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Ycaza · 01-10-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DatingGold

a girl turns 18 every minute.

Every, fuckin, second.

honestly if she does that and you cave you always will and she will get better at making it happen. do whats right for you, in the end the most divine thing is thine owns salvation.

D · 01-10-2008, 02:03 AM

I'm thinking the relationship has larger issues.

Sounds like you have some choices to make.

dav3 · 01-10-2008, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny B

So you start a thread, get 45 reactions, suggestions, tip and questions.

How about a reply buddy?

His gf probably found this thread and took his internet away from him.

mrwilson · 01-10-2008, 02:46 AM

Just tell her you are going with or with out her, the choice is her's
If she stays and says she leaving, help her pack, she will soon change her mind.

They always do..

mrwilson · 01-10-2008, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dav3

His gf probably found this thread and took his internet away from him.

lol if this is the case, i suggest you get yourself some adult baby clothes and be her bitch for life

Buzz · 01-10-2008, 02:56 AM

That's a business trip, isn't it?

A girl messing your business activities for fun/ego/self-affirmation/whatever won't last long.

Either make her obey or dump her.

Even if she agrees to go with you now - don't take her, I bet she'll do her best to ruin the trip and twist it up to her needs.

all above is just my assumption though.

lbc213 · 01-10-2008, 04:17 AM

Controlling women are no good.

Just go to vegas, if she is not there when you get back then so be it.

ADL Colin · 01-10-2008, 04:28 AM

How can this POSSIBLY end well?

But we could all give better advice if we knew:

1. How hot is she? (pics would help)
2. Does she like anal? (pics would help)

V_RocKs · 01-10-2008, 04:30 AM

If you don't kick her out either way, you are a pussy!

I would never put up with that kind of shit. I used to, back when I was a pussy. Now? Never. The bitch would be gone that day. I'd have a moving van come and move her somewhere else.

yumma · 01-10-2008, 04:36 AM

stupid bitch

camgirlshide · 01-10-2008, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin

How can this POSSIBLY end well?

But we could all give better advice if we knew:

1. How hot is she? (pics would help)
2. Does she like anal? (pics would help)

no pics/no anal

k0nr4d · 01-10-2008, 05:49 AM

I saw go. The most important person in the world to you should be YOU. Do you feel you will do some good networking at internext? Do you think it will help you make more money and be more successful? There are 100,000 girls just like your GF and 1,000,000 ones that are better. Put your own needs ahead of hers.

Miz_Wright · 01-10-2008, 06:32 AM

I don't know how long you and your girl have been together, but I have to say: if my partner doesn't support the needs of my career and hampers its requirements... That person isn't my patrtner anymore, unless they want to take over the role of sugar mama.

... and even then, I think I would require some sort of contractual obligation that I would be maintained in the style I was supporting myself in before my career went in the toilet for a piece of ass.

Then again, I am a hopeless romantic :P

themonk · 01-10-2008, 06:38 AM

find an other girlfriend ..
they will always find something to tell u that is over ..lol

LadyMischief · 01-10-2008, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Apparently you've not done a very good job building trust in your relationship.

Perhaps not going, and not making a big deal out of not going, would be a good start to demonstrate your priorities to her.

From there, you can work on building mutual trust so things like this aren't an issue in the future.

That is assuming, of course, she is actually a priority to you, and that you are actually trustworthy.

Best answer in the thread!

Emil · 01-10-2008, 07:14 AM

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Otter · 01-10-2008, 07:22 AM

good thing your not married

Holly · 01-10-2008, 07:27 AM

She's obviously very young.

When she matures a little she will learn to appreciate how exciting it is to be left alone and get a break from having to take care of someone.

I usually went out and bought myself something nice to celebrate whenever I was lucky enough to get my husband to go away for a few days. His credit card, of course.

shekinah · 01-10-2008, 08:25 AM

Maybe she's jealous coz you'll see a lot of beautiful ladies there.. quite a possessive gf huh!

Andy Servers4Less · 01-10-2008, 09:27 AM

To quote Jay Z:

"Money Over Broads, you got it... Push"

CDSmith · 01-10-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

Best answer in the thread!

I notice that a few ladies here are partial to BA's take on it. Sorry, I've never been a big fan of ultimatums in relationships.

"Do that and we're through"
"Go there and we're done."
"Talk to her again and it's over."

Where does it end?

In some cases it's a trust issue, but in a lot of them it's all about control, usually stemming from insecurity. No thanks. I'd rather be single than live with a controlling shrew.

If her hangup is about internext and the adult industry itself, she's probably with the wrong guy in the first place. Next she'll be telling him to give up his business.

O MARINA · 01-10-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Holly

She's obviously very young.

When she matures a little she will learn to appreciate how exciting it is to be left alone and get a break from having to take care of someone.

I usually went out and bought myself something nice to celebrate whenever I was lucky enough to get my husband to go away for a few days. His credit card, of course.

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BoyAlley · 01-10-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

In some cases it's a trust issue, but in a lot of them it's all about control, usually stemming from insecurity. No thanks.

I think you'd find that insecurities tend to subside with a relationship has a solid foundation of mutual respect and trust.

By reading the many responses to this thread, it seems very clear to me that the women involved with the various people posting here, had absolutely every reason under the sun to be untrusting and in turn insecure.

King Adam · 01-10-2008, 10:41 AM

Any gf that wants to control you like that should be set free.

baddog · 01-10-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dav3

His gf probably found this thread and took his internet away from him.

That is precisely what I was going to suggest.

BoyAlley · 01-10-2008, 10:48 AM

I would also like to point out to camgirlshide that the vast majority of the people in this thread are single and/or multiple-time divorce's.

Not exactly a pool of people to be taking life advice from.

Personally, I think the fact you posted details about your relationship on GFY of all fucking places is just another example of why your GF might be right about her trust issues.

The personal details of a relationship shouldn't be broadcast to the world, much less to thousands of pornographers. If you truly needed relationship advice, you could have gone to some close friends. Posting it to make a spectacle of your girlfriend is just downright disrespectful.

CDSmith · 01-10-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I think you'd find that insecurities tend to subside with a relationship has a solid foundation of mutual respect and trust.

By reading the many responses to this thread, it seems very clear to me that the women involved with the various people posting here, had absolutely every reason under the sun to be untrusting and in turn insecure.

Mutual respect isn't about cowtowing to ultimatums, and trust can't be forced out of someone through control. It's either there or it isn't, you can either trust the person or you can't. And there are two sides to trust... the other person being trustworthy, and you being able to trust them.

Quite often someone is completely trustworthy but their partner still cannot seem to find a way to trust them. This is the insecurity I was referring to.

The question in THIS thread is... is the problem stemming from him being untrustworthy, or is it from her having insecurities? He's perfectly willing to have her accompany him so you decide.

JUSTB · 01-10-2008, 10:49 AM

ultimatums never have happy endings

BoyAlley · 01-10-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

The question in THIS thread is... is the problem stemming from him being untrustworthy, or is it from her having insecurities? He's perfectly willing to have her accompany him so you decide.

He's posting details of his relationship on GFY which, predictably, led to dozens of pornographers bashing and insulting his girlfriend, and hundreds more reading about the spectacle.

That's at the very least, disrespectful.

You tell ME if he's trustworthy? I think this thread is a perfect example of what the problem is, and it's not her.

CDSmith · 01-10-2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

The personal details of a relationship shouldn't be broadcast to the world, much less to thousands of pornographers. If you truly needed relationship advice, you could have gone to some close friends. Posting it to make a spectacle of your girlfriend is just downright disrespectful.

If he named names I would tend to agree with you.

But he didn't. After reading this thread I have no idea who he is or his gf. This is simply a discussion from my perspective, nothing more.

Isn't that what message boards are for? Discussion?

TubeTitans_SusieQ · 01-10-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Apparently you've not done a very good job building trust in your relationship.

Perhaps not going, and not making a big deal out of not going, would be a good start to demonstrate your priorities to her.

From there, you can work on building mutual trust so things like this aren't an issue in the future.

That is assuming, of course, she is actually a priority to you, and that you are actually trustworthy.

I agree too, this isn't the only intervention you'll ever go to

AmeliaG · 01-10-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

I notice that a few ladies here are partial to BA's take on it. Sorry, I've never been a big fan of ultimatums in relationships.

"Do that and we're through"
"Go there and we're done."
"Talk to her again and it's over."

Where does it end?

In some cases it's a trust issue, but in a lot of them it's all about control, usually stemming from insecurity. No thanks. I'd rather be single than live with a controlling shrew.

If her hangup is about internext and the adult industry itself, she's probably with the wrong guy in the first place. Next she'll be telling him to give up his business.

Yeah, I'd be inclined to do something I didn't feel like doing just to not go along with an ultimatum.

To the original poster, I think AaronM's advice was right on.

BoyAlley · 01-10-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

Yeah, I'd be inclined to do something I didn't feel like doing just to not go along with an ultimatum.

Yes because spite is really healthy for relationships.

CDSmith · 01-10-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Yes because spite is really healthy for relationships.

As are ultimatums.

tranza · 01-10-2008, 11:00 AM

With your nick, I thought you were a girl..........

BoyAlley · 01-10-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

As are ultimatums.

The problem is that relationships are far more complicated than the simple black and white that people in this thread are making it out to be.

There could be a million things behind this story.

Maybe he's an alcoholic and she knows if he goes to the "convention" (aka giant non stop part with free booze), he'll get drunk off his ass and embarrass the both of them?

Maybe he has a drug problem and she doesn't want him around the crowd of coke snorters?

Maybe he's got a history of cheating and hasn't rebuilt the trust since then?

Maybe they have money issues and she thinks his priorities are fucked up?

There are a million maybes, and he's not been back, so all in all I think we're just speculating at this point.

Personally what I find funny, is that the men in this thread all immediately assumed the problem was that she is a controlling bitch, and he should dump her.

As I said before, the fact that he made a thread like this about his relationship, tends to lead me to believe the problem's with him.

baddog · 01-10-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief

Best answer in the thread!

Have to admit, you are the last one I would suspect of taking that stance.

baddog · 01-10-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL_SusieQ

I agree too, this isn't the only intervention you'll ever go to

Intervention?

Emil · 01-10-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Have to admit, you are the last one I would suspect of taking that stance.

Azoy? · 01-10-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquarius

Then so be it, dump the bitch.

Yep but not before you dump a load on her face

Then say "GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS PLACE I"M GOING TO THE INTERNEXT"

CDSmith · 01-10-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

There could be a million things behind this story.
There are a million maybes, and he's not been back, so all in all I think we're just speculating at this point.

Agreed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Personally what I find funny, is that the men in this thread all immediately assumed the problem was that she is a controlling bitch, and he should dump her.

Okay wait, didn't you yourself offer a point of view in your first post in this thread? Sure, it was different than most, but all (including you) simply went on what information the original poster gave us. That's all anyone did, even those taking the "controlling bitch" angle.

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

As I said before, the fact that he made a thread like this about his relationship, tends to lead me to believe the problem's with him.

This is an issue that has likely happened to others before him. It is a webmaster issue that others in this business might find to be of interest. It's actually a pretty good topic to discuss here.

And as I said, he didn't name names. I see no pics of her posted here. Hell, I'm surprised there aren't any "thread useless without pics of your gf" comments yet. :D

uno · 01-10-2008, 11:34 AM

thread useless without pics of your gf...

gornyhuy · 01-10-2008, 11:35 AM

Vegas Baby, Vegas!

RevengeBucks_Monica · 01-10-2008, 11:42 AM

Did you tell her that Internext was a mecca for bukkake and harem parties? Does she think you're off to party, drink, and have fun with your buddies in the biz?

Or have you told her that you are on a business trip, going to a convention packed with opportunities to network and grow your business?

If it was the first option, no wonder she doesn't want you to go and won't go with you.

If it's the second option, it sounds like she is insecure and therefore trying to control the situation to feel better.

Redmanthatcould · 01-10-2008, 11:51 AM

I think it's over if you go or don't go.

I am impressed that she had the gall to tell you that in the first place.

I'd buy a leash and give it to her with the shit she needs to take out of your pad...let her know to put it around the next guy's neck.

media · 01-10-2008, 11:57 AM

One of the things I found to be the most important in my marriage and a lesson I learned was never let anyone hold you back from something that is "Business" Though business does not have to come first, it should not be forgotten about because someone doesnt want you to take a business trip..

I wish I would have just stuck to my guns now rather than laying down to my ex when it came to me not doing certain aspects of the industry. But hey, at least I know I was a good husband still.. until she changed her mind about our marriage one day and did what SHE wanted..

mrthumbs · 01-10-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Apparently you've not done a very good job building trust in your relationship.

Perhaps not going, and not making a big deal out of not going, would be a good start to demonstrate your priorities to her.

From there, you can work on building mutual trust so things like this aren't an issue in the future.

That is assuming, of course, she is actually a priority to you, and that you are actually trustworthy.

right on

CDSmith · 01-10-2008, 12:01 PM

There's gotta be a new manlaw somewhere in all this.

Fluid · 01-10-2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Apparently you've not done a very good job building trust in your relationship.

Perhaps not going, and not making a big deal out of not going, would be a good start to demonstrate your priorities to her.

From there, you can work on building mutual trust so things like this aren't an issue in the future.

That is assuming, of course, she is actually a priority to you, and that you are actually trustworthy.

Maybe he could cut off his balls now, drop him in her purse and save the trouble of her slowly taking them from him later?

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