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pocketkangaroo · 10-06-2007, 11:19 AM

They do have a nice design on their MILF site:

http://www.gofuckamilf.com/01/index.php

will76 · 10-06-2007, 11:22 AM

so how will Quickbuck respond:

1. no response just ignore and hope it goes away (aka SexSearch Approach)

2. come in here and insult people and say "its legal" and say a lot of stupid shit (aka Lars approach).

3. Blame it on a bad affiliate (industry default response)

Quickdraw · 10-06-2007, 11:22 AM

For those of you trying to detect zango visitors. You should know that they use a myriad of headers, not just 'zango'. They also use, hotbar, hbtools, seekmo, and I'm sure many others.

For those of you talking about going strictly mainstream. That is good and all, but the grass isn't any greener over there.

mikeyddddd · 10-06-2007, 11:27 AM

kektex · 10-06-2007, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

so how will Quickbuck respond:

1. no response just ignore and hope it goes away (aka SexSearch Approach)

2. come in here and insult people and say "its legal" and say a lot of stupid shit (aka Lars approach).

3. Blame it on a bad affiliate (industry default response)

I'm gonna go with number 3 here, will! What do I win?

MaDalton · 10-06-2007, 11:29 AM

haha - quickbuck should update its signature from "fuck the surfers" to "fuck the surfers and our competition". but according to my observations from Amsterdam wiseman is a bro so probably not much will happen

Jace · 10-06-2007, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

For those of you trying to detect zango visitors. You should know that they use a myriad of headers, not just 'zango'. They also use, hotbar, hbtools, seekmo, and I'm sure many others.

For those of you talking about going strictly mainstream. That is good and all, but the grass isn't any greener over there.

hell no it isn't

mainstream is just as bad and is sometimes way more difficult...as bad as adult is sometimes, there isn't one issue I have that can't be dealt with in a few hours, with my mainstream stuff I have to give up on some promotions from the lack of caring by the program owners/employees

will76 · 10-06-2007, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

They do have a nice design on their MILF site:

http://www.gofuckamilf.com/01/index.php

FUCKING ASSHOLES... never ending exit pop up loop.

going to restart my pc now so this shit stops poping up. fuck this company.

this is real orginal btw....

will76 · 10-06-2007, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton

haha - quickbuck should update its signature from "fuck the surfers" to "fuck the surfers and our competition". but according to my observations from Amsterdam wiseman is a bro so probably not much will happen

fuck ths surfers is right, never ending pop up shit off of their sites. this was gay back in the 90's. no point to loop your exit pages so people cant leave. fucking assholes.

Quickdraw · 10-06-2007, 11:35 AM

Another company targeting wnu.com/secure..

Anyone guess who it is?

That's right, Megapornbucks, er, uh, I mean Sexbankroll

Axeman · 10-06-2007, 11:37 AM

We have seen a larger % of people filling out the nats join form only to never make it thru the sale the past couple weeks. No denial emails from CCbill just abrupt end. Given a % get cold feet but I have suspected a bigger issue is at hand and this gives me almost certainty.

will76 · 10-06-2007, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

Another company targeting wnu.com/secure..

Anyone guess who it is?

That's right, Megapornbucks, er, uh, I mean Sexbankroll

I guess this is just the new way to use zango.... why target the url when you can target the signup page directly. Zango should be sued for this as well.

FUCK SEXBANK ROLL and 18oncam.com mother fuckers been targeting ifriends.com for well over a year.

I wouldn't piss on these fuckers if they were on fire.

I can't believe some of you people still do business with them. I hope seeing shit like this cause more and more people to stop using them.

V_RocKs · 10-06-2007, 11:50 AM

Wow.. that is pretty scuzzy!

Shap · 10-06-2007, 11:58 AM

We now have the triad of threads going on to make webmasters aware

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774606
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774612
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774597

TeenCat · 10-06-2007, 11:58 AM

hm great work and fuck off everyone who is not playing nice!

»Rob Content« · 10-06-2007, 12:00 PM

Will just look up isearch or idownload

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Sil...d=99522&page=1

Here is a nice write up on idownload

http://spywarewarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=10726#64940

Ray@TastyDollars · 10-06-2007, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

We now have the triad of threads going on to make webmasters aware

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774606
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774612
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774597

Here is anohter good one

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=720781

dig420 · 10-06-2007, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

I guess you could drop ccbill

it's just a matter of someone buying the keywords from whatever billing company you choose to do biz with, it won't help anything. The only thing that WILL help is for someone to step up and sue the shit out of Zango for lost profits, and perhaps go after the companies who possibly violated trademark via the keywords they bought. I think everyone else is just like me though, waiting for someone else to step up and initiate the action. It will be expensive... a billing company would be a good candidate to get it started as they can afford it and they would probably generate a great deal of good will in the process.

Sysgenix · 10-06-2007, 12:04 PM

We have seen a ton of signups lost recently into blackholes that never made it to epoch, the thing is that it is not only Zango there are others

kektex · 10-06-2007, 12:04 PM

I think we need a site with a sponsor blacklist for these kind of scumbag sponsors.A site like that would go straight on my sig.
zangoblacklist.com hasnt been updated in ages.

Jace · 10-06-2007, 12:05 PM

http://www.viraldiscussion.com/post/...ill-join-forms

VOTE ON THAT...KEEP IT HIGH!

Gnus · 10-06-2007, 12:05 PM

Well I just got off ICQ with Wiseman regarding this issue. The response I got was "fucking afiliates ok well im outa town will send an email see whats up". Told him he needs to respond to this so we'll see.

Gary

Quickdraw · 10-06-2007, 12:06 PM

And here we have freepornlessons(you bros know who this is....) targeting secure.hustler.com

Mutt · 10-06-2007, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sysgenix

We have seen a ton of signups lost recently into blackholes that never made it to epoch, the thing is that it is not only Zango there are others

that's what i think - there are others and more coming i'm sure.

Drake · 10-06-2007, 12:07 PM

I think Quickbucks is one of the biggest names in adult. I think there was a thread about them not too long ago where it was said that they payout over $1million to affiliates each month.

xclusive · 10-06-2007, 12:07 PM

Fuck me they are brilliant, They learned how to shave sales from other programs. This really is a criminal act and with the amount they are pulling in i'm sure it could lead to some jail time.

nation-x · 10-06-2007, 12:07 PM

I say we file a class action lawsuit againsta these fucks.

HS-Trixxxia · 10-06-2007, 12:09 PM

Guys - for me it's simple. Calculate the losses in the past few months. Video tape this transaction going bad. Click on the sites that have your stolen content - signup - get jacked by them. Then will you all put your money together and put it where your mouth is and sue these crooks? These are not people you want to do business with.

They will smile and pal you at shows and send you deals some other way and fuck you up the ass with no lube the other way. They affect your business cuz when YOUR sites aren't converting anymore (because sales are jacked to go to their sites)- affiliates think it's YOU that is either doing something shady, or your shit don't convert. So you get DP without lube and you didn't ask for it!

Class action lawsuit - I'm sure there are a few hungry lawyers with balls and you will get support from other programs losing millions and affiliates alike.

On another note - weren't Zango in court and settled with the FTC about targetting direct urls? Guess you need to document this shit fast and hit up the FTC.

xclusive · 10-06-2007, 12:11 PM

We are all going to get chairs thrown at us, I heard that wiseman is out at walmart stocking up on cheap chairs.

Gnus · 10-06-2007, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus

Well I just got off ICQ with Wiseman regarding this issue. The response I got was "fucking afiliates ok well im outa town will send an email see whats up". Told him he needs to respond to this so we'll see.

From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

Mutt · 10-06-2007, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus

From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

MaDalton · 10-06-2007, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus

From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

yeah, probably

xclusive · 10-06-2007, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

Ray@TastyDollars · 10-06-2007, 12:21 PM

Quickdraw

Can you please see if the same thing happens when you visit site with their own merchant accounts? Site not using 3rd party billers.

thx!!
Ray

Jace · 10-06-2007, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus

From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

wow, so an affiliate has access to campigns that NO OTHER affiliate has access to?

you can't get the xxxpass link codes from the webmaster admin, at least 5 people I know have tried it, so how does that work again?

thonglife · 10-06-2007, 12:24 PM

Quote:

From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

How the fuck can an affiliate be doing this. That motherfucker can go suck a dick.

Quickdraw · 10-06-2007, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus

From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

Yeah, I'm sure it is..

THY · 10-06-2007, 12:25 PM

this shit is fucked up... is it only with epoch and ccbill? what about the other smaller billers? how long till they get hit as well...

anyone has an idea of what % of adult surfers are infected with zango?
is there some way to know that?

Jman · 10-06-2007, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnus

From my conversation with Wiseman I assume this could be an affiliate doing this.

Gary

No shit... It's ALWAYS an affiliate

BlackCrayon · 10-06-2007, 12:29 PM

Wow, this is unbelieveable.

Rui · 10-06-2007, 12:31 PM

Wonder what the same people busting Shap's ass in the other threads have to say about this...

scumbags...

Shoplifter · 10-06-2007, 12:33 PM

Quickdraw, where did you download this toolbar? We want to try to duplicate this and see if our own sites are clean.

Jace · 10-06-2007, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shoplifter

Quickdraw, where did you download this toolbar? We want to try to duplicate this and see if our own sites are clean.

zango dot com

Sysgenix · 10-06-2007, 12:37 PM

What about this idea to bring more attention to this then zango can handle?

See if their toolbars popup anything on big companies such as Microsoft, HP, Costco, and such? Make those companies aware of that issue as a customer who was trying to order something.

will76 · 10-06-2007, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

http://www.viraldiscussion.com/post/...ill-join-forms

VOTE ON THAT...KEEP IT HIGH!

Yeah you right

HS-Trixxxia · 10-06-2007, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sysgenix

What about this idea to bring more attention to this then zango can handle?

See if their toolbars popup anything on big companies such as Microsoft, HP, Costco, and such? Make those companies aware of that issue as a customer who was trying to order something.

Could be an idea - inundate MS with reports & proof to back it up. They'll find a way to zap them out.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-06-2007, 12:43 PM

Welcome to two years ago. I mentioned this a long ass time ago, was called an idiot, and was even fucking banned for pointing it out, now ya guys see it and all of a sudden it is a shock?

You people are fucking retarded.

Wiseman · 10-06-2007, 12:43 PM

Ok well It's family time. But Affiliate will be banned asap. And for those claiming xxxpass isnt in our program you are very wrong. ITs in there you just have to request it. More to come

will76 · 10-06-2007, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quickdraw

Yeah, I'm sure it is..

This is from http://www.xbiz.com/articles/10484

Gilbert counters that "adware is just another medium. Just like with dialers, where there are those who abuse them and those who use them fairly. Regardless of what some people have said, we've always stayed on the kinder, gentler side of desktop marketing."

and using Zango to pop up over ccbill and epoch's signup page is being kind and gentle marketing ??????

nigga please.

will76 · 10-06-2007, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiseman

Ok well It's family time. But Affiliate will be banned asap. And for those claiming xxxpass isnt in our program you are very wrong. ITs in there you just have to request it. More to come

Thats what sexbank roll said.... and in their case the url being used was on their server and not an affiliate. And a year later they are still using zango.

So if this is an affiliate is should stop now and we should never see it happen again... personaly I am not buying the "its an affiliate". You guys just happen to be involved with your own "adware", your slogan is " fuck the surfer" and you have a very shaddy history from what I hear. I guess it was just a coincidence this bad affiliate picked your program to do this.

10-06-2007, 11:22 AM	#52
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	so how will Quickbuck respond: 1. no response just ignore and hope it goes away (aka SexSearch Approach) 2. come in here and insult people and say "its legal" and say a lot of stupid shit (aka Lars approach). 3. Blame it on a bad affiliate (industry default response) __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

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10-06-2007, 11:29 AM	#56
MaDalton I am Amazing Content! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 39,826	haha - quickbuck should update its signature from "fuck the surfers" to "fuck the surfers and our competition". but according to my observations from Amsterdam wiseman is a bro so probably not much will happen __________________ AmazingContent.com - providing only the best content and service since 2003 Monetize your content on Veegaz.com - one of Germanies largest VOD sites Got German traffic? We convert it into money for you! Skype: madalton02826 - Email: oltecconsult [at] gmail [dot] com

10-06-2007, 11:37 AM	#61
Axeman Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Swamp Posts: 5,201	We have seen a larger % of people filling out the nats join form only to never make it thru the sale the past couple weeks. No denial emails from CCbill just abrupt end. Given a % get cold feet but I have suspected a bigger issue is at hand and this gives me almost certainty. __________________ XXXRewards - Karups - Boyfun - Jawked. Paying on time since 1997. Contact me at brent [at] xxxrewards.com

10-06-2007, 11:58 AM	#65
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10-06-2007, 11:19 AM	#51
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10-06-2007, 11:22 AM	#53
Quickdraw Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: → → → Posts: 1,717	For those of you trying to detect zango visitors. You should know that they use a myriad of headers, not just 'zango'. They also use, hotbar, hbtools, seekmo, and I'm sure many others. For those of you talking about going strictly mainstream. That is good and all, but the grass isn't any greener over there.

10-06-2007, 11:35 AM	#60
Quickdraw Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: → → → Posts: 1,717	Another company targeting wnu.com/secure.. Anyone guess who it is? That's right, Megapornbucks, er, uh, I mean Sexbankroll

10-06-2007, 11:50 AM	#63
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,391	Wow.. that is pretty scuzzy!

10-06-2007, 11:58 AM	#64
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	We now have the triad of threads going on to make webmasters aware http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774606 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774612 http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=774597

10-06-2007, 12:00 PM	#66
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10-06-2007, 12:04 PM	#69
Sysgenix Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 287	We have seen a ton of signups lost recently into blackholes that never made it to epoch, the thing is that it is not only Zango there are others __________________ Ads available on ebony niche site.

10-06-2007, 12:04 PM	#70
kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	I think we need a site with a sponsor blacklist for these kind of scumbag sponsors.A site like that would go straight on my sig. zangoblacklist.com hasnt been updated in ages.

10-06-2007, 12:05 PM	#71
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	http://www.viraldiscussion.com/post/...ill-join-forms VOTE ON THAT...KEEP IT HIGH!

10-06-2007, 12:05 PM	#72
Gnus Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 577	Well I just got off ICQ with Wiseman regarding this issue. The response I got was "fucking afiliates ok well im outa town will send an email see whats up". Told him he needs to respond to this so we'll see. Gary __________________ ICQ -73665782 Domains for sale - milfwatch.com $2k, pornnut.com $500, assforu.com $2K, xxxratedonly.com $1K

10-06-2007, 12:06 PM	#73
Quickdraw Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: → → → Posts: 1,717	And here we have freepornlessons(you bros know who this is....) targeting secure.hustler.com

10-06-2007, 12:07 PM	#75
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	I think Quickbucks is one of the biggest names in adult. I think there was a thread about them not too long ago where it was said that they payout over $1million to affiliates each month.

10-06-2007, 12:07 PM	#76
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	Fuck me they are brilliant, They learned how to shave sales from other programs. This really is a criminal act and with the amount they are pulling in i'm sure it could lead to some jail time. __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

10-06-2007, 12:07 PM	#77
nation-x Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,370	I say we file a class action lawsuit againsta these fucks.

10-06-2007, 12:09 PM	#78
HS-Trixxxia Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 2,946	Guys - for me it's simple. Calculate the losses in the past few months. Video tape this transaction going bad. Click on the sites that have your stolen content - signup - get jacked by them. Then will you all put your money together and put it where your mouth is and sue these crooks? These are not people you want to do business with. They will smile and pal you at shows and send you deals some other way and fuck you up the ass with no lube the other way. They affect your business cuz when YOUR sites aren't converting anymore (because sales are jacked to go to their sites)- affiliates think it's YOU that is either doing something shady, or your shit don't convert. So you get DP without lube and you didn't ask for it! Class action lawsuit - I'm sure there are a few hungry lawyers with balls and you will get support from other programs losing millions and affiliates alike. On another note - weren't Zango in court and settled with the FTC about targetting direct urls? Guess you need to document this shit fast and hit up the FTC. __________________ ~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~ Patrizia COO - ♥ MassiveDollars Email: patrizia at MassiveDollars dot com ICQ: 465.826.441 Yahoo: trixxxia_me MSN: trixxxia at hotmail dot com Last edited by HS-Trixxxia; 10-06-2007 at 12:11 PM..

10-06-2007, 12:11 PM	#79
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	We are all going to get chairs thrown at us, I heard that wiseman is out at walmart stocking up on cheap chairs. __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

10-06-2007, 12:21 PM	#84
Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	Quickdraw Can you please see if the same thing happens when you visit site with their own merchant accounts? Site not using 3rd party billers. thx!! Ray __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

10-06-2007, 12:25 PM	#88
THY Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 351	this shit is fucked up... is it only with epoch and ccbill? what about the other smaller billers? how long till they get hit as well... anyone has an idea of what % of adult surfers are infected with zango? is there some way to know that?

10-06-2007, 12:29 PM	#90
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	Wow, this is unbelieveable. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

10-06-2007, 12:31 PM	#91
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Wonder what the same people busting Shap's ass in the other threads have to say about this... scumbags...

10-06-2007, 12:33 PM	#92
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,679	Quickdraw, where did you download this toolbar? We want to try to duplicate this and see if our own sites are clean.

10-06-2007, 12:37 PM	#94
Sysgenix Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 287	What about this idea to bring more attention to this then zango can handle? See if their toolbars popup anything on big companies such as Microsoft, HP, Costco, and such? Make those companies aware of that issue as a customer who was trying to order something. __________________ Ads available on ebony niche site.

10-06-2007, 12:43 PM	#97
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10-06-2007, 12:43 PM	#98
Wiseman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,990	Ok well It's family time. But Affiliate will be banned asap. And for those claiming xxxpass isnt in our program you are very wrong. ITs in there you just have to request it. More to come __________________ []E-mail: [email protected][]ICQ: 109726012[*]AIM: QbWiseman