SextrafficPete

third party billers do nicely

don't fool yourself, from high %'s to mail lists of consumers, they have more then enough money in their pockets

$5,000 would be a waste to pay for a third party biller account. you could get 2 offshore merchants for that price, smaller %, and a damn good chargeback rate. (better then in the states)

smileygirls

hence, the list. List list list please.

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pimpdog3

word up!

Voodoo

FUCK VISA!!!!!
Let's start our own credit card!!!!
Screw the Big Business jack asses who can't seem to get their hands out of the cookie jar.

GO FUCK YOURSELF VISA!!!!!

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Voodoo

Does anyone want to strike?
Maybe boycott Visa?
Just use MC?

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SextrafficPete

"Let's start our own credit card!!!! "

$50,000,000 later ;)

SpeakEasy

Agreed, the industry is getting flooded and oversaturated as is. This will help to get the industry as a whole. It may hurt all of the small guys, but that's not necessarily a bad thing It will surely cut back on the punks that think they can jump in the biz and make a quick buck.

BVF

are you trying to tell me that YOU are a fucking pro when it comes to paysites? Yes, you run a successful program but that does NOT mean that you are a good pornographer. A statement like that coming from Brad Shaw is like White Castle trying to say "leave the burger business to the pros". You're out of your fucking mind. Your burgers taste like SHIT. You just have a lot of franchises to sell your burgers...THAT'S IT!

That's the main thing that I won't like about the new regulations. Corporate fucks with no fucking common sense providing porn and selling it in relation to volume and not quality.

What about the people who want to push their own unique niche and can't start a paysite? do you think that crap at SIC will cover those niches? Hell Muthafucking No!

Whether the fee is 750 or 7500, i'll come up with the cash because I love what I do. The business should be FILLED with small players that love what they do, not some corporate bullshit who copies any good idea that comes along, and gets the webmasters to push your crap for a short term persignup gain.

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UnseenWorld

Perhaps so, but people who get into the adult biz on a whim, for the fun of it, and not to make money, end up giving content away and spoiling things for those who have second mortgages and really need to make a go of it. Weeding out the hobbyists is not such a bad idea.

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gothweb

Help the industry?

Yeah, because what the industry needs is to be homoginized. Killing off smaller sites will mean more large sites, and the shit that feeds them... TGPs and other purely sponsor-oriented. Let's see how well the business does when there is haldf as much content and the viewer base is growing.

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SextrafficPete

BVF,

shaw knows what he is doing...

he has run paysites for like 5+ years now, and runs one of the leading content companies...

so you know, someone who has built that much, is not a corporate amateur

his personality is not liked by some, but hey, who cares if you don't get along with him, your not his boyfriend, it's business.

sweetcuties

Well said, I agree with you 110%

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Krome

What a load of fucking shit...take take take....You get all your bills paid then fuck it there are always more waiting around the corner.....Actually do I have to pay as I am based in Tonga?

BVF

McDonalds knows what they're doing also. So does that mean you're going to stop eating your mom's homemade burgers and will be satisfied with Mickey D's?

And I know that it's just "business". That's why I'm going to survive. But it's because I know how to satisfy my customers. It ain't got shit to do with being in biz 5 years or 50 years.

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Sleepy

Other than the $750.00 rape fee - this is good news.
In the past honest webmasters have always provided an umbrella for larger thieving webmasters within companies like CBBill and Ibill.

In other words.. site#1 has a .05% chargeback ratio and thieving site#2 has a 4.5% chargeback ratio. Site#2 should be closed for obvious theft and poor business practices but when you average their numbers with the legit webmasters they are still allowed to process. With the new rules, Visa will be able to see who has the high chargeback percentages and address those companies on an individual basis ( shitcan them ). Visa is just taking out the trash and as long as you run a clean show this is good news for you.

SpeakEasy

nevermind

SextrafficPete

bvf,

it sounds like you have something personal with shaw, and are fueling your arguement with him from that.

being in business longer, gives you more expierence. your customers may mean the world to you, good for you, but by slamming shaw that he isn't a "pornographer" is kind of out of place.

he started up with 1 site, just like you did i am sure, ended up with 2 sites then using ctc. and he has built from that.

so what would you consider a pornographer then?

he started out just like you have ;)

BradShaw

BVF, yes I am a pro when it comes to the paysite business. I have been doing this over 5 years.

I used to be a pro at search engines, free sites, etc. But these days I am only good from the time a surfer gets to the front page of my paysite.

In this business NOTHING substitutes experience. I see programs opening every day that I would never send traffic to. Heck, I think even a few weeks ago I saw one open and close the same day! Stick with the pros in this business, not newbie paysite owners who throw up a partnership program.

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BTW, I could care a less about being a pornographer. I am a businessman and I operate my business as a business.

I only wish everyone in this business took business seriously. Nothing annoys more more than kids who hang out trying to get laid, cop a feel, etc. They should go to the AVN fan shows, not webmaster conventions.

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heymatty

I just spoke to ccbill, apparently foreign webmasters are going need to set up a US based account to receive the money into.

Its going to make tax issues a nightmare.

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BVF

I don't know brad shaw nor do I give a damn about him or anybody else. So there isn't anything personal. I am only directing my comments to shaw due to his arrogant comments made earlier in this thread. Other than that, the name Brad shaw has never passed over my keyboard.

And if he started with one site just like everybody else, he should be the FIRST to understand the importance of new talent coming in to the biz. I agree that most of the newbies are ignorant assholes but to say that someone who can't afford 750 doesn't need to be in the biz is an asshole. He didn't need 750 to start his first site.

The point is once you make it, don't sit up on your high horse and say that others don't have the right to make it because they don't have the initial start up capital. and that's ESPECIALLY when you didn't have to do it yourself and you started your biz during the gold rush.

Non-imaginative muthafuckas can't make it in this biz these days. That's a FACT.

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Voodoo

Ok... So how do I make money off of this??????

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cherrylula

This industry was built on "hobbyists" from what I have gathered.

This really sucks for the honest amateur sites out there. I don't care what anyone says or claims about "running a paysite."

There are guys who would much rather spend $40 a month to see 500 pics and no videos of one specific girl than $15 a month to access a corporate owned mega site, or the likes. And be quite satisfied. Fuck visa.

Maybe Ebay should charge its sellers $500 registration too, even if they just have a couple things they want to sell.

salsbury

easy. buy up the sites that are going out of business at "fire sale" prices.

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Voodoo

Nice!

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Voodoo

Hey gothweb....


I'll buy all of your sites for $100.00. Okay?

Let me know.

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BJ

any industry that goes through unprecedented growth, eventually consolidates. It happens over and over again and unfortunately only the biggest players will survive.

BVF

I mean look at radio these days. I'm sick and tired of hearing the same 25-40 songs on the radio. There's talent WAY BETTER than what is out there that isn't being heard because of the corporates choking it off.

I'm going to be one of the people who benefits from these regulations. So I'm not complaining like that. But I'm not going to act like I'm the shit and that nobody with a new idea should get a shot in the biz.

Competition fuels innovation. After this, the players who remain will become even more complacent. And this means that the porn will be MORE BLAND, there will be MORE CHARGEBACKS, and there will be LESS MONEY being made by affiliates.

Either way, I'll be relaxing and I'll still be making money. I just feel sorry for the others.

And I have nothing against Brad Shaw because I have never had any dealings with him...

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49thParallel

This is sad news indeed...over the past few weeks, on my crusade to find paysites that offered honesty in advertising and overall integrity, I found it was the small independent sites that really shine...Virtually all of the bigger names rely on confusing terms...small print..smoke and mirror trials and other boiler room scams... The adult industry just took another giant thrust forward into the garbage.

The thing I find amusing is all of the big names that think they are the "real" business men that "built" their sites through hard work. About 3 weeks ago, I pulled all links to any external paysites..over 3 days, I set up my own paysite with no trials...just honest and reasonable monthly rates...I know make about 25% of what I did promoting others sites. Which currently puts me down to about $3,000 a month. But my real point is, if I used the same misleading terms that the big boys do, I could have grown my site to my previous level in only 3 days. (Granted, with my search engine, gallery, avs traffic, I receive over 100,000 visitors a day..so I already had steady traffic to send to my sites)

But I wander from the point...anyone can compete in this business if they are willing to lie & cheat...it's sad that the smaller harder working honest players are the ones that will be hurt by this decision by VISA.

P.S. If anyone wants to argue that the business is built on milseading the consumer...look at the announcement sent out by Flashcash yesterday..."
A NEW RULE REGARDING ANY AND ALL TRIAL PROGRAMS.
NEVER STATE HOW LONG ANY OF OUR TRIALS LAST TO YOUR SURFERS."

EscortBiz

Spoke to a guy a CCBill he said MasterCard might follow but who cares

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salsbury

please..

anyone with a new idea can still get in to the biz. they just need to partner up with someone already in the biz. it's better that way anyways - the newbie will benefit from the partner's experience, the partner will benefit from the newbie's idea if it is done right.

this won't stop innovation.

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Krome

All that will happen then is ccbill will lose massive amounts of clients. ..as we start switching over to the dutch processors.

cafeaulait

Facts: (Not just my opinions or hearsay)

- VISA is separated into several very seperate world regions.

- VISA USA has opted-in to the new regulations listed above.

- Several of the VISA regions have NOT opted in to these new regulations so they do NOT have to comply to the regulations above.

- If your 3rd party payment processor is based in the USA and continues to use VISA USA for its transaction processing you WILL have to comply with the regulations listed above.

- If your payment processor moves (or is already) offshore, you will NOT have to comply with ANY of the regulations listed above and things remain as they were.

- SOLUTION - SWITCH to an non-VISA USA based processor TODAY.

- Only one of the big five processors has made this change and they where NOT involved in today's JOINT statement.

playa

BVF, just handle your business, Brad made a general comment,
don't let it get you worked up

[H]

Time to play the game or be voted off the island.

The strong will survive. The weak will be eliminated. And there's no room for boy scouts.

playa

if anyone needs help setting a US based business
hit me up and i'll see what i can do

angelsofporn

Any one selling your paysites hit me up..
I dont want your content just the domains
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Honeyslut

Glob bill has hired an attorney and is looking into off shore so there must be some lead way somewhere..

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Sleepy

Who cant afford $750.00 ? No big deal.
I mean it sucks to have to pay anything at all but it's not exactly a huge sum.

[H]

Today it's $750. Tomorrow it's $7500. Next week they start evaluating your credit rating and prequalifying you. Next month you need merchant status approval from 3 separate banks. And next year?

The era of the *mom and pop* porno shop is ending.

pimpdog3

you are all going to burn in hell!

PD4L

UnseenWorld

Surfers found sites BEFORE TGP's came along. They did so through search engines and review sites (like Jane's Guide). That kind of traffic is gold, and you don't have to give away (and devalue) content in order to get it.

There is nothing wrong with having "a small site," but a site that doesn't really even care if it makes money (and therefor isn't ready to risk anything because it doesn't have to) is not good for the industry.

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Sleepy

Yeah, I know what ya mean.
Im more worried they will become the deciding factor as far as what is acceptable. My sites should NOT have any obscenity problems but I hate censorship in all forms.

Pleasurepays

anyone ever notice the desparity between objections to everything and not understanding the issues.

no one here has talked about WHY it is happening.

just that they are against it.

the conspiracy theories start running wild about how everyone wants to fuck you, take your money, rip you off etc.

raising the barrier to entry in a business that traditionaly not had a low or non existent barrier to entry (free host, free content etc) is good for the overal health of the industry. that is what Brad is saying (though he tends to use more inflamatory language when making his points).

people did not care about any processing issues when it was not their problem. now it is their problem so it must be about some greedy conspiracy by credit card companies to lock themselves out of a billion dollar industry???? that seems a little absurd.

Visa was clear for years that things were going to get tighter and tighter. unless you live under a rock, or you just started stealing content to post on a freehost yesterday, you had to have known that. they have spoke out many times about how much money fraud and chargebacks cost them.

crisis = opportunity for true business people
crisis = death for people who were never businessmen to begin with.

this is your chance to innovate, to be creative, to be better and capitalize on a changing situation that few will adapt to.

Hats off to Hooper for recognizing that right away and offering to start cashing you guys out. Thats why he is a millionaire. he did his homework, he understood the situation, now he is going to start capitalizing on everyones bullshit gloom and doom, conspiracy theories about the end of the world.

Voodoo

What?

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UnseenWorld

The United States was built on slavery. So what? The first thing you need to know about this industry more than any other is that "times change." Frequently.

Also, you've raised a good question about the sexually oriented stuff that's sold on eBay.

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Pleasurepays

jesus.. have you people ever heard of SUPPLY AND DEMAND???

Visa cannot control you. They can only control Visa. They are responding to their own problems, concerns and financial realities... not trying to fuck you and read your brain waves.

Porn is a multi-billion dollar business in the US alone. i dont think Visas company policies is going to be the end of porn.

[H]

We're all fuckin doomed.

Voodoo

Who cares.... The sun is going to explode in 6 years anyways... Let's get everyone together, and have a huge orgy!!!!

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