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TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 11:41 AM

Google isn't big enough. Right. So, now the dingbats who run some of the big news services are making it bigger. How? Well, they reckon it's okay to make Google "take" their feeds rather than link to their very own customers, thus screwing those customers and further benefiting Google. Let me try to explain.

The Google News site robotically scans hundreds of news sources and provides a faux front page of popular news items, with hundreds, if not thousands, of redundant links to those stories (as they are carried by local news outlets). Google links to these outlets, and this is where the reader then goes to read the story. If the story is from the Associated Press , then the local outlet pays the AP for the content.

Until now.

The AP, among others, saw this as some sort of vague copyright violation. It demanded that Google pay a license fee and link to the story directly from the Google site. So, Google said okay. Now, the newspapers?who collectively "own" the AP?lose a link and a potential View the full story

WiredGuy · 09-04-2007, 11:47 AM

Here's the real link: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2178969,00.asp
WG

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Here's the real link: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2178969,00.asp
WG

What was the purpose of that?

WiredGuy · 09-04-2007, 11:51 AM

Because your link goes to the exact same thing you copied and pasted and not the complete article.
WG

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Because your link goes to the exact same thing you copied and pasted and not the complete article.
WG

There is a link to the whole story in the link i posted....

Libertine · 09-04-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Because your link goes to the exact same thing you copied and pasted and not the complete article.
WG

God, those viraldiscussion links piss me off...

WiredGuy · 09-04-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

There is a link to the whole story in the link i posted....

Yes, and the link I posted goes directly to the article. You may as well have posted the entire article, or posted a link that went to the actual story instead of going through multiple steps.
WG

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

God, those viraldiscussion links piss me off...

I ain't tryin to piss no one off im trying to building up a site. I am not violating any gfy rules that im aware off. Once again im sorry this upsets you....

Life · 09-04-2007, 12:01 PM

Google is going to takeover the world!

WiredGuy · 09-04-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

I ain't tryin to piss no one off im trying to building up a site. I am not violating any gfy rules that im aware off. Once again im sorry this upsets you....

Its perfectly fine, its just annoying as hell. Why not just copy and paste the entire article to the site instead of making people click around?
WG

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Its perfectly fine, its just annoying as hell. Why not just copy and paste the entire article to the site instead of making people click around?
WG

I know what you sayin just gotta wait for programmer to get back from vacation.

Vick! · 09-04-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

What was the purpose of that?

Credibility.

StuartD · 09-04-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

God, those viraldiscussion links piss me off...

Myself as well actually.

WiredGuy · 09-04-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

I know what you sayin just gotta wait for programmer to get back from vacation.

You need a programmer to copy and paste?
WG

wyldblyss · 09-04-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

You need a programmer to copy and paste?
WG

haha wiredguy, thanks for my laugh for the day!

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

You need a programmer to copy and paste?
WG

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Yes, and the link I posted goes directly to the article. You may as well have posted the entire article, or posted a link that went to the actual story instead of going through multiple steps.

I was referring about posting the whole article on viral. Right now there is a set limit count of 750. Of course i don't need a programmer to copy and past here lol. But even if i did paste the whole story here that would then kill the ctr and well you know how that goes...

KimJI · 09-04-2007, 01:46 PM

Let me get this straight

- You are annoyed that Google "take" feeds and post it on their site instead of linking to it

- And you present that story to us by linking to YOUR site where you placed a part of the text you stole, instead of linking straight to the source?

How is that different than what Google does?

Iron Fist · 09-04-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

I was referring about posting the whole article on viral. Right now there is a set limit count of 750. Of course i don't need a programmer to copy and past here lol. But even if i did paste the whole story here that would then kill the ctr and well you know how that goes...

1. This is a webmaster board.

2. Most of us are smart enough to hunt for the real link and *ARE* annoyed that we need to click twice for the story.

3. There isn't a hope in hell i'm clicking banners on a blog thats linking to a story i'm looking for.

So... why bother?

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sharphead

1. This is a webmaster board.

2. Most of us are smart enough to hunt for the real link and *ARE* annoyed that we need to click twice for the story.

3. There isn't a hope in hell i'm clicking banners on a blog thats linking to a story i'm looking for.

So... why bother?

cause it works...

StuBradley · 09-04-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

God, those viraldiscussion links piss me off...

I concur.

D · 09-04-2007, 02:32 PM

Ignoring the irony points of your initial post for a moment... which are certainly there...

Assuming you're not paying the wire service/publisher, by copying that much of the article - and making money off of it - you do realize you're opening yourself up for a lawsuit, right?

You're profiting off of copy written works that are not your own.

D · 09-04-2007, 02:36 PM

Actually... the article mentions the whole copywright thing, too.

The irony in this thread is as thick as the fog on a cold London morning.

cherrylula · 09-04-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

God, those viraldiscussion links piss me off...

yeah I won't click either.

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D

Ignoring the irony points of your initial post for a moment... which are certainly there...

Assuming you're not paying the wire service/publisher, by copying that much of the article - and making money off of it - you do realize you're opening yourself up for a lawsuit, right?

You're profiting off of copy written works that are not your own.

There is no profit being made off the site at all...

cherrylula · 09-04-2007, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Its perfectly fine, its just annoying as hell. Why not just copy and paste the entire article to the site instead of making people click around?
WG

Its like they are spamming surfer crap on an adult webmaster board. Very annoying, and almost insulting.

mistergardener · 09-04-2007, 02:43 PM

Google rules the earth.

WiredGuy · 09-04-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

There is no profit being made off the site at all...

Then why frustrate webmasters by making them click around to get to the actual article?
WG

cherrylula · 09-04-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by D

You're profiting off of copy written works that are not your own.

like a torrent? ::gasp::

D · 09-04-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

There is no profit being made off the site at all...

That could change things (honestly, I'm not sure - ask a lawyer), but...

really?

Fletch XXX · 09-04-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

im trying to building up a site. I am not violating any gfy rules that im aware off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TampaToker

that would then kill the ctr

this guy is not after a discussion about this here.

"he is building up a site"

bandwagon · 09-04-2007, 02:49 PM

viral discussion hating bandwagon ALL ON BOARD!!

JD · 09-04-2007, 02:49 PM

Hey TampaToker... I banned your buddy peterk for doing this shit on ADX... imo it should be done to you here....

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

this guy is not after a discussion about this here.

"he is building up a site"

If i wasn't up for a discussion i would not be replying to these post. As far as i know i am not doing anything illegal....

Fletch XXX · 09-04-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

If i wasn't up for a discussion i would not be replying to these post. As far as i know i am not doing anything illegal....

I dont care how much you spam gfy. I just find it stunning you actually just admit you are here only for the "CTR" of posting "RSSed" articles.

As I told you in your other thread...

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

why not just link the original ynot article? ;)

setting up rss feeds to display their articles on your site then making threads about them is a bit redundant no?

You havent done this once or twice because it was interesting topic, you are doing it to build traffic to viral discussion.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=redundant

I didnt say you were doing anything illegal, but to say you are doing this for ANY other reason than getting traffic is a lie.

if this is the method of success you guys are trying to take, i give your site 2 months before all the posts are "0 replies and comments' much like it is now...

cya in 2 months Tampa

bandwagon · 09-04-2007, 03:04 PM

Hey dont hate on innovators like Viral Discussion...

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

Hey TampaToker... I banned your buddy peterk for doing this shit on ADX... imo it should be done to you here....

Hey if the mods got a problem with i am sure they would of contacted me or banned me by now. I post a few story's a day. Its there board there rules and if they ban me so be it. So if they ban me i understand completely.

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I dont care how much you spam gfy. I just find it stunning you actually just admit you are here only for the "CTR" of posting "RSSed" articles.

As I told you in your other thread...

You havent done this once or twice because it was interesting topic, you are doing it to build traffic to viral discussion.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ight=redundant

I didnt say you were doing anything illegal, but to say you are doing this for ANY other reason than getting traffic is a lie.

if this is the method of success you guys are trying to take, i give your site 2 months before all the posts are "0 replies and comments' much like it is now...

cya in 2 months Tampa

lol some projects make it some fail so only time will tell.

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bandwagon

Hey dont hate on innovators like Viral Discussion...

i know right lol its cool thu people got a right to there opinion so i respect that.

bandwagon · 09-04-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

i know right lol its cool thu people got a right to there opinion so i respect that.

Rss feeds... man that is fucking innovative mucho props!

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bandwagon

Rss feeds... man that is fucking innovative mucho props!

thank you thank you

and yes i know you are being sarcastic

polish_aristocrat · 09-04-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

Its like they are spamming surfer crap on an adult webmaster board. Very annoying, and almost insulting.

well but they are spamming not a surfer site, they are spamming a 'webmaster resource' (?) site

can be annoying, but it's simple business for them, we are all here for biz (well, more or less

)

polish_aristocrat · 09-04-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

Hey TampaToker... I banned your buddy peterk for doing this shit on ADX... imo it should be done to you here....

that's interesting

aren't you all buddies? I mean will76 started referralmatrix.com and viraldiscussion.com recently with some help of others (peterk?) and then many people here on GFY put his banner into their sigs as a gesture of support for what will76 is doing for the community - at least this was my impression

and I thought that you - sperminator, and your mentor

damagex and will76, tampatoker etc are all buddies (note - I say "buddies", not "bros") fighting for the same things so I thought you support each other;s projects

just an observation I had, not sure how accurate it was or how relevant this observation is to this thread

polish_aristocrat · 09-04-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

if this is the method of success you guys are trying to take, i give your site 2 months before all the posts are "0 replies and comments' much like it is now...

cya in 2 months Tampa

not saying I wish that it fails, but it wouldn't surprise me

my impression is that nowadays there's really not much room for new resoure sites, or even forums

everyone is already on GFY and most people here have the lazy attitude, they want every news and discussions taking place here, all the other resource sites, especially the new ones, don't really add any value to the average webmaster

plyndrty · 09-04-2007, 04:28 PM

Sup Toker? See you have your hands full these days...

Ain't it your turn to buy wings from Hooters?

TampaToker · 09-04-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by plyndrty

Sup Toker? See you have your hands full these days...

Ain't it your turn to buy wings from Hooters?

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TheSenator · 09-04-2007, 04:32 PM

I ate a taco salad.

DaddyHalbucks · 09-04-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

There is no profit being made off the site at all...

Now.. or in the future when it has traffic?

rowan · 09-04-2007, 07:15 PM

The article itself is also 2 pages, which means you need to click AGAIN to read the last 7 paragraphs!

pornask · 09-04-2007, 07:20 PM

fuck google...

SomeCreep · 09-04-2007, 07:25 PM

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TampaToker Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,827	Google gains more power Google isn't big enough. Right. So, now the dingbats who run some of the big news services are making it bigger. How? Well, they reckon it's okay to make Google "take" their feeds rather than link to their very own customers, thus screwing those customers and further benefiting Google. Let me try to explain. The Google News site robotically scans hundreds of news sources and provides a faux front page of popular news items, with hundreds, if not thousands, of redundant links to those stories (as they are carried by local news outlets). Google links to these outlets, and this is where the reader then goes to read the story. If the story is from the Associated Press , then the local outlet pays the AP for the content. Until now. The AP, among others, saw this as some sort of vague copyright violation. It demanded that Google pay a license fee and link to the story directly from the Google site. So, Google said okay. Now, the newspapers?who collectively "own" the AP?lose a link and a potential View the full story __________________ Icq 247-742-205

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