Who would consider this bad business? - GoFuckYourself.com

Dirty F · 07-21-2007, 12:50 PM

I bet it happens a lot already and i don't think it's really bad. Then again i can see some people not liking it.

Lets say sponsor x has CCbill set up and if a cc gets declined the surfer gets redirected to a dial or another non cc payment option.

Obviously the referral wont get traffic but then again he wouldnt get the sale anyway as the surfers cc was rejected.

Whats your opinion on this?

Lifer · 07-21-2007, 01:16 PM

As an affiliate, if you tried to use CCBill first and he got declined and then got accepted as a result of being redirected to an alternative payment option, I wouldn't be pissed.

But if you had CCBill and other billing on the same page and he could elect his billing option, I wouldn't like it and wouldn't promote your sites.

Dirty F · 07-21-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lifer

As an affiliate, if you tried to use CCBill first and he got declined and then got accepted as a result of being redirected to an alternative payment option, I wouldn't be pissed.

But if you had CCBill and other billing on the same page, I wouldn't like it and wouldn't promote your sites.

Yeah thats how i think about it as well.

candyflip · 07-21-2007, 01:18 PM

I've debated this with myself a few times now. My solution was to add extra tours that I promote myself with the secondary processor. Affiliate pages only have the CCBill option.

Dirty F · 07-21-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

I've debated this with myself a few times now. My solution was to add extra tours that I promote myself with the secondary processor. Affiliate pages only have the CCBill option.

Hmm nice option that is indeed. Something to keep in mind.

WiredGuy · 07-21-2007, 01:22 PM

If it fails with one CC processor, they should be trying another CC processor first before going to alternative billing.
WG

candyflip · 07-21-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Franck

Hmm nice option that is indeed. Something to keep in mind.

I've considered NATS cascading, but I have too much going on right now to have to worry about accounting and cutting checks.

Dirty F · 07-21-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

If it fails with one CC processor, they should be trying another CC processor first before going to alternative billing.
WG

Yes and no. I noticed that a good % of cards dont get accepted on another system as well. I never tested the ratios but i have a feeling redirecting them to a non cc option might actually make you a few pennies more. I could be wrong though.

Dirty F · 07-21-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

I've considered NATS cascading, but I have too much going on right now to have to worry about accounting and cutting checks.

Yeah thats not something you do over the weekend.

GatorB · 07-21-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Franck

I bet it happens a lot already and i don't think it's really bad. Then again i can see some people not liking it.

Lets say sponsor x has CCbill set up and if a cc gets declined the surfer gets redirected to a dial or another non cc payment option.

Obviously the referral wont get traffic but then again he wouldnt get the sale anyway as the surfers cc was rejected.

Whats your opinion on this?

The only problem is that affiliates may get the idea that CCbills are delibertly getting declined so the sponsor can get the sale without having to pay the affiliate.

candyflip · 07-21-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

The only problem is that affiliates may get the idea that CCbills are delibertly getting declined so the sponsor can get the sale without having to pay the affiliate.

How is this possible?

WiredGuy · 07-21-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Franck

Yes and no. I noticed that a good % of cards dont get accepted on another system as well. I never tested the ratios but i have a feeling redirecting them to a non cc option might actually make you a few pennies more. I could be wrong though.

As an affiliate though, I want every CC option tried first because I won't get a penny from those alt. billing options.
WG

GatorB · 07-21-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip

How is this possible?

I didn't say it was or that any sponsor was doing it. Peception is everything though.

candyflip · 07-21-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

I didn't say it was or that any sponsor was doing it. Peception is everything though.

Does CCBill show declines on the Affiliate end? I have never gotten too deep into their stats. I love CCBill, but HATE their stats and administration area.

xxxal · 07-21-2007, 01:38 PM

It's the sponsor responsability to monetize the traffic sent by affiliates, so if you don't appreciate the traffic received you'll probably lose your affiliates.

Don't take it personaly but in such conditions I wouldn't promote your program any more

There's allot of programs on the market and such an issue really makes the difference.

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2007, 01:41 PM

If you use a software like MPA than you can put in Nocredit card or Passwordbyphone options that are integrated and cut commissions also for no CC purchases.

I have even seen sites (in France) where it is possible to register as an affiliate directly by the alternative billing provider (like allopass.com comes to my mind) so you get commission from dialers directly from the provider. In this way you have two billers (cc and phone) work with one refferal code that is generated by your own interface (hope it makes sense).

As my mate from Italy mentioned, there should be also a solution that can work with your premium phone number as an additional software to count the succesfull payments by ref. code, but I have no real experience with that.

If I would be sending traffic to someone and not get credited for alternative payments (expecially for Euro or regionally attractive sites) I would feel it's not straight.

07-21-2007, 01:51 PM

That's why I tend to only promote cascading affiliate programs (NATS, MPA, Custom softwate, etc)...They cascade all the options and you get paid on anything the surfer chooses to use.

07-21-2007, 12:50 PM	#1
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Who would consider this bad business? I bet it happens a lot already and i don't think it's really bad. Then again i can see some people not liking it. Lets say sponsor x has CCbill set up and if a cc gets declined the surfer gets redirected to a dial or another non cc payment option. Obviously the referral wont get traffic but then again he wouldnt get the sale anyway as the surfers cc was rejected. Whats your opinion on this?

07-21-2007, 01:16 PM	#2
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	As an affiliate, if you tried to use CCBill first and he got declined and then got accepted as a result of being redirected to an alternative payment option, I wouldn't be pissed. But if you had CCBill and other billing on the same page and he could elect his billing option, I wouldn't like it and wouldn't promote your sites. __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

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CarlosTheGaucho Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,510	If you use a software like MPA than you can put in Nocredit card or Passwordbyphone options that are integrated and cut commissions also for no CC purchases. I have even seen sites (in France) where it is possible to register as an affiliate directly by the alternative billing provider (like allopass.com comes to my mind) so you get commission from dialers directly from the provider. In this way you have two billers (cc and phone) work with one refferal code that is generated by your own interface (hope it makes sense). As my mate from Italy mentioned, there should be also a solution that can work with your premium phone number as an additional software to count the succesfull payments by ref. code, but I have no real experience with that. If I would be sending traffic to someone and not get credited for alternative payments (expecially for Euro or regionally attractive sites) I would feel it's not straight. __________________ CTG Media \| skype: carlosprague \| cb \|at\| ctgmedia \|dot\| net \| Want to make more with your Dating Traffic? \| Read My Educational Series \| Read my Adult Biz Chronicles \| Did your ad revenue drop by 40 pct. or more last year?

07-21-2007, 01:38 PM	#15
xxxal Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 103	It's the sponsor responsability to monetize the traffic sent by affiliates, so if you don't appreciate the traffic received you'll probably lose your affiliates. Don't take it personaly but in such conditions I wouldn't promote your program any more There's allot of programs on the market and such an issue really makes the difference.

07-21-2007, 01:51 PM	#17
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	That's why I tend to only promote cascading affiliate programs (NATS, MPA, Custom softwate, etc)...They cascade all the options and you get paid on anything the surfer chooses to use.