Using Zango to steal Ccbill join form traffic. What can we do about this? - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

will76 · 10-06-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

Ok well It's family time. But Affiliate will be banned asap. And for those claiming xxxpass isnt in our program you are very wrong. ITs in there you just have to request it. More to come

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Originally Posted by will76

so how will Quickbuck respond:

1. no response just ignore and hope it goes away (aka SexSearch Approach)

2. come in here and insult people and say "its legal" and say a lot of stupid shit (aka Lars approach).

3. Blame it on a bad affiliate (industry default response)

ding ding we have a winner. #3 blamed the affiliate.

I hope ccbill sues, if they subpenaed your records you would have to show proof it was an affiliate other then us just having to take your word for it.

fuzebox · 10-06-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

Ok well It's family time. But Affiliate will be banned asap. And for those claiming xxxpass isnt in our program you are very wrong. ITs in there you just have to request it. More to come

There's no way for a random affiliate to send directly to your merchant page unless you set up a redirect for him though...

Jace · 10-06-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

There's no way for a random affiliate to send directly to your merchant page unless you set up a redirect for him though...

oh snap!

xxxice · 10-06-2007, 12:54 PM

U didn't notice this "affiliate" before today?

xclusive · 10-06-2007, 12:56 PM

thonglife · 10-06-2007, 12:59 PM

That's total fucking bullshit. I installed zango when all this went down. I then went to one of my own free sites and clicked the very first link I saw which happened to be a Raging Bucks NATS link. I clicked through to the join page, filled in the information for user details and clicked "Join Now" to passthrough to Epoch. The join page came up only to be poped completely over with your shit. You got caught and just now turned the shit off.. because it's not doing it now.

See sig asshole.. see sig.

Jace · 10-06-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thonglife

That's total fucking bullshit. I installed zango when all this went down. I then went to one of my own free sites and clicked the very first link I saw which happened to be a Raging Bucks NATS link. I clicked through to the join page, filled in the information for user details and clicked "Join Now" to passthrough to Epoch. The join page came up only to be poped completely over with your shit. You got caught and just now turned the shit off.. because it's not doing it now.

See sig asshole.. see sig.

or maybe their affiliate just happened to be right next to the phone when they called and instantly turned it all off

ROFL..yeah, right

Mutt · 10-06-2007, 01:01 PM

oh yeah the 'rogue affiliate' thing is really going to work in 2007

sell stupid someplace else we're all stocked up here.

Thomas N · 10-06-2007, 01:02 PM

Guys, I have banned the account. Any time you guys find something like this, email it to me [email protected] and I can handle it fast. I would have resolved this faster had I not been at a family outing.

Heading back out into the nice weather.

fuzebox · 10-06-2007, 01:04 PM

I'm also curious, don't a lot of sales with 0 clicks set off your fraud detection tools?

2012 · 10-06-2007, 01:05 PM

thonglife · 10-06-2007, 01:05 PM

Hey Fallguy.. I am not and never will be an affiliate of QuickSteal. Perhaps you can explain

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That's total fucking bullshit. I installed zango when all this went down. I then went to one of my own free sites and clicked the very first link I saw which happened to be a Raging Bucks NATS link. I clicked through to the join page, filled in the information for user details and clicked "Join Now" to passthrough to Epoch. The join page came up only to be poped completely over with your shit. You got caught and just now turned the shit off.. because it's not doing it now.

So are you saying you have an affiliate that compromised my server? If that's the case.. you are in some deep fucking shit.

Jace · 10-06-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I'm also curious, don't a lot of sales with 0 clicks set off your fraud detection tools?

OMFG

mikeyddddd · 10-06-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SwordFish

Guys, I have banned the account. Any time you guys find something like this, email it to me [email protected] and I can handle it fast. I would have resolved this faster had I not been at a family outing.

Heading back out into the nice weather.

So you banned the account.

What would happen with the stolen joins?

kektex · 10-06-2007, 01:11 PM

I'm so glad this thread came up before I sent a single click to these people.
Their reply was so predictable.

Gnus · 10-06-2007, 01:11 PM

I just passing on the message from the ICQ convo we had is all. I said assumed if you read the response I gave. Busy pulling links as we speak.

Gary

Quickdraw · 10-06-2007, 01:11 PM

Ray @ Tasty-
If a site has any traffic, you can bet they are a target.
See the Hustler grab I posted. The target was secure.hustler.com

idownload and quickbuck have the same owner according to the xbiz article posted.
http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/idownload.com

dig420 · 10-06-2007, 01:13 PM

One of these days you people will learn... anyone who will fuck the surfer will fuck the webmaster. It's not just quickbuck. ANY proggie that spams big time, opens endless consoles, double bills - if they'll fuck a surfer they'll fuck you.

If you want an honest proggie, find one that is honest with the surfer and makes their money with good sticky sites. That's who's going to take care of you in the long term. If they treat the surfer right, they'll treat you right.

RawAlex · 10-06-2007, 01:16 PM

CCBill needs to take action against Zango and Quickbuck. Quite simply, this is putting me in the position of not wanting to send traffic to sites that use the standard CCBill interface. The value of their business and the trust of webmasters in this billing method has clearly been hurt.

I feel sorry for anyone using CCBill direct at this point, because without change, things don't look good right now.

pocketkangaroo · 10-06-2007, 01:16 PM

So an affiliate in your program can bypass the site and link directly to the merchant billing page without an affiliate code? To a site that isn't even listed in your affiliate panel. And all this without you noticing that not a single click is sent to the site yet all these sales are coming in?

Seriously, do you really think people are buying this?

Ray@TastyDollars · 10-06-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Quickdraw

Ray @ Tasty-
If a site has any traffic, you can bet they are a target.
See the Hustler grab I posted. The target was secure.hustler.com

idownload and quickbuck have the same owner according to the xbiz article posted.
http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/idownload.com

Ahh, I didnt notice Hustler. Thx man

SomeCreep · 10-06-2007, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiseman

Ok well It's family time. But Affiliate will be banned asap. And for those claiming xxxpass isnt in our program you are very wrong. ITs in there you just have to request it. More to come

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwordFish

Guys, I have banned the account. Any time you guys find something like this, email it to me [email protected] and I can handle it fast. I would have resolved this faster had I not been at a family outing.

Heading back out into the nice weather.

Mutt · 10-06-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

CCBill needs to take action against Zango and Quickbuck. Quite simply, this is putting me in the position of not wanting to send traffic to sites that use the standard CCBill interface. The value of their business and the trust of webmasters in this billing method has clearly been hurt.

I feel sorry for anyone using CCBill direct at this point, because without change, things don't look good right now.

that's not fair to CCBILL - Paycom's join pages were hijacked as well and even programs like Hustler who do their own billing.

jscott · 10-06-2007, 01:21 PM

i dont have much traffic going to quickbuck, but the small amounts i do is getting pulled now, and blacklisting quickbuck aswell on my sponsors page

thats fucked up guys

Quick Buck · 10-06-2007, 01:21 PM

i'm going to start a seperate thread to answer this. not much use when the witches claim we're either stealing or lying.

Sebastian Sands · 10-06-2007, 01:22 PM

everyone says ccbill needs to... But is quickbuck processing through ccbill or epoch? the billing companies still get their cash from you or quickbuck or anyone else.. not pointing fingers just saying.

Sebs

MaDalton · 10-06-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420

One of these days you people will learn... anyone who will fuck the surfer will fuck the webmaster. It's not just quickbuck. ANY proggie that spams big time, opens endless consoles, double bills - if they'll fuck a surfer they'll fuck you.

If you want an honest proggie, find one that is honest with the surfer and makes their money with good sticky sites. That's who's going to take care of you in the long term. If they treat the surfer right, they'll treat you right.

my thoughts exactly

thonglife · 10-06-2007, 01:25 PM

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i'm going to start a seperate thread to answer this. not much use when the witches claim we're either stealing or lying.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs

jscott · 10-06-2007, 01:26 PM

i still cant believe how all these scamming companies appear to be totally untouchable from laws, it's shocking, and sad

pocketkangaroo · 10-06-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by thonglife

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4zbmENT4D0k

Quick Buck · 10-06-2007, 01:43 PM

here you go zoo crew... i don't think we'll be commenting further. no point.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=13198153

Taass · 10-06-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I'd expect ccBill and Paycom to get their legal teams all over this.
WG

Just what I was thinking.. Having one account holder stealing from the others should have them pulled from billing right away

RawAlex · 10-06-2007, 02:03 PM

Quick Buck is also at the end of the line for all the sites like this:

http://www.anjalikara.org/

packed full of "borrowed" content from other programs used to promote only xxxpass.

Nice stuff.

mikeyddddd · 10-06-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

This was posted in another thread.
If a surfer with the zango toolbar tries to join a ccbill site they get popped with the XXXPass join form on top of the Ccbill join form.

What can be done to stop this? This is definitely hurts all sites processing with ccbill.

I'm curious about what would happen if someone used Zango to target xxxpass.com.

georgeyw · 10-06-2007, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Quick Buck

here you go zoo crew... i don't think we'll be commenting further. no point.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=13198153

holy shit, there are some seriously unethical people in this industry and you'd probably just about make #1

SleazyDream · 10-06-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex

I guess you could drop ccbill

wouldn't just be ccbill - they could do it on any processor.

good thing is doing it to ccbill, they just went after a MAJOR corporation that will protect their assets and reputation in court with major lawyers.

BIG mistake for zango. will take time but ccbill won't let something like this go.

mpahlca · 10-06-2007, 02:52 PM

I wonder if anyone buying trademark terms such as; Hustler or Twistys is really thinking about trademark and copyright violation? It will be interesting to see, what a lawyer has to say about it.

rowan · 10-06-2007, 02:52 PM

Possible quick fix: a timed self.focus() if the biller's join page detects zango installed? That will ensure the proper join page pulls focus and is on top, although it will still ultimately damage surfer confidence after they complete the signup and find another paysite signup form underneath it.

BlackCrayon · 10-06-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Quick Buck

i'm going to start a seperate thread to answer this. not much use when the witches claim we're either stealing or lying.

Good luck explaining how it was linked directly to your merchant page.

QuaWee · 10-06-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by thonglife

I hear ya man... headed to mainstream as well.

it happens in manstream too. trust me

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-06-2007, 03:49 PM

I thought doing all this shit was pretty normal, now it is not?
It's been goin for years, so now it is NOT OK?

I mentioned this a while back ago and was called an idiot, that its not happening and that even if it is nothing can will be done about it.

I do not give a fuck one way another, you people are just stupid.

Wondering how much longer it's gonna take you morons to see code swaps on sign up pages next...

dig420 · 10-06-2007, 03:54 PM

you are a genius Alien, we all bask in your glory. Thanks.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-06-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420

you are a genius Alien, we all bask in your glory. Thanks.

If ya guys thought I was wealthy ya all would be sucking my dick at the snap of a finger to

But on another note, you guys keep pointing shit out on some sort of band wagon and its the kinda shit that has been happening for quite a while...

I do not know what happened to smart webmaster's I really don't.

I just gave the adult webmaster community more credit than I should have. Fact is you people are fucking DUMB. When I say something I am an idiot and retard...

When a retard goes and says it, you people are like OMGz how!!!! ???? OMGS thats theft!!!

It's pathetic. But since my new policy of not giving a shit about any of this, I have been knocking out my own corner of the universe and its gettin better every day.

Juicy D. Links · 10-06-2007, 03:59 PM

god i love this biz.... amazing

qxm · 10-06-2007, 04:07 PM

this is some fucked up shit......

TampaToker · 10-06-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

We have seen a larger % of people filling out the nats join form only to never make it thru the sale the past couple weeks. No denial emails from CCbill just abrupt end. Given a % get cold feet but I have suspected a bigger issue is at hand and this gives me almost certainty.

yeap yeap same thing here

Shoplifter · 10-06-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

CCBill needs to take action against Zango and Quickbuck. Quite simply, this is putting me in the position of not wanting to send traffic to sites that use the standard CCBill interface. The value of their business and the trust of webmasters in this billing method has clearly been hurt.

I feel sorry for anyone using CCBill direct at this point, because without change, things don't look good right now.

Absolutely. This undermines the basic fundamentals of the whole industry and CCBill must put the legal slam on these guys to ensure that trust in the process and product is maintained.

And not just CCBill...I suppose the time has come for all of the processors and webmasters themselves to be vigilant in detecting and combating this sort of fraud. I'm installing Zango on an old box and intend to do some urfing this weekend to see what comes up.

TampaToker · 10-06-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by thonglife

That's total fucking bullshit. I installed zango when all this went down. I then went to one of my own free sites and clicked the very first link I saw which happened to be a Raging Bucks NATS link. I clicked through to the join page, filled in the information for user details and clicked "Join Now" to passthrough to Epoch. The join page came up only to be poped completely over with your shit. You got caught and just now turned the shit off.. because it's not doing it now.

See sig asshole.. see sig.

Son of a bitch just tried it myself sure enough fuckin popup

dig420 · 10-06-2007, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

If ya guys thought I was wealthy ya all would be sucking my dick at the snap of a finger to

But on another note, you guys keep pointing shit out on some sort of band wagon and its the kinda shit that has been happening for quite a while...

I do not know what happened to smart webmaster's I really don't.

I just gave the adult webmaster community more credit than I should have. Fact is you people are fucking DUMB. When I say something I am an idiot and retard...

When a retard goes and says it, you people are like OMGz how!!!! ???? OMGS thats theft!!!

It's pathetic. But since my new policy of not giving a shit about any of this, I have been knocking out my own corner of the universe and its gettin better every day.

nah I wouldn't allow some of the richest guys in this business to come in my house.

The funny thing is that you REALLY think you're the first one to 'speak out' on this type of thing, and everybody just ignored you because... well... you're you.

Keep your nose to the grindstone, it's the best policy.

NinjaSteve · 10-06-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

That's just brutal.

Should we expect a reply from Quickbuck in here?

Brutal indeed.

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10-06-2007, 01:01 PM	#108
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10-06-2007, 01:11 PM	#116
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10-06-2007, 01:21 PM	#125
Quick Buck Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Free-Trials.......... Weekly-Payouts..... 100+Sites Posts: 1,026	i'm going to start a seperate thread to answer this. not much use when the witches claim we're either stealing or lying. __________________ $50 FREE TRIALS! Every Day til 2008!!! Only at QuickBuck

10-06-2007, 12:54 PM	#104
xxxice Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,042	U didn't notice this "affiliate" before today?

10-06-2007, 12:59 PM	#106
thonglife So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Midwest, US Posts: 1,566	That's total fucking bullshit. I installed zango when all this went down. I then went to one of my own free sites and clicked the very first link I saw which happened to be a Raging Bucks NATS link. I clicked through to the join page, filled in the information for user details and clicked "Join Now" to passthrough to Epoch. The join page came up only to be poped completely over with your shit. You got caught and just now turned the shit off.. because it's not doing it now. See sig asshole.. see sig.

10-06-2007, 01:02 PM	#109
Thomas N Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 973	Guys, I have banned the account. Any time you guys find something like this, email it to me [email protected] and I can handle it fast. I would have resolved this faster had I not been at a family outing. Heading back out into the nice weather.

10-06-2007, 01:04 PM	#110
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,010	I'm also curious, don't a lot of sales with 0 clicks set off your fraud detection tools?

10-06-2007, 01:11 PM	#115
kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	I'm so glad this thread came up before I sent a single click to these people. Their reply was so predictable.

10-06-2007, 01:11 PM	#117
Quickdraw Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: → → → Posts: 1,717	Ray @ Tasty- If a site has any traffic, you can bet they are a target. See the Hustler grab I posted. The target was secure.hustler.com idownload and quickbuck have the same owner according to the xbiz article posted. http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/idownload.com

10-06-2007, 01:13 PM	#118
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	One of these days you people will learn... anyone who will fuck the surfer will fuck the webmaster. It's not just quickbuck. ANY proggie that spams big time, opens endless consoles, double bills - if they'll fuck a surfer they'll fuck you. If you want an honest proggie, find one that is honest with the surfer and makes their money with good sticky sites. That's who's going to take care of you in the long term. If they treat the surfer right, they'll treat you right.

10-06-2007, 01:16 PM	#119
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	CCBill needs to take action against Zango and Quickbuck. Quite simply, this is putting me in the position of not wanting to send traffic to sites that use the standard CCBill interface. The value of their business and the trust of webmasters in this billing method has clearly been hurt. I feel sorry for anyone using CCBill direct at this point, because without change, things don't look good right now.

10-06-2007, 01:16 PM	#120
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	So an affiliate in your program can bypass the site and link directly to the merchant billing page without an affiliate code? To a site that isn't even listed in your affiliate panel. And all this without you noticing that not a single click is sent to the site yet all these sales are coming in? Seriously, do you really think people are buying this?

10-06-2007, 01:21 PM	#124
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	i dont have much traffic going to quickbuck, but the small amounts i do is getting pulled now, and blacklisting quickbuck aswell on my sponsors page thats fucked up guys

10-06-2007, 01:22 PM	#126
Sebastian Sands Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ICQ: 211-417-740 Posts: 5,223	everyone says ccbill needs to... But is quickbuck processing through ccbill or epoch? the billing companies still get their cash from you or quickbuck or anyone else.. not pointing fingers just saying. Sebs

10-06-2007, 01:26 PM	#129
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	i still cant believe how all these scamming companies appear to be totally untouchable from laws, it's shocking, and sad

10-06-2007, 01:43 PM	#131
Quick Buck Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Free-Trials.......... Weekly-Payouts..... 100+Sites Posts: 1,026	here you go zoo crew... i don't think we'll be commenting further. no point. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?p=13198153 __________________ $50 FREE TRIALS! Every Day til 2008!!! Only at QuickBuck

10-06-2007, 02:03 PM	#133
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Quick Buck is also at the end of the line for all the sites like this: http://www.anjalikara.org/ packed full of "borrowed" content from other programs used to promote only xxxpass. Nice stuff.

10-06-2007, 02:52 PM	#137
mpahlca Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,821	I wonder if anyone buying trademark terms such as; Hustler or Twistys is really thinking about trademark and copyright violation? It will be interesting to see, what a lawyer has to say about it. __________________ I could give two shits wether you read this sig or not.

10-06-2007, 02:52 PM	#138
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Possible quick fix: a timed self.focus() if the biller's join page detects zango installed? That will ensure the proper join page pulls focus and is on top, although it will still ultimately damage surfer confidence after they complete the signup and find another paysite signup form underneath it.

10-06-2007, 03:49 PM	#141
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I thought doing all this shit was pretty normal, now it is not? It's been goin for years, so now it is NOT OK? I mentioned this a while back ago and was called an idiot, that its not happening and that even if it is nothing can will be done about it. I do not give a fuck one way another, you people are just stupid. Wondering how much longer it's gonna take you morons to see code swaps on sign up pages next... __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

10-06-2007, 03:54 PM	#142
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	you are a genius Alien, we all bask in your glory. Thanks.

10-06-2007, 03:59 PM	#144
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	god i love this biz.... amazing

10-06-2007, 04:07 PM	#145
qxm Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NoHo Posts: 5,970	this is some fucked up shit...... __________________ ICQ: 266990876