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Evil Chris · 09-07-2002, 10:13 AM

That webmaster early last week that got 200 signups off collegefuckfest with one Hun listing is still pulling in residual signups...
But the kicker right now is I had a webmaster get 101 signups from a morning listing. Listed at the beginning of the day and 101 signups at midnight last night. That's just fucking beautiful.

Dirty F · 09-07-2002, 10:18 AM

mrthumbs · 09-07-2002, 10:19 AM

you guys are full of it..

Evil Chris · 09-07-2002, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by mrthumbs
you guys are full of it..

really? Well, you don't see Sleazydream or similar traffic gurus coming on any of these threads saying anything do you? I think you just don't want to make money.

High Quality · 09-07-2002, 10:21 AM

mmm, SPAM tastes so....fill in the blank.

TDF · 09-07-2002, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss

rofl@your tagline

B40 · 09-07-2002, 10:23 AM

Let me sign up quick and start promotting it ASAP....ya right

Choder · 09-07-2002, 10:28 AM

I still don't quite get the math on how someone could get 200 signups from a Hun listing. If the Hun sent you 80,000 people and 2% clicked through the the sponsor, you would have to convert at 1:8 to get 200 signups.

You're telling us this guy converted lots of traffic at 1:8?

Ron2k1 · 09-07-2002, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choder
I still don't quite get the math on how someone could get 200 signups from a Hun listing. If the Hun sent you 80,000 people and 2% clicked through the the sponsor, you would have to convert at 1:8 to get 200 signups.

You're telling us this guy converted lots of traffic at 1:8?

Maybe more then 2% clicked through the sponsor

Choder · 09-07-2002, 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by Ron2k1

Maybe more then 2% clicked through the sponsor

OK so let's say his gallery was twice as good at getting people to click through to the sponsor than average, and 4% clicked through. That's still converting at 1:16

Fletch XXX · 09-07-2002, 10:36 AM

Ive done some amazing numbers, but never that good.

Wheres the proof?

otherwise, its bullshit.

Choder · 09-07-2002, 10:39 AM

Yeah, I've converted at 1:16 on maybe like some freak single sale after only sending 16 people to a sponsor, but never on a large sample group like a Hun listing

BabeHunter · 09-07-2002, 10:41 AM

I think you guys should post a screen cap...with a date/# of signups...

if this is for real...then i'm gonna make only CFF galleries

SleazyDream · 09-07-2002, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Evil Chris

really? Well, you don't see Sleazydream or similar traffic gurus coming on any of these threads saying anything do you? I think you just don't want to make money.

What are you talking about, I'm usually all over these threads.

100 sales is more than possible with one listing, and has been done many times by many different people. Happens all the time.

GiaN · 09-07-2002, 10:46 AM

It cant convert that well... the numbers just doesnt match, of course you can get sign ups but not that much as you say.
If what you are saying is true i think im just losing my time

cosis · 09-07-2002, 10:46 AM

It can happen but we don't need to hear about it every time

GiaN · 09-07-2002, 10:49 AM

yes, 100 signups are possible... 200 sign ups if you are lucky ;)

RedShoe · 09-07-2002, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

What are you talking about, I'm usually all over these threads.

100 sales is more than possible with one listing, and has been done many times by many different people. Happens all the time.

Exxxxaaaacctttllyyy. But they most be posting crap galleries, or getting bad listings.

If you know what you're doing, and are an experienced gallery maker, you can get incredible conversions.

x3guide · 09-07-2002, 10:51 AM

Chris, posted a short quick review on your site, cheers for the temp. access. Didn't bother signing up for the partner prog, but hope you get a couple hundred new signups from this.

Very promising site.

EscortBiz · 09-07-2002, 10:54 AM

Ok this is the listing on thehun that links to CFF

http://www.hornyhomemakerz.com/home/28/index.html

The images on the gallery have nothing to do with CFF meaning its not a nurse site CFF

What do you guys think how would it convert?

a link on the hun titled

A nurse examining a girl from Andre

chass · 09-07-2002, 10:54 AM

Let's see what one of those galleries that got listed at the Hun look like!

Fletch XXX · 09-07-2002, 10:58 AM

Is that the gallery making all the cheese?

heheh

EscortBiz · 09-07-2002, 10:58 AM

chas look at my postbefore yours it has a link i found

chass · 09-07-2002, 11:03 AM

Well....guess I better get busy and make more galleries and submit them to the Hun. Thanks Escort for the link....was just curious.

DjSap · 09-07-2002, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
Ok this is the listing on thehun that links to CFF

http://www.hornyhomemakerz.com/home/28/index.html

his strategy is pure genious...by posting non relevant content the surfers are suprised when they visit the sponsor...this is known as the "suprise effect"....plus his ugly layout makes the sponsors site look very good....

EscortBiz · 09-07-2002, 11:09 AM

In this business you really don't know what will convert for YOU untill you try it,

EscortBiz · 09-07-2002, 11:10 AM

Reminds me of this local newsstand who makes more money selling calling cards then newspapers maybe its the so called "Suprise Effect"

EFH · 09-07-2002, 11:12 AM

Yes its possible, "200 weg4free" signups ...

Sex4it · 09-07-2002, 11:14 AM

I don't buy that

GTS Mark · 09-07-2002, 11:25 AM

Chris, it is impossible to get 200 signups in one hun listing, plain and simple. If you can PROVE to us that you did 200 signups in one day, I will send all my traffic to you from now on.

Here are my stats from yesterday. I can assure you I did not make 200 sign ups yesterday! LOL!

Now I have throw down the gauntlet. I have shown you mine, now show me yours

DH

SleazyDream · 09-07-2002, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by DrinkingHard
Chris, it is impossible to get 200 signups in one hun listing, plain and simple. If you can PROVE to us that you did 200 signups in one day, I will send all my traffic to you from now on.

Here are my stats from yesterday. I can assure you I did not make 200 sign ups yesterday! LOL!

Now I have throw down the gauntlet. I have shown you mine, now show me yours

DH

I'm not going to show you my stats, but you have an idea of what my net income is drinking hard. 100 signups is MORE than possible.

A little advise, (no offense intended) - just cause you arn't able to do it (yet) doesn't mean someone else can't either.

GTS Mark · 09-07-2002, 11:33 AM

Don't get me wrong, I do believe the Hun still has a ton of buyers. But I just can't see someone getting 200 signups from 1 listing. Do the math.... (no offence intended)

DH

Asthma · 09-07-2002, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Choder
I still don't quite get the math on how someone could get 200 signups from a Hun listing. If the Hun sent you 80,000 people and 2% clicked through the the sponsor, you would have to convert at 1:8 to get 200 signups.

You're telling us this guy converted lots of traffic at 1:8?

I think your number are off seems like he pulled more then 2% total hits 38943 from the gallery listing with 197 sales so that more like 40+% click through to the sponsor. maybe its pulling so well because it different never seen before concept.

SleazyDream · 09-07-2002, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrinkingHard
Don't get me wrong, I do believe the Hun still has a ton of buyers. But I just can't see someone getting 200 signups from 1 listing. Do the math.... (no offence intended)

DH

I can't say whether evil chis is speaking the truth or not, but I believe him cause I know SEVERAL other programs that have done it before and the stuff he has talked about looks solid enough to have done it.

DjSap · 09-07-2002, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by EscortBiz
Reminds me of this local newsstand who makes more money selling calling cards then newspapers maybe its the so called "Suprise Effect"

yes u see, the mainstream world is catching on...i bet that the newsstand owner saw that gallery on thehun and stole his idea...until this day we didn't know just how much a thehun listing can change the world...

FreeXXX · 09-07-2002, 11:38 AM

I have to disagree that was the gallery submitted or it has been changed since the listing.

The hun will not link to any sites that send them directly to a sponsor filled with consoles. You have to send them to a clean full page ad first...

If this was listed, did you have a special deal with The Hun?

BabeHunter · 09-07-2002, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Asthma

I think your number are off seems like he pulled more then 2% total hits 38943 from the gallery listing with 197 sales so that more like 40+% click through to the sponsor. maybe its pulling so well because it different never seen before concept.

com'n man post a cap...you are trying to promote your program right? if you could prove that it can get that much signups...then you guys will get 100 times that traffic...
i don't see a reason why you wouldn't want to post a cap...unless it's not true...

SleazyDream · 09-07-2002, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FreeXXX
I have to disagree that was the gallery submitted or it has been changed since the listing.

The hun will not link to any sites that send them directly to a sponsor filled with consoles. You have to send them to a clean full page ad first...

If this was listed, did you have a special deal with The Hun?

anyone that knows the hun knows he doesn't make special deals.

J.R. · 09-07-2002, 11:45 AM

The most I have gotten was 47 new joins in one day
promoting my own site. The 3rd day after I opened
a year ago. I paid for the 6-15 spot.

After that day, I knew I had a hit!!

I have not known anyone to do more then 75.

If someone can get 100, cheers to them!

Chris.. you site looks good!

Asthma · 09-07-2002, 11:47 AM

i cant post other people stats but the 2 webmaster that post on the hun the last couple days and did so well are from GFY so im sure they will post there caps just to prove everyone that it is possible to generate those numbers with cff

DjSap · 09-07-2002, 11:52 AM

i went through all september 6th listing and I can't find a gallery that is promoting cff...could you please point it out or something..

Asthma · 09-07-2002, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by DjSap
i went through all september 6th listing and I can't find a gallery that is promoting cff...could you please point it out or something..

its the second one down on september 6th

jimmyf · 09-07-2002, 11:56 AM

I use to get 15 to 20 sign ups with a listing from thehun (easy) and was selling other than main stream porn... so if you are promoting a NEW pay site and it's Diff... Yip I think you could get 100 to 200 sign ups... You have to remember this stuff also runs in spurts a lot of the time... I will get 3 or 4 hunderd $$ of one time sign ups one week and the next like $50.00 but a shit pot of recurring 1's... all to the same sponsor.. The same gallery that got 100 sign ups last week...this week might get 10... in the right place at the right time.....I believe... if you do know (if there is 1) the secret...let me know... fuck the internet is like a woman.. do you know what she's going to do or thinking.......

Brown Bear · 09-07-2002, 12:01 PM

If it was the second gallery on the list then it must have been a paid listing

Asthma · 09-07-2002, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear
If it was the second gallery on the list then it must have been a paid listing

both spot on the hun was paid for

Terenzo · 09-07-2002, 12:04 PM

no fuck, chris, the site looks cool, i dont care who makes 200 signups or not, i am not posting to the hun anyway...

keep on spamming good stuff! i may try it.

bigdog · 09-07-2002, 12:06 PM

if i was the webmaster buying spots and sending trafic to collegefuckfest i would be very upset that you are telling everyone how much money i am makeing. So people can copy my galleries

xxxcam · 09-07-2002, 12:06 PM

such a bullshit.... i convert 1:50 with very targeted traffic, you saying you can do better with a fucking useless TGP traffic ? no fucking way.....

if you so confident why don't you show a screenshot ? otherwise you just spam your sponsor so other webmasters will say "o shit, he might be right let me signup and promote them" ... good technique man

Brown Bear · 09-07-2002, 12:10 PM

I gotta say that College Fuck Fest looks like the most original idea for a paysite that I have seen since BangBus was launched.

Alex From San Diego · 09-07-2002, 12:21 PM

The people that don't believe 100 or even 200 signups on 1 listing isn't impossible, just continue to believe that.....the non believers are the individuals who are struggling day in and day out and post on the boards continuely bitching about who cheats who and who is doing what to someone else.

If you spent more time researching and working rather than posting nonsense, you might be able to see the light someday and experience the same success others have experienced.

I personally believe it because back in the day when we used to push sweetloads, we were consistently doing 150 - 175 joins per day just off a Hun listing That was over 2.5 years ago. We don't push them anymore but are still receive checks from them every week. We had non believers too (probably the same non believers today here).

It seems that the barometer for success on this board is by the number of posts someone has. If they don't have "X" number of posts they are a nobody in this industry.

My advice would be to take a step back and learn from someone that has a proven track record for success in this industry rather than post your rhetorical crap.

In leaving, Evil Chris, congrats and continue success to you.

09-07-2002, 10:13 AM	#1
Evil Chris OG Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 3rd from the Sun Posts: 13,233	More Hun conversions... That webmaster early last week that got 200 signups off collegefuckfest with one Hun listing is still pulling in residual signups... But the kicker right now is I had a webmaster get 101 signups from a morning listing. Listed at the beginning of the day and 101 signups at midnight last night. That's just fucking beautiful. __________________ It PAYZE to post on GFY chris at payze.com \| Skype chriswrp

09-07-2002, 10:36 AM	#11
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09-07-2002, 10:46 AM	#15
GiaN Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 22	It cant convert that well... the numbers just doesnt match, of course you can get sign ups but not that much as you say. If what you are saying is true i think im just losing my time __________________ Tired Of Dialers? Click here for a new solution! Weekly Payouts Via Paypal/Wire Support through e-mail, ICQ 31541568

09-07-2002, 10:49 AM	#17
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09-07-2002, 10:51 AM	#19
x3guide Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: lake titicaca Posts: 735	Chris, posted a short quick review on your site, cheers for the temp. access. Didn't bother signing up for the partner prog, but hope you get a couple hundred new signups from this. Very promising site. __________________ Shomer fuckin shabbas

09-07-2002, 10:18 AM	#2
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09-07-2002, 10:19 AM	#3
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	you guys are full of it..

09-07-2002, 10:21 AM	#5
High Quality Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 5,741	mmm, SPAM tastes so....fill in the blank.

09-07-2002, 10:23 AM	#7
B40 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 7,020	Let me sign up quick and start promotting it ASAP....ya right

09-07-2002, 10:28 AM	#8
Choder Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 446	I still don't quite get the math on how someone could get 200 signups from a Hun listing. If the Hun sent you 80,000 people and 2% clicked through the the sponsor, you would have to convert at 1:8 to get 200 signups. You're telling us this guy converted lots of traffic at 1:8?

09-07-2002, 10:39 AM	#12
Choder Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 446	Yeah, I've converted at 1:16 on maybe like some freak single sale after only sending 16 people to a sponsor, but never on a large sample group like a Hun listing

09-07-2002, 10:41 AM	#13
BabeHunter Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: 2nd door on the left Posts: 4,063	I think you guys should post a screen cap...with a date/# of signups... if this is for real...then i'm gonna make only CFF galleries

09-07-2002, 10:46 AM	#16
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09-07-2002, 10:54 AM	#20
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09-07-2002, 10:54 AM	#21
chass Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Alamo City Posts: 498	Let's see what one of those galleries that got listed at the Hun look like!

09-07-2002, 10:58 AM	#22
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09-07-2002, 11:03 AM	#24
chass Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Alamo City Posts: 498	Well....guess I better get busy and make more galleries and submit them to the Hun. Thanks Escort for the link....was just curious.

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09-07-2002, 11:10 AM	#27
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09-07-2002, 11:12 AM	#28
EFH Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sexland Posts: 7	Yes its possible, "200 weg4free" signups ...

09-07-2002, 11:14 AM	#29
Sex4it Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 784	I don't buy that __________________ I'm back and happy about it.

09-07-2002, 11:25 AM	#30
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Chris, it is impossible to get 200 signups in one hun listing, plain and simple. If you can PROVE to us that you did 200 signups in one day, I will send all my traffic to you from now on. Here are my stats from yesterday. I can assure you I did not make 200 sign ups yesterday! LOL! Now I have throw down the gauntlet. I have shown you mine, now show me yours DH

09-07-2002, 11:33 AM	#32
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Don't get me wrong, I do believe the Hun still has a ton of buyers. But I just can't see someone getting 200 signups from 1 listing. Do the math.... (no offence intended) DH

09-07-2002, 11:38 AM	#36
FreeXXX So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: I live in Brad's 1972 Pinto Posts: 141	I have to disagree that was the gallery submitted or it has been changed since the listing. The hun will not link to any sites that send them directly to a sponsor filled with consoles. You have to send them to a clean full page ad first... If this was listed, did you have a special deal with The Hun?

09-07-2002, 11:45 AM	#39
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	The most I have gotten was 47 new joins in one day promoting my own site. The 3rd day after I opened a year ago. I paid for the 6-15 spot. After that day, I knew I had a hit!! I have not known anyone to do more then 75. If someone can get 100, cheers to them! Chris.. you site looks good!

09-07-2002, 11:47 AM	#40
Asthma Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 682	i cant post other people stats but the 2 webmaster that post on the hun the last couple days and did so well are from GFY so im sure they will post there caps just to prove everyone that it is possible to generate those numbers with cff __________________ AdultMovieClub.com 4000+ Galleries \| RSS Feeds \| White Label \| Search Boxes \| Weekly Payouts You can have your own white labeled DVD download site with matching gallery templates and banners in just a few hours.

09-07-2002, 11:52 AM	#41
DjSap Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,869	i went through all september 6th listing and I can't find a gallery that is promoting cff...could you please point it out or something..

09-07-2002, 11:56 AM	#43
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	I use to get 15 to 20 sign ups with a listing from thehun (easy) and was selling other than main stream porn... so if you are promoting a NEW pay site and it's Diff... Yip I think you could get 100 to 200 sign ups... You have to remember this stuff also runs in spurts a lot of the time... I will get 3 or 4 hunderd $$ of one time sign ups one week and the next like $50.00 but a shit pot of recurring 1's... all to the same sponsor.. The same gallery that got 100 sign ups last week...this week might get 10... in the right place at the right time.....I believe... if you do know (if there is 1) the secret...let me know... fuck the internet is like a woman.. do you know what she's going to do or thinking....... __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

09-07-2002, 12:01 PM	#44
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09-07-2002, 12:04 PM	#46
Terenzo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 971	no fuck, chris, the site looks cool, i dont care who makes 200 signups or not, i am not posting to the hun anyway... keep on spamming good stuff! i may try it. __________________ Signature Spot - USD 5000 / month

09-07-2002, 12:06 PM	#47
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	if i was the webmaster buying spots and sending trafic to collegefuckfest i would be very upset that you are telling everyone how much money i am makeing. So people can copy my galleries

09-07-2002, 12:06 PM	#48
xxxcam Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 401	such a bullshit.... i convert 1:50 with very targeted traffic, you saying you can do better with a fucking useless TGP traffic ? no fucking way..... if you so confident why don't you show a screenshot ? otherwise you just spam your sponsor so other webmasters will say "o shit, he might be right let me signup and promote them" ... good technique man

09-07-2002, 12:10 PM	#49
Brown Bear Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,982	I gotta say that College Fuck Fest looks like the most original idea for a paysite that I have seen since BangBus was launched. __________________ Surrender all your independent thinking and Click Here for re-programming.

09-07-2002, 12:21 PM	#50
Alex From San Diego Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,642	The people that don't believe 100 or even 200 signups on 1 listing isn't impossible, just continue to believe that.....the non believers are the individuals who are struggling day in and day out and post on the boards continuely bitching about who cheats who and who is doing what to someone else. If you spent more time researching and working rather than posting nonsense, you might be able to see the light someday and experience the same success others have experienced. I personally believe it because back in the day when we used to push sweetloads, we were consistently doing 150 - 175 joins per day just off a Hun listing That was over 2.5 years ago. We don't push them anymore but are still receive checks from them every week. We had non believers too (probably the same non believers today here). It seems that the barometer for success on this board is by the number of posts someone has. If they don't have "X" number of posts they are a nobody in this industry. My advice would be to take a step back and learn from someone that has a proven track record for success in this industry rather than post your rhetorical crap. In leaving, Evil Chris, congrats and continue success to you.