Google's 2007 Q4 PageRank (PR) Update! - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Vick! · 10-28-2007, 01:24 PM

I could answer many question of yours and raise many from your post, but as I said, I am not arguing on this anymore. Your 10 years of experience in porn is not letting you hear anyone else. So, i'd not waste more time.

With the 10 years in the industry, you must know some highly professional SEO related people. Why not you ask any buddy of yours to read what I said about fake PR? I highly doubt you'd.

Vick! · 10-28-2007, 01:26 PM

And frankly, if your ego do not stop you .. and you have 10 minutes for chit chat about this, hit me up at 287-211-699

It will be nice to have a chat with ya.

Linkster · 10-28-2007, 02:35 PM

The entire first post is incorrect and is based on flawed knowledge

The update that just occured was a PR (displayed on the toolbar) rollout - it WAS NOT a Page Rank update - those occur every day at Google. The only thing that got updated is that pretty little green line that you idiots use to buy and sell and trade links with - which is right now a little over 3 months behind the real PAGE RANK of the pages.

baddog - you are entirely correct

Vick! · 10-28-2007, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

The entire first post is incorrect and is based on flawed knowledge

The update that just occured was a PR (displayed on the toolbar) rollout - it WAS NOT a Page Rank update - those occur every day at Google. The only thing that got updated is that pretty little green line that you idiots use to buy and sell and trade links with - which is right now a little over 3 months behind the real PAGE RANK of the pages.

Like this is news? Every time people talk about PR update, a fucker comes up and tells people that its not update, and google updates the internal PR constantly .. blah blah.

Do you seriously think we don't know that? When we say PR update, its fucking means toolbar PR update, or PR export to toolbar.. while keeping in mind its a snapshot of internal PR, approx a month or so old. So, you are wrong at your 3 months bullshit.

Thanks for adding, though

Iron Fist · 10-28-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

one of my sites went from a pr3 to a pr1 & se traffic was up by 25% overnight

I'm not going to offer anymore info other than that, i get paid 2 do that ; )

Whats funny, is i'm seeing exactly the same thing... on one site that I do NOT do any link exchnages with (except recip linking to my own internal sites) PR remained the same but traffic increased 20-30% - my clicks to sponsor went up and I haven't changed a thing.

So this algo update is a good thing in my books.

mindfvck · 10-28-2007, 04:11 PM

google knows it all - not only about who and how selling links but:
1. how long vistors stay on Your pages and how deep they are going in order to get valuable information from browsing sites in Google search results
2. Google knows how much traffic You get
3. Google respects You if You provide good links for people, so take a look at the site before You link it from Your pages
4. and of course google bans some sites, my bidding directory now has PR2 instead of PR4 I got 3 years ago
Google knows Your site real value
about dumb question "how google knows"? Do You use gmail? sid down please and watch this movie http://www.masterplanthemovie.com/

Vick! · 10-29-2007, 01:14 AM

nvm .. wrong thread.

xxxjay · 10-29-2007, 01:16 AM

Time to surf my sites some.

Linkster · 10-29-2007, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vick!

Do you seriously think we don't know that? When we say PR update, its fucking means toolbar PR update, or PR export to toolbar.. while keeping in mind its a snapshot of internal PR, approx a month or so old. So, you are wrong at your 3 months bullshit.

Then dont post incorrect information - its PR - NOT PAGERANK

And since you are the one that posted that it is quarterly - you know that it will be 3 months old by the time the next one gets rolled out - although I would like you to PROVE (not someones guess) that it is one month old - dont state things as facts unless you can back it up with actual proof (BTW - articles and posts on SEO boards dont count as proof)

Vick! · 10-29-2007, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

although I would like you to PROVE (not someones guess) that it is one month old - dont state things as facts unless you can back it up with actual proof (BTW - articles and posts on SEO boards dont count as proof)

If I show you a webpage created on start of October, and it have PR now. Would you count this as proof?

I mean, if PR is 3 months old and age of the page if just 1 month .. it should not have PR in this update.

BerdoR · 10-29-2007, 05:02 AM

thanks interesting post

NinjaSteve · 10-29-2007, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Equinox

PR is such a pile of shit and people need to stop paying so much attention to it. I buy anchored links from content-related sites that are quality - regardless of the Pagerank - and I do just fine with my optimization efforts.

Stop crying over spilled milk and get with the times.

I think PR isn't as important as it used to be, but from what I've seen if your site is a PR0 then you're fucked googlewise.

NinjaSteve · 10-29-2007, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Vick!

Too many links can lower the value of the link from that site. But it do NOT lower the actual PR of that site.

thats it.

If you do not agree, I cannot force you, better ask someone who you think have more knowledge than you.

No, I will not lose. You know why? No, you don't, but anyone, who understand PR, knows it.
No offense, but you only can see what toolbar is showing, and thats it. It need something more to determine the validity of PR.

And validity is what I am betting on. I am betting the apparent PR3 is not actual PR, and professionals know who to determine this.

Isn't it what I predicted in my other post? I said:

How do you think I was able to say that? I am not a Google employee, I was able to say this because I know this was error, and of course would be fixed.

Alright dude, i do not feel like continue this debate with you as I know you won't even try to understand anything other than your own knowledge and beliefs, may be its ego or something. In case you think I am incorrect, ask someone with some knowledge to post in this thread .. I am not sure but baddog or pr0 might help.

And finally, can you explain this screenshot?

What is this?
What result this query was assumed to return?
And did it return what i should?
What you understand from the result returned?

Nice! What firefox extension is that?

Linkster · 10-29-2007, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Vick!

If I show you a webpage created on start of October, and it have PR now. Would you count this as proof?

I mean, if PR is 3 months old and age of the page if just 1 month .. it should not have PR in this update.

Sure - as long as the domain was just registered at the same time and never had another page on it as well as no previous owners - and has no link pages pointing at it that have redirect scripts located on them

tornell · 10-29-2007, 06:51 AM

wow I have better PR

RawAlex · 10-29-2007, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vick!

I could answer many question of yours and raise many from your post, but as I said, I am not arguing on this anymore. Your 10 years of experience in porn is not letting you hear anyone else. So, i'd not waste more time.

With the 10 years in the industry, you must know some highly professional SEO related people. Why not you ask any buddy of yours to read what I said about fake PR? I highly doubt you'd.

First off, what's a "you'd"?

second, I don't have to ask my SEO friends... they have already come through the thread and giggled at you and moved on. It's all the same thing in the end. youtube's PR was 8, then was 3, then was 4, and now this morning has returned to 8, effectively as google has manually repaired their algo / calculation mistakes. The point being that many other sites that saw PR go up or down in the lastest visible update may be subject to the same thing. Youtube is different only because it is high profile and Google has a real interest in keeping it as a strong hub style site.

They fixed it, but how many other sites get the same thing but don't get fixed because it isn't to google's advantage?

You, like most other "seo" people are making semi-educated guesses at what Google does. Don't deride other people because they do the same.

V_RocKs · 10-29-2007, 12:33 PM

I love PR... Not...

tranza · 10-29-2007, 12:39 PM

Fuck, some of those sites really took a big hit!

Vick! · 10-29-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

Sure - as long as the domain was just registered at the same time and never had another page on it as well as no previous owners - and has no link pages pointing at it that have redirect scripts located on them

Ok, what if I show you a page which was created on Septemper 30th, 2007. And it have PR now?

A page that was created on September 30th should not have PR, if the snapshot was taken 3 months back, because the page was not live at that time. Will you count this as proof?

Vick! · 10-29-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NinjaSteve

Nice! What firefox extension is that?

SEO Quake

Az A Bay Bay · 10-29-2007, 01:17 PM

thxs foR the info...

Az A Bay Bay · 10-29-2007, 01:17 PM

good job!!!

Az A Bay Bay · 10-29-2007, 01:18 PM

good job!!!

xxxjay · 10-29-2007, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

The entire first post is incorrect and is based on flawed knowledge

The update that just occured was a PR (displayed on the toolbar) rollout - it WAS NOT a Page Rank update - those occur every day at Google. The only thing that got updated is that pretty little green line that you idiots use to buy and sell and trade links with - which is right now a little over 3 months behind the real PAGE RANK of the pages.

baddog - you are entirely correct

Damn...I am glad someone got it right.

Thanks Linkster!

Penny24Seven · 10-29-2007, 05:28 PM

I have no idea what I am doing and all mine went up to PR3-PR5
Most were PR1 or even 0

Linkster · 10-30-2007, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vick!

Ok, what if I show you a page which was created on Septemper 30th, 2007. And it have PR now?

A page that was created on September 30th should not have PR, if the snapshot was taken 3 months back, because the page was not live at that time. Will you count this as proof?

Only if it is on a brand new domain that has never had any pages whatsoever loaded on it would it be proof - you are making way too many assumptions about how Toolbar PR works - it just doesnt work the way most are mislead to believe.

XXXJay - you and I have been doing this for way longer than these people - hell since before there was a "google" - and I remember you used to work with one of the better SEO companies back then - before it was calle SEO

I remeber some of the articles the guy you worked with wrote for the adult industry - cause he and I always played at disagreeing

StarkReality · 10-30-2007, 03:55 AM

All these accusations, hairsplitting and the pissing match who knows most about SEO and who is right will lead nowhere and help noone.

We all agree that PR and rankings are not directly related, but PR isn't totally irrelevant since many people rely on it for link trading, as an indicator. Overvalued, but still an indicator how much google values a certain site.

Now, if this indicator drops for alot or even the majority of sites, it could mean two things:

1. A general global change, so we just need to get used to it without consequences.

2. A devaluation of certain factors common to loads of sites.

So, if there is a chance that 2. is true, it's necessary to figure out what's the reason since I wouldn't want to wait until rankings maybe affected as well. Just sitting there and saying what was true for the last 5 years will be true forever means relying on proven facts, but as soon as the facts change you are fucked.

There are sites, especially directories, that dropped from 5/6/7 to 0, they may still get the same traffic, but assuming a change like this won't ever affect the SERPS long term is pretty risky in my opinion.

10-28-2007, 02:35 PM	#53
Linkster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DeltaHell Posts: 3,216	The entire first post is incorrect and is based on flawed knowledge The update that just occured was a PR (displayed on the toolbar) rollout - it WAS NOT a Page Rank update - those occur every day at Google. The only thing that got updated is that pretty little green line that you idiots use to buy and sell and trade links with - which is right now a little over 3 months behind the real PAGE RANK of the pages. baddog - you are entirely correct __________________ Porn Links Crak for your bank account - Get Addicted FREE LIVE CAM SHOWS

10-28-2007, 04:11 PM	#56
mindfvck Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Riga, Latvia Posts: 792	google knows it all - not only about who and how selling links but: 1. how long vistors stay on Your pages and how deep they are going in order to get valuable information from browsing sites in Google search results 2. Google knows how much traffic You get 3. Google respects You if You provide good links for people, so take a look at the site before You link it from Your pages 4. and of course google bans some sites, my bidding directory now has PR2 instead of PR4 I got 3 years ago Google knows Your site real value about dumb question "how google knows"? Do You use gmail? sid down please and watch this movie http://www.masterplanthemovie.com/ __________________ traffic / links / posts - MY SITES / 18+ News / PornTopLinks

10-29-2007, 01:14 AM	#57
Vick! Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 20 00'24.00" N, 75 09'00.00 W Posts: 6,882	YouTube's PageRank Drama Continues... [Calling all PageRank Nerds Inside] nvm .. wrong thread.

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10-28-2007, 01:24 PM	#51
Vick! Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 20 00'24.00" N, 75 09'00.00 W Posts: 6,882	I could answer many question of yours and raise many from your post, but as I said, I am not arguing on this anymore. Your 10 years of experience in porn is not letting you hear anyone else. So, i'd not waste more time. With the 10 years in the industry, you must know some highly professional SEO related people. Why not you ask any buddy of yours to read what I said about fake PR? I highly doubt you'd.

10-28-2007, 01:26 PM	#52
Vick! Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 20 00'24.00" N, 75 09'00.00 W Posts: 6,882	And frankly, if your ego do not stop you .. and you have 10 minutes for chit chat about this, hit me up at 287-211-699 It will be nice to have a chat with ya.

10-29-2007, 05:02 AM	#61
BerdoR Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 352	thanks interesting post

10-29-2007, 12:33 PM	#67
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	I love PR... Not...

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Az A Bay Bay Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,129	good job!!! __________________ Home of Ed Powers and america's next hot pornstar

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10-29-2007, 05:28 PM	#75
Penny24Seven So Fucking What Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 6,287	I have no idea what I am doing and all mine went up to PR3-PR5 Most were PR1 or even 0 __________________ Our site is coming soon. It will be one of the best ever! I know so. Brian and Penny

10-30-2007, 03:55 AM	#77
StarkReality Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Posts: 4,444	All these accusations, hairsplitting and the pissing match who knows most about SEO and who is right will lead nowhere and help noone. We all agree that PR and rankings are not directly related, but PR isn't totally irrelevant since many people rely on it for link trading, as an indicator. Overvalued, but still an indicator how much google values a certain site. Now, if this indicator drops for alot or even the majority of sites, it could mean two things: 1. A general global change, so we just need to get used to it without consequences. 2. A devaluation of certain factors common to loads of sites. So, if there is a chance that 2. is true, it's necessary to figure out what's the reason since I wouldn't want to wait until rankings maybe affected as well. Just sitting there and saying what was true for the last 5 years will be true forever means relying on proven facts, but as soon as the facts change you are fucked. There are sites, especially directories, that dropped from 5/6/7 to 0, they may still get the same traffic, but assuming a change like this won't ever affect the SERPS long term is pretty risky in my opinion.