Jesus never existed + 911 was an inside job - MUST SEE DOCUMENTARY

[donkevlar]

Zeitgeist. Crazy shit. You MUST watch it.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Don't get all "shut up conspiracy nut" unless you watch the film.

Zeitgeist was created as a not for profit expression to inspire people to start looking at the world from a more critical perspective and to understand that very often things are not what the population at large think they are. The information in Zeitgeist was established over a year long period of research and the current Source page on this site lists the sources used / referenced. Soon, an interactive transcript will be online with detailed footnotes and links.

[BoyAlley]

I agree about Jesus, the 9/11 thing is conspiracy nut fodder though.

As if this government, and this president, could have pulled off something like that?

[donkevlar]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I agree about Jesus, the 9/11 thing is conspiracy nut fodder though.

As if this government, and this president, could have pulled off something like that?

Pleeeease watch the movie! Really.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by donkevlar

Zeitgeist. Crazy shit. You MUST watch it.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Don't get all "shut up conspiracy nut" unless you watch the film.

Zeitgeist was created as a not for profit expression to inspire people to start looking at the world from a more critical perspective and to understand that very often things are not what the population at large think they are. The information in Zeitgeist was established over a year long period of research and the current Source page on this site lists the sources used / referenced. Soon, an interactive transcript will be online with detailed footnotes and links.

hahaha... 2000 years of history, endless documents and documentation and billions of people are wrong because some jackass created a "documentary" on how to "seek and know the truth"

uhhhmmmmm.... ok.

[donkevlar]

Again, just watch the fucking thing and stop being wet underpants.

[techtony]

actually during that time period jesus was not an unheard of name and the time line in the bible puts jesus' life time at different points in time. something like a span of 300 years, not sure exactly off the top of my head.

[Scootermuze]

Originally Posted by donkevlar

Again, just watch the fucking thing and stop being wet underpants.

yeh you.... you... wet underpants you!

[Dirty Dane]

Its so fucking retarded. I bet Bin Laden and his cavebuddies are laughing rolling on floor @ conspiracy theorists. They wanted us to act as idiots. They got it.

[donkevlar]

I'm going to keep bumping this until you watch the damn film.

Why does everyone have to make their little comments when they haven't seen what i'm talking about and don't know what the film contains?

I'll say it again.... JUST WATCH IT. PLEASE.

Then... AFTER you watch it, come here in this thread and discuss.

MMMMKAY?

I feel like Bill Hicks yelling at a bunch of dumb rednecks.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by donkevlar

I'm going to keep bumping this until you watch the damn film.

Why does everyone have to make their little comments when they haven't seen what i'm talking about and don't know what the film contains?

I'll say it again.... JUST WATCH IT. PLEASE.

Then... AFTER you watch it, come here in this thread and discuss.

MMMMKAY?

I feel like Bill Hicks yelling at a bunch of dumb rednecks.

bill hicks died because he was a sinner

[Big_D]

im tired of this consipiracy shit, lets get back to work

[notabook]

Of course Jesus existed, and he was black:

[pocketkangaroo]

First, the 9/11 shit is just nutjob stuff so I'll skip over it.

The religous stuff was interesting, but they screwed up a lot of facts. The Horus/Set story is bullshit and had nothing to do with the Sun rising and setting. There were also a few other religous leaders that they stated had similar characteristics to Jesus but are simply not true. The documentary also plays on a lot of words such as the M in Mary which simply wouldn't have meant the same thing in ancient times. Still, it's interesting to hear about the astrology. It isn't news that Christianity was built heavily on Pagan traditions.

But the part about Jesus being fake is really a theory that has been disputed by almost all historians. While most agree that the stories of walking on water and stuff are sheer bullshit, almost every scholar believes he existed and had a following.

The 1st part is an interesting documentary and brings up some real points. But it also has so much misinformation that it's hard to take it as credible. If they had put more research behind it, it could have been a fantastic piece.

[D-Money]

I'm the chosen one.

[GhengisBong]

thanks for posting

[The Duck]

There is no use posting stuff like this on GFY because 99% of the users here are brainwashed, fox news loving - stupid americans. Yes, you heard me, stupid americans because man, some of you really are the dumbest most gullible fucks alive on this planet today.

[jjj12]

Simply amazing. This is stuff you won't see on TV. Watch it in one go!

[HomerSimpson]

seen it... it's good one and I think that it's most likely to be truth than the Bush, FBI and CNN version of the story....

PS: this video was #1 at Google videos last year for few weeks...

[IllTestYourGirls]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

But the part about Jesus being fake is really a theory that has been disputed by almost all historians. While most agree that the stories of walking on water and stuff are sheer bullshit, almost every scholar believes he existed and had a following.

The 1st part is an interesting documentary and brings up some real points. But it also has so much misinformation that it's hard to take it as credible. If they had put more research behind it, it could have been a fantastic piece.

Most agree because they have to. There is no proof that Jesus lived at all.

More likely Jesus was more than one person mashed into one.

[CurrentlySober]

Well, I went to take a look, and thought '2 Hours?' Fuck that man, I'm busy... and so I wasn't going to bother to watch it, until i read 'I feel like Bill Hicks yelling at a bunch of dumb rednecks.'

Well that struck a chord with me, and now 2 hours later... Its just finished...

So, my opinions ? Is it right or wrong ? Do I believe it ?

Well, in all honesty... I really don't know...

But it has opened my mind, and if it does that to all who watch it, then its more than served its purpose...

Well worth two hours

THANKS !

[MohammadAhmadAliHussein]

2nd and 3rd part are what i always thought is true, especially the 3rd part and it makes sense. I love the how the 3rd part starts, living in debts! So true, if they make a dollar they can sell it for a dollar or it won't be worth it, haha amazing point. Although making a dollar doesn't cost them a dollar which also makes you wonder how accurate his argument is. But heck, it is common sense that banks are always making money, war always generates more money and yeah, no war without a purpose and no war without public backing and many shit goes on without the public knowing. Good points there.

The 1st part i disagree with, being a middle-eastern and coming from a village where an actual miracle happened, where Jesus cursed a tree to live dead for ever and never bare fruits. It's still there! Village is called Yaroun, South Lebanon. Too many facts are not discussed deep enough to convince more then the Bible does. No one human being can write such a deep and complete good book where each one who reads it can find peace and comfort, and can understand it differently. Although i don't believe in the church and its systems and the people behind it directing it, but that too was said and written in the same bible they teach us. Listen to what they say but never do what they do! Awesome!

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

Most agree because they have to. There is no proof that Jesus lived at all.

More likely Jesus was more than one person mashed into one.

Yes there was proof that Jesus lived. Besides the littany Christian writers, there were a handful of non-Christian writers that referenced him in their works. I'm not sure why biblical scholars and religous historians "have to" do anything. Most aren't religous at all and in fact view the history of religion as just that, history.

The only thing disputed are the references to Jesus in ancient writings. Some say that they aren't that reliable, while others point to some omissions of his name in certain writings. Whatever your view is on the issue, I'm simply pointing out that your opinion on him not existing is in the extreme minority of those who dedicate their lives to the historical research of religions. They believe that Jesus was in fact a man who lived and had a following, but that he was also fairly insignifigant.

[[db]]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

hahaha... 2000 years of history, endless documents and documentation and billions of people are wrong because some jackass created a "documentary" on how to "seek and know the truth"

uhhhmmmmm.... ok.

lol

yeah, some morons who lived in tents and didn't bath wrote on a piece of paper 2000 years ago that some guy was God, that makes it true. Great "documentation".

Just because billions of people are suckers, doesn't mean you're not all fucking stupid as pigs in shit.

Note: there is no proof pigs are stupid enough to believe in religion. Actually I doubt it. If animals could talk they'd all probably make run of weak minded religious folk too.

[[db]]

Originally Posted by kandah

There is no use posting stuff like this on GFY because 99% of the users here are brainwashed, fox news loving - stupid americans. Yes, you heard me, stupid americans because man, some of you really are the dumbest most gullible fucks alive on this planet today.

Well, in our defense, we have a lot more people fucking with our heads than people in other country's do. What we call a "culture" is basically just one huge mind fuck designed to manipulate us into being blood thirsty mass consumers with no independent thought, who care about nothing other than our own personal instant gratification. It's not easy to control your own mind space in this country. We're constantly bombarded by information professionally designed to manipulate us into being stupid and not questioning anything. I don't think we're any less intelligent than people in other countries. Everyone else will act the exact same way once their countries are taken over by the social engineering machine that controls us.


You know those Americans you see on TV who are like 1000 pounds and have to be taken out of their homes with a crane? Well, remember in movies like the Stepford Wives, at the begging, there's always one robot that malfunctions and kind of shows everyone how fucked up things really are, but as long as the charade is kept up, people ignore it. Those 1000 pound people are the malfunctioning robots of our fucked up mass consumption cultures, but we still have the charade of normalcy going to we continue to tell ourselves nothing is wrong.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by [db]

Note: there is no proof pigs are stupid enough to believe in religion. Actually I doubt it. If animals could talk they'd all probably make run of weak minded religious folk too.

Our belief in religion isn't a sign of our species' stupidity. It's a by-product of our ability to trust people that are older and more experienced. Natural Selection has made us this way. It makes our kids trust their parents when they are told to look both ways before crossing a street, or in primitave times, not to walk alone in the area where coyotes are at night. Eliminating our species sense to inherently believe what they are taught about a higher power would also eliminate our sense to trust those who teach us how to live.

It's not a sign of weakness, just a by-product of what millions and millions of years of natural selection has created for us.

[Porn Farmer]

Not only are there just a few highly disputed non-biblical references to Jesus but the town of Nazareth is not mentioned anywhere outside of the bible until the 4th century AD - four centuries after Jesus was supposedly born there.

[[db]]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Our belief in religion isn't a sign of our species' stupidity. It's a by-product of our ability to trust people that are older and more experienced. Natural Selection has made us this way. It makes our kids trust their parents when they are told to look both ways before crossing a street, or in primitave times, not to walk alone in the area where coyotes are at night. Eliminating our species sense to inherently believe what they are taught about a higher power would also eliminate our sense to trust those who teach us how to live.

It's not a sign of weakness, just a by-product of what millions and millions of years of natural selection has created for us.

That doesn't hold up. Yes people believe in religion because parents tell us it's true. But if we were all intelligent, no one would believe it. No parents would tell their kids about their imaginary friend who's blood we drink, etc. If we weren't stupid and weak, there never would have been a need for it.

Humans have religion because we know that we are all going to die, and we are too weak to accept it. So, we basically convince ourselves that we're immortal through the idea of religion; whether it be heaven, re-incarnation, etc. It's because we're all cowards who can't accept death.

I really don't believe that anyone truly believes in religion. Anyone, even the pope. Everyone knows it's man-made bullshit. They just convinced themselves they believe it because they're too weak to face reality.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by [db]

That doesn't hold up. Yes people believe in religion because parents tell us it's true. But if we were all intelligent, no one would believe it. No parents would tell their kids about their imaginary friend who's blood we drink, etc. If we weren't stupid and weak, there never would have been a need for it.

Humans have religion because we know that we are all going to die, and we are too weak to accept it. So, we basically convince ourselves that we're immortal through the idea of religion; whether it be heaven, re-incarnation, etc. It's because we're all cowards who can't accept death.

I really don't believe that anyone truly believes in religion. Anyone, even the pope. Everyone knows it's man-made bullshit. They just convinced themselves they believe it because they're too weak to face reality.

You are assuming intelligence is pure when we are born. That if we were raised in an Amish land with no communication with the outside world, we would automatically assume everything was bullshit if we were intelligent. Our brains are sponges, we soak in information. Intelligent people can process that information better and faster, but are still at the mercy of the information they are fed (many times at a young age).

Through millions of years of natural selection, we were built to be a sponge as a child and listen to what our parents tell us at a young age. If they tell us not to talk to strangers, we don't. Those who didn't soak in the information or trust their elders would die, and thus be weeded out of the process over time. Unfortunately religion got mixed into this, and MOST religous people were indoctrined at a very young age. Society has accepted religion as second nature, so many kids never question their beliefs as they grow up.

This is what many biologists believe, those who studied evolution and natural selection of human beings.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by [db]

lol

yeah, some morons who lived in tents and didn't bath wrote on a piece of paper 2000 years ago that some guy was God, that makes it true. Great "documentation".

Just because billions of people are suckers, doesn't mean you're not all fucking stupid as pigs in shit.

Note: there is no proof pigs are stupid enough to believe in religion. Actually I doubt it. If animals could talk they'd all probably make run of weak minded religious folk too.

there is no disputing that jesus lived unless you plan to dispute the writings of every historian, writer and philosopher of the time. if you are going to be a total idiot and argue that because you can't find a copy of his driving record or astronaut application form, then he didn't exist, then sure... you win. congrats!

i dont believe in god but i don't think that there exists any reasonable argument to dispute the notion that jesus was an actual person that lived.

[[db]]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

You are assuming intelligence is pure when we are born. That if we were raised in an Amish land with no communication with the outside world, we would automatically assume everything was bullshit if we were intelligent. Our brains are sponges, we soak in information. Intelligent people can process that information better and faster, but are still at the mercy of the information they are fed (many times at a young age).

Through millions of years of natural selection, we were built to be a sponge as a child and listen to what our parents tell us at a young age. If they tell us not to talk to strangers, we don't. Those who didn't soak in the information or trust their elders would die, and thus be weeded out of the process over time. Unfortunately religion got mixed into this, and MOST religous people were indoctrined at a very young age. Society has accepted religion as second nature, so many kids never question their beliefs as they grow up.

This is what many biologists believe, those who studied evolution and natural selection of human beings.

You're right, but what you're saying does not address the reason that religion became widespread in the first place. I realize that the reason many people refuse to think critically is because it would force them to accept that their parents are wrong/stupid/crazy. This is why it will be nearly impossible to get rid of religion, no matter how far science advances.

[MohammadAhmadAliHussein]

Originally Posted by [db]

lol

yeah, some morons who lived in tents and didn't bath wrote on a piece of paper 2000 years ago that some guy was God, that makes it true. Great "documentation".

Just because billions of people are suckers, doesn't mean you're not all fucking stupid as pigs in shit.

Note: there is no proof pigs are stupid enough to believe in religion. Actually I doubt it. If animals could talk they'd all probably make run of weak minded religious folk too.

Those same morons living in tents and didn't bath wrote such a profound and smart thing that's been followed, read, believed in, discussed, argued by the most knowledgeable historians and critics for 2008 years! Go figure!

[jonesonyou]

ok This crap is playing now. If their is any malware virius or any other crap on this page. I will be madd. I will report back when the movie is over

[[db]]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

there is no disputing that jesus lived unless you plan to dispute the writings of every historian, writer and philosopher of the time. if you are going to be a total idiot and argue that because you can't find a copy of his driving record or astronaut application form, then he didn't exist, then sure... you win. congrats!

i dont believe in god but i don't think that there exists any reasonable argument to dispute the notion that jesus was an actual person that lived.

I do not doubt that a man named Jesus Christ existed. Probably thousands of people named Jesus Christ, actually.

[[db]]

Originally Posted by MohammadAhmadAliHussein

Those same morons living in tents and didn't bath wrote such a profound and smart thing that's been followed, read, believed in, discussed, argued by the most knowledgeable historians and critics for 2008 years! Go figure!

Because people are stupid and weak minded. Not to mention the intelligent and power hungry people who see it's use in controlling the rabble. From Roman Emperors to GW Bush, it has enabled horrible leaders to be supported by fools. Great work.

[MohammadAhmadAliHussein]

Originally Posted by [db]

Because people are stupid and weak minded. Not to mention the intelligent and power hungry people who see it's use in controlling the rabble. From Roman Emperors to GW Bush, it has enabled horrible leaders to be supported by fools. Great work.

I don't think that when it was written it was intended for the next generations to profit from its powers. You can't blame them. If they were really smart and inventing things, they would have known its consequences thus, either wrote it differently or never wrote it. Life is about evolution, if you argue religion, thus evolution means recent is definitely smarter then older. Which explains evolution. Unless some major event took place in history, that still after 2008 years can't be explained. hmm.

[[db]]

Originally Posted by MohammadAhmadAliHussein

I don't think that when it was written it was intended for the next generations to profit from its powers. You can't blame them. If they were really smart and inventing things, they would have known its consequences thus, either wrote it differently or never wrote it. Life is about evolution, if you argue religion, thus evolution means recent is definitely smarter then older. Which explains evolution. Unless some major event took place in history, that still after 2008 years can't be explained. hmm.

Ok fine

The people who wrote it were smart.

Everyone since who has taken it seriously is retarded.

Happy?

[MohammadAhmadAliHussein]

Hehe, not really what my point was, but since you didn't get it, which exactly was the opposite of what you just said, i'll give it a rest to make you not worry!

[MohammadAhmadAliHussein]

Originally Posted by [db]

Ok fine

The people who wrote it were smart.

Everyone since who has taken it seriously is retarded.

Happy?

Hehe, not really what my point was, but since you didn't get it, which exactly was the opposite of what you just said, i'll give it a rest to make you not worry!

[BV]

Ok I watched it, the whole thing, and the part that interested me the most was the two former IRS agents and how they said there is no law on the books that says we have to fill out a tax return, and how they quit after finding this out as well as quit paying income tax.

This can't be true can it? Many prominent people have been imprisoned for not paying their taxes.

There has to be a law right?

[DBS.US]

Thanks for the post, I like to see both side to everything.

[DigitalPimp]

Paris Exposed

[Martin]

Powerful video. Thanks for posting....

Im ready to join the revolution.. Power to the people. Lets do it..

[[db]]

Originally Posted by BV

Ok I watched it, the whole thing, and the part that interested me the most was the two former IRS agents and how they said there is no law on the books that says we have to fill out a tax return, and how they quit after finding this out as well as quit paying income tax.

This can't be true can it? Many prominent people have been imprisoned for not paying their taxes.

There has to be a law right?

No, there is no law that says American wage earners are required to pay taxes. Wages are not profits, only corporate profits are supposed to be taxed. The IRS is a criminal organization who rule through intimidation.

Call the IRS and ask what law it is that requires someone to pay taxes on their wages. You will not get a response. You may, however, get an audit.


You have to watch this movie:

http://www.freedomtofascism.com

[ServerGenius]

Entertaining with some interesting points too bad the good stuff is filled up
with the usual conspiracy stuff.....

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by donkevlar

Zeitgeist was created as a not for profit expression to inspire people to start looking at the world from a more critical perspective and to understand that very often things are not what the population at large think they are. The information in Zeitgeist was established over a year long period of research and the current Source page on this site lists the sources used / referenced. Soon, an interactive transcript will be online with detailed footnotes and links.

Crap... yet another "freedom of expression opinion movie" only possible because it can be disseminated over the net. If it took a year long period of research someone needs to go back to first year at film school.

There is nothing wrong with making people think, especially when they are dumbed down to a silly level and incapable of thinking. But.... that happens by presenting facts with no bias or deviancy on either side. Generally both of these elements are missing in junk - and this is no different.

Mixing 9/11 and ramblings about religon is very US - so bets on, there is another agenda from a "think tank", propaganda workshop or weirdo group trying desperately to have a conspiracy to play with. It's too off this planet to be considered elsewhere - laughable in parts but dumb idiots will absorb the content. The dumb are easily impressed and influenced.

Despite that - it's nicely put together in bits and all-image-and-music-designed for impact, but also uses well-worn propaganda and "influencing techniques" ("power music", images of 9/11 and voice-overs on religous matter, and "end of the world" dialogue blah). It's just too silly, but.... the presentation is OK and there is a use for that with subject material more relevant.

[GreyWolf]

Originally Posted by ServerGenius

Entertaining with some interesting points too bad the good stuff is filled up
with the usual conspiracy stuff.....

Correct

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by [db]

No, there is no law that says American wage earners are required to pay taxes. Wages are not profits, only corporate profits are supposed to be taxed. The IRS is a criminal organization who rule through intimidation.

Call the IRS and ask what law it is that requires someone to pay taxes on their wages. You will not get a response. You may, however, get an audit.

Internal Revenue Code 6011(a) requires to file a return while Section 6151 requires taxpayers to submit payment of their taxes with their returns.

You asked for the laws, there they are.

[voa]

Interesting video.

[Porn Farmer]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

there is no disputing that jesus lived unless you plan to dispute the writings of every historian, writer and philosopher of the time. if you are going to be a total idiot and argue that because you can't find a copy of his driving record or astronaut application form, then he didn't exist, then sure... you win. congrats!

i dont believe in god but i don't think that there exists any reasonable argument to dispute the notion that jesus was an actual person that lived.

How many atheists do you think become theologians?

[ServerGenius]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

there is no disputing that jesus lived unless you plan to dispute the writings of every historian, writer and philosopher of the time. if you are going to be a total idiot and argue that because you can't find a copy of his driving record or astronaut application form, then he didn't exist, then sure... you win. congrats!

i dont believe in god but i don't think that there exists any reasonable argument to dispute the notion that jesus was an actual person that lived.

There have lived hundred 1000's of jesusses sure there was a jesus son of
Jozef and Maria I'll believe that yet all his miracles and shit is just a load
of crap.

It's a fact that numerous religions are based on the same stories and events
of which a lot are rather symbolical instead of actual events. It's not something
that's recently been discovered the movie just mentiones and bunch of them
and presents them as facts instead of theories which of some hold truth and
others are just nothing more than theories.

The way they are presented makes it look very credible that all are facts
and therefor is misleading and contains a substantial amount of fiction.
It's quite smart coz the 1st part mainly is meant to build up credibility for
the next parts which holds very facts mixed with a good amount of conspiricy
theories.....

Overall it's a good movie as long as you don't take all the info as facts. You
should be aware and it's just another theory based like most others which
sure contains valid points and questions to the events as they happened.