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SpaceAce · 09-24-2002, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by theking

You fucking soothsayers are a joke. Pretending that you can read peoples minds and see their inner thoughts and beliefs. All of you soothsayers need to join up with Massivecock and his NWO conspiracy theorists. Soothsayers are big with them.

I won't bother arguing this point. It isn't a matter of mind reading.

SpaceAce

ControlThy · 09-24-2002, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by madthumbs
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The people aren't the corporations, and the corporations aren't the people ... but take away the corporations, and the people won't have shit ... jobs, food, cars, money, luxury etc ...

Or something ...

Look at it from another perspective and you will find that the people who got rich needed the average normal workers to do their job and provide a stable base for the rich corporate head to profit from. So making it look like the CEO's are suddenly responsible for employment is ofcourse not entirely true.

1 + 1 = 2

ControlThy · 09-24-2002, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

I won't bother arguing this point. It isn't a matter of mind reading.

I would like to discuss the phenomenon "mind reading", please open a new thread so we can debate.

A rather interesting subject.

jimmyf · 09-24-2002, 02:40 PM

this shit comes up on this board 2 or 3 times per week.... fuck it... I got's to go make some $$$'s....

theking · 09-24-2002, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

I could have rattled off any number of other countries that have no love for the United States that are both nuclear capable and more than likely have biological weapons... or as the media loves to say every 5 minutes, the dreaded "Weapons of Mass Destruction". Whom also support terrorists. Yet we dont have a hard-on for doing them in.

The point is, claiming he is a threat is absurd. The guy knows if he farts the wrong way his ass is grass. Uh oh, he may launch some outdated scud missiles at Israel... devastating.

And besides, I thought we were after Osama. The actual threat.

Your counter point is well made and correct. He is not a current threat and Weapons of Mass Destruction are not the entire reason for the invasion, but would you agree that if you have intentions of invading it is best to do it before he does get a nuclear capability?

theking · 09-24-2002, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

I won't bother arguing this point. It isn't a matter of mind reading.

SpaceAce

If you are not a mind reader then please refrain from telling me what I believe or do not believe. If you question something then please ask the question.

ControlThy · 09-24-2002, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Your counter point is well made and correct. He is not a current threat and Weapons of Mass Destruction are not the entire reason for the invasion, but would you agree that if you have intentions of invading it is best to do it before he does get a nuclear capability?

Than for god sake, lets take down Iran, Syria and Yemen!

[Labret] · 09-24-2002, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Your counter point is well made and correct. He is not a current threat and Weapons of Mass Destruction are not the entire reason for the invasion, but would you agree that if you have intentions of invading it is best to do it before he does get a nuclear capability?

I really dont think that even if he was nuclear capable, he would use them on the United States without being attacked. He knows his entire nation would be turned into a sheet of glass in no time flat. To say it would be counter productive to attack the United States is an understatement. It took how many days to remove the Taliban?

I dont trust any of those small little shit countries with nukes. The only country I hear in the region threatening to use them is Israel.

I dont think he has them, and if he does, the ground troops that try and attack him are gonna find out real quick, the hard way. Or if we are real lucky he had them smuggled into the United States and planted in various cities. Its not like he can launch them and hit us.

Is he a threat? Yes. Can I think of about 40 other threats? Yes.

theking · 09-24-2002, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

Than for god sake, lets take down Iran, Syria and Yemen!

One at a time please

SpaceAce · 09-24-2002, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Three or four dozen? Name me a dozen? No I am not thick enough to believe the ones that have been caught are the only ones doing "this shit". How many more are about to go down? I am not a soothsayer, but I suspect that at some point there will be more.

Fine, here's ones I can think of off the top of my head. You are welcome to check my numbers in places where I say "about" or "more than" because that means I couldn't remember the precise numbers.

Waste Management, INC. Until Enron, the largest public collapse. Many dollars down the tube, lives ruined, etc. (This one is a few years old, the rest are in the last 1-2 years.)

Enron - we all know what happened here. Paper transactions, billions in debt shuffled off the books to their own subsidiaries, bribery, etc. Much bullshit, many dollars lost, pension plans gone (PUBLIC ones, as well, I might ass since many states own stock for their workers).

Haliburton - passed something over $100,000,000 in bogus costs on to customers.

Xerox - in the last five years or so has completely invented over $1.5 billion in earnings.

The Baptist Fund - wiped out the savings of over 10,000 people by falsifying records and cooking the books. Somethinig on the order of $700,000,000 gone into thin air. The Largest ever collapse of a non-profit instituion. Left thousands of people absolutely destitute.

WorldCom - cooked the books to the tune of around $4,000,000,000 dollars and gave under-the-table off-the-books loans to their founder.

Adelphia - over $3.1 billion in illegal load actvity to the Rigas Family along with artificially inflating earnings and hiding debt. Some of these guys are on their way to jail.

Arthur Anderson - auditors for Enron, WorldCom, The Baptist Foundation AND Waste Management (probably others, too, but those are the ones I remember).

Merck - in the last few years has booked over $12 billion in non-existent revenue. They just made it up. They never collected it, but it went on their books.

Not quite a dozen, but not bad for just reading the papers in the last few months. EVERY one of these companies has cost people money in their stocks, pension plans, salaries and have hurt the economy through loss of jobs, decline in value, etc. Every single one of these companies got away with it for a long time because the laws are geared for the corporations and not the people. If the laws were not so unduly friendly to the corporations, Arthur Anderson wouldn't have been able to fuck everyone so hard for so long, Enron would not have gotten away with the same shit Waste Management did and there would be 10,000 Baptists with enough money to live instead of having to lean on family or collect welfare (more damage to the economy).

So, unless you're paying attention, don't waste your time calling me out.

SpaceAce

ControlThy · 09-24-2002, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

It took how many days to remove the Taliban?

I don't think the two can be compared.

I have read several reports and analysis from defense specialists and the reports show that Saddam Hussein has control over well trained special forces, albeit a small amount of troops - they can cause injury and death to US ground troops. His main army is a wreck, his elite troops are not too loyal. But his "super" elite soldiers are his best bet, they protect him and his family and they are loyal.

Even if the US completely destroys cities like Bagdad, Samarra and others - you still have the problem of getting Saddam who fled the scene of war by using his extensive network of underground tunnels.

ControlThy · 09-24-2002, 03:01 PM

At any point....

The Taliban did not have an organized army like Saddam has, Saddam has tanks and an airforce and the opposition in Iraq is not as strong as the Nothern Alliance in Afghanistan.

SpaceAce · 09-24-2002, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

I really dont think that even if he was nuclear capable, he would use them on the United States without being attacked. He knows his entire nation would be turned into a sheet of glass in no time flat. To say it would be counter productive to attack the United States is an understatement. It took how many days to remove the Taliban?

I dont trust any of those small little shit countries with nukes. The only country I hear in the region threatening to use them is Israel.

I dont think he has them, and if he does, the ground troops that try and attack him are gonna find out real quick, the hard way. Or if we are real lucky he had them smuggled into the United States and planted in various cities. Its not like he can launch them and hit us.

Is he a threat? Yes. Can I think of about 40 other threats? Yes.

It's really a function of how nuts he is. Is he really around the bend? Does he really believe in holy war or that having his nation turned into slag is worth it if he slaughters some infidels on the way out?

We can be pretty sure he doesn't have any ICBMs to hit us with and if he does have nukes, it can't be very many. Saddam is clearly not a threat as far as taking out our entire nation, but would we really want to lose a stadium with 70,000 people in it, either?

As far as total destructive power, he is not the biggest treat to the USA, but he does seem like one of the more vocal and perhaps willing to follow through if/when he gets the proper equipment and opportunity.

SpaceAce

SpaceAce · 09-24-2002, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by ControlThy
At any point....

The Taliban did not have an organized army like Saddam has, Saddam has tanks and an airforce and the opposition in Iraq is not as strong as the Nothern Alliance in Afghanistan.

That's true, but he doesn't have the means to get those tanks over here. Even if he could, from what I remember, they are relics and certainly can't stand up in modern warfare.

Tanks and aircraft will be moot in a real global conflict, anyway.

How does the quote go? "It is not known with what weapon World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be faught with sticks and stones."

SpaceAce

pr0 · 09-24-2002, 03:08 PM

I'm going to the titty bar...see you guys later

SpaceAce · 09-24-2002, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by pr0
I'm going to the titty bar...see you guys later

Squeeze one for me.

SpaceAce

[Labret] · 09-24-2002, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

I don't think the two can be compared.

I have read several reports and analysis from defense specialists and the reports show that Saddam Hussein has control over well trained special forces, albeit a small amount of troops - they can cause injury and death to US ground troops. His main army is a wreck, his elite troops are not too loyal. But his "super" elite soldiers are his best bet, they protect him and his family and they are loyal.

Thats what they said before the Gulf War.

4th largest army. Desert warfare specialists... yada yada yada. He crumbled like a little girl.

[Labret] · 09-24-2002, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by ControlThy
At any point....

The Taliban did not have an organized army like Saddam has, Saddam has tanks and an airforce and the opposition in Iraq is not as strong as the Nothern Alliance in Afghanistan.

They managed to stop the Russians. The Taliban and its Mujahadeen were no pussies.

ControlThy · 09-24-2002, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

That's true, but he doesn't have the means to get those tanks over here. Even if he could, from what I remember, they are relics and certainly can't stand up in modern warfare.

I was certainly not implying that Iraq has the capability to transfer military material and personnel to the United States. That would have been humorous. I was refering to a land based war between US soldiers and the Iraqi army in Iraq.

[Labret] · 09-24-2002, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

It's really a function of how nuts he is. Is he really around the bend? Does he really believe in holy war or that having his nation turned into slag is worth it if he slaughters some infidels on the way out?

Saddam routinely kills fundamentalists in his country. This is not a holy war for him. He may use the terminology to try and gain support, but he is far from a muslim fundamentalist. He hates them. He knows there is no worse threat to his power than a powerful extremist movement in his country.

ControlThy · 09-24-2002, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

They managed to stop the Russians. The Taliban and its Mujahadeen were no pussies.

But Labret, as you know the Russians did not have the military and financial resources the US has when they fought the Taliban.

The US army used airplanes against enemy ground forces, surely there is NO doubt about the military superiority of the US army during the Afghanistan operation.

SpaceAce · 09-24-2002, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

I was certainly not implying that Iraq has the capability to transfer military material and personnel to the United States. That would have been humorous. I was refering to a land based war between US soldiers and the Iraqi army in Iraq.

All I can really go on is the way his army disintegrated last time.

I am sure I am not the only one who remembers watching Iraqi soldiers surrender to camera crews. He is a local thug, I think, and nothing more.

I am not saying I don't think he should be delt with. I just don't think he's as dangerous (right now) as people seem to think. Of course, complacency on our part automatically makes him 10x more dangerous than he is when we're on the ball.

SpaceAce

drew · 09-24-2002, 03:20 PM

Same fucking crying foreign idiots. Dont be mad that your country doesn't count

theking · 09-24-2002, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

Fine, here's ones I can think of off the top of my head. You are welcome to check my numbers in places where I say "about" or "more than" because that means I couldn't remember the precise numbers.

Waste Management, INC. Until Enron, the largest public collapse. Many dollars down the tube, lives ruined, etc. (This one is a few years old, the rest are in the last 1-2 years.)

Enron - we all know what happened here. Paper transactions, billions in debt shuffled off the books to their own subsidiaries, bribery, etc. Much bullshit, many dollars lost, pension plans gone (PUBLIC ones, as well, I might ass since many states own stock for their workers).

Haliburton - passed something over $100,000,000 in bogus costs on to customers.

Xerox - in the last five years or so has completely invented over $1.5 billion in earnings.

The Baptist Fund - wiped out the savings of over 10,000 people by falsifying records and cooking the books. Somethinig on the order of $700,000,000 gone into thin air. The Largest ever collapse of a non-profit instituion. Left thousands of people absolutely destitute.

WorldCom - cooked the books to the tune of around $4,000,000,000 dollars and gave under-the-table off-the-books loans to their founder.

Adelphia - over $3.1 billion in illegal load actvity to the Rigas Family along with artificially inflating earnings and hiding debt. Some of these guys are on their way to jail.

Arthur Anderson - auditors for Enron, WorldCom, The Baptist Foundation AND Waste Management (probably others, too, but those are the ones I remember).

Merck - in the last few years has booked over $12 billion in non-existent revenue. They just made it up. They never collected it, but it went on their books.

Not quite a dozen, but not bad for just reading the papers in the last few months. EVERY one of these companies has cost people money in their stocks, pension plans, salaries and have hurt the economy through loss of jobs, decline in value, etc. Every single one of these companies got away with it for a long time because the laws are geared for the corporations and not the people. If the laws were not so unduly friendly to the corporations, Arthur Anderson wouldn't have been able to fuck everyone so hard for so long, Enron would not have gotten away with the same shit Waste Management did and there would be 10,000 Baptists with enough money to live instead of having to lean on family or collect welfare (more damage to the economy).

So, unless you're paying attention, don't waste your time calling me out.

SpaceAce

I said three or four you said three or four dozen. I should have qualified my statement by stating within the last year or so. Of course over the years many companies have been found guilty of crooked business dealings. You named seven and without researching the matter as far as I Know Haliburton is stlll a large and stable company. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. The laws that apply to corporations have recently been improved upon and this includes criminal law as well. Some of these people involved will eventually find themselves wearing prison denim as several of these cases are currently being investigated by the JD. Just answer this question please. Is it business, big and small, that provides the US with the number one GNP in the world?

SpaceAce · 09-24-2002, 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

Saddam routinely kills fundamentalists in his country. This is not a holy war for him. He may use the terminology to try and gain support, but he is far from a muslim fundamentalist. He hates them. He knows there is no worse threat to his power than a powerful extremist movement in his country.

I won't argue with that because I agree he's a paranoid fuck. I don't know enough to say with any certainty, but I imagine his slaughtering fundamentalists in order to keep his power doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't agree with some of the ideas. It just means he doesn't want competition in implementing them.

SpaceAce

[Labret] · 09-24-2002, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

But Labret, as you know the Russians did not have the military and financial resources the US has when they fought the Taliban.

The US army used airplanes against enemy ground forces, surely there is NO doubt about the military superiority of the US army during the Afghanistan operation.

The Russians spent how many years trying to do those little bastards in? They had planes, tanks, and superior weaponry. What did we give the Mujahadeen? Sure as fuck wasnt bombers and tanks.

The Mujahadeen are still kicking the Russians asses Chechnya. And with what? God and an AK47.

The point is, it took us a week to do what the Russians couldnt do in 10 years. Nobody is a threat to us. Let alone Iraq. The only thing Saddam is a threat to are the Kurds and Kuwait.

SpaceAce · 09-24-2002, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by theking

I said three or four you said three or four dozen. I should have qualified my statement by stating within the last year or so. Of course over the years many companies have been found guilty of crooked business dealings. You named seven and without researching the matter as far as I Know Haliburton is stlll a large and stable company. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. The laws that apply to corporations have recently been improved upon and this includes criminal law as well. Some of these people involved will eventually find themselves wearing prison denim as several of these cases are currently being investigated by the JD. Just answer this question please. Is it business, big and small, that provides the US with the number one GNP in the world?

Except for Waste Management, I believe those were all since 2001.

Stable and healthy companies don't cook books like that because... they are stable and healthy and don't need to. The fact that they haven't completely collapsed _yet_ doesn't mean they can't or won't. Those examples are merely symptoms of the larger problem.

Yes, there has been a shift toward more stringent laws, recently. Let's face facts, though, that's is 100% last-minute ass-covering or those laws would have been in place decades ago.

Of course business provides any country with their GNP. So what? They generate money so they can be excused for whatever they choose to do? Baloney. That's is an <B>extremely</B> weak attempt at knocking my argument aside and I think you know it. Who benefits the most when these companies are pulling this shit? It isn't the bottom-rung grunts. They don't taste the big money or the benefits. At best, they get to keep a job. Who suffers the most when these precarious financial card-houses come down? The same bottom-rung grunts that didn't benefit while the company was getting away with it. The worker gets it in the shorts while the people who were perpetrating all the book cooking and illegal trading float away on golden parachutes. Do you really believe those people are going to be punished adequetly? Not a chance. They'll get some of the mid-high level management and the real skunks will move to Belize or keep the cases tied up in court until they die in the hut tubs of their $20,000,000 mansions.

SpaceAce

ControlThy · 09-24-2002, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

The Russians spent how many years trying to do those little bastards in? They had planes, tanks, and superior weaponry.

The point is, it took us a week to do what the Russians couldnt do in 10 years. Nobody is a threat to us. Let alone Iraq. The only thing Saddam is a threat to are the Kurds and Kuwait.

Edit: Double post.

Anyway, I have to answer over 80 questions from Paysite members so I am off.

ControlThy · 09-24-2002, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

The Russians spent how many years trying to do those little bastards in? They had planes, tanks, and superior weaponry.

The point is, it took us a week to do what the Russians couldnt do in 10 years. Nobody is a threat to us. Let alone Iraq. The only thing Saddam is a threat to are the Kurds and Kuwait.

For a part true, but still new technology and lessons learned from errors made by the Russians helped design the US military tactic(s) that gave them victory over the Taliban.

I agree that realistically speaking, no real threats to the US exists from not friendly foreign nations.

drew · 09-24-2002, 03:41 PM

ControlThy, you are such a pathetic idiot. You must be french

Kingfish · 09-24-2002, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by madthumbs
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The people aren't the corporations, and the corporations aren't the people ... but take away the corporations, and the people won't have shit ... jobs, food, cars, money, luxury etc ...

People bitch that republicans give money (tax breaks etc) to the rich .. well i mean damn ... the people who are rich are obviously intelligent and most likely own a company that is providing jobs for the not so rich people ... so by giving the money to the people who will invest the money correctly they are basically just channelling it through them to keep the not so rich people from wasting it etc ..

Or something ...

In fact most people that are rich (net worth over $999,999) earned their wealth the old fashioned way. They inherited it. They have no special talent or skill they were just born into the right family. It boggles the mind to hear that some how these people should be rewarded just because they were born rich.

Honeyslut · 09-24-2002, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by Vegas Babe
No Carrier, I've never seen that, that is funny pic, but sad that it is true. My brother works for Delphi, and according to him, they have the technology to make cars that will get 100 miles per gallon but they don't because of the pressure of the big oil industries. They need to wize up and reduce our dependency on foreign oil. Will that happen any time soon? Doubt it.

Yeah, and this was going on in 40's ,too

http://www.tucker48.com

funkmaster · 09-24-2002, 03:49 PM

"I think people fail to realize that without war there is no long period of peace."

... and I think idiots like you are the reason for me being so fucking inteligent ... thanks twat !!

theking · 09-24-2002, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by SpaceAce

Except for Waste Management, I believe those were all since 2001.

Stable and healthy companies don't cook books like that because... they are stable and healthy and don't need to. The fact that they haven't completely collapsed _yet_ doesn't mean they can't or won't. Those examples are merely symptoms of the larger problem.

Yes, there has been a shift toward more stringent laws, recently. Let's face facts, though, that's is 100% last-minute ass-covering or those laws would have been in place decades ago.

Of course business provides any country with their GNP. So what? They generate money so they can be excused for whatever they choose to do? Baloney. That's is an <B>extremely</B> weak attempt at knocking my argument aside and I think you know it. Who benefits the most when these companies are pulling this shit? It isn't the bottom-rung grunts. They don't taste the big money or the benefits. At best, they get to keep a job. Who suffers the most when these precarious financial card-houses come down? The same bottom-rung grunts that didn't benefit while the company was getting away with it. The worker gets it in the shorts while the people who were perpetrating all the book cooking and illegal trading float away on golden parachutes. Do you really believe those people are going to be punished adequetly? Not a chance. They'll get some of the mid-high level management and the real skunks will move to Belize or keep the cases tied up in court until they die in the hut tubs of their $20,000,000 mansions.

SpaceAce

There have been some bum deals. There always has been, and there always will be. I maintain that in general whatever is good for business, is good for America (of course with checks and balances). This includes the oil companies. These "robber baron" oil companies have, to the best of my knowledge, provided Americans with the cheaptest prices for our gas guzzling vehicles, and home fuel, etc. in the entire Western Industrialized world. I am not one that subscribes to Massivecocks NWO and the sky is falling. The USA has its problems but the end is not near. Is the reason for the invasion of Iraq based partly, or maybe even majoritively, because of Oil? It may be, but there are many other important reasons for invading Iraq. If it were only about the oil I still would not have a problem with taking control of Iraq, because it puts the US in a position to take control of the rest of the oil fields in that area, if we feel the need, and as the world oil supplies dwindle, we may feel the need. I want America to remain the richest and most powerful nation on the Earth and I really do not care whose toes may be stepped on.

theking · 09-24-2002, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by Kingfish

In fact most people that are rich (net worth over $999,999) earned their wealth the old fashioned way. They inherited it. They have no special talent or skill they were just born into the right family. It boggles the mind to hear that some how these people should be rewarded just because they were born rich.

Do you have a source to verify your statement that the majority of the people that are worth more than $999,999 inherited their money. It may be true. I don't know. I personally know many people, including several from my graduating high school class that are worth that much, and more, that did not inherit their money. They came from working class parents, and started out as working class themselves. In addition I don't think that in this age being worth $999,999 is a qualifier to be classified as being rich.

theking · 09-24-2002, 04:21 PM

Ooops. Double post.

Kingfish · 09-24-2002, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Do you have a source to verify your statement that the majority of the people that are worth more than $999,999 inherited their money. It may be true. I don't know. I personally know many people, including several from my graduating high school class that are worth that much, and more, that did not inherit their money. They came from working class parents, and started out as working class themselves. In addition I don't think that in this age being worth $999,999 is a qualifier to be classified as being rich.

I wish I could find you some hard data right now, but I have read many articles on this over the years and it is true. One of the last articles I read was in fortune magazine. I think if you spend a little time on research you can easily verify this if you wish.

And yes you can find many examples of real life people that made it big despite the hurdles, but in terms of the rich the born rich vastly outnumber the made it themselves rich.

ChrisH · 09-24-2002, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by theking

There have been some bum deals. There always has been, and there always will be. I maintain that in general whatever is good for business, is good for America (of course with checks and balances). This includes the oil companies. These "robber baron" oil companies have, to the best of my knowledge, provided Americans with the cheaptest prices for our gas guzzling vehicles, and home fuel, etc. in the entire Western Industrialized world. I am not one that subscribes to Massivecocks NWO and the sky is falling. The USA has its problems but the end is not near. Is the reason for the invasion of Iraq based partly, or maybe even majoritively, because of Oil? It may be, but there are many other important reasons for invading Iraq. If it were only about the oil I still would not have a problem with taking control of Iraq, because it puts the US in a position to take control of the rest of the oil fields in that area, if we feel the need, and as the world oil supplies dwindle, we may feel the need. I want America to remain the richest and most powerful nation on the Earth and I really do not care whose toes may be stepped on.

Schwick · 09-24-2002, 05:18 PM

The fact of the matter is that we (Americans) are going to take this chance to take control of the middle east...there is a load of oil there. There is 4 types of power 1. oil 2. military 3. economics 4. nuclear and we will take away the oil so that they do not have 1 3 and 4. The president sees things in the long run.

slackologist · 09-24-2002, 05:42 PM

I can see the " I'm an American. Fuck the rest of the world" attitude shining through. Some people born into relative luxury begin to rot when they start taking it for granted.

It seems this is what has happened to America finally, I'm sure the founders didn't envision it. The eternal teenager America screams, blackmails and eventually lashes out in violent outrage when it isn't getting what it wants.

Wake up America ( those in america that have any real power), if you play the school yard bully or indeed abuse the less fortunate, down the road they will haunt you, memories may fade fast in the bloated/satisfied mainstream American culture, but in places where people have to struggle every day for theirs and their families lives and time after time this big brother has come to bomb the crap out of them. they wont forget and they haven't.

Dick and Donald, it's almost funny, comical, what these two did back in the 50's-60's with chemical warfare is not to be laughed at (the codenamed artichoke experiments in Germany, USA(on it's own civilians), dropping anthrax on Korea and elsewhere)

I love what America used to stand for, it's a shame she has let all that she once held sacred become a transparent facade revealing the true black cold hearted bitch driving an SUV gobbling down 99% FAT meat burgers, wasting so much when others have so little. If it isn't criminal, it is immoral.

Joe Sixpack · 09-24-2002, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by slackologist
I can see the " I'm an American. Fuck the rest of the world" attitude shining through. Some people born into relative luxury begin to rot when they start taking it for granted.

It seems this is what has happened to America finally, I'm sure the founders didn't envision it. The eternal teenager America screams, blackmails and eventually lashes out in violent outrage when it isn't getting what it wants.

Wake up America ( those in america that have any real power), if you play the school yard bully or indeed abuse the less fortunate, down the road they will haunt you, memories may fade fast in the bloated/satisfied mainstream American culture, but in places where people have to struggle every day for theirs and their families lives and time after time this big brother has come to bomb the crap out of them. they wont forget and they haven't.

Dick and Donald, it's almost funny, comical, what these two did back in the 50's-60's with chemical warfare is not to be laughed at (the codenamed artichoke experiments in Germany, USA(on it's own civilians), dropping anthrax on Korea and elsewhere)

I love what America used to stand for, it's a shame she has let all that she once held sacred become a transparent facade revealing the true black cold hearted bitch driving an SUV gobbling down 99% FAT meat burgers, wasting so much when others have so little. If it isn't criminal, it is immoral.

Very well said!

drew · 09-24-2002, 06:03 PM

Rest of the world needs America more that America needs the rest of the world.

Joe Sixpack · 09-24-2002, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by drew
Rest of the world needs America more that America needs the rest of the world.

Yeah that's right. We need McDonalds, shitty Hollywood movies and Britney Spears. hahahahahahaha

[Dan] · 09-24-2002, 06:19 PM

I have a question for those who think Bush should attack Saddam (I'm neutral in the debate - just curious). What makes you think he will be easy to find/catch? I mean he has like 20 palaces, underground tunnels and the like. Ben Ladin had only caves and maybe a couple of tunnels to hide and he ran away. Saddam might lose the control of Iraq but most likely he will be harder to find than Ben Ladin and probably escape.. And if he got all these massive-destruction weapons, I would guess he will run away with them - or samples of them, along with his "elite" force. So in the end, besides taking the control of the country, the US army won't have changed anything about the threat level.

Anyway all this to say that when everybody talks about attacking Iraq, they always seem to imply Saddam will be easy to catch or don't mind about him; anybody ever thought he will most likely run away? HE is the threat after all..

slackologist · 09-24-2002, 06:20 PM

america. it's like ordering bacon and eggs and getting a bit of scrambled egg white, burnt bacon and five pounds of spam on the side.

drew · 09-24-2002, 06:31 PM

Joe Idiot. Yes you need McDonalds, shitty Hollywood movies and Britney Spears. You know why, cause your stupid people want it. On the other hand what Australia produce? I can not remember of anything. When I go to store there is nothing Made in Australia. Oh I remember, you beer. LOL
What else. Oh I forgot, Your Great Holden cars right? Or is it owned by US company? LOL
You are not important. 20 mil. people in middle of nowhere that's all. Get over it.

jimmyf · 09-24-2002, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slackologist

I love what America used to stand for, it's a shame she has let all that she once held sacred become a transparent facade revealing the true black cold hearted bitch driving an SUV gobbling down 99% FAT meat burgers, wasting so much when others have so little. If it isn't criminal, it is immoral.

You are fucking right on.... and I love it... eat your heart's out you poor bastards all over the world... I just wonder why over 90% of the rest of the world want's to come here and be.... "a transparent facade revealing the true black cold hearted bitch driving an SUV gobbling down 99% FAT meat burgers, wasting so much when others have so little. If it isn't criminal, it is immoral. "

slackologist · 09-24-2002, 06:52 PM

where is the intelligent debate coming from the " i'm american lets fuck over the rest of the world to sustain our luxury" corner.

i havnt seen it yet.

in fact all ive seen are a few should be cave dwelling apes with net access, a taste for fatty foods and air-con spouting" i'm better than you so fuck off, my daddy has more money than yours, everyone wants to come to my place cause we have the best stuff"

this is about invading iraq for power, nothing else. if you can justify it to yourself, well good for you. ignorance is bliss after all

:-)

i know alot of americans who do share my views on the current US administration and they are well educated, well informed and decent upstanding people. These people envision not only what is best for thier country, but what is best for the world as a global community that has to live together for many centuries, hopefully in peace.

will we see america continue the cycle of hate/war/violence in the world? i'd almost stake my life on a yes vote.

theking · 09-24-2002, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slackologist
where is the intelligent debate coming from the " i'm american lets fuck over the rest of the world to sustain our luxury" corner.

i havnt seen it yet.

in fact all ive seen are a few should be cave dwelling apes with net access, a taste for fatty foods and air-con spouting" i'm better than you so fuck off, my daddy has more money than yours, everyone wants to come to my place cause we have the best stuff"

this is about invading iraq for power, nothing else. if you can justify it to yourself, well good for you. ignorance is bliss after all

:-)

i know alot of americans who do share my views on the current US administration and they are well educated, well informed and decent upstanding people. These people envision not only what is best for thier country, but what is best for the world as a global community that has to live together for many centuries, hopefully in peace.

will we see america continue the cycle of hate/war/violence in the world? i'd almost stake my life on a yes vote.

Is it best for the global community that Sadam remain in power in Iraq?

drew · 09-24-2002, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slackologist
where is the intelligent debate coming from the " i'm american lets fuck over the rest of the world to sustain our luxury" corner.

i havnt seen it yet.

in fact all ive seen are a few should be cave dwelling apes with net access, a taste for fatty foods and air-con spouting" i'm better than you so fuck off, my daddy has more money than yours, everyone wants to come to my place cause we have the best stuff"

this is about invading iraq for power, nothing else. if you can justify it to yourself, well good for you. ignorance is bliss after all

:-)

i know alot of americans who do share my views on the current US administration and they are well educated, well informed and decent upstanding people. These people envision not only what is best for thier country, but what is best for the world as a global community that has to live together for many centuries, hopefully in peace.

will we see america continue the cycle of hate/war/violence in the world? i'd almost stake my life on a yes vote.

Why dont you worry about your government? About locking refuges in your concentration camps in the desert?

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09-24-2002, 03:01 PM	#62
ControlThy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,909	At any point.... The Taliban did not have an organized army like Saddam has, Saddam has tanks and an airforce and the opposition in Iraq is not as strong as the Nothern Alliance in Afghanistan.

09-24-2002, 03:08 PM	#65
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09-24-2002, 03:20 PM	#73
drew Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: us Posts: 336	Same fucking crying foreign idiots. Dont be mad that your country doesn't count

09-24-2002, 03:41 PM	#80
drew Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: us Posts: 336	ControlThy, you are such a pathetic idiot. You must be french

09-24-2002, 03:49 PM	#83
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	"I think people fail to realize that without war there is no long period of peace." ... and I think idiots like you are the reason for me being so fucking inteligent ... thanks twat !!

09-24-2002, 05:18 PM	#89
Schwick Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Right here, right now. Posts: 543	The fact of the matter is that we (Americans) are going to take this chance to take control of the middle east...there is a load of oil there. There is 4 types of power 1. oil 2. military 3. economics 4. nuclear and we will take away the oil so that they do not have 1 3 and 4. The president sees things in the long run.

09-24-2002, 05:42 PM	#90
slackologist Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 2,379	I can see the " I'm an American. Fuck the rest of the world" attitude shining through. Some people born into relative luxury begin to rot when they start taking it for granted. It seems this is what has happened to America finally, I'm sure the founders didn't envision it. The eternal teenager America screams, blackmails and eventually lashes out in violent outrage when it isn't getting what it wants. Wake up America ( those in america that have any real power), if you play the school yard bully or indeed abuse the less fortunate, down the road they will haunt you, memories may fade fast in the bloated/satisfied mainstream American culture, but in places where people have to struggle every day for theirs and their families lives and time after time this big brother has come to bomb the crap out of them. they wont forget and they haven't. Dick and Donald, it's almost funny, comical, what these two did back in the 50's-60's with chemical warfare is not to be laughed at (the codenamed artichoke experiments in Germany, USA(on it's own civilians), dropping anthrax on Korea and elsewhere) I love what America used to stand for, it's a shame she has let all that she once held sacred become a transparent facade revealing the true black cold hearted bitch driving an SUV gobbling down 99% FAT meat burgers, wasting so much when others have so little. If it isn't criminal, it is immoral.

09-24-2002, 06:03 PM	#92
drew Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: us Posts: 336	Rest of the world needs America more that America needs the rest of the world.

09-24-2002, 06:19 PM	#94
[Dan] Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere in time Posts: 143	I have a question for those who think Bush should attack Saddam (I'm neutral in the debate - just curious). What makes you think he will be easy to find/catch? I mean he has like 20 palaces, underground tunnels and the like. Ben Ladin had only caves and maybe a couple of tunnels to hide and he ran away. Saddam might lose the control of Iraq but most likely he will be harder to find than Ben Ladin and probably escape.. And if he got all these massive-destruction weapons, I would guess he will run away with them - or samples of them, along with his "elite" force. So in the end, besides taking the control of the country, the US army won't have changed anything about the threat level. Anyway all this to say that when everybody talks about attacking Iraq, they always seem to imply Saddam will be easy to catch or don't mind about him; anybody ever thought he will most likely run away? HE is the threat after all..

09-24-2002, 06:20 PM	#95
slackologist Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 2,379	america. it's like ordering bacon and eggs and getting a bit of scrambled egg white, burnt bacon and five pounds of spam on the side.

09-24-2002, 06:31 PM	#96
drew Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: us Posts: 336	Joe Idiot. Yes you need McDonalds, shitty Hollywood movies and Britney Spears. You know why, cause your stupid people want it. On the other hand what Australia produce? I can not remember of anything. When I go to store there is nothing Made in Australia. Oh I remember, you beer. LOL What else. Oh I forgot, Your Great Holden cars right? Or is it owned by US company? LOL You are not important. 20 mil. people in middle of nowhere that's all. Get over it.

09-24-2002, 06:52 PM	#98
slackologist Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 2,379	where is the intelligent debate coming from the " i'm american lets fuck over the rest of the world to sustain our luxury" corner. i havnt seen it yet. in fact all ive seen are a few should be cave dwelling apes with net access, a taste for fatty foods and air-con spouting" i'm better than you so fuck off, my daddy has more money than yours, everyone wants to come to my place cause we have the best stuff" this is about invading iraq for power, nothing else. if you can justify it to yourself, well good for you. ignorance is bliss after all :-) i know alot of americans who do share my views on the current US administration and they are well educated, well informed and decent upstanding people. These people envision not only what is best for thier country, but what is best for the world as a global community that has to live together for many centuries, hopefully in peace. will we see america continue the cycle of hate/war/violence in the world? i'd almost stake my life on a yes vote.