is it all the whiny broke bitches complaining on here all day?

[Phoenix]

is that who comes here to bitch?


whaa...this person does that


whaa...this person was mean to me


wahhaaaa...this person makes more money then me

whaa..im not smart enough to shut up and make money to...


lol


whine on whiners

[CDSmith]

Bitching about people bitching.... I like it.

[BusterBunny]

congrats to the whiners

[Sly]

I spilled my milk.

[xclusive]

very brotastic of you. Sometimes people actually care about the industry they work in. If something is hurting that industry you speak out about it and try and solve the problem. If you don't you're a cowardly little bitch who had no balls.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by xclusive

very brotastic of you. Sometimes people actually care about the industry they work in. If something is hurting that industry you speak out about it and try and solve the problem. If you don't you're a cowardly little bitch who had no balls.

whos hurting who?


i know many people making money off of stuff instead of bitching about it

you know TGPS give out free content as well...why dont you run your flag up a pole and go after them..lol

use what is happening to your advantage..or be cast aside and left behind.

the average surfer is alot more crafty then they used to be

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

whos hurting who?


i know many people making money off of stuff instead of bitching about it

you know TGPS give out free content as well...why dont you run your flag up a pole and go after them..lol

use what is happening to your advantage..or be cast aside and left behind.

the average surfer is alot more crafty then they used to be

You're seriously comparing tgp's to torrents and warez sites? They give the whole thing away and tgp's give samples. Why should I have to give in because some people decide to use scumbag tactics? I'll never be left behind but i'll never be a scumbag either. I agree surfers are a lot smarter than they used to be, So your solution is to steal content and make a buck however you can? Fuck that. I say take the funding away from the cheaters and go on about business as usual

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by xclusive

You're seriously comparing tgp's to torrents and warez sites? They give the whole thing away and tgp's give samples. Why should I have to give in because some people decide to use scumbag tactics? I'll never be left behind but i'll never be a scumbag either. I agree surfers are a lot smarter than they used to be, So your solution is to steal content and make a buck however you can? Fuck that. I say take the funding away from the cheaters and go on about business as usual

i can go to any tgp site right now

and find whole content sets....just look at the url and go back and wollah..i can jerk off and download like 300 20 second clips in a very short time

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

i can go to any tgp site right now

and find whole content sets....just look at the url and go back and wollah..i can jerk off and download like 300 20 second clips in a very short time

Glad to see you are a fan of content theft. TGP's use content given to them from promotion from the affiliate program. Torrents give away the whole dvd or scene depending on what is being sold. If a tgp is using unauthoized content they are in the wrong and should be dropped from the affiliate program.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by xclusive

Glad to see you are a fan of content theft. TGP's use content given to them from promotion from the affiliate program. Torrents give away the whole dvd or scene depending on what is being sold. If a tgp is using unauthoized content they are in the wrong and should be dropped from the affiliate program.

so..why not try to bridge the gap


create torrents that use sponsor given content..and then drives sales to the sponsor who gave that content.

some scripting and you could track it all

you know you really should come down off your high horse

ive neer been on a tgp or torrent site for stealing anything dick head
but im not about to fuckin wh one all day instead of making money.

do it right..torrents have huge traffic...make one thatis fair..and you will have big traffic...stop bitching all day

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

so..why not try to bridge the gap


create torrents that use sponsor given content..and then drives sales to the sponsor who gave that content.

some scripting and you could track it all

you know you really should come down off your high horse

ive neer been on a tgp or torrent site for stealing anything dick head
but im not about to fuckin wh one all day instead of making money.

do it right..torrents have huge traffic...make one thatis fair..and you will have big traffic...stop bitching all day

So what torrent site do you own? I would love to see an example of how you think it shoud be done. I'm not on a high horse. I'm against content theft and that's supposed to make me a bad guy? It's amazing how some people think. You also think it takes any serious amount of time to report fuckheads? I do my work and when I come across something shady I deal with it. Right now I have about 20 tabs open and 15 of them are for work. 3 are webmaster boards and 2 are hobby sites of mine. Sorry I don't brown nose and look the other way just to earn bro points.

[pocketkangaroo]

Can we promote LionDollars by giving away entire movies and picture sets?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Can we promote LionDollars by giving away entire movies and picture sets?

if you want to put our content up and link to us from our content

and that is all that would be needed from torrent sites out there now

change their model....use a db to track whos content belong to who..and make sure you are sending sales to the correct sponsor.

another note: dont rip their content use the stuff the provide in webmaster tools...hell you can find alot of video content in most programs tools these days

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Bitching about people bitching.... I like it.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

ah i think they are in love

[Rui]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Can we promote LionDollars by giving away entire movies and picture sets?

[minusonebit]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

so..why not try to bridge the gap


create torrents that use sponsor given content..and then drives sales to the sponsor who gave that content.

some scripting and you could track it all

you know you really should come down off your high horse

ive neer been on a tgp or torrent site for stealing anything dick head
but im not about to fuckin wh one all day instead of making money.

do it right..torrents have huge traffic...make one thatis fair..and you will have big traffic...stop bitching all day

Funny, I just mentioned this same sentiment over in the maddawgz thread.

Business as usual is what is causing the industry to deteriorate. In case no one has noticed, things aren't so rosy these days for the independent webmaster or small producer. Few people are doing anything new these days, or for that matter even trying to be creative. They are simply wearing the same, worn out pair of old underwear that is the paysite instead of trying to find ways to make it more attractive to surfers. And then, of course, bitching that they have no/few/less than optimal number of subscribers.

And with statements like "the average surfer is smarter now than before" speaks volumes. If you look at your customers as idiots to be manipulated, you'll eventually be proven correct: they'll be too fucking stupid to buy your product. The surfer hasn't gotten smarter. They are people and the average intelligence of humans is about the same it has been for the last couple of decades. Surfers want something new and they are not getting it from the industry. So they are creating it themselves and they aren't letting anything get in the way of their doing it.

If anything has changed, its the internet itself. We're not all on AOL anymore. Change with it or go out of business. Time stops for no one.

[teg0]

No its mostly sig whoring, and being whiny = posts.

[Kinky John]

Originally Posted by minusonebit

Funny, I just mentioned this same sentiment over in the maddawgz thread.

Business as usual is what is causing the industry to deteriorate. In case no one has noticed, things aren't so rosy these days for the independent webmaster or small producer. Few people are doing anything new these days, or for that matter even trying to be creative. They are simply wearing the same, worn out pair of old underwear that is the paysite instead of trying to find ways to make it more attractive to surfers. And then, of course, bitching that they have no/few/less than optimal number of subscribers.

And with statements like "the average surfer is smarter now than before" speaks volumes. If you look at your customers as idiots to be manipulated, you'll eventually be proven correct: they'll be too fucking stupid to buy your product. The surfer hasn't gotten smarter. They are people and the average intelligence of humans is about the same it has been for the last couple of decades. Surfers want something new and they are not getting it from the industry. So they are creating it themselves and they aren't letting anything get in the way of their doing it.

If anything has changed, its the internet itself. We're not all on AOL anymore. Change with it or go out of business. Time stops for no one.

LOL man . . you sound like Paul Markham after his renaissance

[»Rob Content«]

Phoenix 2 questions for you.

Question 1

Since you compare TGP to torrent, can you find me a TGP with these links and content that you allow traffic from?

Question 2

Are you saying that Liondollars will accept traffic from sites that have the following content as listed below?

Cute_15_Year_Old_jacking_off_her_Daddy_zip
Fucking_my_little_sis_in_the_ass_illegal_preteen_u underage_lolita_kiddy_child_incest_xxx_porno_gay_f u fuck_young_naked_nude_little_.rar
14_Year_Old_Nude_ANAL
Under_age_small_girl_showing_pussy_illegal.rar
prepuberty_underage_masturbation_video.mpg
15_year_OLD_rape_anal_forcedbj_blowjob.mwv
2_13_Year_Old_Forced_Lesbian_Sex.mpg
Young child pussy movie collection no fake
Child pporn Copy of Cute Lolita 16 Year Old Being
Horny Old Man Fucks His Deaf Grandchild
Teenage Boy s Fantasy (Incest, Rape, Child Porn
Father rapes his daughter in his truck
Illegal Video Of Underage Students Having Sex
R@Ygold Very young underage girl with small budding breasts
Gothic Teen Takes The Fuck Of Her Underage Life
underage nadia sexy model part2
Fucking my little sis in the ass(illegal_preteen_underage
WARNING 5 Underage Girls ILLEGALLY Underage Videos
EXTREMELY Underage Girl Fingering On Camera.
Adult Disturbing Sex Video Reveals Underage Teenage Sex
Illegal Underage Girl Gives Bartender Blowjob And Screws
Underage rimjob 9 year old girl
WARNING Illegal UnderAge Teen Porn
Disgusting Underage Girls Turn Lesbian
NEW Nastiest Underage Teen Anal You Will Ever See
Underage Girls Caught On Camera WARNING Extremely Young Girl
DISGUSTING Underage Girl Masterbating Not Even 14
Underage Chicks On Webcam
NEW Nastiest Underage Teen Anal You Will Ever See
Underage small girl showing pussy
13 Year Old Japanese Girl Brutally Raped By Two Guys DISGUTSTING PORN
13 Year Old Preteen Nude
13 Year Old Nude Upskirts Pictures
Hot Young 13 Years Old Girls Nude
13 years old hard fucking
13year old blow job caught on tape
Hot Young 13 Year Old Girls Nude
dog sex with 13year old.
XxX 12 Year OLD TeenY GeT FuckeD XxX

I look forward to your reply....

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by teg0

No its mostly sig whoring, and being whiny = posts.

Well considering I get paid nothing for my sig. It might just be that i'm working on taking out many warez/torrent sites. Every site I shut down will be more traffic for us all.

[»Rob Content«]

A second question for Phoenix, and anyone else who says it's a waste of time.

Are you saying there is nothing wrong with me taking your entire members area and then opening my own paysite and charging a monthly membership to the site after cropping out your watermarks? You know like skin video and from what I have found about 40 other sites are doing. The take your members area, crop your watermark out and then charge people just like it's their own paysite.

So can I do this with all of your content? If so I'm going to stop paying for content and just buy a password to some of your related paysites...

Please give an honest answer if this is ok, and why this is ok, and why we should do nothing about it...

[jonesonyou]

Work with our Affiliate program and make money. Then you wont have to bitch about not making any.

[nikki99]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

do it right..torrents have huge traffic...make one thatis fair..and you will have big traffic...stop bitching all day

lol a "fair" torrent site vs 100 copyright thieves.. you would be better off with a tgp..

i see alot of "fair" torrent sites in the alexa ranks...

Reality is there isnt a "fair" torrent site in the top 100k , nor would one work for the many reasons people have mentioned.. you cant sell something that your neighbour is giving away for free..

[fatfoo]

stop whining about the whiners

[Paul Markham]

The problem is very simple. People have got used to selling a months membership to people looking for 20 minutes of fun. It's a simplistic answer but it's basically the problem.

Look at all the moans and you will find someone stating that giving away too much equals anything over ten to fifteen minutes of hardcore porn. The complaint is this stops the seller from selling 30 membership.

I've looked at some Torrent sites and see them selling download tools, so not "free" porn, just cheap porn. Megarotic is a shit site, if free, it downloads slow, it's a real mish mash of crap and a few gems. Torrent sites also have problems, with crap, not knowing what you're getting and poor service.

The replies from the moaners also reveal a lot of ignorance about the porn consumer. "Why by a membership when I can download the whole of "Bang Bus" for free? If your average member burned more than $5 of BW/hosting a month the whole industry would have to change and Tube and theft sites would not exist. The BW bill would kill them.

Fifteen year ago any fool could make money on the Internet if he had a bit of knowledge. Ten years ago it was still easy, five years ago it started to change and got tougher. Todays industry still acts like it was 1997 and now they dream of turning the clock back.

When you sell an over priced, low quality product that suits you for too long the customer eventually wakes up and says no thank you. Did anyone stop and say to themselves "This site is a con ripping off the customer" or "This is simply not worth what they're charging" NO the did not. They just asked for more money for the same work, more tools, more free content and screw the customer.

Now the customer is responding.

Tube sites are the least of the Whiners problems.

[minusonebit]

Originally Posted by xclusive

Well considering I get paid nothing for my sig. It might just be that i'm working on taking out many warez/torrent sites. Every site I shut down will be more traffic for us all.

Every time you shut one down, another will pop up and eventually, they'll pop in places where you cant get them shut down without anything short of a UN Declaration of War. Much better off trying to make use of them and what they can offer you rather than fighting the utterly futile (but headline making) fight against them.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

lol a "fair" torrent site vs 100 copyright thieves.. you would be better off with a tgp..

i see alot of "fair" torrent sites in the alexa ranks...

Reality is there isnt a "fair" torrent site in the top 100k , nor would one work for the many reasons people have mentioned.. you cant sell something that your neighbour is giving away for free..

Then pack your bags and leave quietly. Because the chances of you closing them all down is ZERO. Did you hear that? ZERO Just in case you missed it.

But I think your wrong and about to prove it, I hope. What you have to do is sell what the surfer wants and not what you want. Sell movies at 25 to 50 cents on a server that delivers them in seconds in a good format, with mobile phones and ipod or what ever options.

If someone's giving away crap hamburgers I can open a gourmet hamburger restaurant across the road and make money. If you can't then that's your problem. What I can't do is sell a crap hamburger for $30 because my over heads are inflated. If everyone in the world wanted crap hamburgers steak restaurants would not exist.

Get the idea?

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by minusonebit

Every time you shut one down, another will pop up and eventually, they'll pop in places where you cant get them shut down without anything short of a UN Declaration of War. Much better off trying to make use of them and what they can offer you rather than fighting the utterly futile (but headline making) fight against them.

Can't help it i'm a fighter by nature. I'll hurt every one of them when I have a chance. They won't go away but if I start taking away the funding it won't be as large of a problem. I'm not foolish enough to think I can wipe them off the internet. But I can make a dent in them without having to spend to much of my time.

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then pack your bags and leave quietly. Because the chances of you closing them all down is ZERO. Did you hear that? ZERO Just in case you missed it.

But I think your wrong and about to prove it, I hope. What you have to do is sell what the surfer wants and not what you want. Sell movies at 25 to 50 cents on a server that delivers them in seconds in a good format, with mobile phones and ipod or what ever options.

If someone's giving away crap hamburgers I can open a gourmet hamburger restaurant across the road and make money. If you can't then that's your problem. What I can't do is sell a crap hamburger for $30 because my over heads are inflated. If everyone in the world wanted crap hamburgers steak restaurants would not exist.

Get the idea?

Don't need to take them all down, Just a few select big ones.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then pack your bags and leave quietly. Because the chances of you closing them all down is ZERO. Did you hear that? ZERO Just in case you missed it.

I'm not going anywhere torrents affect me very little , financially it won't make a damn bit of difference to me
thats not my aim and i NEVER SAID IT WAS just incase you missed it

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

But I think your wrong and about to prove it,

wrong about what ??

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

Phoenix 2 questions for you.

Question 1

Since you compare TGP to torrent, can you find me a TGP with these links and content that you allow traffic from?

Question 2

I DELETED ALL YOUR PEDO FANNTASY CRAP

I look forward to your reply....

wtf is wrong with you? that is what you go to right away?

you are fuckined in the head....VIDEO GREGG

what a fuckin joke

[Phoenix]

read what i said you imbeciles...you use content given to you..

of course its wrong to steal a whole site.

its like VIDEO GREGG here doesnt know his ass from a hole in the ground

im talking about a way to clean up torrents

you go shoot some video...fuckin useless scumbag

Smokey...yeah it wouldnt be easy..but at least its start...someone being fair..might get some sales and start the revolution

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

Phoenix 2 questions for you.

Question 1

Since you compare TGP to torrent, can you find me a TGP with these links and content that you allow traffic from?

Question 2

Are you saying that Liondollars will accept traffic from sites that have the following content as listed below?

Cute_15_Year_Old_jacking_off_her_Daddy_zip
Fucking_my_little_sis_in_the_ass_illegal_preteen_u underage_lolita_kiddy_child_incest_xxx_porno_gay_f u fuck_young_naked_nude_little_.rar
14_Year_Old_Nude_ANAL
Under_age_small_girl_showing_pussy_illegal.rar
prepuberty_underage_masturbation_video.mpg
15_year_OLD_rape_anal_forcedbj_blowjob.mwv
2_13_Year_Old_Forced_Lesbian_Sex.mpg
Young child pussy movie collection no fake
Child pporn Copy of Cute Lolita 16 Year Old Being
Horny Old Man Fucks His Deaf Grandchild
Teenage Boy s Fantasy (Incest, Rape, Child Porn
Father rapes his daughter in his truck
Illegal Video Of Underage Students Having Sex
R@Ygold Very young underage girl with small budding breasts
Gothic Teen Takes The Fuck Of Her Underage Life
underage nadia sexy model part2
Fucking my little sis in the ass(illegal_preteen_underage
WARNING 5 Underage Girls ILLEGALLY Underage Videos
EXTREMELY Underage Girl Fingering On Camera.
Adult Disturbing Sex Video Reveals Underage Teenage Sex
Illegal Underage Girl Gives Bartender Blowjob And Screws
Underage rimjob 9 year old girl
WARNING Illegal UnderAge Teen Porn
Disgusting Underage Girls Turn Lesbian
NEW Nastiest Underage Teen Anal You Will Ever See
Underage Girls Caught On Camera WARNING Extremely Young Girl
DISGUSTING Underage Girl Masterbating Not Even 14
Underage Chicks On Webcam
NEW Nastiest Underage Teen Anal You Will Ever See
Underage small girl showing pussy
13 Year Old Japanese Girl Brutally Raped By Two Guys DISGUTSTING PORN
13 Year Old Preteen Nude
13 Year Old Nude Upskirts Pictures
Hot Young 13 Years Old Girls Nude
13 years old hard fucking
13year old blow job caught on tape
Hot Young 13 Year Old Girls Nude
dog sex with 13year old.
XxX 12 Year OLD TeenY GeT FuckeD XxX

I look forward to your reply....

Mods should bitchslap you out of existence for posting that shit....

[tony286]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Mods should bitchslap you out of existence for posting that shit....

Why he isnt not giving the links and thats whats on the torrents you love so much.They dont give a shit about stolen content, cp, its all about money and they dont care who gets hurt.These are the people you and your group want to defend or the famous we must adapt to.Very sad.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Mods should bitchslap you out of existence for posting that shit....

You say we should work with the torrent sites, this is all on the torrent sites. Why is it ok to work with people who traffic this? Please answer

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by tony404

Why he isnt not giving the links and thats whats on the torrents you love so much.They dont give a shit about stolen content, cp, its all about money and they dont care who gets hurt.These are the people you and your group want to defend or the famous we must adapt to.Very sad.

Lets see... people go searching for cp... lets say pedos, fbi, feds, gonzoles? Oh look at all these keyword results that come up for this "gfy.com" NICE! lmao That kind of shit on torrents is user submitted. Just a year ago this would of got anyone a ban on here. Just because it suits your little cause doesnt mean its ok to post cp terms. Jesus fucking Christ.

[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

read what i said you imbeciles...you use content given to you..

of course its wrong to steal a whole site.


im talking about a way to clean up torrents

Either you are clueless about torrents or are just egging everyone on so that your torrent site won't get targetted.

Here's the deal: If an entire site rip is on a site, putting up a 30 second clip for download next to it is pointless. That is step 1.

Step 2 is that there is no way for an affiliate to turn it into money, the sponsor content will have the sponsor direct URL on the content, not your affiliate code, and people aren't going to type your nats link into the address bar. You are also forbidden by most programs to add your URL over theirs on their content.

it is somewhere between totally fucking stupid and absolutely naive to think that making a deal with criminals and theives is a good way to advance business. Sort of like allowing the crack dealer to work in front of your restaurant because he gives his customers a $1 off coupon for your place. Fucking useless, and scares off more good buisness than what you make back.

[BBWTori]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

whaa...this person does that.....

Time to call the Wahhhhhhhhhhmbulence!

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Either you are clueless about torrents or are just egging everyone on so that your torrent site won't get targetted.

Here's the deal: If an entire site rip is on a site, putting up a 30 second clip for download next to it is pointless. That is step 1.

Step 2 is that there is no way for an affiliate to turn it into money, the sponsor content will have the sponsor direct URL on the content, not your affiliate code, and people aren't going to type your nats link into the address bar. You are also forbidden by most programs to add your URL over theirs on their content.

it is somewhere between totally fucking stupid and absolutely naive to think that making a deal with criminals and theives is a good way to advance business. Sort of like allowing the crack dealer to work in front of your restaurant because he gives his customers a $1 off coupon for your place. Fucking useless, and scares off more good buisness than what you make back.

tgpers and mgpers were once scourned upon and looked down on

these sites arent going anywhere...so learn to work with them or dont

its up to you

let them do as they please with other peoples shit...if you want to keep your stuff off..then you need to develop a relationship

shutting them down outright is not going to happen

[RawAlex]

Pheonix, you are great to talk. Exactly how much of the escort sites make it onto torrents? Oh, wait... I forgot... you guys profit from Torrent sites because you have something they can't steal.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Pheonix, you are great to talk. Exactly how much of the escort sites make it onto torrents? Oh, wait... I forgot... you guys profit from Torrent sites because you have something they can't steal.

we dont have any torrent traffic

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

is that who comes here to bitch?

whaa...this person does that

whaa...this person was mean to me

wahhaaaa...this person makes more money then me

whaa..im not smart enough to shut up and make money to...

lol

whine on whiners

It's official... You're an idiot...

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

whos hurting who?


i know many people making money off of stuff instead of bitching about it

you know TGPS give out free content as well...why dont you run your flag up a pole and go after them..lol

use what is happening to your advantage..or be cast aside and left behind.

the average surfer is alot more crafty then they used to be

i agree...

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Tempest

It's official... You're an idiot...

this just in..who are you anyway?

lol

[greg80]

well sometimes people just need to hear someone say that they make even less money to feel better.

[dodger21]

Let me get this straight, you're whinning like a little bitch about people whinning on here like little bitches?

Do you sit down to pee as well?

[RawAlex]

It's actually funny. The only people who show up complaining about people raising the isseu of torrents and tube sites are the people who have nothing in the game, or are running those types of sites.

Pheonix is all over it. But he is promoting an Escort site. it isn't like people are going to steal escort ads and run them as a torrent to download, and it isn't like those people are paying for a bunch of content and such. No, they have no skin in the game, so any reduction in tube and torrent traffic would reduce thier bottom lines.

What they are really whining about is people sniping at their leech-like business models.

[Tempest]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

this just in..who are you anyway?

lol

I don't know.. Who are you??? Oh yeah.. the guy who is a conspiracy nut case... has his tongue deep up the ass of guys like DH... comes out supporting shady/illegal activity... has a shitty affiliate site... has truly crap porn sites that don't rebill worth shit... hey.. guess that's why you need the shady tactics for sales and traffic... You're a standup guy.