The Absolute Poker Cheating Scandal Blown Wide Open - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

eroswebmaster · 10-21-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420

still sticking by the 'only losers think online poker is rigged' storyline?

Yes...because loser's apply it across the board when even if it is proven that a company owner had something to do with it, it's still an isolated event.

eroswebmaster · 10-21-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Eros, you are correct. But you miss it again: 24k to the company to run the show, and by placing a single player in 3rd place, they would take another 27k - worth a ton more if it isn't going to the company but rather to an employee's personal account, example. There is a limit to how many big money games will play in a day - so taking a major ass second skim is the most profitable way to do thing. Heck, add more big money tournaments, and just skim those too... who cares? Do it over every multi-table game running every day, and tell me how much money that would be going into someone's offshore account.

In a scheme like this, they would NEVER win. Winning is bad. Taking some of the money off the final table is good. 3rd place, 5th place, 6tth place. You have a player who finishes routinely in the top 20 but never really wins, and he would blend into the stats like a ton of other player would. Use hundreds of user names, build them up over time, let them all make money, and smile.

The best part? The game could be audited down to the last card and nobody would be the wiser. No playing with the shuffle, no playing with the dealing, no nothing. Just knowing what cards will be in play and calculating the which hand wins is enough. Debug info, basically.

I'm honestly getting tired of having to educate you...LOL.

The rake these sites make just like in live games comes from the huge amount of low limit games going on out there, not the big games, so it doesn't matter how many big games they have going on as long as the low limit players keep feeding the rake machine.

Example:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1571041
A $96,000 pot an the rake was $1.00

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1614099
$2/$4 NL game $200 pot, $3 rake.

Now to get back to your top 20 finisher theory, once again, tournament pay out schedules are top heavy, favoring the top 3 finishers. Why would they try to skim $5K here or there, when they're making $20K off of a tournament, when all they have to do is start up another without any risk.

I am not saying there has never ever been a "rogue" employee, which may be the case at Absolute. But there is no reason for PokerStars, or PartyPoker to risk an easy money making machine just to increase their profits by 1-5% a year.

dig420 · 10-21-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

Which the article claims was someone making it appear to be a former official with the company doing the damage. The MSNBC article points the finger at an employee.

There is no evidence that the company directly played a role in this other than being the employeer. Could they have ordered this to happen, sure. Just gotta prove that part.

well then by all means go ahead and invest. As for me, this is more evidence than I need.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...fpart=1& vc=1

dig420 · 10-21-2007, 11:23 PM

and there is no evidence other than the IP being traced back to the owner's house is what you meant to say.

Nails · 10-21-2007, 11:56 PM

Eros,

Let's apply the no reason to shave then. Sponsors make tons yet still shave, they risk millions a year also.

Also, why wouldn't the site itself just show the guy playing all the cards and all 4 of the cards to come out? So he knows ahead of time if he wins or not. He could then lose some, win some etc. Like if someone is dealt A A and he has J J but a Jack will flop, he could get the A A to allin maybe and it wouldnt look so bad.

I think there is alot more cheating going on then you can imagine. It's way to easy to rig shit for them to pull millions out without anyone knowing.

polle54 · 10-22-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

I'm honestly getting tired of having to educate you...LOL.

The rake these sites make just like in live games comes from the huge amount of low limit games going on out there, not the big games, so it doesn't matter how many big games they have going on as long as the low limit players keep feeding the rake machine.

Example:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1571041
A $96,000 pot an the rake was $1.00

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1614099
$2/$4 NL game $200 pot, $3 rake.

Now to get back to your top 20 finisher theory, once again, tournament pay out schedules are top heavy, favoring the top 3 finishers. Why would they try to skim $5K here or there, when they're making $20K off of a tournament, when all they have to do is start up another without any risk.

I am not saying there has never ever been a "rogue" employee, which may be the case at Absolute. But there is no reason for PokerStars, or PartyPoker to risk an easy money making machine just to increase their profits by 1-5% a year.

Spot on once again.

It is completely nonsense to risk a perfectly healthy business. And I really don't believe that it was the whole Absolute Team who is behind this. It is more than likely a hack made by a former programmer/employee who is taking advantage of this now.

This was inevitable at some point, but there's absolutely no reason to think it's the company as such who are behind and I am 100% sure that no big company like Stars, Full Tilt or Party or Absolute for that matter would never do anything that could jeopardize their more than healthy business.

RawAlex if your theory were to be correct. They have some sort of Bot network which have a slightly edge, it would fuck up your poker tracker stats in the long haul. There's no way shit like that will go unnoticed. Just as the Absolute incident didn't. PokerTracker shows you EVERYTHING, I love this tool

polle54 · 10-22-2007, 11:55 AM

A good example is that PotRipper had an Infinite River Aggression

eroswebmaster · 10-22-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by polle54

A good example is that PotRipper had an Infinite River Aggression

Yep...there are people with millions of hands in their stats who would see something strange if strange is what was going on.

sltr · 10-22-2007, 12:23 PM

i thought frank rosenthal said "it's ALL about the skim."

eroswebmaster · 10-22-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sltr

i thought frank rosenthal said "it's ALL about the skim."

The skim was what they were taking off of the casinos...they did not have to cheat the patrons.

eroswebmaster · 10-22-2007, 12:30 PM

To further my point Sltr...let me give you an example of how poker used to be ran in this town.

The house did not take a rake, they had what they called "snatch games."

Right in front of the dealer's tray, there was a hole, the dealers would just take as much as they could out of the pot and hope the player's didn't pay attention.

A good friend of mine started dealing here about 30 years ago, but she came to Vegas to play poker professionally.

Anyway, her first day here she won the biggest pot of her life, but lost money due to the snatch.

That was when she realized she needed to be on the other side of the table to make any real money.

They used to run other rigged games here too, but have realized that there's not reason to they have an edge, and the suckers that play slots and table games regardless of this knowledge will continue to play.

eroswebmaster · 10-22-2007, 12:33 PM

Here's an article written about a snatch game

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As I told you in prior columns I started out as a shill dealer. I wrote last time about the first time I dealt in a live "snatch" game with a $5?$10 limit and how none of the players detected my 40?50% "rake," in spite of the fact that I was a "newbie," nervous as hell and did not have all my "moves" down yet

http://www.vegascommunityonline.com/...tMarinoCol.htm

Brother Bilo · 10-22-2007, 12:50 PM

This is exactly why I don't play online poker. Unless I can watch the shuffle and the deal, I just don't trust it.

MikeB · 10-22-2007, 01:18 PM

Check this out - they recreated the cheating - I didn't see the links posted here yet.

Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 1
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FczbS7FiWSM

Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 2
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PbQyKgELDEA

Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 3
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xqmp-a7SzFs

Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 4
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FCMiK9pJ7Kw

dig420 · 10-22-2007, 01:38 PM

you can knock off saying they wouldn't cheat because there's no reason to cheat. They cheated. There's no reason to say it was a rogue employee. It's already been proven it wasn't.

Are you deef son?

eroswebmaster · 10-22-2007, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dig420

you can knock off saying they wouldn't cheat because there's no reason to cheat. They cheated. There's no reason to say it was a rogue employee. It's already been proven it wasn't.

Are you deef son?

Where has it been proven that the site had anything to do with it? In the court of 2+2 the poker version of GFY?

I am not defending Absolute...I think they did a poor job of handling this.

But once again...the loser's mantra is "online poker is rigged."

Winning players with 100's of thousands of hands...millions of hands...can prove that the games that they are playing in are fine. They were able to figure this out in a relatively short amount of time...you don't think they won't figure it out elsewhere?

Sorry if you can't beat the game online man, the simple fact is that the games are much tougher online.

Your typical winning $2/$4 limit player online can beat a $10/$20 - $20/$40 game live.

Now NL, the games are drying up. The $25/$50 players are having to drop down to $10/$20, and $5/$10, those guys are dropping down to $2/$4, and $3/$6. When these guys play live they are playing anywhere from $5/$10 on up to $100/$200.

There is cheating online, but not tot the extent that sites are rigging games that you would like to believe.

Just study harder, and some day you'll get there.

dig420 · 10-22-2007, 01:51 PM

i know it makes you feel really special calling people losers when they're only stating the obvious, but it's been proven as much as anything can be proven without Scott and co. walking up to your front door and saying 'I cheated'. I mean, really. What's it going to take for you? Any moron who reads that thread on 2+2 knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that AP cheats. If AP cheats, any of them can cheat. The CHEAT.

Online poker is rigged. Let me say again for emphasis: RIGGED. RIGGED. RIGGED.

And it's proven. Now tell us all again how only losers say it's rigged, so I can point to the thread again. I like all the publicity this issue is getting, the lower limit players still need to get the word and some of them are on GFY.

Rui · 10-22-2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by eroswebmaster

I have played close to 250K hands on line at various levels...my roomate plays $100-$200 + online every day and we don't seem to be having any problems.

She is also pretty tight with many of the online companies, in fact was tied very closely to Party Poker and helped them get started.

What happened to her? I mean to end up being your roommate and all that...

Corona · 10-22-2007, 11:58 PM

I shouldn't have read this thread.

Can anyone transfer $100 into my PokerStars account? I will pay via PayPal first.

boneprone · 10-23-2007, 12:43 AM

Hey Ill be at the Venetian on Nov 2.. In the Poker room..

Eros, if you are in seat four lets be sure to say hello!

AGS-17 · 10-23-2007, 02:01 AM

Chiting i'ts on of the way off gaming...and i fink no bad.

10-22-2007, 11:55 AM	#57
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10-22-2007, 12:30 PM	#61
eroswebmaster March 1st, 2003 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seat 4 @ Venetian Poker Room Posts: 20,295	To further my point Sltr...let me give you an example of how poker used to be ran in this town. The house did not take a rake, they had what they called "snatch games." Right in front of the dealer's tray, there was a hole, the dealers would just take as much as they could out of the pot and hope the player's didn't pay attention. A good friend of mine started dealing here about 30 years ago, but she came to Vegas to play poker professionally. Anyway, her first day here she won the biggest pot of her life, but lost money due to the snatch. That was when she realized she needed to be on the other side of the table to make any real money. They used to run other rigged games here too, but have realized that there's not reason to they have an edge, and the suckers that play slots and table games regardless of this knowledge will continue to play. __________________ For rent - ICQ 127-027-910 Click here for more details

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10-22-2007, 11:58 PM	#69
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10-23-2007, 12:43 AM	#70
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10-21-2007, 11:23 PM	#54
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	and there is no evidence other than the IP being traced back to the owner's house is what you meant to say.

10-21-2007, 11:56 PM	#55
Nails Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 262	Eros, Let's apply the no reason to shave then. Sponsors make tons yet still shave, they risk millions a year also. Also, why wouldn't the site itself just show the guy playing all the cards and all 4 of the cards to come out? So he knows ahead of time if he wins or not. He could then lose some, win some etc. Like if someone is dealt A A and he has J J but a Jack will flop, he could get the A A to allin maybe and it wouldnt look so bad. I think there is alot more cheating going on then you can imagine. It's way to easy to rig shit for them to pull millions out without anyone knowing.

10-22-2007, 12:23 PM	#59
sltr Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,191	i thought frank rosenthal said "it's ALL about the skim."

10-22-2007, 01:18 PM	#64
MikeB Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,012	Check this out - they recreated the cheating - I didn't see the links posted here yet. Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 1 https://youtube.com/watch?v=FczbS7FiWSM Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 2 https://youtube.com/watch?v=PbQyKgELDEA Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 3 https://youtube.com/watch?v=xqmp-a7SzFs Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 4 https://youtube.com/watch?v=FCMiK9pJ7Kw

10-22-2007, 01:38 PM	#65
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	you can knock off saying they wouldn't cheat because there's no reason to cheat. They cheated. There's no reason to say it was a rogue employee. It's already been proven it wasn't. Are you deef son?

10-22-2007, 01:51 PM	#67
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	i know it makes you feel really special calling people losers when they're only stating the obvious, but it's been proven as much as anything can be proven without Scott and co. walking up to your front door and saying 'I cheated'. I mean, really. What's it going to take for you? Any moron who reads that thread on 2+2 knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that AP cheats. If AP cheats, any of them can cheat. The CHEAT. Online poker is rigged. Let me say again for emphasis: RIGGED. RIGGED. RIGGED. And it's proven. Now tell us all again how only losers say it's rigged, so I can point to the thread again. I like all the publicity this issue is getting, the lower limit players still need to get the word and some of them are on GFY.

10-23-2007, 02:01 AM	#71
AGS-17 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,402	Chiting i'ts on of the way off gaming...and i fink no bad.