Did anyone see Ron Pauul completely get his ass handed to him on Meet the Press?

[Young]

definitely worth the laugh

https://youtube.com/watch?v=saDw0...eature=related

came off as a complete wacko, couldn't answer 50% of the questions.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

[tony286]

He isnt a good speaker so he comes off terrible and he is very vague about most of his plans.

[MattO]

Originally Posted by tony404

He isnt a good speaker so he comes off terrible and he is very vague about most of his plans.

Hmmm.. sounds like someone currently in office.

[stev0]

That was hardly "getting his ass handed to him". I'm no libertarian but he's got good points on the foreign policy.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Young

definitely worth the laugh

https://youtube.com/watch?v=saDw0...eature=related

came off as a complete wacko, couldn't answer 50% of the questions.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

of course no one noticed! he's the tinfoil hat crowd's messiah

[MaDalton]

i did not think that there could be someone out there that is even more stupid than bush - but it seems possible. that guy knows absolutely no facts about anything and the rest sounds like a 6 year old child

i think there should be an IQ test and a mental health test before someone can decide to become a president

[tony286]

Originally Posted by MattO

Hmmm.. sounds like someone currently in office.

This man wants to create radical change to be able to do that and have people follow you.You have to be a strong communicator.

[MaDalton]

Q: "how much money would it cost to cut income tax?"

A: "a lot"

Q: "how many troops do we have i Iraq?"

A: "more than we need"


talk about being badly prepared...

[notoldschool]

Funny shit. he is by far the most intelligent candidate and has proven it with ALL the work hes done to benefit this country. I love it when fat ass keyboard warriors who have NEVER done shit for their country try to tear down people who actually care about our countries future. He did fine seeing as he had no clue what would be asked, and he was ambushed with shit like comments from disgruntled employees. They took no commercial break, and so on. I cant wait to see dumb ass Gulliani on the show next. That dude has a lower IQ than Bush. And thanks for keeping my mans name in the spot light. Your guys lame attempt on this so called webmaster board will do nothing to stop his movement. If you want crooks to run the country thats fine but please remember this guys a docter and has actually served this country where the rest are a joke and could care less about your poor ass.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

talk about being badly prepared...

ha ha thats the point. They didnt not clue him into the questions on purpose and there is a huge reason they didnt take 1 commercial break. Fucking Sheep.

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[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

ha ha thats the point. They didnt not clue him into the questions on purpose and there is a huge reason they didnt take 1 commercial break. Fucking Sheep.

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dude, i say that very rarely, but you are an idiot.

when someone wants to eliminate income tax he should have at least an idea how much that is and how to finance it. especially when it's something basic in his program.

and if someone wants to get all soldiers back home, he should at least know how many are out there.

for questions like this you don't need any extra preparation or commercial breaks - not if you think you are able to run a country (it's almost comical that your mind is already so polluted that you think commercial breaks is something you need in a political debate - awesome).

the only sheep in here is you

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

i did not think that there could be someone out there that is even more stupid than bush - but it seems possible. that guy knows absolutely no facts about anything and the rest sounds like a 6 year old child

i think there should be an IQ test and a mental health test before someone can decide to become a president

I'm doubtful a guy with a medical degree from Duke and 13 books to his credit is even more stupid than Bush. In fact, it's possible Ron Paul has written more books that Bush has read.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

and if someone wants to get all soldiers back home, he should at least know how many are out there.


the only sheep in here is you

Yeah Im sure our president doesnt know that figure on a day to day basis. You are a fucking idiot. PERIOD.

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

ha ha thats the point. They didnt not clue him into the questions on purpose and there is a huge reason they didnt take 1 commercial break. Fucking Sheep.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaa

You're obviously a big Meet the Press fan.

There are usually only commercials during segment breaks, and on the meet the candidates episodes there are often none.

[Malicious Biz]

I like how he is against big federal spending but has no problem in earmarking billions for his district to prop up his own political career.

[dready]

That wasn't an ass handing. That was using flawed criticisms on purpose to give Ron a chance to shoot them down. It gives the illusion of being tough. For Ron, it's much more effective than throwing him softballs.

[Malicious Biz]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

They didnt not clue him into the questions on purpose and there is a huge reason they didnt take 1 commercial break.

So you think people are going to clue him in on his presidency and give him a break every five minute if elected?

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

I like how he is against big federal spending but has no problem in earmarking billions for his district to prop up his own political career.

Dude do you know how this goverment works?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Yeah Im sure our president doesnt know that figure on a day to day basis. You are a fucking idiot. PERIOD.

yeah, i'm also sure that your current president doesn't know that either - nor does he care. that makes them both idiots - like you

[Malicious Biz]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Dude do you know how this goverment works?

Yes, and ron paul the hypocrite has played the game well for the past 18 years

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by Malicious Biz

Yes, and ron paul the hypocrite has played the game well for the past 18 years

Ok. You think you made some kind of intelligent post about how you think things work.

question 1: who do you support?
question 2: how did they get out of using earmarks?
question 3: how did that candidate not take tax money to help its citizens instead of giving it to private interestst to do as they wish.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

of course no one noticed! he's the tinfoil hat crowd's messiah

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Funny shit. he is by far the most intelligent candidate and has proven it with ALL the work hes done to benefit this country. I love it when fat ass keyboard warriors who have NEVER done shit for their country try to tear down people who actually care about our countries future. He did fine seeing as he had no clue what would be asked, and he was ambushed with shit like comments from disgruntled employees. They took no commercial break, and so on. I cant wait to see dumb ass Gulliani on the show next. That dude has a lower IQ than Bush. And thanks for keeping my mans name in the spot light. Your guys lame attempt on this so called webmaster board will do nothing to stop his movement. If you want crooks to run the country thats fine but please remember this guys a docter and has actually served this country where the rest are a joke and could care less about your poor ass.

and so ends today's lesson

What the hell? He wants to get rid of income tax totally?

This guy is a nutjob.

[jimmy-3-way]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

and so ends today's lesson

Who are you supporting?

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

Q: "how much money would it cost to cut income tax?"

A: "a lot"

Q: "how many troops do we have i Iraq?"

A: "more than we need"


talk about being badly prepared...

[tblake]

Man this was a total HATCHET job on meet the press. What a fucking hostile interview. I would have punched that fat ass interviewer in the face!

All the questions were loaded, and it appeared he was just fishing for sound bites. Like when he asked him- Ron Paul you say you support the constitution but they you want to amend it. Like amending the constitution is unconstitutional? And he asked him the same question again, looking for him to falter.

Then he spent most of the time finding old press clippings from TWENTY f*in years ago and asking Ron Paul to explain them. Wow.

Ron Paul did get flustered over the earmarking question, and its something he needs to hammer out. It appears to be hypocritical, but he has a valid point- if the money is there, take it.

And Madolton- he did answer that question with specific numbers. He said that the federal income tax on individuals accounts for around 1 trillion dollars a year. He also said that bringing our 500,000 (approximately) troops home could save up to a trillion dollars over time, but that it wouldn't happen quickly. but he did hammer the point that it would start to save 100's of billions within a year or two.

[mikesouth]

the only person who got his ass handed to him is young for starting this thread and the people who voted for the current asshat sitting in the oval office.

If you dont like Ron Paul thats fine and dandy, if you aren't bright enugh to understand what he is saying you should probably take some advice from Mark Twain

"It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear to be a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt"

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by tblake

to be hypocritical, but he has a valid point- if the money is there, take it.

And Madolton- he did answer that question with specific numbers. He said that the federal income tax on individuals accounts for around 1 trillion dollars a year. He also said that bringing our 500,000 (approximately) troops home could save up to a trillion dollars over time, but that it wouldn't happen quickly. but he did hammer the point that it would start to save 100's of billions within a year or two.

no, he didn't. watch again - both times the interviewer had to tell him the numbers. he had no idea.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

no, he didn't. watch again - both times the interviewer had to tell him the numbers. he had no idea.

If you base your vote on the candidate not knowing every number or stat. Shoot yourself.

[MattO]

Ron Paul says he doesn't believe in Evolution. He's a fucking nutjob.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

If you base your vote on the candidate not knowing every number or stat. Shoot yourself.

dude, what are you? a twelve year old retard?

this guy wants to get rid of the IRS and the income tax.

but he has no idea how much money will be missing and how to finance that.

or to break it down for you: that's like daddy gives no more money anymore to your mummy but still wants her to buy your veggies

[Socks]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

no, he didn't. watch again - both times the interviewer had to tell him the numbers. he had no idea.

Asking him to remember a bunch of numbers is like asking your accountant to memorize your ledgers. You're supposed to be able to look at the numbers and make an informed, educated decision, not walk around all day memorizing them.

Did the interviewer know the numbers - before he researched, and wrote them down? :D C'mon.

[BV]

I don't give a shit what anybody says, I'm voting for Ron Paul. It's time we get back to basics. We just can't keep going down the same path we have been.

Anything is better than what we have now and I think it will be very interesting watching Ron Paul in office as President of the United States!

What have you got to loose?

Cant get much worse than it is now.

BV

[Socks]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

dude, what are you? a twelve year old retard?

this guy wants to get rid of the IRS and the income tax.

but he has no idea how much money will be missing and how to finance that.

or to break it down for you: that's like daddy gives no more money anymore to your mummy but still wants her to buy your veggies

Enjoy your income tax then! Because the most brilliant minds in the USA are running your government. They were chosen from the top schools for being the best at solving problems, listening to their people and leading the nation. There are clearly no people better for the job.

They know EXACTLY how much they're raping you for!

Get a clue man. The people at the top make blanket rules/ideas, then those ideas get filtered through STATISTICIANS who work out MODELS, and then those MODELS get documented and PRESENTED to the LEADERS to make a decision.

You're expecting Ron to do... All of that himself? Or are you suggesting he would do away with all those filters? He would just fire everyone, grab a hammer and RULE?

You're only making yourself look like an idiot for applying one-sided logic in effort to prove your point. Try being a little bit more moderate, and try to find a real answer rather than just playing chicken little.

[AcidMax]

What bothered me is his statement to remove the IRS and cut all that income to the government, but yet he thinks the FBI, CIA etc should still be around, he just doesn't want them to torture people. OK, how does he truly expect to keep the government running? When you go in and start saying that you want to cut the troops, the irs, etc.., you should probably have a generic idea as to how much money it costs to run the government agencies he wants to cut, how many troops are spread throughout the us. I don't think he has to know every stat for every political question, but if this is your platform you are running on it would make sense to be able to have a guesstimate like Tim Russert had on the number of troops.

IMHO that interview did very little to help his cause. I am not sure who I am voting for at this point, Ron Paul has some descent ideas., but some are just left field.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

dude, what are you? a twelve year old retard?

this guy wants to get rid of the IRS and the income tax.

but he has no idea how much money will be missing and how to finance that.

or to break it down for you: that's like daddy gives no more money anymore to your mummy but still wants her to buy your veggies

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MEDIA DRONE.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by AcidMax

I am not sure who I am voting for at this point, Ron Paul has some descent ideas., but some are just left field.

You dont think

invading countries for no reason is not from left feild?
using our soldiers as oil placeholders for monetary gain.
the middle class dissapearing while the low class grows at alarming rates.
spying on our own people.
paying more than a third of your income for health insurance that is worthless.
paying more than a third of your income in taxes just for being born.

Dude i could go on all day..

How about telling us which of the other candidates will do better and why instead of the same ol ron paul bashing.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Socks

Enjoy your income tax then! Because the most brilliant minds in the USA are running your government. They were chosen from the top schools for being the best at solving problems, listening to their people and leading the nation. There are clearly no people better for the job.

They know EXACTLY how much they're raping you for!

Get a clue man. The people at the top make blanket rules/ideas, then those ideas get filtered through STATISTICIANS who work out MODELS, and then those MODELS get documented and PRESENTED to the LEADERS to make a decision.

You're expecting Ron to do... All of that himself? Or are you suggesting he would do away with all those filters? He would just fire everyone, grab a hammer and RULE?

You're only making yourself look like an idiot for applying one-sided logic in effort to prove your point. Try being a little bit more moderate, and try to find a real answer rather than just playing chicken little.

oh man, i'm really at a loss of words here. is that how politics are done in your country? pathetic

if i was ron paul and had the idea of eliminating the income tax i would sit down and look up how much that is per year. then i would know how much money i need to get from other sources or how much i had to cut expenses. then i would think about which expenses could be cut by how much without causing too much harm etc...
all this i would do before i even announce for the first time that i would like to become president and give interviews. and you can bet that if that is a basic point in my program you could more or less ask me ANY question about it anytime of the day. cause that's what every responsible politician should do before he tries to get people voting for his ideas.

at least that's how it works in my country

[AcidMax]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

You dont think

invading countries for no reason is not from left feild?
using our soldiers as oil placeholders for monetary gain.
the middle class dissapearing while the low class grows at alarming rates.
spying on our own people.
paying more than a third of your income for health insurance that is worthless.
paying more than a third of your income in taxes just for being born.

Dude i could go on all day..

How about telling us which of the other candidates will do better and why instead of the same ol ron paul bashing.

First off lose your holier than thou attitude. No one was Ron Paul bashing. I do like the guy, but he has good and bad points. My statement was that if you are campaigning on a specific platform (no taxes, no irs, bring home the troops, government reform) there are some things you should have quick answers to and stats for your answers.

Being that I am a vet I care greatly for the troops who are fighting. Do I think we are widespread over the world, you bet, always have. Do I think we can just withdrawl everyone in a few years and all will be ok. Nope.

There is no doubt that there needs to be reform and that Bush is not the best president to ever grace the White House.

It seems that if someone uses logical thought processes instead of emotion you get upset. Sit down, relax and read what people say and discuss their opinions, don't sit there and bash everyone who believes in something different than you do.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by AcidMax

First off lose your holier than thou attitude. No one was Ron Paul bashing. I do like the guy, but he has good and bad points. My statement was that if you are campaigning on a specific platform (no taxes, no irs, bring home the troops, government reform) there are some things you should have quick answers to and stats for your answers.

Being that I am a vet I care greatly for the troops who are fighting. Do I think we are widespread over the world, you bet, always have. Do I think we can just withdrawl everyone in a few years and all will be ok. Nope.

There is no doubt that there needs to be reform and that Bush is not the best president to ever grace the White House.

It seems that if someone uses logical thought processes instead of emotion you get upset. Sit down, relax and read what people say and discuss their opinions, don't sit there and bash everyone who believes in something different than you do.

You still havent awnsered my question. Who do you think will do a better job and why?
You come in bash one small issue like he didnt have a numerical awnser so hes not worthy. LOl.

Lets here who the better choice is in your opinion and lets see if they know all the stats that are thrown at them.

[Furious_Male]

He thinks we should explore the ideas of getting rid of the IRS etc. Not just do it. Hes an interesting man. I am afraid he will scare the average sheep as sheep do not like change but it is refreshing to hear some different ideas.

As far as the interview he certainly wasn't at his best but I don't think it was that bad. Any sort of press is good for him right now.

[AcidMax]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

You still havent awnsered my question. Who do you think will do a better job and why?
You come in bash one small issue like he didnt have a numerical awnser so hes not worthy. LOl.

Lets here who the better choice is in your opinion and lets see if they know all the stats that are thrown at them.

Look a couple posts back, I believe I stated I have no idea who I would vote for. If I had a candidate I would personally vote for I would have made that statement, however in my first post I stated that I had no idea who I was voting for at this point.

Secondly even if I did, I don't think I owe you or anyone else an answer as to who my candidate would be if I did have one. This thread was about Ron Paul specifically. I don't think having answers for the platform you are running on is a small issue. If I was to say "I can cure world hunger" i would think people would expect me to be knowledgeable and have answers as to how I would do it. Just as if Ron Paul says I would bring all the troops home, you would think he would know how many troops are distributed around the world and have a better idea of how he would handle that withdrawal.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by AcidMax

Look a couple posts back, I believe I stated I have no idea who I would vote for. If I had a candidate I would personally vote for I would have made that statement, however in my first post I stated that I had no idea who I was voting for at this point.

Secondly even if I did, I don't think I owe you or anyone else an answer as to who my candidate would be if I did have one. This thread was about Ron Paul specifically. I don't think having answers for the platform you are running on is a small issue. If I was to say "I can cure world hunger" i would think people would expect me to be knowledgeable and have answers as to how I would do it. Just as if Ron Paul says I would bring all the troops home, you would think he would know how many troops are distributed around the world and have a better idea of how he would handle that withdrawal.

I believe he stated many times that he would take some of the huge amount of wasted money on foreign policy thats wastefull and not working anyways. Bring the money back to our country instead of supplying the saudies and there would be more than enough to eliminate these federal functions that only take and DO NOT GIVE. Sorry I too was a veteran and have been deployed multiple times with NATO and if you beleive that our guys are getting any of the money the other guys are saying goes there you are not living in the real world and I would have to doubt that you really served.

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by evildick

What the hell? He wants to get rid of income tax totally?

This guy is a nutjob.

In Canada, the income tax law was passed as a temporary war effort ( that is WW2 , not the Gulf war ... ).

Before that, the gov was running on the funds that it was getting from various other sources ...

... and deficit didn't exist .

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tony404

He isnt a good speaker so he comes off terrible and he is very vague about most of his plans.

It had nothing to do with his public speaking abilities. He has been in Congress how long? 18 years? If he can't speak in public by now, he never will.

The problem is the things he says he wants to do. He can't back up how he would do them. Of course, he isn't as smart as the paultards on GFY.

Originally Posted by stev0

That was hardly "getting his ass handed to him". I'm no libertarian but he's got good points on the foreign policy.

Maybe from a Canadian POV. But think about it, if the US did everything he suggests with the military and foreign policy, you guys would actually have to get your own military budget.

Originally Posted by notoldschool

Funny shit. he is by far the most intelligent candidate and has proven it with ALL the work hes done to benefit this country. I love it when fat ass keyboard warriors who have NEVER done shit for their country try to tear down people who actually care about our countries future. He did fine seeing as he had no clue what would be asked, and he was ambushed with shit like comments from disgruntled employees. They took no commercial break, and so on. I cant wait to see dumb ass Gulliani on the show next. That dude has a lower IQ than Bush. And thanks for keeping my mans name in the spot light. Your guys lame attempt on this so called webmaster board will do nothing to stop his movement. If you want crooks to run the country thats fine but please remember this guys a docter and has actually served this country where the rest are a joke and could care less about your poor ass.

I would like to congratulate you on your meteoric rise to the top as far as most irritating, uninformed poster on GFY. I have a feeling 2008 is going to be your year.

Originally Posted by tblake

Man this was a total HATCHET job on meet the press. What a fucking hostile interview. I would have punched that fat ass interviewer in the face!

Just the facts ma'am.

And Madolton- he did answer that question with specific numbers. He said that the federal income tax on individuals accounts for around 1 trillion dollars a year. He also said that bringing our 500,000 (approximately) troops home could save up to a trillion dollars over time, but that it wouldn't happen quickly. but he did hammer the point that it would start to save 100's of billions within a year or two.

He started throwing out the "trillion" number as a response to everything because he had no clue. You are aware of course that 100's of billions is only a small fraction of a trillion, right? And with no income tax . . . well . . .

By the way, you did hear him mention use fees for the highways, right? Can you imagine LA with toll roads? How many major cities have you driven in that had toll roads? How many toll roads have you been on that weren't meant as a shortcut?

Let me tell you, they suck, and for the most part, the toll roads I have been on in other states totally suck. I can't believe they are charging me to drive on them.

Then of course, there are the toll roads that are actually owned by other countries. Those are a real piece of work.

Originally Posted by Socks

Did the interviewer know the numbers - before he researched, and wrote them down? :D C'mon.

ummm, it is part of RP's platform, he should be able to rattle off those numbers in his sleep.

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

In Canada, the income tax law was passed as a temporary war effort ( that is WW2 , not the Gulf war ... ).

Before that, the gov was running on the funds that it was getting from various other sources ...

... and deficit didn't exist .

Its obvious who the uneducated are.
The same people who think welfare and food stamps are necessary. Noone to blame but themselves.

[AcidMax]

Originally Posted by notoldschool

I believe he stated many times that he would take some of the huge amount of wasted money on foreign policy thats wastefull and not working anyways. Bring the money back to our country instead of supplying the saudies and there would be more than enough to eliminate these federal functions that only take and DO NOT GIVE. Sorry I too was a veteran and have been deployed multiple times with NATO and if you beleive that our guys are getting any of the money the other guys are saying goes there you are not living in the real world and I would have to doubt that you really served.

Oh I completely agree the vets are underpaid and under-geared. When I was in, (91-95) as a 91B (Combat Medic). I was working up to 96 hours a week. It worked out to be like $1-2 an hour or some crazy shit like that. I value our troops greatly and appreciate them for everything that they do. But once again this thread was not about, you, me or any of the other candidates. This thread was about Ron Paul. The fact is he could have done a lot better job during an interview with Tim Russert on Meet the Press. As a presidential candidate they should always be prepared to answer the tough questions (that goes with any candidate) that pertain to their platform.

[Malicious Biz]

Originally Posted by MattO

Ron Paul says he doesn't believe in Evolution. He's a fucking nutjob.

Ron Paul is for getting the government out of your lives, except when it comes to Jesus. He wants government to force Jesus down everyone's throat.

Yeah that's right. Ron Paul is one of the biggest fundies in the running.

Originally Posted by Ron Paul on personal liberties

Washington shouldn't dictate to us our personal behavior. (Sep 2007)

orly?

Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer

http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

In Canada, the income tax law was passed as a temporary war effort ( that is WW2 , not the Gulf war ... ).

Before that, the gov was running on the funds that it was getting from various other sources ...

... and deficit didn't exist .

correction of typo: ww1

[directfiesta]

What makes this thread funny is that you have had that in the WH as president: