Vick!

An interesting read for PR lovers.

Original version is here: http://searchengineland.com/071024-093938.php

martinsc

yup, google is mixing a lot of stuff right now...

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Violetta

I just went from pr4 to pr3... Im crying and wanna quit the internet!!!!!!!!

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StarkReality

Yay, but the fight against link sellers still doesn't explain the PR3 for google's own baby youtube, obviousely loads of outgoing links can really hurt, would explain why huge directories suffered alot as well.

polle54

just went from 5 to 2
on freedietsthatwork.com

me so saaad

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Vick!

hey, I can lend you some of my PR. Please don't quit


lolz

Ok sorry, I was not meant to laugh .. but somehow I could not hold. Ok, outgoing links cannot reduce PR. It just passes less and less PR to each link, but do not drain your own.

YouTube is not PR3 ... still, why you see youtube as PR3, checkout this post to find.

http://www.gfy.com/13294494-post29.html

StarkReality

That's common knowledge and was true so far, but it doesn't mean that things can't change, do you have a better theory ?

nation-x

I lost 2 PR 4s to PR 3 and a bunch went to PR 0

Vick!

thats news to me. Do you have a credible source for it?

Manowar

interesting

Czech

youtube is PR3 according to my google tool bar (page rank)

Cyber Fucker

finally! I went up

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Klen

Poor baby

RawAlex

You Tube PR3.

KrisKross

Dropped from PR4 to PR2 on one site. Gained PR on everything else.

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RawAlex

Incorrect. Part of Google's overall deal is where you link to. If you are linking to bad neighborhoods, your rank can suffer. If youtube was caught with tons of links to bad places, they could get penalized.

On the other side, if much of the supporting links for their PR come from places that have since lost PR, then they would suffer on PR as well. People who have used mass link spam techniques to build popularity for their own videos could also lead to Youtube losing a ton of PR.

RawAlex

Oh I should add this: I have a whole bunch of sites that didn't have PR at all, and haven't had any for a long time suddenly all become PR2s. Not sure if this is because I did good things, or because PR2 is the new PR0.

DaddyHalbucks

I doubt it is hurting their traffic.

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X37375787

PR is such a pile of shit and people need to stop paying so much attention to it. I buy anchored links from content-related sites that are quality - regardless of the Pagerank - and I do just fine with my optimization efforts.

Stop crying over spilled milk and get with the times.

fuzebox

RawAlex

PR isn't (and hasn't been for a long time) the be all and end all of linkdom. But it is a small sliver of an indication of one way the google looks at sites, nothing more.

Since it is one of the few visible ways to measure stuff, it is easy to get stuck on it.

V_RocKs

Washington Post - Still #1 and #2 for news in washington and washington news.

Which means Google basically did a stock split on PR... At the same time they also added something to the algorithm...

CyberHustler

teg0

google doesn't need to page rank youtube, its artificially mixed into the results.

pr0

one of my sites went from a pr3 to a pr1 & se traffic was up by 25% overnight

I'm not going to offer anymore info other than that, i get paid 2 do that ; )

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ridikuloz

weird.. youtube is PR 8 for me?

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Cash

Is it over now with this PR updating?

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Apple dropped from 10 to 9
MSN is now 8
DMOZ is 8 too

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CreatineGuy

YOUTUBE IS PR3...

I BET YOU 1 MILLION DOLLARS THAT YOUTUBE IS PR3...

There is no such thing as Real PR and Fake PR... Stop talking bullshit and try to learn a bit about SEO... Clueless usa soldier fag..

CreatineGuy

Exactly..


Hehe, that dude vick knows nothing about seo...

Klen

Not dumb question.People say if you selling links then you need to add "no follow" tag beacuse then link is not counted as backlink and that is what google want.

CreatineGuy

lol... you give thumbs up to that suggestion that "pr means shit", but in the other corner, you have a business in your sig that claims to increase people's PR in exchange of money..lol...

minusonebit

I went from PR0 to PR2 and PR3 on alot of newer or less developed domains. Hell, I even have PR3 on sitciot.com, and its a fucking doorway page with precious little content of any kind to a fucking Yahoo Group I run. This one has been pretty good for me.

pornask

I remained the same - same PR.

Vick!

First of all, sir .. read post of StarkReality and then read my response. He said:

noticed bold? quantity of outgoing links is different than thing than bad neighborhood. Isn't it?

So, I was just answering his "loads of outgoing links" thing.


Thats a sweet question. Google is starving hard to figure out the way to detect paid links. They are asking people to complain about the sites selling links and manually discounting the backlinks from such websites.

Furthermore, 70% paid links have a specific behavior .. what is that, you can read here http://money.bigbucksblogger.com/use...-is-it-useful/
I am not sure, but Google may be taking this into account as well.


First of all, its gfy and I know by fact its useless to debate here. So I prefer to not waste my time and effort.

If you are unsure what the fuck I was talking about in my this post, better consult to someone who you think understand PageRank quite well.

Now, as long as the bet of 1 million dollars ... I do not have that amount to bet, and I doubt even you do.

Lets make it simple, I have $950 in my ePass handy .. if you want, I can bet that.

How do you want to proceed? .. Whose analysis would be acceptable to you?

Vick!

your following posts are telling me why you have such a hardon for me .. Dude, I am not US soldier, neither in Guantanamo Bay .. I am just using this thing for fun or may be as a reminder of hell on the earth.

RawAlex

Vick, loads of outgoing links are like adding bullets to russian roulette. The chance that one of those links becomes a bad neighborhood goes up each time you add a link. In many cases, you don't even know that there is an issue until you suffer losses.

RawAlex

As for youtube as PR3, considering I posted up a screen cap already, you wouldn't want to be betting your $950 unless you are intending to just give it away. The proof is already there.

Vick!

I understand that chance does increase. But still, "loads of outgoing links" is not a factor ..

Do you think my website will suffer a PR loss if I put 1000 links on its homepage, all toward good neighborhood? For example, all links toward Google' sites .. like trends, directory, labs etc etc.

Possible?

I know that toolbarqueries.google.com is returning PR3 for youtube. But why its so .. I have explained in detail here http://www.gfy.com/13294494-post29.html

Ask someone, it makes sense to anyone who knows something more about PR than just checking from toolbar and website based tools available around.


And, as far as $950 .. I know what I am talking about .. I still stand on my bet.

Look at Google, its no more returning that fake page URL for youtube, like in screenshot I posed here.

Same with this tool, its now showing result in Orange, means undetermined ... unlike Red in another post I referred ya.

It also confirms what i said earlier.

Look, they have taken first step of removing that conflicted URL from info: command, now its time for the next step .. and you will see its fixed soon. And youtube will be back to PR8.



Thanks for reading

stillsexy

one of mine site dropped from PR4 to PR1

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Spudstr

Kinda funny search engines are meant for searching not population of bullshit making life harder for people to find what they want.. Google is trying to fix this and people are getting pissed. Play the game like it is suppose to be played and not the short term buck and gain long term results.

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RawAlex

Vick, excessive linking to a single place could be a problem even. Again, you do not know what the parameters are, most of us are guessing, but I could guess that the value of a site that links only to 1000 google pages would be pretty low, regardless of who links to you.

As your youtube, first things first. It doesn't matter HOW it got there, it is a question, is youtube showing pr3? Answer is yes, and you lose your $950. IN fact, it continues to show a PR3 right now. That isn't artificial or an error, that is how the update ran and that is that. If there is a problem, it is likely that youtube.com breaks one or more of the rules for calculating PR or generating the index page, and now Google will have to manually cheat the system to bring their baby back. At that point, PR8 or PR10 would be entirely fake, and not representitive of what the domain would have earned when subjected to the same update as the rest of us.

What you see at PR3 is what everyone else would have been judged to have, if they weren't owned by google.

Vick!

Too many links can lower the value of the link from that site. But it do NOT lower the actual PR of that site.

thats it.

If you do not agree, I cannot force you, better ask someone who you think have more knowledge than you.

No, I will not lose. You know why? No, you don't, but anyone, who understand PR, knows it.
No offense, but you only can see what toolbar is showing, and thats it. It need something more to determine the validity of PR.

And validity is what I am betting on. I am betting the apparent PR3 is not actual PR, and professionals know who to determine this.


Isn't it what I predicted in my other post? I said:

How do you think I was able to say that? I am not a Google employee, I was able to say this because I know this was error, and of course would be fixed.


Alright dude, i do not feel like continue this debate with you as I know you won't even try to understand anything other than your own knowledge and beliefs, may be its ego or something. In case you think I am incorrect, ask someone with some knowledge to post in this thread .. I am not sure but baddog or pr0 might help.

And finally, can you explain this screenshot?

What is this?
What result this query was assumed to return?
And did it return what i should?
What you understand from the result returned?

baddog

Yesterday I was approached by two different people that were concerned with their drop in PR, both for the same concern: Other sites would not trade with them because they only traded with sites that were a PR3 or PR4.

My personal opinion: unless those sites were going to bring in a lot of additional traffic, I would not be too concerned with doing trades with them.

RawAlex

Hey Vick, I understand PR. I understand you are trying to wiggle out of a bet on a technicality, but EVERY OTHER FUCKING SITE ON THE NET IS SUBJECT TO THE SAME RULES THAT HIT YOUTUBE. Youtubes PR right now is 3. Google may manually correct it to fix things for thier property, but the reality is that ANY OTHER FUCKING SITE WOULD STAY PR3 AND BE FUCKED.

I understand exactly what you are saying and in all cases, I think you are full of shit.

Simple, no?

Vick!

I am not forcing my opinion on you, I offered you to talk to someone else whom you think have more knowledge than yourself. But you didn't .. guess why? YOU FUCKING THINK THERE IS NO ONE IN THIS GODDAMN WORLD WHO HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE THAN YOURSELF.

your ego is simply too big, as compared to your knowledge (at least about PR)
I am not surprised, 4 years on gfy should have similar effects .. I will be the same after a couple more years


Reminder: you forgot to answer my questions about the screencap


It was nice talking to you, bye bye!

dougeetx

My myspace page stayed a pr3!

hehehehehehe


http://www.Myspace.com/dougeetx

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wyldblyss

Judging from what I have read here, I guess I should be happy I actually stayed the same on every domain. I was disappointed at first, but at least I never went down in PR

RawAlex

What question about the screen cap? PR is what PR is. youtube has a specific page as it's default page, that happens to many other sites on the internet and they suffer or benefit from it. If anything, it would be the clearest indication that youtube's situation is fucked and they barely merit a PR3 with the circumstances they are in. Again, if Google didn't own the site, it would sit like that for however long it took the bots and the algo to decide differently.

What you are trying to say is "it shouldn't be like that", and I am saying "proof is in the pudding, the answer is right there on your toolbar, on the PR lookup tools, and on the PR watch websites". It may be an error, but more likely is the true situation of youtube that google will adjust manually to protect it's interests.

No, sorry, But after 10 plus years or working in this field, you do get a feel for which way the wind is blowing. You come in here with a bunch of "shouldn't bes" and state a bunch of shit that cannot be confirmed or denied and you claim it to be fact. All I am saying is that Google has never released how their algos work, so you are speculating. Don't get so full of yourself.

RawAlex

oh yeah, according to Google's toolbar, the PR of youtube is 4... but most datacenters are still showing 3.