Segway /Ibill connection. - GoFuckYourself.com

will76 · 12-28-2007, 02:33 PM

So according to John I "have issues" i am 100% wrong about this and according to him all of the people with segway that worked with ibill are great people and had nothing to do with any of the bad stuff that happened.

Sorry John, I can't take "your word" for it.

I don't have any proof that any of these people did anything wrong but they all had top level positions in the company and are all now in some way involved with SegPay. Here is the connections that I have been able to find.

Officers and Directors of SegPay:

PRESIDENT: Catherine Beardsley: worked at Ibill as a VP of marketing for many years and became the CEO the last year or so before the company shut down.

VICE PRESIDENT: David Wells: worked at Ibill and was said to be a "princple". So i am guessing that means he was a partner or had some form of ownership ?

OWNER of SegPay: Chris Williams: Former Head of Ibill EU (don't know how this stands now after the recent deal with TMM)

How many former ibill employees are working for this company? Kristi Greer, how many more ? SegPay was set up right about the same time that ibill was falling apart. Several ex ibill people are running or started SegPay. Segpay's whois is privacy protected....

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Following Bender to iBill are two of his top lieutenants: Cathy Mallaney, who joins iBill as Vice President of Marketing and Todd Moran who joins iBill as Vice President of Sales. Mallaney and Moran spent eight years working alongside Bender at MCI.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...i_mark01015946
FYI Cathy Mallaney = Cathy Beardsley

Looks like a good bit of ibill's staff back then came from mci worldcom.

This is from the best of my knowledge from the information I have been able to obtain online. If I am wrong please let me know.

JD · 12-28-2007, 02:34 PM

congrats to the winners!

Rodrigo-Ibills · 12-28-2007, 02:35 PM

can i have job please?

i am best janitorial service in florida.

thanks you.

will76 · 12-28-2007, 02:35 PM

BTW i lost a lot of money in stock with WorldCom

who · 12-28-2007, 02:35 PM

Don't you mean SEGPAY ??

will76 · 12-28-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by who

Don't you mean SEGPAY ??

yes.....

DamageX · 12-28-2007, 02:43 PM

LOTS of at least mildly suspicious connections between them have previously been posted on this board. I especially enjoyed reading about the Ibill - Inteca -Toccata -SegPay connections.

who · 12-28-2007, 02:44 PM

xclusive · 12-28-2007, 02:46 PM

No offense to John but i would never use TmmSegpay considering all those connections. They can say no it's not the same all they want but it just looks like the shell game of Ibill trying to stay in Business. It doesn't look kosher to me at all.

teksonline · 12-28-2007, 02:46 PM

L-Pink · 12-28-2007, 02:50 PM

Wow, most would distance themselves from any association with failure.

chupacabra · 12-28-2007, 03:06 PM

as someone who was royally fucked over as many others were by iBill in the past, along w/ being forced into that joke of a business relationship w/ 'Etelerape' i have to stick up for Segpay somewhat here as a current user of their processing services as a well-used backup... they have never missed a payment to me nor have acted in any manner that reminds me of the hell i went through w/ iBill/GKard/Etelerape, even before the ship started going down.

i wrote off the money that iBill (or whoever) stole those years back a long time ago, would still love to get my hands on it but don't hold out any hope of that, but...

to be perfectly honest, as a Segpay customer the "merger" w/ NATS has me *way* more concerned about the foreseeable future of my relationship w/ them than the past iBill link, and i might add "might" go a long way towards explaining how multitudes of password-pairs have been harvested from my sites in recent times and released/sold into the wild (but that really belongs in another thread).

i am actually crossing my fingers that the whole merger thing does not go through somehow, as i really don't want anything to do w/ NATS nor want them to have a hand in my processing personally..

will76 · 12-28-2007, 03:07 PM

I want to be clear that I did not write the information below, that it was all obtained from: http://www.smutpeddlerblog.com/archives/00000070.htm I just want to make that clear so i don't get sued. I am just pointing to the article and asking if someone from segpay can explain this, maybe Mr. Williams can tell us what happened here.

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06/03/2005 Archived Entry: "Ibill Returns As Segpay"

Below you will see how Segpay has the same address/location as Ibill, and how the CEO of segpay (chris williams) is also the domain registrant of inteca, their "trusted 3rd party" (they promote that their payments are safe because "Segregated Payments partners with Inteca to move your money directly from the acquiring bank into a segregated account where your funds are physically held until paid out to you. This means that those funds are not being 'borrowed' to pay other clients or used in any way.")

Segway = Toccata
Toccata Ltd is a U.K. financial services company formed in 1999 to provide currency exchange products to ecommerce merchants. ( http://segpay.com/about.htm)

Address of Toccata:
TOCCATA, Inc.
2200 SW 10th St.
Deerfield Beach, FL 33442
(http://web.archive.org/web/20030618...m/frameset6.htm )

Address of Ibill:
C. iBill allows you to access to certain information about you for the limited purpose of viewing, updating, and in some instances deleting from our system any information deemed inaccurate. Any requests to access your information may be directed to: [email protected], Office of the General Counsel, Internet Billing Company, Ltd., 2200 SW 10th Street, Deerfield Beach, FL 33442-7622, Fax. 954.363.4401, and Tel. 954.363.4400 .(http://www.ibill.com/about/privacy.cfm)

Chris Williams is CEO of Toccata/segpay (http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/28681 ) and toccata.com is registered in his name. Chris Williams is also the registrant of inteca.org, now the "3rd party trustee" for ibill/segpay and inteca.org and toccata.com go to the same IP:

Toccata = Inteca (same ip address)
Tracing route to inteca.org [209.61.190.42]
Tracing route to toccata.com [209.61.190.42]

Further proof that Ibill is Toccata is available on this page where you can see that Toccata has the same address as Ibill. Ibill has not had permission to operate in Florida since September 2003.

BTW, the reason why I am posting about ibill / segpay is because i missed this stuff the first time around. I just found out a couple weeks ago that former employees of ibill are now running another 3rd party processor. This brings back flash backs and anger how something very similar happened with web800 / Digiblaze several years back. This has nothing to do with John, TMM. My questions / concerns are in regards to Segpay, prehaps someone from SegPay would like to explain.

pocketkangaroo · 12-28-2007, 03:26 PM

I've seen so many denials on this board and others about a connection. Fact is that the people who owned and run SegPay, owned and ran iBill. There is no denying that, it's in the corporate papers.

My advice would be to let people know why they shouldn't be concerned about SegPay. Stop trying to deny connections that are clear as day. Until people are reassured, I would think you'd be crazy to trust the same people with your processing that fucked you over in the past.

the Shemp · 12-28-2007, 03:55 PM

if you fail in business, you are entitled to try again ...

JFK · 12-28-2007, 04:01 PM

StuartD · 12-28-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp

if you fail in business, you are entitled to try again ...

segway.... the w and the p are on opposite ends of the keyboard

tony286 · 12-28-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp

if you fail in business, you are entitled to try again ...

In the same industry and the money owed to the industry just disappeared.You know I have great respect for you but I have to disagree with you on this one.

DamageX · 12-28-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

In the same industry and the money owed to the industry just disappeared.You know I have great respect for you but I have to disagree with you on this one.

Why would you? While his statement may not look very kosher in the eyes of this industry, he is 100% correct. As long as the people behind a failure aren't jailed, they're entitled to a new try. And the people responsible for helping them get jailed post on this board, bitching about iBill time and time again, without doing anything about it.

the Shemp · 12-28-2007, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

In the same industry and the money owed to the industry just disappeared.You know I have great respect for you but I have to disagree with you on this one.

of course its your choice to business with them or not, but (from my viewpoint as a non ibill customer) i would expect executives from a failed company to end up with a similar company...

tony286 · 12-28-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Why would you? While his statement may not look very kosher in the eyes of this industry, he is 100% correct. As long as the people behind a failure aren't jailed, they're entitled to a new try. And the people responsible for helping them get jailed post on this board, bitching about iBill time and time again, without doing anything about it.

I disagree its my right,just likes its your right to agree.If you got fucked out of money you might feel different.

tony286 · 12-28-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp

of course its your choice to business with them or not, but (from my viewpoint as a non ibill customer) i would expect executives from a failed company to end up with a similar company...

You have a good point

GregE · 12-28-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp

if you fail in business, you are entitled to try again ...

After... you pay your bills.

I'm still waiting for my ibill money. In my mind, the day I stop waiting is the day their entitlement kicks in

pangolin · 12-28-2007, 04:26 PM

I have been looking very closely at segpay as it is always handy to have another biller on board.

This snippet of info from a previous post has caught my attention as it is easy to check out whats current.

Segway = Toccata
Toccata Ltd is a U.K. financial services company formed in 1999 to provide currency exchange products to ecommerce merchants.

I have been and had a look online at companies house and it tells a different story they were Dissolved 18/12/2007 so they must have shifted the entire company to cyprus.

According to the info they were not a financial services company but Software consultancy & supply and when I checked the FSA has no record of them either and in they would have to have been registered the same as paypal and moneybookers.

So something stinks just not quite sure what yet though I know its not me.

DamageX · 12-28-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE

After... you pay your bills.

I'm still waiting for my ibill money. In my mind, the day I stop waiting is the day their entitlement kicks in

Yes, I'm sure they won't have the slightest intention of starting a new business without your entitlement... Want to stop them? Take them to court and make sure criminal charges are pressed.

pocketkangaroo · 12-28-2007, 04:28 PM

You deal with people like that and you get what you deserve. I just hope people don't come crying on the boards if they get fucked over again.

Andy Servers4Less · 12-28-2007, 04:38 PM

yeah I know some people who got raped big time when Ibill went down.

the Shemp · 12-28-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GregE

After... you pay your bills.

I'm still waiting for my ibill money. In my mind, the day I stop waiting is the day their entitlement kicks in

as i said above, im not an ibill customer, so i dont have the "emotion" factor to consider.... its not surprising to me that executives from a failed business end up in a similar industry...

PornDiscounts-R · 12-28-2007, 04:48 PM

I can only speak for my own case about the ibll/Inteca setup.
it was only pennies i lost, but i did get almost all my money from Inteca when that was setup.
I have been told that there was a big differens for eu and us guys. The setup of Inteca allowed eu based company`s to get paid as the banks would release the money to Inteca that could pay to eu only.

While the money for us was held back by the banks as they wouldent release it to ibill.
This is only said based on what happend to me back then. Nothing more, i just havent seen the pointed out in any of the threads at all. So made me wonder how many in the eu got paid and how many ( if any ) in the us got any money out?

will76 · 12-28-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

Why would you? While his statement may not look very kosher in the eyes of this industry, he is 100% correct. As long as the people behind a failure aren't jailed, they're entitled to a new try. And the people responsible for helping them get jailed post on this board, bitching about iBill time and time again, without doing anything about it.

I agree with you, but i don't know if i (personally) would want to do business with people who's motto or track record is " try, try, and try again till you get it right " when it comes to 3rd party processing.

DamageX · 12-28-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I agree with you, but i don't know if i (personally) would want to do business with people who's motto or track record is " try, try, and try again till you get it right " when it comes to 3rd party processing.

And I agree with you on that one. But, again, if the people who failed might've done so in a less-than-legal fashion it's not really THEIR fault for wanting to give it another shot, rather it's the fault of the ones who let them get away with it.

will76 · 12-28-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

bitching about iBill time and time again, without doing anything about it.

I figured when it was all said and done ibill owed me about 50K. I consulted with attornies and at the time was instructed to take their bullshit stock or whatever they were offering, they kept putting off sending that out though and it never happened. I guess the owner was the one to blame and none of the employees was involved with that or knew what was going on there.

I guess if i go by sig whore rates i am entittled to make about 150K posts about ibill bitching and then will i feel like we are even. When i lose money it never sits well with me. i wont waste more time on it, and i know i will never get it back but it sure does feel better from time to time to bitch about it. at least for me it does.

DamageX · 12-28-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I figured when it was all said and done ibill owed me about 50K. I consulted with attornies and at the time was instructed to take their bullshit stock or whatever they were offering, they kept putting off sending that out though and it never happened. I guess the owner was the one to blame and none of the employees was involved with that or knew what was going on there.

I guess if i go by sig whore rates i am entittled to make about 150K posts about ibill bitching and then will i feel like we are even. When i lose money it never sits well with me. i wont waste more time on it, and i know i will never get it back but it sure does feel better from time to time to bitch about it. at least for me it does.

Perhaps it does. But then again, that's probably the only good it will ever do. Especially IF the same guys come back as a different incarnation and ask for everyone's business again.

pocketkangaroo · 12-28-2007, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX

And I agree with you on that one. But, again, if the people who failed might've done so in a less-than-legal fashion it's not really THEIR fault for wanting to give it another shot, rather it's the fault of the ones who let them get away with it.

I think that's the purpose of the thread though. Warn others who may not know that the same people who ran iBill are running SegPay. These guys have gone out of there way to avoid any connections when it is clear that there is.

will76 · 12-28-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

I think that's the purpose of the thread though. Warn others who may not know that the same people who ran iBill are running SegPay. These guys have gone out of there way to avoid any connections when it is clear that there is.

true. I just found out for the first time a couple weeks ago. And i just found out today that the PRESIDENT and VICE PRESIDENT of segPay was the CEO and principle of ibill respectivly. And then there is the owner of segpay who worked at ibill too.

Lets say that these people are awesome and they had nothing to do with ibill going to shit and screwing people. How do we know that ? So incases like this I would error with caution and just avoid them, but that is me.

BTW, i finally get why people are posting pictures of scooters, i did a google image search for " segway".... bunch of jokers

Shoplifter · 12-28-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thebestamateur

. The setup of Inteca allowed eu based company`s to get paid as the banks would release the money to Inteca that could pay to eu only.
While the money for us was held back by the banks as they wouldent release it to ibill.

I don't think that there is any reason to believe that this was not fiction.

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp

if you fail in business, you are entitled to try again ...

They didn't just fail, they royaly fucked people over, lied to them into signing up to another scam.

If they just went bankrupt overnight, it wouldn't be so big I guess.

Doctor Dre · 12-28-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by the Shemp

of course its your choice to business with them or not, but (from my viewpoint as a non ibill customer) i would expect executives from a failed company to end up with a similar company...

Yes and it would be a damn good reason to let everybody know about this... sot hey can make their own decision.

ultimatebbwdotcom · 12-28-2007, 11:49 PM

Personally, Id avoid Segpay like the plague - maybe Im a little bitter but id like to punch any ex ibill employee square on the chin whether they were aware of what was going on at the time or not....just to feel a teeny bit better lol.

will76 · 12-29-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ultimatebbwdotcom

Personally, Id avoid Segpay like the plague - maybe Im a little bitter but id like to punch any ex ibill employee square on the chin whether they were aware of what was going on at the time or not....just to feel a teeny bit better lol.

the word on the street is that they all were unaware what was going on. I guess there was one pupet master behind the curtain who was pulling all the strings at ibill, all the employees, CEO, VP's were just stooges they didn't have a clue.

well thats the word on John's street anyway.

the thing that i find VERY hard to believe here is that Garret Bender was the CEO at ibill for most of the time and i *believe* he came back towards the end to help run the company. I read in Forbes how he was helping Galanis back in early 2004. http://www.forbes.com/2004/03/22/cz_sl_0322galanis.html

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In addition to iBill's former chief executive, Garrett Bender, the other person leading the buyers is none other than Jason Galanis

Kathy I believe was still a VP at the time and she later in 2004 became CEO.

Here is the thing i have a problem with, Cathy worked with Bender at MCI for 8 years.

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Following Bender to iBill are two of his top lieutenants: Cathy Mallaney, who joins iBill as Vice President of Marketing and Todd Moran who joins iBill as Vice President of Sales. Mallaney and Moran spent eight years working alongside Bender at MCI.

Cathy Mallaney = Cathy Beardsley. Her name changed almost the same time she switched jobs, perhaps she got married or divorced, i don't know.

So.... OBVIOUSLY Bender knew Cathy well, he worked "along side her" for 8 years and hand picked her to come over to ibill with him, where he was the CEO. He was the CEO most of the time at ibill and was there back at the end as well. You mean to tell me that he was the CEO during that time and wasn't aware of any problems and if he was aware he didn't mention anything to her, after all of the history they had together.

I find shit like that hard to believe. The crap I am being feed is that all of these people at ibill (who are now at SegPay) weren't making the decissions at ibill and they knew nothing about what was wrong, that when they said you will be repaid every penny they thought you would be, to " trust us" and we should have beleived them. They were/are good people, they would have never lied to us, etc... THEN Cathy and crew obviously must know what happened after the fact then right? If they were clueless after the shit hit the fan then they must know who was to blame for it, so why do we never see them pointing the finger at anyone ? Why don't they say it was "____" fault and they lied to us and gave us wrong info to tell webmasters.

Honestly, I think there is only a handfull of people who know 100% for sure what happened, and that is those people who use to work high up at ibill. We don't know for sure what happened but there is just too many connections for things to not "look bad" if nothing else. If i was to bet I would feel confident betting that my assumptions are right.

pocketkangaroo · 12-29-2007, 12:24 AM

Will, I don't think you have to know what happened there to make a judgement. I think the burden of proof is now on them to prove they weren't the ones that fucked people over.

Lets say they were just stooges and had nothing to do with it. Do you really want to trust a processing company that is being run by people who were so easily ripped off by some anonymous puppet master? I'm sorry, but if you're a CEO of a company and don't know what is going on, then I don't think I'd like you handling my money.

But no matter how "creative" their stories are for what happened to iBill, I just find it hard to believe they didn't know or didn't have something to do with it. These people are not stupid. You don't become CEO, VP, etc of million dollar companies like this for being naive. Reminds me of Enron, a company run by brilliant people who claimed that a few rogue accountants somehow ripped everyone off.

will76 · 12-29-2007, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Will, I don't think you have to know what happened there to make a judgement. I think the burden of proof is now on them to prove they weren't the ones that fucked people over.

Lets say they were just stooges and had nothing to do with it. Do you really want to trust a processing company that is being run by people who were so easily ripped off by some anonymous puppet master? I'm sorry, but if you're a CEO of a company and don't know what is going on, then I don't think I'd like you handling my money.

But no matter how "creative" their stories are for what happened to iBill, I just find it hard to believe they didn't know or didn't have something to do with it. These people are not stupid. You don't become CEO, VP, etc of million dollar companies like this for being naive. Reminds me of Enron, a company run by brilliant people who claimed that a few rogue accountants somehow ripped everyone off.

very good points. I guess i am just trying to explore what they are saying but like you pointed out if they are the CEO and VPS of a company and they had no idea what was going on, that doesn't play out well for them either.

It would be nice for them to try to tell their side of the story and explain it us, other than just saying " they are good people, they didn't know what was going on and they had nothing to do with it".

ultimatebbwdotcom · 12-29-2007, 12:52 AM

Agreed, both Will and PK -

No multi-million dollar company would have people in those positions that were so far out of the loop that any of the companies financial issues wouldn't have been bought to their attention - heck, it would be those people that would have been alerted before anyone simply because they may have the know how to drag the sorry ass of a company out of the doo doo.

And if they didnt figure it out, they were to dumb to be in that position in the first place.

People in those positions are the ones that get handed the golden parachutes. They know way before anyone else that its time to jump.

Thats always been the way of business, especially the bigger boys.

I wouldn't trust any of them with my lunch money.

DamageX · 12-29-2007, 12:17 PM

I believe this accidentally slipped off the first page.

F-U-Jimmy · 12-29-2007, 01:20 PM

Here's my take for what its worth.
I used Iballs for about 6 years when they used to be the biggest and the best.
When it was sold to Penthouse i started to removed them from our program as i was concerned about another program owning the main billing company i used for my affiliate information and payouts ( i made a post about this on GFY ). I had also seen payouts with Iballs start to become erratic and customer service almost stopped over night. I was tipped off by my Iballs rep about some issues she started to witness, so we sent out e-mails to all affiliates to remove their Iballs code. Most did but a few did not as they believed that Iballs was still #1. Within a 3 month period all affiliates had been switched to Epoch or CCbill except a few dozen who insisted on staying with Iballs despite my urgent warnings.
When the shit finally hit the fan we had maybe 55 rebills left on Iball's and our rep arranged for us to switch them over to CCbill. Unfortunately CCbill was not interested in switching so small a number so we lost them. Our loss was an insignificant $4,125.00. And attorneys cost to get that back would have been at least $10,000.

My point is that if a lowly sales rep new about issues with the company so early on, how on earth did higher management not know ?

This i do not believe for one second

frank7799 · 12-29-2007, 01:31 PM

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Didn´t see you tried it out in Vienna. Nice vehicle...

ladida · 12-29-2007, 01:50 PM

+1 vote on the "I don't believe for 1 sec that the CEO didn't know, or any of the staff" bullshit. No way she didn't know.

Whether segpay is okay now or not, time will tell, i wouldn't use them, but i don't operate an affiliate program either, so it's not mine to say. I've seen some big companies process with them, and i've seen them process for alot of shady stuff ccbill/epoch wouldn't process.

spacedog · 12-29-2007, 02:39 PM

Fuck it.. maybe John can fire them all & put in his own people

DamageX · 12-29-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

Fuck it.. maybe John can fire them all & put in his own people

will76 · 12-29-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

Fuck it.. maybe John can fire them all & put in his own people

hopefully it wont be the same person who was responsible for the admin passwords that got out.

who ever that was. No room for errors when it comes to billing.

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chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	as someone who was royally fucked over as many others were by iBill in the past, along w/ being forced into that joke of a business relationship w/ 'Etelerape' i have to stick up for Segpay somewhat here as a current user of their processing services as a well-used backup... they have never missed a payment to me nor have acted in any manner that reminds me of the hell i went through w/ iBill/GKard/Etelerape, even before the ship started going down. i wrote off the money that iBill (or whoever) stole those years back a long time ago, would still love to get my hands on it but don't hold out any hope of that, but... to be perfectly honest, as a Segpay customer the "merger" w/ NATS has me way more concerned about the foreseeable future of my relationship w/ them than the past iBill link, and i might add "might" go a long way towards explaining how multitudes of password-pairs have been harvested from my sites in recent times and released/sold into the wild (but that really belongs in another thread). i am actually crossing my fingers that the whole merger thing does not go through somehow, as i really don't want anything to do w/ NATS nor want them to have a hand in my processing personally.. __________________ ...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..

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12-28-2007, 02:50 PM	#11
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Wow, most would distance themselves from any association with failure.

12-28-2007, 03:26 PM	#14
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I've seen so many denials on this board and others about a connection. Fact is that the people who owned and run SegPay, owned and ran iBill. There is no denying that, it's in the corporate papers. My advice would be to let people know why they shouldn't be concerned about SegPay. Stop trying to deny connections that are clear as day. Until people are reassured, I would think you'd be crazy to trust the same people with your processing that fucked you over in the past.

12-28-2007, 03:55 PM	#15
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	if you fail in business, you are entitled to try again ... __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

12-28-2007, 04:01 PM	#16
JFK FUBAR the ORIGINATOR Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: FUBARLAND Posts: 67,374	__________________ FUBAR Webmasters - The FUBAR Times - FUBAR Webmasters Mobile - FUBARTV.XXX For promo opps contact jfk at fubarwebmasters dot com

12-28-2007, 04:26 PM	#24
pangolin Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 43	I have been looking very closely at segpay as it is always handy to have another biller on board. This snippet of info from a previous post has caught my attention as it is easy to check out whats current. Segway = Toccata Toccata Ltd is a U.K. financial services company formed in 1999 to provide currency exchange products to ecommerce merchants. I have been and had a look online at companies house and it tells a different story they were Dissolved 18/12/2007 so they must have shifted the entire company to cyprus. According to the info they were not a financial services company but Software consultancy & supply and when I checked the FSA has no record of them either and in they would have to have been registered the same as paypal and moneybookers. So something stinks just not quite sure what yet though I know its not me. __________________ ICQ 409492178

12-28-2007, 04:28 PM	#26
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	You deal with people like that and you get what you deserve. I just hope people don't come crying on the boards if they get fucked over again.

12-28-2007, 04:38 PM	#27
Andy Servers4Less Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 922	yeah I know some people who got raped big time when Ibill went down. __________________ Andy Servers4Less www.ServersForLess.com ICQ: 412-203-056 DUAL QUAD CORES W/100 Mbps UNMETERED- $799/ month!!

12-28-2007, 04:48 PM	#29
PornDiscounts-R Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,272	I can only speak for my own case about the ibll/Inteca setup. it was only pennies i lost, but i did get almost all my money from Inteca when that was setup. I have been told that there was a big differens for eu and us guys. The setup of Inteca allowed eu based company`s to get paid as the banks would release the money to Inteca that could pay to eu only. While the money for us was held back by the banks as they wouldent release it to ibill. This is only said based on what happend to me back then. Nothing more, i just havent seen the pointed out in any of the threads at all. So made me wonder how many in the eu got paid and how many ( if any ) in the us got any money out? __________________ Email# rasmus(you*know)porndiscounts.com

12-28-2007, 11:49 PM	#39
ultimatebbwdotcom Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 591	Personally, Id avoid Segpay like the plague - maybe Im a little bitter but id like to punch any ex ibill employee square on the chin whether they were aware of what was going on at the time or not....just to feel a teeny bit better lol. __________________ Ultimatebbw.com Dangerouscurvesdesign.com

12-29-2007, 12:24 AM	#41
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	Will, I don't think you have to know what happened there to make a judgement. I think the burden of proof is now on them to prove they weren't the ones that fucked people over. Lets say they were just stooges and had nothing to do with it. Do you really want to trust a processing company that is being run by people who were so easily ripped off by some anonymous puppet master? I'm sorry, but if you're a CEO of a company and don't know what is going on, then I don't think I'd like you handling my money. But no matter how "creative" their stories are for what happened to iBill, I just find it hard to believe they didn't know or didn't have something to do with it. These people are not stupid. You don't become CEO, VP, etc of million dollar companies like this for being naive. Reminds me of Enron, a company run by brilliant people who claimed that a few rogue accountants somehow ripped everyone off.

12-29-2007, 12:52 AM	#43
ultimatebbwdotcom Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 591	Agreed, both Will and PK - No multi-million dollar company would have people in those positions that were so far out of the loop that any of the companies financial issues wouldn't have been bought to their attention - heck, it would be those people that would have been alerted before anyone simply because they may have the know how to drag the sorry ass of a company out of the doo doo. And if they didnt figure it out, they were to dumb to be in that position in the first place. People in those positions are the ones that get handed the golden parachutes. They know way before anyone else that its time to jump. Thats always been the way of business, especially the bigger boys. I wouldn't trust any of them with my lunch money. __________________ Ultimatebbw.com Dangerouscurvesdesign.com

12-29-2007, 12:17 PM	#44
DamageX Marketing & Strategy Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Former nomad Posts: 14,293	I believe this accidentally slipped off the first page. __________________ Whitehat is for chumps If you don't do it, somebody else will - true story!

12-29-2007, 01:20 PM	#45
F-U-Jimmy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Visiting a city near you soon ! Posts: 6,853	Here's my take for what its worth. I used Iballs for about 6 years when they used to be the biggest and the best. When it was sold to Penthouse i started to removed them from our program as i was concerned about another program owning the main billing company i used for my affiliate information and payouts ( i made a post about this on GFY ). I had also seen payouts with Iballs start to become erratic and customer service almost stopped over night. I was tipped off by my Iballs rep about some issues she started to witness, so we sent out e-mails to all affiliates to remove their Iballs code. Most did but a few did not as they believed that Iballs was still #1. Within a 3 month period all affiliates had been switched to Epoch or CCbill except a few dozen who insisted on staying with Iballs despite my urgent warnings. When the shit finally hit the fan we had maybe 55 rebills left on Iball's and our rep arranged for us to switch them over to CCbill. Unfortunately CCbill was not interested in switching so small a number so we lost them. Our loss was an insignificant $4,125.00. And attorneys cost to get that back would have been at least $10,000. My point is that if a lowly sales rep new about issues with the company so early on, how on earth did higher management not know ? This i do not believe for one second __________________ icq. 176240424 44.years as a pornographer !!!!!!!!!!!

12-29-2007, 01:50 PM	#47
ladida Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,167	+1 vote on the "I don't believe for 1 sec that the CEO didn't know, or any of the staff" bullshit. No way she didn't know. Whether segpay is okay now or not, time will tell, i wouldn't use them, but i don't operate an affiliate program either, so it's not mine to say. I've seen some big companies process with them, and i've seen them process for alot of shady stuff ccbill/epoch wouldn't process. __________________ agentGFY at gmail.com

12-29-2007, 02:39 PM	#48
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	Fuck it.. maybe John can fire them all & put in his own people