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mikesouth · 09-06-2007, 03:31 PM

from my eponymous website

The Free Speech Coalition Tries To Back Door The Piracy Roundtable
By MikeSouth

To understand this fully you need to know that The gutless, worthless jackals at the FSC recently accepted a 10,000 dollar donation from Adult Friend Finder (AFF). AFF is one of the largest monetary supporters of pirate sites on the planet.

So last night a group of content producers in LA got togetherfor a round table on how to deal with the piracy issue, and they made a mistake by inviting Jeffery Douglas to be the Moderator.

Douglas, who is beholden to the FSC, wasted no time in sneaking in a couple of FSC members posing as content producers (they weren?t) so that the FSC, who is a whore for anyone with a check, could try to wrangle control of the meeting.

AVN also showed up but they got turned away this meeting was only for content producers and distributors.

The good news is that the Free Speech Cabal was summarily rejected and essentially told to sit in the back of the truck and shut the fuck up, while the roundtable did it?s business.

Kudos to them for that. I also want to acknowledge someone who has drawn criticism here in the past, that being Attorney Greg Picconelli, who stepped up and offered the group PRO BONO legal services with no limits. Now that?s stepping up to the plate and I applaud him for it.

The group further organized and identified a plan of attack that I will not outline here. Suffice it to say I hope they are successful.

Next time?Y?all have Greg moderate and kick that sorry fuck Douglas and his whore the FSC out on their asses. All the FSC wanted to do was gain control, pretend they are doing something (like they always do) and keep cashing checks from people profiting from stealing our hard work.

Jace · 09-06-2007, 03:36 PM

amen brutha!

hey, let's do dinner sometime soon man, you gunna be around this weekend?

After Shock Media · 09-06-2007, 03:39 PM

So wish I could of attended. I need someone to fill me in, I dunno someone like who organized it

Yes you, you thexy lil board whore/hard worker.

mikesouth · 09-06-2007, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

amen brutha!

hey, let's do dinner sometime soon man, you gunna be around this weekend?

jacejacejacejace

I need you man hop on IM

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 09-06-2007, 03:40 PM

"AFF is one of the largest monetary supporters of pirate sites on the planet."

Thats kinda stretching it. AFF has made alot of people alot of money, has supported the industry. Promoters of AFF running stolen content sites needs to be nipped in the ass, but hardly the largest supporter of Pirate sites.

Many pirate sites run ad's for various programs other than AFF.

After Shock Media · 09-06-2007, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

"AFF is one of the largest monetary supporters of pirate sites on the planet."

Thats kinda stretching it. AFF has made alot of people alot of money, has supported the industry. Promoters of AFF running stolen content sites needs to be nipped in the ass, but hardly the largest supporter of Pirate sites.

Many pirate sites run ad's for various programs other than AFF.

Yet almost 99.9% of them run AFF in heavy rotation or placement.

TDF · 09-06-2007, 03:47 PM

wow.....serious buisness

fris · 09-06-2007, 03:54 PM

that rocks

pocketkangaroo · 09-06-2007, 03:58 PM

Considering their lack of success with 2257 and some other issues, I don't think I'd put them in charge of anything.

seeric · 09-06-2007, 04:03 PM

jeffery douglas actually wasnt the moderator. we paid a professional from outside the industry 1k to do it and the guy did phenomenal.

Voodoo · 09-06-2007, 04:05 PM

Domo arigato

seeric · 09-06-2007, 04:06 PM

p.s. there was no control and there is no fsc involvement in the new content producer movement. that you got my word on.

mikesouth · 09-06-2007, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

jeffery douglas actually wasnt the moderator. we paid a professional from outside the industry 1k to do it and the guy did phenomenal.

my bad....but i do hear that douglas was the source of your fsc problem get rid of that wart man...yall have way better

MeganS · 09-06-2007, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

jeffery douglas actually wasnt the moderator. we paid a professional from outside the industry 1k to do it and the guy did phenomenal.

THANK YOU WWW.HUSHMONEY.COM FOR PUTTING UP THE MONEY FOR THAT

Love you guys!!

xoxo,
Megan

seeric · 09-06-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SWorldMegan

THANK YOU WWW.HUSHMONEY.COM FOR PUTTING UP THE MONEY FOR THAT

Love you guys!!

xoxo,
Megan

yes. thank you andrew and hushmoney. you were a tremendous help to us. we are all part of the solution together.

baddog · 09-06-2007, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth

my bad....but i do hear that douglas was the source of your fsc problem get rid of that wart man...yall have way better

Wait . . . you wrote that without actually attending?

D · 09-06-2007, 04:29 PM

Since it's the topic here, I'm pretty sure I caught the FSC reps say that though AFF has promised the funds to the FSC, they haven't actually followed through and delivered any yet.

I wonder what the story there is.

It would seem that the FSC may be getting the worst of both worlds... criticism because of who they accept funding from... but no actual funding to show for it.

Anyone know the scoop?

RawAlex · 09-06-2007, 04:33 PM

This is exactly the reason why FSC and ASACP were not invited to the meeting: this was a meeting by content people for content people about the issue of content, not another way for FSC to collect funds and to take on another "cause" that has nothing to do with them.

Memo to FSC: You laid down with the dogs that profit from stolen content and copyright violations. You got fleas. Don't be surprised when nobody wants to play.

As for Mr Douglas, well, SHAME ON YOU!

Jon B · 09-06-2007, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

yes. thank you andrew and hushmoney. you were a tremendous help to us. we are all part of the solution together.

Thank you Andrew, and thank you Airek and Hector. Airek you put together a strong group. Looking forward to seeing what happens. Airek I will contact you tomorrow for the last of the meeting I missed.

Thanks again guys!

seeric · 09-06-2007, 04:38 PM

absolutely jon b, thanks. please do.

Aussie Rebel · 09-06-2007, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D

Since it's the topic here, I'm pretty sure I caught the FSC reps say that though AFF has promised the funds to the FSC, they haven't actually followed through and delivered any yet.

I wonder what the story there is.

It would seem that the FSC may be getting the worst of both worlds... criticism because of who they accept funding from... but no actual funding to show for it.

Anyone know the scoop?

Very interesting, so lars makes a few threads bragging about donating and didn't donate at all? I wonder if ASACP got their money from him?

mikesouth · 09-06-2007, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

Wait . . . you wrote that without actually attending?

I didnt attend....I am in Atlanta and the notice was way too short. I did however get the info from someone who was there...2 someones actually as for douglas moderating it was widely reported that he would be the moderator...I made that assumption and it was incorrect, the rest is correct.

st0ned · 09-06-2007, 05:45 PM

Wow 10k donation from AFF...

D · 09-06-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

Very interesting, so lars makes a few threads bragging about donating and didn't donate at all?

I'm not saying that's for certain what happened... but I am looking for clarification.

markkernes · 09-07-2007, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth

So last night a group of content producers in LA got togetherfor a round table on how to deal with the piracy issue, and they made a mistake by inviting Jeffery Douglas to be the Moderator.

Douglas, who is beholden to the FSC, wasted no time in sneaking in a couple of FSC members posing as content producers (they weren?t) so that the FSC, who is a whore for anyone with a check, could try to wrangle control of the meeting.

AVN also showed up but they got turned away this meeting was only for content producers and distributors.

1) Douglas didn't moderate. If you'd actually been there, or even gotten accurate information of what happened there, you'd know that ... instead of going off on your usual rant about how horrible FSC is. You can read as accurate a story about the conference as I was able to write at AVN.com. (Sorry; can't post a link since I haven't posted to this list often enough.)

2) The Piracy Roundtable was news, and at AVN, we cover news -- sometimes even when the newsmakers don't particularly want that coverage. Only a few adult sites actually do that, yours not being one of them.

3) I am a "content producer" -- just not the same kind of content that most of the rest produce. And my shit gets pirated as well; I've seen it. Moreover, I promised whoever was guarding the door at the meeting that if I were allowed to attend, I would promise not to write about what I saw/heard in the meeting, but would base my story on whatever transpired at the "press conference" that was supposed to be held afterwards (which, BTW, didn't happen; I had to peg individual attendees as they left the room). But I would point out that it doesn't appear that anything happened in the meeting that would have compromised anyone attending or anything that was said if I had written about it -- especially since, unlike your own site, I don't write gossip or make personal attacks (well, except regarding Luke Ford occasionally, but he isn't really a member of the industry.) Perhaps the folks in charge of the next meeting, having seen my story on this one, will rethink their position on allowing press -- real press, that is; not gossip columnists -- into the meeting so the story can be more accurate.

stev0 · 09-07-2007, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

"AFF is one of the largest monetary supporters of pirate sites on the planet."

Thats kinda stretching it. AFF has made alot of people alot of money, has supported the industry. Promoters of AFF running stolen content sites needs to be nipped in the ass, but hardly the largest supporter of Pirate sites.

Many pirate sites run ad's for various programs other than AFF.

AFF is the biggest supporter of pirate sites hands down, find me one other program that is advertised on more torrent sites. There's a few other programs, but not as widespread as AFF.

seeric · 09-07-2007, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markkernes

1) Douglas didn't moderate. If you'd actually been there, or even gotten accurate information of what happened there, you'd know that ... instead of going off on your usual rant about how horrible FSC is. You can read as accurate a story about the conference as I was able to write at AVN.com. (Sorry; can't post a link since I haven't posted to this list often enough.)

2) The Piracy Roundtable was news, and at AVN, we cover news -- sometimes even when the newsmakers don't particularly want that coverage. Only a few adult sites actually do that, yours not being one of them.

3) I am a "content producer" -- just not the same kind of content that most of the rest produce. And my shit gets pirated as well; I've seen it. Moreover, I promised whoever was guarding the door at the meeting that if I were allowed to attend, I would promise not to write about what I saw/heard in the meeting, but would base my story on whatever transpired at the "press conference" that was supposed to be held afterwards (which, BTW, didn't happen; I had to peg individual attendees as they left the room). But I would point out that it doesn't appear that anything happened in the meeting that would have compromised anyone attending or anything that was said if I had written about it -- especially since, unlike your own site, I don't write gossip or make personal attacks (well, except regarding Luke Ford occasionally, but he isn't really a member of the industry.) Perhaps the folks in charge of the next meeting, having seen my story on this one, will rethink their position on allowing press -- real press, that is; not gossip columnists -- into the meeting so the story can be more accurate.

Mark,

I believe that you fully understood before even arriving that adult content producers were the only people being admitted. You still tried. Xbiz respected our wishes and also ended up with a great story in the end. I do respect you for not pulling some shady, sideways shenanigan like donning a waiters outfit and humping sandwiches through the back door disguised as a hotel employee. Not everyone had the respect to oblige our wishes. That will not be forgotten. Sometimes people just need to understand and respect that not everything needs to involve them. It was a PRIVATE meeting. I do not understand what people don't get about that. Everyone is so afraid that they are going to miss something in this industry and get their feelings hurt so easily about the littlest things. Subsequent meetings that are OPEN to all will happen. There will also be many more CLOSED meetings of the board and such that will not be promoted and will also not allow outside members. Sadly, thats just how its going to be. Great reporting, Thank you. You're a class act.

Airek

SmokeyTheBear · 09-07-2007, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

"AFF is one of the largest monetary supporters of pirate sites on the planet."

Thats kinda stretching it. .

from all the sites i have seen aff is BY FAR the largest

on lots of sites like megarotic aff is the only sponsor.

megarotic has more videos than any pornsite including paysites.

AFF is advertised on every signle one of them.. the sole sponsor..

and thats just megarotic

i thought he was actually being genrous on aff's part

RawAlex · 09-07-2007, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markkernes

I am a "content producer" -- just not the same kind of content that most of the rest produce.

...

Perhaps the folks in charge of the next meeting, having seen my story on this one, will rethink their position on allowing press -- real press, that is; not gossip columnists -- into the meeting so the story can be more accurate.

Mark, with due respect:

1) The meeting was for producers of adult content (image and video) Not for magazine writers or others. Anyone who writes a blog or types a post on this board also produces content, but that isn't the point, is it?

2) If you went as media, you should do as reporters do, which is sit quietly, take noted, and report what happened. If you went as a content producer, then you shouldn't have been reporting.

3) The apparent actions of certain people who are beholden to or part of the FSC shows exactly the reason why this group was limited to the content producers. The last thing this process needs is a third party group to jump in front of the wave and try to get political milage.

4) Any group or individual that is beholden to or part of the companies that profit from copyright violating sites need to stay far away. Groups like FSC and ASACP are apparently taking money from companies like AFF, and that is a real issue.

5) I am sure that the group will issue press releases and updates when they have something to say. I am sure you could write a story based on that.

Enjoy.

Fletch XXX · 09-07-2007, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth

from my eponymous website

The Free Speech Coalition Tries To Back Door The Piracy Roundtable
By MikeSouth

To understand this fully you need to know that The gutless, worthless jackals at the FSC recently accepted a 10,000 dollar donation from Adult Friend Finder (AFF). AFF is one of the largest monetary supporters of pirate sites on the planet.

So last night a group of content producers in LA got togetherfor a round table on how to deal with the piracy issue, and they made a mistake by inviting Jeffery Douglas to be the Moderator.

Douglas, who is beholden to the FSC, wasted no time in sneaking in a couple of FSC members posing as content producers (they weren?t) so that the FSC, who is a whore for anyone with a check, could try to wrangle control of the meeting.

dayyyyummm

will76 · 09-07-2007, 10:52 AM

Maybe AVN can interview their "partners" Adbrite about how they sell traffic for The Pirate Bay and other Torrent sites.

http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/p...vn&opid=52286&

DaddyHalbucks · 09-07-2007, 10:52 AM

Maybe the Free Speech Coalition can develop formal guidelines on piracy. That's the right way to proceed.

mikesouth · 09-07-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Maybe the Free Speech Coalition can develop formal guidelines on piracy. That's the right way to proceed.

Oh ya they are GOOD at stuff like that...they will do it and then sit on their collective sorry asses and summarily IGNORE it

DaddyHalbucks · 09-07-2007, 10:59 AM

This may be helpful:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement

KimJI · 09-07-2007, 11:02 AM

hats off to Greg Picconelli

Albert Fish · 09-07-2007, 11:06 AM

The FSC's job is to get those vague and indecipherable 2257 regulations thrown out of court.

By all rights that should be their one and only task until such time as they have accomplished it.

If they do so, well and good

If they can't, they need to disband because they'll have then shown themselves to be quite useless.

DateDoc · 09-07-2007, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

Maybe AVN can interview their "partners" Adbrite about how they sell traffic for The Pirate Bay and other Torrent sites.

http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/p...vn&opid=52286&

AVN has moved away from AdBrite and set up their own site that is not affiliated with AdBrite any more. Happened a few weeks ago and may still be in transition.

Brooklywood · 09-07-2007, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth

I didnt attend....I am in Atlanta and the notice was way too short. I did however get the info from someone who was there...2 someones actually as for douglas moderating it was widely reported that he would be the moderator...I made that assumption and it was incorrect, the rest is correct.

Where was this widely reported?

pornguy · 09-07-2007, 11:24 AM

A1R3K.

A HUGE thank you for your efforts. You are a man that should never pay for beer again.

seeric · 09-07-2007, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albert Fish

The FSC's job is to get those vague and indecipherable 2257 regulations thrown out of court.

By all rights that should be their one and only task until such time as they have accomplished it.

If they do so, well and good

If they can't, they need to disband because they'll have then shown themselves to be quite useless.

many believe, as do i, and i told jeffery in the meeting, the fsc is spread too thin already.

will76 · 09-07-2007, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

AVN has moved away from AdBrite and set up their own site that is not affiliated with AdBrite any more. Happened a few weeks ago and may still be in transition.

Not according to this website: http://valleywag.com/tech/online-adv...orn-294857.php

Apparently they kissed and made up a week ago.

seeric · 09-07-2007, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

A1R3K.

A HUGE thank you for your efforts. You are a man that should never pay for beer again.

i dont drink anymore. well, one or two here and there. but my ridiculous alcohol induced binges are over.

sinclair · 09-07-2007, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy

A1R3K.

A HUGE thank you for your efforts. You are a man that should never pay for beer again.

Here, Here! Can I convene The Free Beer for A1R3K Roundtable?

Sinclair

Gerco · 09-07-2007, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albert Fish

The FSC's job is to get those vague and indecipherable 2257 regulations thrown out of court.

By all rights that should be their one and only task until such time as they have accomplished it.

If they do so, well and good

If they can't, they need to disband because they'll have then shown themselves to be quite useless.

I'm not shitting you, I just woke up from a nap where I had a dream that I was calling the whitehouse and actually got thought to bush to give him my complaints on 2257 record keeping and the stresses It was going to have on smaller companies. Even when I sleep I tell ya.

will76 · 09-07-2007, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

many believe, as do i, and i told jeffery in the meeting, the fsc is spread too thin already.

IMO, FSC should stick to issues that try to hinder our Free Speach, mainly obscenity cases / porn stuff. That issue alone should be more than enough to keep them busy. While it is nice that they would like to help out with other issues it seems their involvement is problematic at best. Take for example the situation with dot xxx, as i remember the FSC was offered money for their support of dot xxx and some on their board wanted to take it and others didn't. With the Piracy stuff, how can they accept money from sites like AFF and try to help the rest of us fight piracy, it would be a conflict of interest. Much like the ASACP accepting donations from AFF which fund Torent sites that exploit children. However they just made lame bullshit excuses to try to justify it.

One thing we can all agree on is fighting obscenity and needing protection from the govt, I hope the FSC stays focused on that.

mikesouth · 09-07-2007, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XBizSteve

Where was this widely reported?

Luke ford and gene ross for 2 and i believe I saw it on avn as well

mikesouth · 09-07-2007, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

IMO, FSC should stick to issues that try to hinder our Free Speach, mainly obscenity cases / porn stuff. That issue alone should be more than enough to keep them busy. While it is nice that they would like to help out with other issues it seems their involvement is problematic at best. Take for example the situation with dot xxx, as i remember the FSC was offered money for their support of dot xxx and some on their board wanted to take it and others didn't. With the Piracy stuff, how can they accept money from sites like AFF and try to help the rest of us fight piracy, it would be a conflict of interest. Much like the ASACP accepting donations from AFF which fund Torent sites that exploit children. However they just made lame bullshit excuses to try to justify it.

One thing we can all agree on is fighting obscenity and needing protection from the govt, I hope the FSC stays focused on that.

:thum bsup

D · 09-07-2007, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

Groups like FSC and ASACP are apparently taking money from companies like AFF, and that is a real issue.
.

But are they actually receiving those monies?

Maybe it's neither here nor there since 'intent' is the only real issue in the minds of some, but I've already asked for clarification twice in this thread with no response from anyone involved.

It's kind of discouraging - and I'm pondering whether or not the issue merits it's own thread.

pocketkangaroo · 09-07-2007, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

IMO, FSC should stick to issues that try to hinder our Free Speach, mainly obscenity cases / porn stuff. That issue alone should be more than enough to keep them busy. While it is nice that they would like to help out with other issues it seems their involvement is problematic at best. Take for example the situation with dot xxx, as i remember the FSC was offered money for their support of dot xxx and some on their board wanted to take it and others didn't. With the Piracy stuff, how can they accept money from sites like AFF and try to help the rest of us fight piracy, it would be a conflict of interest. Much like the ASACP accepting donations from AFF which fund Torent sites that exploit children. However they just made lame bullshit excuses to try to justify it.

One thing we can all agree on is fighting obscenity and needing protection from the govt, I hope the FSC stays focused on that.

I agree. They have already lost all credibility when it comes to piracy.

seeric · 09-07-2007, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinclair

Here, Here! Can I convene The Free Beer for A1R3K Roundtable?

Sinclair

09-06-2007, 03:31 PM	#1
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	The Free Speech Coalition Tries To Back Door The Piracy Roundtable from my eponymous website The Free Speech Coalition Tries To Back Door The Piracy Roundtable By MikeSouth To understand this fully you need to know that The gutless, worthless jackals at the FSC recently accepted a 10,000 dollar donation from Adult Friend Finder (AFF). AFF is one of the largest monetary supporters of pirate sites on the planet. So last night a group of content producers in LA got togetherfor a round table on how to deal with the piracy issue, and they made a mistake by inviting Jeffery Douglas to be the Moderator. Douglas, who is beholden to the FSC, wasted no time in sneaking in a couple of FSC members posing as content producers (they weren?t) so that the FSC, who is a whore for anyone with a check, could try to wrangle control of the meeting. AVN also showed up but they got turned away this meeting was only for content producers and distributors. The good news is that the Free Speech Cabal was summarily rejected and essentially told to sit in the back of the truck and shut the fuck up, while the roundtable did it?s business. Kudos to them for that. I also want to acknowledge someone who has drawn criticism here in the past, that being Attorney Greg Picconelli, who stepped up and offered the group PRO BONO legal services with no limits. Now that?s stepping up to the plate and I applaud him for it. The group further organized and identified a plan of attack that I will not outline here. Suffice it to say I hope they are successful. Next time?Y?all have Greg moderate and kick that sorry fuck Douglas and his whore the FSC out on their asses. All the FSC wanted to do was gain control, pretend they are doing something (like they always do) and keep cashing checks from people profiting from stealing our hard work. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	amen brutha! hey, let's do dinner sometime soon man, you gunna be around this weekend?

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pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	Considering their lack of success with 2257 and some other issues, I don't think I'd put them in charge of anything.

09-06-2007, 04:03 PM	#10
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	jeffery douglas actually wasnt the moderator. we paid a professional from outside the industry 1k to do it and the guy did phenomenal.

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Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Porn Valley, CA Posts: 10,590	Domo arigato __________________ "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

09-06-2007, 04:06 PM	#12
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	p.s. there was no control and there is no fsc involvement in the new content producer movement. that you got my word on.

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D Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Valley Posts: 7,412	Since it's the topic here, I'm pretty sure I caught the FSC reps say that though AFF has promised the funds to the FSC, they haven't actually followed through and delivered any yet. I wonder what the story there is. It would seem that the FSC may be getting the worst of both worlds... criticism because of who they accept funding from... but no actual funding to show for it. Anyone know the scoop? __________________ -D. ICQ: 202-96-31

09-06-2007, 04:33 PM	#18
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	This is exactly the reason why FSC and ASACP were not invited to the meeting: this was a meeting by content people for content people about the issue of content, not another way for FSC to collect funds and to take on another "cause" that has nothing to do with them. Memo to FSC: You laid down with the dogs that profit from stolen content and copyright violations. You got fleas. Don't be surprised when nobody wants to play. As for Mr Douglas, well, SHAME ON YOU!

09-06-2007, 04:38 PM	#20
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	absolutely jon b, thanks. please do.

09-06-2007, 05:45 PM	#23
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09-07-2007, 10:52 AM	#31
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Maybe AVN can interview their "partners" Adbrite about how they sell traffic for The Pirate Bay and other Torrent sites. http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/p...vn&opid=52286& __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue Last edited by will76; 09-07-2007 at 10:54 AM..

09-07-2007, 10:52 AM	#32
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09-07-2007, 10:59 AM	#34
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09-07-2007, 11:02 AM	#35
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09-07-2007, 11:06 AM	#36
Albert Fish Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Manhattan, NY Posts: 6	The FSC's job is to get those vague and indecipherable 2257 regulations thrown out of court. By all rights that should be their one and only task until such time as they have accomplished it. If they do so, well and good If they can't, they need to disband because they'll have then shown themselves to be quite useless.

09-07-2007, 11:24 AM	#39
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