasons why people hold certain beliefs.

It appears that your beliefs about government, etc are as deeply held and irrational as those of a religious zealot or any other similar extremist. You lack objectivity and you reflect a bizarre set of contructs onto the things you read - specifically about government.

The irony of you trying to pigeon hole me into some predefined 'out-group' (eg. anyone who doesn't share your warped world view) is laughable and is based on the same kind of ignorance you claim to be against.

Linkster · 07-20-2007, 09:55 AM

These types of documents (the directives for continuity) have been around since the Cold War in case of a Russian attack etc. - the difference in this one that has a lot of scholars and even some at the NIE (a very conservative think tank) a little upset is that it assigns the power of coordination of a constitutional government to the president to ensuer the separation of powers - the problem is that by assigning one of the three wings as the overall coordinator you have already taken away the separation of powers act - which is why in the past that responsibility has always been with the head of FEMA.
The major reason it is a problem if you follow the separation of powers issue is that the president has also recently designated himself the head of the military without oversight of congress (he always is the commander in chief - but that was with congress required to give him the power to conduct a war - he bypassed that requirement in Iraq)
The last part of this is that this also authorizes the president to use the military inside the US homeland - which is again not only against the Constitution, it violates all states constitutions - which is why there was so much delay in using them during Katrina - they basically had to get the Governor to authorize the use in La.

directfiesta · 07-20-2007, 10:04 AM

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." ?Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

Linkster · 07-20-2007, 11:42 AM

Interestingly I just happened accross this from some old-line Republicans that are a little scared of what the current leaders are doing as well:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Oldlin...ks_0719. html

I should have also brought up that there is a much more ominous Directive that came out in the last few days that basically completed the triangle for the "police state" using the siezure of assets power that the President has given himself - without any oversight from congress or the judicial branch. I believe that new Presidential Order is from July 17th and should be available on the white house site

The Duck · 07-21-2007, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

what does fox news have to do with anything. Im Canadian, I've never seen fox news in my life and I really don't give a fuck about US politics.

I am educated, however, and have a keen interest in psychology and the reasons why people hold certain beliefs.

It appears that your beliefs about government, etc are as deeply held and irrational as those of a religious zealot or any other similar extremist. You lack objectivity and you reflect a bizarre set of contructs onto the things you read - specifically about government.

The irony of you trying to pigeon hole me into some predefined 'out-group' (eg. anyone who doesn't share your warped world view) is laughable and is based on the same kind of ignorance you claim to be against.

Nice analysis Steve, however, I live in the real world, think for myself and make my own conclusions about the reality manifesting around me. Just because I hold certain beliefs does not mean I am not right. The evidence is on my side.

I put you in the "fox news" folder because you use the same rhetoric as I have heard so many times before from brainwashed americans. I suggest you do a little more research beyond this directive to see what is really going on on our planet at this point in time. Its not pretty.

pocketkangaroo · 07-21-2007, 05:27 AM

I think Bush is a fuck up and a scary dude, but you've basically misinterpreted every line of that directive.

It's funny that you call everyone "brainwashed Fox News watchers", yet you just pull all your beliefs off conspiracy sites.

The Duck · 07-21-2007, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I think Bush is a fuck up and a scary dude, but you've basically misinterpreted every line of that directive.

It's funny that you call everyone "brainwashed Fox News watchers", yet you just pull all your beliefs off conspiracy sites.

Conspiracy sites? I tend to look at things and draw my own conclusions based on whatever evidence is avalible.

07-19-2007, 11:56 AM	#1
The Duck Adult Content Provider Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 18,243	Presidential directive 51 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...070509-12.html A very scary document, I just read it. There you have it, on the governments own site. All they need now is another 911 to take control, let their trained blackwater troops fulfil the orders they have already been given, round up people to put in secret prisons that have already been built. The world is in for a fun time ahead, are you ready? __________________ Skype Horusmaia ICQ 41555245 Email [email protected]

07-19-2007, 12:00 PM	#2
Dollarmansteve Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,849	this has been posted before and obviously you don't understand this document and what it's purpose is AT ALL. Feel free to continue to live in fear. __________________ I died.

07-19-2007, 12:35 PM	#4
Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 73,673	Whatever. Our government has back up plan for back up plans in the event something huge happens. We also have plans to invade Mexico and Cananda if we ever need it. Don't laugh; Didn't we fight Mexico once already? __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

07-20-2007, 05:20 AM	#10
The Duck Adult Content Provider Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 18,243	This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency. Bold part = A dictator will rule "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions In the case of a new 911, the directive will be implented. The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government. In order to advise and assist the President in that function, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism (APHS/CT) is hereby designated as the National Continuity Coordinator. The National Continuity Coordinator, in coordination with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (APNSA), without exercising directive authority, shall coordinate the development and implementation of continuity policy for executive departments and agencies. The Continuity Policy Coordination Committee (CPCC), chaired by a Senior Director from the Homeland Security Council staff, designated by the National Continuity Coordinator, shall be the main day-to-day forum for such policy coordination. I dont think I need to comment on that one. Vital resources, facilities, and records must be safeguarded, and official access to them must be provided. They can take your house if they deem it a "vital facility" and take your possessions if they think it is a "vital resource." Provision must be made for the identification, training, and preparedness of personnel capable of relocating to alternate facilities to support the continuation of the performance of PMEFs. This one is just scary, sounds like a draft to me. Revocation. Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 ("Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations"), including all Annexes thereto, is hereby revoked. Read that directive and see what they are revoking. Also read what powers the The Secretary of Homeland Security will have under point 16. Come on now, isnt it obvious what this directive is for? __________________ Skype Horusmaia ICQ 41555245 Email [email protected]

07-20-2007, 09:55 AM	#21
Linkster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DeltaHell Posts: 3,216	These types of documents (the directives for continuity) have been around since the Cold War in case of a Russian attack etc. - the difference in this one that has a lot of scholars and even some at the NIE (a very conservative think tank) a little upset is that it assigns the power of coordination of a constitutional government to the president to ensuer the separation of powers - the problem is that by assigning one of the three wings as the overall coordinator you have already taken away the separation of powers act - which is why in the past that responsibility has always been with the head of FEMA. The major reason it is a problem if you follow the separation of powers issue is that the president has also recently designated himself the head of the military without oversight of congress (he always is the commander in chief - but that was with congress required to give him the power to conduct a war - he bypassed that requirement in Iraq) The last part of this is that this also authorizes the president to use the military inside the US homeland - which is again not only against the Constitution, it violates all states constitutions - which is why there was so much delay in using them during Katrina - they basically had to get the Governor to authorize the use in La. __________________ Porn Links Crak for your bank account - Get Addicted FREE LIVE CAM SHOWS

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modelscanada Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 31	what did they do?

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posh rat in hell Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 403	thank god we've only got about a year left.

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directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Punta Cana, DR Posts: 29,591	"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." ?Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000 __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

07-20-2007, 11:42 AM	#23
Linkster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DeltaHell Posts: 3,216	Interestingly I just happened accross this from some old-line Republicans that are a little scared of what the current leaders are doing as well: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Oldlin...ks_0719. html I should have also brought up that there is a much more ominous Directive that came out in the last few days that basically completed the triangle for the "police state" using the siezure of assets power that the President has given himself - without any oversight from congress or the judicial branch. I believe that new Presidential Order is from July 17th and should be available on the white house site __________________ Porn Links Crak for your bank account - Get Addicted FREE LIVE CAM SHOWS

07-21-2007, 05:27 AM	#25
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I think Bush is a fuck up and a scary dude, but you've basically misinterpreted every line of that directive. It's funny that you call everyone "brainwashed Fox News watchers", yet you just pull all your beliefs off conspiracy sites.