If you like pit bulls.....Don't read this thread.

[AaronM]

You were warned so I don't want to hear you bitch.

The 2 pits that attacked and almost killed my dog a few months ago are now dead.

HAPPY FUCKING DAY!


Seems that the two blood thirsty killers turned on each other. Their owner could not afford the vet bill so the county took them away and finished the job.

Karma is a bitch.

[sortie]

No justice No peace!!

[martinsc]

pit bulls scare me...

[L-Pink]

Fuck! I hope your dog is ok. That is really fucked when you raise a dog to be gentle then something like that happens.

[Mr.White]

Your dog completly recovered? Congrats!

[dig420]

Someone who loves Pits knows that you can never have them around other dogs. A well educated Pit owner knows that you can never even have two pits. Your best chance is a male-female pair but even then it's risky, they're just not safe around dogs PERIOD. People yes, other dogs NO.

Pits are a big responsibility, it's too bad that there is no way to make sure that only responsible people get pits.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Mr.White

Your dog completly recovered? Congrats!

About 90 to 95%. He will never fully recover.

[Jman]

The county should of taken the owners away IMHO...

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

The county should of taken the owners away IMHO...

There you go! ... Aaron, sue the fuckers even if you win just $1.00 you will fuck up their lives with the lost time and expenses on their part.

[Ross]

Karma is indeed a bitch! Lets hope the asshole owners don't go out and get more dogs, they clearly can't handle them.

People should NEVER let their dogs roam around by themselves. My dog is allowed out in my garden which is all my own and totally fenced off from my next door neighbour. Even when I take him out walks, he's only allowed off his leash when I deem it safe enough to do so. If I see other dogs coming towards us he's put back on his leash, for his safety and the other dogs. You just never know. I have a Labrador same as you, Aarron, and he is a great natured dog but I'm responsible for him so safety first with him is the way I go as I'm sure you do.

I hate when I see other dogs coming, and I put mine on his leash but the other owners don't do the same and that dog starts to get too close to mine and he doesn't like it. I tell them to get their dog away from mine.

[clickhappy]

I dont understand pit bulls. Every one that ive ever met was the sweetest most loving and obedient dog. It makes me want to get one. But then I hear they just kill other dogs and homeowners with pit bulls sometimes have to get extra insurance for them.

[CurrentlySober]

Hey Aaron,
I remember when you posted that your dog was attacked...
Glad you've at least got some closure (Of Sorts...)

Thanks for the update

[D]

I've heard quite a few knowledgeable people express how Pit Bills have no genetic disposition for violence, but almost _every time_ that I hear about some horrendous violent act created by a dog, the breed in question is a Pit Bull... there has to be something to that.

I'm thinking we just don't understand the genetic markers for violence all that well yet.

[WarChild]

It disgusts me to hear about other dogs getting attacked because owners are negligent. I mean it's one thing if one time in 10 years a dog gets out because of one reason or another, but from what I remember of your story, these dogs basically wandered around causing destruction on a regular basis.

I have big dogs, Rottweilers, and although they're very friendly with people, the male tends to be aggressive towards other dogs, especially if they're male and won't act submissive. When I moved back from Costa Rica I had to rent a house, at least for awhile. Since I couldn't find a suitable fenced yard I spend $2000 to have 6' chain link with all the poles set in cement to provide a suitable area for the dogs that will hold them come hell or high water. That's how responsible dog owners act.

[borked]

pics please?

Not for sick pleasure, but to show what these vicious shit-for-excuse "dogs" can do. They are naturally aggressive and snap at the slightest thing.... when I was 7, me, my brother and two friends were playing in the street when our friend made a cat "meow" from across the street. The owner couldn't hold the leash and the savage beast nearly ripped his face off. Scarred badly for life.

Fucker dog was killer and owner got a GBP100 "fine"

[Ross]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I spend $2000 to have 6' chain link with all the poles set in cement to provide a suitable area for the dogs that will hold them come hell or high water. That's how responsible dog owners act.

I feel the same as you Warchild. If you make the decision to get a dog, then you should be responsible enough to look after it properly and take good care of whilst also making sure its not causing harm to anyone around you.

My dog got out my garden one time because of my mail man. He had to deliver a package but I was still asleep so he posted my mail through the front door, then went to my back garden to leave the package by the shed. He left my back gate open which is 6 feet tall fence, then proceeded to also leave my front gate open. I let my dog out for the toilet to my back garden and left him for 5 mins to do his business, before I knew it he was half way down the street. Anything could have happened to him as I live just off a main road.

Next time I saw my post man I made sure he knew how angry I was and told him if he did any shit like that again I would be calling his bosses.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by D

I've heard quite a few knowledgeable people express how Pit Bills have no genetic disposition for violence, but almost _every time_ that I hear about some horrendous violent act created by a dog, the breed in question is a Pit Bull... there has to be something to that.

I'm thinking we just don't understand the genetic markers for violence all that well yet.

You'll notice that almost uniformly Veterinarians oppose breed ban legislation, noting it's ineffectiveness. My sister who is a critical care Veterinary surgeon, and knows a thing or two about dogs, would argue that pit bulls are no more genetically presdisposed to violence than any other dogs.

That being said, different breeds of dogs do behave differently. Some tend to have higher prey drives, others higher defensive drives and still others tend to have stubborn or bully like personalities.

Working Dogs, like Rottweilers, German Sheppards, Doberman, etc tend to almost always have very high prey drives. If something runs passed them, they're going to chase it. COuld be a ball, a stick, or a running playing child. It's all game on for them. That's why these dogs need to always be supervised and trained well.

Rottweilers and Pittbulls also tend to be dominate and stubborn. They're unlikely to be submissive to a strange dog, and they'll gladly fight to sort it out. It's natural pack behavior. You have to keep dogs with these types of personalities, especially in same sex matched pairs, seperated and contained.

[borked]

Originally Posted by WarChild

You'll notice that almost uniformly Veterinarians oppose breed ban legislation, noting it's ineffectiveness. My sister who is a critical care Veterinary surgeon, and knows a thing or two about dogs, would argue that pit bulls are no more genetically presdisposed to violence than any other dogs.

That being said, different breeds of dogs do behave differently. Some tend to have higher prey drives, others higher defensive drives and still others tend to have stubborn or bully like personalities.

Working Dogs, like Rottweilers, German Sheppards, Doberman, etc tend to almost always have very high prey drives. If something runs passed them, they're going to chase it. COuld be a ball, a stick, or a running playing child. It's all game on for them. That's why these dogs need to always be supervised and trained well.

Rottweilers and Pittbulls also tend to be dominate and stubborn. They're unlikely to be submissive to a strange dog, and they'll gladly fight to sort it out. It's natural pack behavior. You have to keep dogs with these types of personalities, especially in same sex matched pairs, seperated and contained.

Your post doesn't make sense - everything you just said points to genetic predisposition...

[smoke]

Originally Posted by dig420

Someone who loves Pits knows that you can never have them around other dogs. A well educated Pit owner knows that you can never even have two pits. Your best chance is a male-female pair but even then it's risky, they're just not safe around dogs PERIOD. People yes, other dogs NO.

Pits are a big responsibility, it's too bad that there is no way to make sure that only responsible people get pits.

Wrong, they have to be socialized as a puppy and they'll be fine. Amstaffs and Pit Bulls are great dogs but they do take a special owner. I own 2 amstaffs and 2 blues. My dogs are all very sociable and never ever been aggressive. The trick is socializing them as puppies and being firm with them but not tough. The mistake people make is thinking that yelling or hitting a dog teaches them not to do something and that type of tough love training brings out the worst in these breeds. I take my dogs to the dog park everyday and they play with all the local dogs and there's never been a problem. In fact there's a little miniature pinscher down there that regularly punks my dogs and rules the park. Its all about constant socializing and training.

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by borked

Your post doesn't make sense - everything you just said points to genetic predisposition...

No, it doesn't.

A dog that chases something is not being "violent", it's playing. A dog with a high prey drive is not a mean, vicous predator hell bent on destruction.

All dogs have a pack mentality. Even between an owner and a single dog. When multiple dogs are together, all breeds will display dominate or submissive behavior. The extent is what varies.

[Mr Zango]

Pitbulls are well loved by ingrate ghetto negroes and Mexican trash who have slithered into the country. One less filthy pitbull to pollute the world.

Fuck pitbulls.

Pitbull owners and supporters: SEE SIG

[borked]

Originally Posted by WarChild

The extent is what varies.

as is the threshold as to what is acceptable in society

[borked]

Originally Posted by Mr Zango

...

bienvenue a gfy. Now fuck off wouldcha.

[Makingcoin]

Responsible ownership is what it is all about.

[StuartD]

Would it be mean to say that I wished the dogs had turned on their owner as well as each other?

Anyway, I'm just glad that they're unable to do any more harm.

[crockett]

You really should sue the fuckers and use this as a prime example that the owners couldn't control their dogs. Not only did they attack your dog, but the dogs actually killed each other.

I'm not a person to support suing for BS reasons, but the owners clearly don't know how to control that kind of dog. The reason I say sue them, is because the idiots will likely just go get another pitbull unless they are taught a lesson.

I can't say it's because of the dog breed alone as it really is all about how you raise them. However pits among others are more aggressive, so if they have a bad owner it can very easily be a dangerous animal.

[Ross]

Originally Posted by WarChild

All dogs have a pack mentality. Even between an owner and a single dog. When multiple dogs are together, all breeds will display dominate or submissive behavior. The extent is what varies.

I watched a programme about a dog trainer and she was training two labradors. Two males at that and they kept trying to mount each other in a dominate way to try to establish themselves as the leader. She said thats what dogs will do, and won't stop intil one of them becomes the submissive. It was quite interesting.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Makingcoin

Responsible ownership is what it is all about.

The problem is, I'd guess at the very minimum 50% of pitbull owners are not responsible owners. In reality I actually think it's much higher than 50% but I'll be consertive.

I'm not one to bash a dog just because it's a specific breed as I do think it's all in the owners hands in most cases. However if the owner has shown they are not responsible then I think they should be held accountable for the dogs actions.

As a side note I used to have a Chow. Which is another aggressive dog but mine was raised right and wouldn't hurt a flea. It was actually more friendly than a Golden Retriever I had as a teenager. In fact the Chow was the best dog I ever had and the friendliest even to strangers.

[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by Jean-Francois

The county should of taken the owners away IMHO...

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by Ross

I watched a programme about a dog trainer and she was training two labradors. Two males at that and they kept trying to mount each other in a dominate way to try to establish themselves as the leader. She said thats what dogs will do, and won't stop intil one of them becomes the submissive. It was quite interesting.

Yes, most dogs can sort out who is dominate with playful interaction. Other signs include one dog trying to put it's head over the other dogs shoulders or back, one dog standing on top of another while it's laying or sitting down and one dog chasing another. As an interesting side note, it's actually the dominate dog that gets chased around by other dogs.

Sometimes, dogs can't or are unwilling to sort out a pecking order by play. This will usually lead to mild fighting. It's the kind of fighting where there is a lot of snapping jaws, growling or even barking, but not much damage is done. Most often this will sort the situation with one dog backing off or getting rolled by the other dog.

Rarely, you will get to a stage where dogs simply can not sort it out through play or fighting. This is when they'll start trying to kill each other. I have two female Rottweilers that just can't work it out. One is older but kind of a weak and sickly dog, and when the younger one got to be about two years old, they started fighting for dominance. It progressed from snapping fights infrequently to eventual constant deadly fights. Now if they get the chance they'll just lunge for each other, grab ahold of what they can and not let go. It's almost impossible to break their jaws apart, they're simply too strong. It's danger to seperate and it's behavior that can't be trained out. Those two dogs have to be sperated all the time now.

[rip raster]

Saying that all pit bulls are vicious is quite a racist statement, it's like saying that all people from the middle east are terrorists. Dogs are individuals like people, some people are nice and others aren't the same goes for dogs and not just pit bulls but all dogs.

Responsible dog ownership is really the major factor pretty much all of the reports of dog attacks are directly related to irresponsible ownership. Just as Warchild had stated how he fenced his yard so that his aggressive dog doesn't get out to do harm to others. I know that Aaron said that the dogs that attacked his dog were constantly roaming the streets unleashed and alone. Which is clearly irresponsible for the safety of the dogs and others.

I had this guy for 14 years very friendly towards people but had dog on dog aggression, mostly to larger dogs and because of this he was always leashed when out in public.


We have 2 male pit bulls right now (brothers from the same litter) that have been well socialized from an early age and they are extremely friendly to other dogs. I have actually had several other dogs (border collies, labs, and those little poodles) snap at mine when out for a walk. My dogs reaction was basically shock as all he wanted to do was play. This is one of the main reasons that even though our dogs are friendly they are always leashed when in public, you just never know the disposition of other peoples dogs.

I am happy to hear that Aaron's dog is doing better I don't believe any dog should have to go through that sort of trauma. Breed specific legislation is not the key to preventing this sort of thing from happening though. People need to be educated and responsible when it comes to their dogs.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by rip raster

Saying that all pit bulls are vicious is quite a racist statement, it's like saying that all people from the middle east are terrorists.

Wouldn't it be a breedist?

[Elli]

Aaron, we need some newer pics of Cayman and his recovery!

[SilkySnatch]

It is all about socialization at a young age. Pic of my Pit with our new mixed breed puppy...