AFF Settles FTC Changes Re: Pop-Ups - GoFuckYourself.com

nwm · 12-06-2007, 10:33 AM

Adult-Oriented Online Social Networking Operation Settles FTC Charges; Unwitting Consumers Pelted With Sexually Graphic Pop-Ups

ftc dot gov/opa/2007/12/afriendfinder.shtm

(FTC gov front page)

Can someone else linkify? I don't have 30 posts yet.

pocketkangaroo · 12-06-2007, 10:36 AM

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2007/12/afriendfinder.shtm

baddog · 12-06-2007, 10:36 AM

http://ftc.gov/opa/2007/12/afriendfinder.shtm

WiredGuy · 12-06-2007, 01:57 PM

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According to the FTC, AdultFriendFinder.com, which touts itself as “The World’s Largest Sex & Swingers Personal Community,” and its affiliates use pop-up ads to drive traffic to its Web sites. Some of the ads have included graphic depictions of sexual behavior, exposing consumers, including children, to sexually explicit images. Such ads were displayed to consumers who were searching online using terms such as “flowers,” “travel,” and “vacations.” In some cases, defendant’s sexually explicit ads were distributed using spyware and adware.

Is this their way of saying the FTC came after AFF for using Zango to put popups on unrelated sites?
WG

crockett · 12-06-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Is this their way of saying the FTC came after AFF for using Zango to put popups on unrelated sites?
WG

Sounds that way to me.. But hay Larz is still a stand up guy and a leader in the Adult Industry.

L-Pink · 12-06-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Sounds that way to me.. But hay Larz is still a stand up guy and a leader in the Adult Industry.

I bought his autograph on ebay. (it's on the back of an old zango invoice)

DatingGold · 12-06-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

I bought his autograph on ebay. (it's on the back of an old zango invoice)

you must be making that up

borked · 12-06-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

Is this their way of saying the FTC came after AFF for using Zango to put popups on unrelated sites?
WG

Such ads were displayed to consumers who were searching online using terms such as ?flowers,? ?travel,? and ?vacations.? In some cases, defendant?s sexually explicit ads were distributed using spyware and adware.

Vendot · 12-06-2007, 03:59 PM

AFF is a social networking site?

Well fuck me with a fiddle stick.

Move over facebook.

will76 · 12-06-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by vendot

AFF is a social networking site?

Well fuck me with a fiddle stick.

Move over facebook.

Yeah its a social networking site, 1 guy to every 100000 fake girls. Only diffence between myspace and AFF is that myspace actually deletes all the fake profiles and myspace has real girls

will76 · 12-06-2007, 06:10 PM

NOTE: This stipulated final order is for settlement purposes only and does not constitute an admission by the defendant of a law violation. A stipulated final order requires approval by the court and has the force of law when signed by the judge.

so Lars will say " we didn't break the law"

One of those, you were about to get fucked in the ass so you settled to save the govt the trouble of a lawsuit and you can be like zango and say " we didn't break the law" pathetic.

Brujah · 12-06-2007, 06:17 PM

I wonder how profitable Zango was overall for them.

will76 · 12-06-2007, 06:17 PM

Such ads were displayed to consumers who were searching online using terms such as ?flowers,? ?travel,? and ?vacations.? In some cases, defendant?s sexually explicit ads were distributed using spyware and adware.

such a stand up top notch company. They make us all proud.

will76 · 12-06-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I wonder how profitable Zango was overall for them.

When they stopped using zango they said it was because i made it unprofitable for them to use it. Then they started using it again a few months ago it looks like, so i guess it was profitable again

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-06-2007, 06:26 PM

A former employee writes about AFF:

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Until sometime this year, I was an employee of the Friend Finder Network. I unfortunately had to work there because I was unable to find alternate employment for comparable compensation in my area. I found their business practices to be illegal and immoral and I am so happy to have disassociated myself with them. Here is the inside information into how the ?network" works:

1. Andrew Conru established the Friend Finder Network based on spam, lies, and deceptive business practices in 1996 on cheap computers and even cheaper programs.
2. Andrew Conru was the first person to be charged under California State anti-spam laws. He privately considers this some sort of badge of honor.

3. Andrew Conru refuses to remove profiles and photos of individuals regardless of how old or stale they become. Some profiles on his website represent individuals who have died several years ago. Profiles on his websites can be as old as eight (8) years old!

4. Andrew Conru uses employees to send out illegal and deceptive unsolicited commercial email (SPAM) to lure unsuspected consumers to his websites.

5. Andrew Conru deliberately makes his websites to seem like they have many more profiles than they actually do. The number of profiles listed in his profile pages do not accurately represent what is found in his database.
6. Andrew Conru uses computer code and employees to make his sites appear to be much more active and interesting than they really are. For example, you'll find his chat rooms will ?play" old archives of chat conversations that are not actually occurring in real time. You'll also find yourself receiving email from profiles that are not real people. The use of Bots is a core principal that drives his business.

7. After being charged and investigated several times for Spam violations, Andrew Conru now engages the services of an off-shore (Taiwan) organization to send out massive amounts of illegal and deceptive unsolicited commercial email (SPAM). Andrew Conru believes that this exempts him from being in violation o US Law, and has made that point very clear to many of his employees. In actuality, this activity does not exempt him from violation and he is still breaking the law.

8. Andrew Conru deliberately and knowingly does not scrub his list of people who ask to be removed from future mailings (almost non of his emails even have a way to do so) or known minors. According to Andrew Conru, children have access to their parents credit cards too.

9. Andrew Conru owns hundreds if not thousands of domain names that are deceptively registered for the sole purpose of spamming the search engines and providing locations to target his illegal and deceptive spam so that he can deny ownership of and blame others for.
10. Andrew Conru has caused many of his partners and affiliates to undergo painstaking and sometimes devastating investigations of spam violations by various courts, ISP's, and government authorities only to divert attention away from his illegal spam operation.

11. Andrew Conru uses a complex web of various online billing processors, offshore merchant banks, and third party payment processors to enable him to illegally make unauthorized charges against previous customer's credit cards. Andrew Conru knowingly relies on the fact that a very small percentage of these consumers will ever recognize his ambiguous payment monikers that show up on their credit card statements. Andrew Conru makes these charges relatively low (between $20 to $25) to ensure that the charges remain ?under their radar".

12. Andrew Conru has been denied the ability to process credit cards from several merchant banks in the past due to violations of regulations or excessively high consumer charge back rates forcing him to use third party processors and offshore banks.

13. Andrew Conru once had an excellent Network Operation Center (NOC) team working for his company until they were all forced to resign due to the fact that they were unable to tolerate being part of such a deceptive, misleading, immoral, corrupt company. When Andrew Conru was faced with their suggestions to change his deceptive business practices, they were all forced to resign through being reassigned to meaningless positions with associated cuts in compensation.

14. Andrew Conru takes deliberate and vengeful actions against former employees that are vocal about his business operations and makes them sign unacceptable confidentiality agreements.

I applaud the RipOffReport and all of the people who have posted honest concerns about this appalling, unpardonable, and awful criminal organization. My only hope is that one day Andrew Conru is thoroughly investigated and forced to pay for his crimes against society.

I should note that all of these points are based only upon information and belief and not based on fact. These point can easily be proven if a simple investigation was done through definitively answering the following questions:

1. Does Andrew Conru employ a foreign organization and if so, what are they tasked to do?

2. How many merchant accounts, payment processors, and billing providers are used by the entire Friend Finder Network? What are their charge back rates, complaint rates, and billing monikers? How many have they used in the past and why were they terminated? How many of them are offshore?

3. How many domain names have been paid for directly by Andrew Conru or the Friend Finder Network? How many of them have been blacklisted? How many of them are properly registered with the appropriate and accurate registration information?

4. How old are the profiles on his sites? Do any programs exist to deceptive make his websites seem more interesting and active than they actually are? Are the amount of profiles he claims to have in each state accurate?

I'm surprised with as many angry clients and disgruntled employees as AFF has, that an enterprising lawyer hasn't helped clients launch a class-action lawsuit against AFF yet...

ADG

WiredGuy · 12-06-2007, 06:58 PM

You know, of all the spam in the 10 years I've been doing this, I don't think I've ever seen an email solicitation for AFF.
WG

SmokeyTheBear · 12-06-2007, 07:58 PM

this will make it alot easier for sponsors to sue them i would think

SmokeyTheBear · 12-06-2007, 07:58 PM

maybe thats why they were trying to spurn a sale with the fake news release

OzMan · 12-06-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Such ads were displayed to consumers who were searching online using terms such as ?flowers,? ?travel,? and ?vacations.? In some cases, defendant?s sexually explicit ads were distributed using spyware and adware.

such a stand up top notch company. They make us all proud.

I don't get this part?

Even with zango installed, searching a non adult term like those above would never give me an adult popup for AFF or anyone else?

SmokeyTheBear · 12-06-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OzMan

I don't get this part?

Even with zango installed, searching a non adult term like those above would never give me an adult popup for AFF or anyone else?

not anymore anyways

they bought traffic from many spyware vendors than just zango

will76 · 12-06-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

You know, of all the spam in the 10 years I've been doing this, I don't think I've ever seen an email solicitation for AFF.
WG

you always seem to point out the positive about them

its like if someone broke into someone's house killed the people and lit the place on fire, you would say, yeah but at least they shut door on their way out and didn't leave it open.

WiredGuy · 12-06-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

you always seem to point out the positive about them

its like if someone broke into someone's house killed the people and lit the place on fire, you would say, yeah but at least they shut door on their way out and didn't leave it open.

LOL, I don't quite think that comparison is to the same degree, but really, I've seen tons of spams for porn, dating, but never AFF.
WG

qxm · 12-06-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

maybe thats why they were trying to spurn a sale with the fake news release

could be........

will76 · 12-06-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

LOL, I don't quite think that comparison is to the same degree, but really, I've seen tons of spams for porn, dating, but never AFF.
WG

beautiful, lets give them a cookie.

this thread is about how they used spyware and adware and targeted words like flowers and displayed explict content when targeting those maintream surfers. And they got fined by the FTC.

but the only thing you have to say is that you never received email spam from them, thanks for contributing to the thread topic.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 12-06-2007, 10:34 PM

152,000 listings when you Google "Adult Friend Finder" +spam.

ADG

crockett · 12-06-2007, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

A former employee writes about AFF:

I'm surprised with as many angry clients and disgruntled employees as AFF has, that an enterprising lawyer hasn't helped clients launch a class-action lawsuit against AFF yet...

ADG

This one was pretty interresting.

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11. Andrew Conru uses a complex web of various online billing processors, offshore merchant banks, and third party payment processors to enable him to illegally make unauthorized charges against previous customer's credit cards. Andrew Conru knowingly relies on the fact that a very small percentage of these consumers will ever recognize his ambiguous payment monikers that show up on their credit card statements. Andrew Conru makes these charges relatively low (between $20 to $25) to ensure that the charges remain ?under their radar".

I wonder if this is true. Honestly I wouldn't put it past them.

Antonio · 12-06-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy

You know, of all the spam in the 10 years I've been doing this, I don't think I've ever seen an email solicitation for AFF.
WG

noooooo, you can't say good things about AFF in this thread !!!

and even though AFF makes you 4 times more per click than 95% of the other sponsors you should promote the other sponsors, after all they are all as pure as Mother Theresa and then some

12-06-2007, 10:33 AM	#1
nwm Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 41	AFF Settles FTC Changes Re: Pop-Ups Adult-Oriented Online Social Networking Operation Settles FTC Charges; Unwitting Consumers Pelted With Sexually Graphic Pop-Ups ftc dot gov/opa/2007/12/afriendfinder.shtm (FTC gov front page) Can someone else linkify? I don't have 30 posts yet.

12-06-2007, 03:59 PM	#9
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will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	NOTE: This stipulated final order is for settlement purposes only and does not constitute an admission by the defendant of a law violation. A stipulated final order requires approval by the court and has the force of law when signed by the judge. so Lars will say " we didn't break the law" One of those, you were about to get fucked in the ass so you settled to save the govt the trouble of a lawsuit and you can be like zango and say " we didn't break the law" pathetic. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

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will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Such ads were displayed to consumers who were searching online using terms such as ?flowers,? ?travel,? and ?vacations.? In some cases, defendant?s sexually explicit ads were distributed using spyware and adware. such a stand up top notch company. They make us all proud. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue

12-06-2007, 10:36 AM	#2
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12-06-2007, 10:34 PM	#25
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