Ripshit

Why do you support several torrent type sites that exploit other peoples hard work?

I.E.
http://www.redtube.com/6860

I know your contract agreement reads as follows:

PLEASE NOTE: CCBill, LLC is an Internet service provider and does not have control over any content offered by a CCBill client. CCBill is not a publisher or editor of content and does not store client?s content on its servers.But come on guys dont you make enough god damn money?

Why do you have to support this shit?

I think everyone at this point should drop CCBill for shady business practices and put them out of fucking business once and for all ,and this isnt the first time you have been found fucking over others is it CCBill?

fris

ccbill must know since they approve all the sites they do processing for

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Tanker

depends on what redtube.com was when they signed up for processing

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Ripshit

This is true maybe they dont know they are supporting such sites and really give a fuck about the industry!

F-U-Jimmy

Well they know now as they read the boards. I for one will drop them if they dont do something about this soon.

bandwagon

Ok Im confused... Ripshit you had me contracted for the "911 conspiracy" bandwagon... now you've moved to the "anti tube site... down with ccbill for processing bandwagon" Can you PLEASE have your lawyer make the appropriate changes to said contract and have him fax me the revised version.. Thanks!

Ripshit

I never said anything about banning tube sites!
Personally I see tubes as a very ingenious way to make money if you do it like TGP or Blog but this is neither!

This is ripping off people!!!!!

That is not cool and deserves a major beatdown in any instance!

I may smoke alot,and drink a shitload but at least Im not a fucking Liar or a cheat,and:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vouDK-LELEU

FreeHugeMovies

Steve will enjoy that

Ripshit

Well that wouldnt be a bad way of marketing at all in my opinion,you got the music and the chick(who is hot as fuck BTW),but what bout giving credit for where credit is due like in TGP?

I mean I really see alot of potential in tubes if people can get together like a group...

Its how people like this are jumping onto them ,and fucking others over that is giving them all a negative perspective

It would have been great if this content was approved for use and a link back was set for point of sale!!!

Ripshit

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sweetums

Grrrr.....thanks for the heads up Tanker - will have legal on this asap *sigh*

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corvette

Ripshit, I assure you that we take the issue with clients using unlicensed content very seriously. You will not find any clients that are still processing with us that we have received multiple dmca notices on. In many cases, it is difficult to tell what sites have unlicensed content, and we are not in a position to shut the billing mechanism down of one of our clients if we ?suspect? that they are using unlicensed content.

In any case, I understand this is hot topic and rightfully so. If/when we receive dmca notices that indicate one of our clients is using content they do not have a right to use, that client will not be processing with us any longer. Now I understand that the immediate response to my post by some will be ?well, you guys should just know when a site is using other peoples content and not accept it.? but the reality is that the staff in CCBill policy review do not have a way of knowing for certain whether a site is using content that they are not allowed to use and by law we have to abide by the DMCA

It is very simple process to send us DMCA notices, you don?t need an attorney and it only takes a few moments (see below) and if/when contacted, we will hold your hand through this very quick process. ([email protected], icq 45471840).

If your content is on somebody elses site without your permission, we want to know about it as much as you do


As an ISP, CCBill follows the procedures prescribed by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) for notification, takedown, and counter-notification. If you believe that a CCBill client has something on a website that constitutes infringement of your copyrights, or if any of your other intellectual property rights have been violated, please provide the following information to CCBill's Registered DMCA Agent:
1. Your electronic or physical signature.
2. A description of the copyrighted work and where the original work is located.
3. A description of where the infringement is located.
4. Your address, telephone number, and email address.
5. A statement by you that you have a good faith belief that the use of the work is not authorized by the copyright owner, agent, or the law.
6. A statement by you, that under penalty of perjury, that the above information is accurate and that you are the copyright owner or authorized to act on the owner's behalf.
Please send all legal notices to:
http://businesscenter.ccbill.com/htm...copyright.html

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tony286

Well You might be getting a love letter from Steve Lightspeed since 6 Jordan Capri clips on that site and I doubt they are licensed.

Ripshit

This says very little!

So its ok to still host Redtube as a client your saying?

corvette

ripshit, if your content is on there without your permission, icq me and together we will get it off or the site down and if this is anything other than a one time occurrence, that client will be shut off and will never processing with ccbill again. Just need to be sure that there is content on the site that they dont have permission to use. Ill hold your hand through the entire process.

45471840

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aico

CCbill will do the right thing, quit being a dick and work with them for a solution.

esnem

i'm reading this thread thinking this dude ripshit is out of his mind...

i read corvette's well put-together, courteous, polite post and it hits me...

i bet this dude ripshit does very little if any business with ccbill and no business whatsoever with Red Tube.

i'm not sure if this is what they're doing, but did you think redtube may have licensed content to serve to their paying members? it's a possibility.

this industry is amazingly polite in response to the otherwise satirical, screaming piss-fits that webmasters throw when they see something they don't approve of, regardless if they have an interest in any of the parties involved.

i'm not knocking real webmasters here, i'm talking about guys who nobody knows, who feel they're somehow wronged when a studio gets a movie stolen, etology serves an ad and AFF makes a sale. not sure where a lot of people 'calling people out' on boards even fit into the equation.

just an observation...ripshit maybe you've had your content stolen by redtube in the past, that i don't know. maybe you're ccbill's biggest account..


ccbill will handle this though i'm sure, regardless of the completely immature way it was brought to their attention.

Paul Markham

ONLY ONE PAYMENT PROCESSOR TAKES THEFT OF CONTENT SERIOUSLY.

In all the years I've been selling content so far only one payment processor has ever asked for proof of licensing, VEROTEL. I have never been asked to verify the licensing of content by CCBILL, EPOCH IBILL or anyone other payment processor.

Of course if anyother content provider or payment processor knows otherwise they are welcome to post.

This is not an issue we should be sitting back and waiting for complaints about.

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baddog

You don't read very well do you? I think I can sum up his comments with: follow procedures.

It took this thread to figure that out, or have you just never noticed him before?

esnem

never saw this dude before...

is how i picture him though

baddog

Then you should read more of his threads. You are being too kind.

would be more accurate.

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Paul Markham

Seems to me a lot of sponsors are advertising on this site.

http://www.redtube.com/6843

http://www.redtube.com/6835

http://www.redtube.com/3443

http://www.redtube.com/350

How simple would it be to ask the owners of these videos if they were given to Redtube or ask Redtube for the license?

Is it time to be reactive or proactive?

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everyone dropping ccbill
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StarkReality

Well, I really think for a billing company it's asked a bit too much to screen complete sites of clients for copyright violations and contact possible content owners to ask if a video is licensed or not.

It's nice to see Verotel do it, but I don't think it's something you can expect. CCBill came here, explained their very fair policy on this and will shutdown the site as soon as multiple DCMA notices arrive. It may be obvious that mentioned content is stolen, but legal reality and common sense are often different, so they want to back up any actions against a client with a DCMA from the content owner, which is totally understandable in my book.

I'm one of the first to scream "shut them down" whenever a torrent, tube, lowlife thread pops up, but CCBill is handling this in a very professional and reasonable way.

Paul Markham

If a payment processor, when setting up billing processing, is to check a site for illegal content, obscene content like scat, then it can easily see if the the content the site is offering videos with other sites watermarks. Then an email to the the two sites seems to be in order. Seems to me this is 5 to 10 minutes work. Not a lot to do if you're attitude towards stopping content theft is proactive.

How many "multiple DMCA notices" need to arrive before billing is pulled?

Content theft needs to be stamped on hard, sites that steal content are very likely to be involved in other activities we do not condone or want. It would appear to me that a site stealing content or allowing anyone to upload content is not a good bet.

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Due

Actually a billing provider is not requirred to check your licenses to see your content is licensed, but they are requirred to revoke your billing option if actions is not followed from a DMCA notice. They are however if they are based in USA, requirred to check that there is valid 2257 links on sites they do billing for, again a valid 2257 link does not actually mean that you hold the license for the content. If you steal content, why not steal 2257 docs too?
Unlicensed content does not actually mean stolen content, it could be a human mistake, just as a DMCA could also be send out by a mistake as well.
An example could be someone working with a portfolio of companies for different business areas, and by mistake take content licensed to company A and use for combany B, ofcourse this is not licensed, but this could be a honest mistake by the business manager that run both company A and company B.
Would you feel good if I spend example $10K on content in your shop buying content for a company, and by a mistake put up lets say 2 sets on a site owned by another company I run, the result could be you DMCA ccbill that pull billing, after that you discover I bought a shitload of content from you, and you killed one of my online business rather getting me a "warning" to clean up my shit. And in case the above scenario happend, do you think you would have a repeat customer from me?
I'm not saying that this is something I speculate in, but I do hold a lot of licenses for various content, and also content licensed to different companies, so it COULD in theory happend, I do belive I have multiple of your sets too

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Paul what if my site happens to have some content trades or say some upsells that are clearly watermarked. Should they then go through and take the time to have me proove every single upsell, trade or whatnot.

Then again there is nothing even by verotel that stops someone from making a site with legit content then swaping it to another site type after approval.

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Paul Markham

Nice to see how serious some are about stopping content theft.

Yes it's going to cost money and yes it's going to take some extra work. Is it worth the effort and inconvenience to slow down sites stealing content?

I have constantly talked about the moral and ethical side of stealing content. So if it's ok for billing processors to wait for a DMCA then I assume the same courtesy can be extended to Redtube. It's ok for them to put up any content uploaded until they get a DMCA.

But here's another thought and it's me thinking left field.
Only CCBILL and Epoch know the damage being caused by stolen content, they are right at the front and will know if the over all revenue is dropping on the porn side of the Net. Maybe it's not.

Maybe these sites serving out cheap porn are actually pushing up the over all revenue, just not on paysites adopting the old method. Maybe the surfers who would not spend $30 will spend $9.90 or less. In such numbers to push up the over all spend. I would imagine the bosses at the major processors taking the extra time to monitor content if they saw their revenue and earnings dropping.

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StuBradley

So Verotel asks for proof of licensing upfront eh? What about all of the content added to a site AFTER they have cleared you for processing? Are you saying that you need to fax Verotel new licensing info every time you add a photo set or video to your paysite?

And is Verotel actually spending the time to contact EVERY producer that a paysite owner claims to have licensed said content from? What if one of the producers I list fails to respond to Verotel's verification inquiry, does that mean I won't get cleared for payment processing?

You're such a tool Paul. Verotel isn't being proactive, they're just trying to cover their ass with appropriate documentation in case the shit hits the fan.

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Oh yeah Verotel! If you are running a dog fucking site, that's the way to go!


Could you imagine the overhead that site owners as well as CCBill, and every other processor would incur if all licensing docs had to be verified. It would make adding another processor a nightmare.

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I didn't quite realize there were so many replies to Paul's post, I'll get to the end before I reply next time.

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Ripshit

Im not entirley sure if this comment was directed in my direction or not,but if it was thats fine.
Its nice to see who you and your friends are and your thoughts on content theft ,and companies like CCBill supporting torrent sites!

I hope people see the true colors of all these losers who call me names!

Ripshit

Paul you know you just hit the nail on the head there here is a thread which clearly states a site that is using stolen content that is charging 9.90 to view.
CCBill is the payment agent ,and they dont give a shit about it enough to make another post.
Clearly stated that they would check into it
What about all the other free content that has been ripped off by that site huh?

Lets look at those AFF banners and think who is paying whom!

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ServerGenius

dude hold your horses....Mark gave a very clear to understand reply to your
post.....it's impossible to check all the content all the time. CCbill verifies sites
before approving them.....that doesn't mean that after approval they get checked 24/7. Verotel might verify the site owner to have licenses for their
content....but I'm sure they don't check that after it's done once.

Simply follow the procedures and if things aren't been taken care off then
fire away

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Ripshit

funny how ccbill also does billing for bulletinboardforum

Nubiles

Good to see ccbill is keeping their nose clean. Its hard to find a reputable company in this business. I just forwarded you my DMCA i sent to skinvideo.com two weeks ago. They still haven't removed my content. I guess I need to start a formal lawsuit against them. I have no idea how they would win seeing my content is actually registered with the United States Copyright Office, but if thats the game they want to play we can sure go that route. Sad thing is that this is not the first time I have had to send DMCA's to skinvideo. As soon as they take it down its right back up.

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ServerGenius

you have any idea for how many sites they do billing? It's not like to bill
for 10 sites. I can apply for a billing account with any sites get approved
and then change my site......I'll probably get away with it for quite a while
UNTIL someone reports me through the proper channels.

So if you come across sites that have illegal content inform the owner of
the content, send him the link of the site and tell him to report it to CCbill
problem solved......that site could have been closed by now......get my point?

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Ripshit

This is the problem with content theft sure,but back to my original question which was never really answered.....

Ripshit

CCBill Why do you support several torrent type sites that exploit other peoples hard work?

In my opinion you do it for the money.

All this contact us well drop them shit is all nonsense to me.

You shouldnt work with content thieves its not good for your reputation.

Obviously peoples mind set on greed no one is just going to drop CCBill as a group,but I really hope this thread shows people how back stabbing you guys really are over there!

OG LennyT

Time to get to school idiot, the bus is waiting outside

On second thought, please skip today and keep posting in this thread. I love reading emotional rants from people who have no fucking clue.

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I wonder if they'll address this issue.

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I wonder if they'll address this issue.

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they already did

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Ripshit

They already did address the issue,and it was clear in the statement made in fewer words that "They would be more than happy to not do anything about this"!
Bottom line is CCBill could give a fuck less about whos content is whos as long as they make some cash!

esnem

Is any of your content being stolen on Red Tube?

Are you a content producer?