Paul Markham

You don't answer me. Are you too retarded?

Are you pissed he's stealing content, something I SUSPECT you have no proof of. Or pissed he's getting more sign ups than you?

Is he making more money than you and taking money away from you or is he losing money?

The stealing content is a side issue that none of you give a shit about.

I may be a dinosaur but like them I will be around a long time. Longer than you bright sparks and that's for sure.

Sorry but that's the level of investment you need to be an affiliate.

Come on guys do you have proof he's stealing content? Then inform the sponsor to cut him off. Or are you pissed he's taking your traffic.

How do you spell hipocrytes?

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sublimed

did you graduate high school?

Jace

look paul, I am not sure where you think you know me from or how you think you know my business, but being an affiliate is not something I work real hard at. my affiliate sales account for maybe 10% of my income. I am a consultant first and foremost and I work with some of the largest program in the porn industry

the guy is blatantly giving away whole bangbros movies, you can't deny that

you definitely are not making much sense though, you are basically fighting and defending affiliates that give away full movies, which is in direct violation of the TOS of that program

I could care less personally, and I am sure the thread starter doesn't care as much as you are making it seem like he does

but you defending the violation of a programs TOS is just nuts to me and that is what is making me treat you like the idiot you are being

the funny part is, the guys site suddenly doesn't have that sidebar to it anymore, so he obviously knew he was in the wrong and saw the referrers from gfy and deleted it....but I am sure you will still defend his use of that full movie, even though he knew it was wrong and even thought it was against the TOS of the program

take a step back man, stop acting like a child and work with your peers instead of fighting just for the sake of fighting

Paul Markham

No I did not. I left school at 14 to go work. The last year I spent playing truant.

But I'm bright enough to see that you guys truly do not give a shit about him or anyone else stealing content. You care that he's stealing sign ups and traffic. That he has a better business plan than you do.

Is he stealing and sending traffic to a sponsor? Then inform the sponsor and see what happens.

And I'm bright enough to realise the business is changing and this dinosaur will adapt and some of you will become extinct.

And if with your high school education Sublimed you make as much money as I have over the 40+ years you work you will be a happy man.

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Young

So Bangbros allows their affiliates to promote 4 other sponsors along with theirs using FULL MEMBERS CONTENT? They didn't make their money by being stupid. I assure you that.

I started this thread because I do care. I make less money when other people steal. Bangbros make more money when people steal. You seem to be the only exception.

Well as long as your content remains undesirable to thieves and people who want to get off for free you will be around for a long time. [/quote]

Thats what I was attempting to do until you came in here trolling looking for sig views.

Why not email them you ask?

Why email them when I can post it on GFY and be entertained by morons like you?

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Jace

just FYI man, according to whois data

Paul's Paysite:
Created: 2002-09-20

Paul's Content Store:
Created: 2001-03-30

Jace's first paysite (still open and making sales):
Created: 2000-09-27

Jace

ain't that the truth

Young

that meant to say "Bangbros makes less money"

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Young

My first website

Created: 2000-11-08
Expires: 2011-**-**

Not adult but still...

And I'm barely 26.

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Pornwolf

Young, you have been away for a while. Welcome to the new and improved Paul Markham.

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sublimed

I'm a happy man now just reading your posts.. very entertaining. How would you know how much money I have made in my life?

Jace

oh hell, wish I had still had my first site up, that would rock...that was like 12 years ago, i think I used geocities too haha

Jace

apparently he knows all, he must have one of dem private invetigaders that spends all day researching all the gfy posters, or "trolls" as he calls them....basically anyone that doesn't agree with him, which I guess is just about everybody by now

Paul Markham

FYI I was shooting porn for profit before most of you were out of diapers and some were born. My world is a bit bigger than the Internet. But if all you've done is here then I suppose it must mean a lot to you.

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Jace

you are right

shit, in that case I need to stop working in porn

anyone want some awesome teen porn?

teen porn movies

teen model sweety

paul markham teens

teen susanne and jack

Teen Regina

courtney and queenie

adapt!!!!

Jace

when you assume you make an ass out of just you

Paul Markham

So you don't know if it's stolen, you just assumed. You have not informed Bang Bros or the other sponsors have you?

But you hit the nail on the head, you make less money and Bang Bros make more. And you think Bang Bros should care about you instead of themselves. If you think the sponsors care about you, email them and get them to ban the affiliate. You might get a result you might not.

And as for my content not being any good, one guy says it's everywhere and the next says it's no good. Make up you minds.

This business is changing and trolls like you who do not or cannot change with it, will become extinct.

Thanks for not listening to me and thinking. You don't like people taking your traffic and instead of doing something about it sit a bitch on GFY. And I should respect you????

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Young

After checking the Topic Starter and the Thread Title I'll completely disregard this statement as you being senile.

I don't need your respect.

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Young

Apparently.

A content producer/provider/sponsor suggesting that I adapt my business plan to one that includes stealing is just beyond surprising.

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Jace

it really amazes me the direction this thread took

I am looking it over now and in no place can you find me bitching about free porn or giving anything away until paul mentioned it first...interesting

this place never amazes me, I got baited into an argument DAMN!

Young

Enough there for my own paysite.

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Paul Markham

For 7 years we have sent the surfer to sites that frankly disappointed him. Not every site but most. Some sites were even ripping him off.

We moved over to exclusive content because the affiliates needed it, this reduced the amount of content in the site the surfer joined.

We gave or demanded more and more free content, hosting, RSS, FHGs, and every other tool we could dream up.

And the result was?

Well you know the result, so welcome to the world WE built. I personally see very big changes to the world of Internet porn. The cost of buying, hosting and delivering is minuscule and the real cost is the traffic. Which leaves us totally open to guys who are not paying for traffic. Forget about stealing content, 100 videos = $1,000 and up. The thieves are thieves because it's their mentality. Not a business decision.

The business is changing whether you like it or not. The rich guys will look after themselves, few kings really care about the people. They just tell you they love you.

Thanks for the links Jace, can you put some more up?

I have a kick ass site, the Torrents are free advertising for it. When will you understand this works for sponsors.

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Young

You and me both.

He didn't make much of an argument though.

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Jace

ROFL, wow, you're a fuckin genious

dude, the internet porn industry HAS been changing already, in more ways than offering $5 sites

paul is all you do take phrases and knowledge from everyone else and recycle it into your own little thoughts?

everything you just said is things that almost everyone in the industry has been saying for year

and god damn, if one more person that doesn't know me or what I do tells me to "evolve" i am going to jump through the monitor and piss in their eyes

Jace

it really is amazing...once again, let's break this down

you played nice guy and tried to inform a sponsor about something that was breaking their TOS...and people that call themselves honest webmasters came in and ridiculed you and basically started a fight with you about something you didn't even mention in the first place?

did I get it right?
LOL

this place sucks more and more, the nicer you try and be and the more you help people, the more negative those around you are about it

Brujah

No. They are not complaining about too much free content specifically. They are complaining about .. FULL LENGTH (possibly stolen) MOVIES that are not available promo tools in the affiliate area.

They don't buy it dummy. The trend is to steal it, not to purchase it. People like you just encourage it. You tell them how brilliant they are. You tell them how impressed you are that they are thinking outside the box. There's nothing clever about stealing a video and posting it online.

No, it's not a complaint dummy. Quit assuming you know what people are thinking. You're having a conversation with yourself, in your own mind.

If .. IF .. the full videos convert to signups better than small clips, then more sponsors will give away more video content to their affiliates to use. No one's going to buy your crappy $5 videos. It's just not necessary. The market will determine which methods are justifiable. You can certainly bet it doesn't involve anyone coming to your store to buy content that they're used to just stealing and posting for free. They will choose the good stuff, not your $5 shit unless they want to be laughed at.

Do you give a shit that he's stealing content? I don't think you do either. You keep praising how smart these guys are, and talk like you wish you could drop to your knees and suck their cocks.

No, not scared. It's just being competitive.

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Young

You got it exactly right. I like to know where I get my traffic from and where I'm sending my surfers. I checked the site out and immediately noticed what he was doing with the videos...so I came on here to let Pipecrew or any other Bangbros rep know the deal.

The site's only content is 4-5 FULL length Bangbros videos. The rest of the links are external plugs. So basically all he is doing is moving traffic around pushing 5 sponsors (one of which is bangbros) on the strength of 5 or so Full Bangbros videos.

Theres not much "webmastering" going on there....nor is what he is doing innovative.

Is that what you call adapting Paul?

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Young

At least "sortie" knew when to give up

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aico

Jesus you are dumb.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE

Whats really funny is there is an All Internal Flash Video sample and when ya click it, it plays but wont take you to "AllInternal.COM". It opens a new window and its a blank page no link, no refer, no tour nothing...

ROFL!

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Paul Markham

I'm sorry but you guys are stuck in yesterdays world and can't break out.

OK he stole 4-5 movies and that will not get him any signs ups. I'm assuming you are right about the stealing. He put up a site on cheap hosting, won't get any sign ups because full movies don't work.

Brujah please don't lie and put words in my mouth. I do not think it's clever to steal. In fact I think the opposite, they are stupid to steal.

Again if the full videos don't convert then the guy will lose money as with all the others putting up full movies. So why all the complaints about people losing money?

The business is changing. And all your posts on GFY will not stop it. It's become too cheap to buy, host and deliver porn. The days of spending $30 to get a sign up who wants something that costs $0.10 are coming to an end. The days of the surfer having to buy are coming to an end.

And that is why we have all the bitching about stolen content. You guys see the future and it's not one that has $30 PPS and $30 memberships. But it is one where porn will still make money.

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Actually the guy has all kinds of stupid shit going on up in that site...

Not slick...

More like retarded.

Outbound links not working, popping out automotive car repair sites ( No shit ), one click off a flash for ass traffic goes to AFF without a referral ID, I can go on and on...

Dayum I can go on and on...

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Brujah

Why would he lose money Paul? Do you think the dating sponsors, cam sponsors, fleshlight, etc.. won't convert? He's even got Ad World Media, Ad Engage, etc.. there's plenty of monetizing going on with the site. He doesn't need to get any $30 PPS. He just needs to get traffic.

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Rex

I was thinking the same thing

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Paul Markham

Time will tell.

Brujah at last you are waking up.

Like I said the days of spending $30 to get a sign up looking for a $0.10 product are drawing to a close. The affiliate system worked and still works today if a bit poorly. But it will not work tomorrow. It will simply out price itself.

We built it and now we don't like what we built. We built an industry that spends $30 to get a sign up. We try to spend more or ask for more. And the result is we are under threat not from people who steal content, but from people who don't spend $30 to get a sign up.

And that's what has got some very worried. The surfer is not stupid, he is learning. Seems faster than many here.

And please will no one whine about the good of the industry, how the paysites affiliates will suffer, and all those who will go out of business. The people putting up these sites don't give a shit about the long term health of this industry. As most here.

We are here to earn money, few care if the industry lasts 1 year or 10 years. If they can make enough to get out and retire. And that's the harsh truth.

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baddog

This explains so much. Thank you.

BradM

Paul is mentally handicapped. There is something mentally wrong with the guy. Basic concepts elude him like oil off a ducks back. He's just bottom line - VERY fucking stupid.

baddog

You ability to utilize metaphors leaves a lot to be desired.

Anyone that has paid the least bit of attention would realize that down (ie: duck feathers) is a great natural particulate for cleaning oil out of water. Why do you think sea birds are always victims of oil spills?

Suggesting that "basic concepts elude him like oil off a ducks back" would imply the exact opposite of what you are trying to say.

squizzel

people like you are whats wrong with this industry.

Brujah

No, but you're still asleep. It's not a matter of whether it will convert with the sponsors who own the content or not. He could post your entire video collection on his site, make a few thousand off it this week and what would you get for it? Zero. Yet, you keep encouraging them to do it out of your contempt for affiliates. Your hatred for your own affiliates and bitterness lies at the foundation of most of your posts. I'm not an affiliate of yours Paul. I never have been. I never will be. This site may never have a significant affect on me.

You won't be the beneficiary of the traffic, or income from sites like these. That means you lose. They don't need you, or the sponsors who own or create the content. They just need to count on the fact that you will overlook it when they steal all of your content and give it away, and you will. The ones who will benefit from the traffic are the dating programs, cam programs, traffic brokers, etc.. who will agree to do business with the sites.

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Young

bingo.

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hardcoreblogger

it's hard to believe how much retardedness is in this thread! paul, you better repeat those years in highschool now, it's never too late, man

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Nicky

haha this thread really didnt turn out what I expected when I opened it ^^

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tony286

if you look to the right near the bottom,he is also using the jordan capri dancing gif