My theory on Education - GoFuckYourself.com

DivaShane · 01-24-2008, 03:29 PM

The more I learn the more I realize that what is truly at the bottom of our troubles in this country is our educational system. You can't make good decisions later in life if you don't have a solid education.
I also think that there are several things that should be taught in schools that are not. Things like critical thinking, risk assessment and logical thinking. These are skills that a person needs to get through their lives! With out them you could say that people only live half the life they could have had.

It's a shame that all schools are not created equally. I talk to people now about high school and it seems like they were from another planet. I went to a suburban school where all my friends went to the "big city" school. We had better teachers, buildings, academic achievement, and fewer drop outs. Of course it all comes down to my little suburb was willing to pump far more money into the school than the "big city".
Now, not to sounds like my 11 year old, but thats not fair!
It's not that your are turning out a bunch of potato heads (maybe not all kids are potato heads but an alarming percentage are) but you are also unleashing a whole new generation of adults who don't know left from right. Seriously...
So is it just me?

The Heron · 01-24-2008, 05:16 PM

Of course our education system sucks, it's run by morons!

Then again, did you have any finance classes? No, save that for college because obviously kids in hs don't have money and they never will...

brandonstills · 01-25-2008, 01:05 AM

"I never let school interfere with my education." - Mark Twain

MetaMan · 01-25-2008, 01:12 AM

They should force you to learn a trade before graduating.

stop focusing on bullshit math, the jews, science you will never use,

teach kids real life skills, if you need extra math or science you will learn it in college.

this way you at least leave school with SOMETHING that you can fall back on.

DivaShane · 01-25-2008, 10:23 AM

Stop focusing on science? Your kidding me right? It's that kind of thinking that has allowed us to fall so far behind when it comes to scientific advancements. There is a reason that there is (or is supposed to be) required classes. If you have no knowledge of basic science how in the hell can you make a thoughtful decision regarding things like stem cell research?

MetaMan · 01-25-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DivaShane

Stop focusing on science? Your kidding me right? It's that kind of thinking that has allowed us to fall so far behind when it comes to scientific advancements. There is a reason that there is (or is supposed to be) required classes. If you have no knowledge of basic science how in the hell can you make a thoughtful decision regarding things like stem cell research?

there is only a handful of gifted students who are going to be using science for stem cell research. have special programs for those students.

what the hell are the majority of the students going to do with advanced biology? nothing, dropout, work at mcdonalds, sell drugs or live on welfare. great solutions. you see i live in a REAL WORLD.

here you talk about equality in schools then you expect schools to somehow to be teaching kids in the ghetto stem cell research? come on now, i love how some of you people live in a fairytale world how we have the resources to make everyone doctors, guess what it is not happening.

i love how you totally missed my point and quoted a single piece.

DivaShane · 01-25-2008, 10:46 AM

For one I never said teach them stem cell research. I said they need the basic science classes they are supposed to be teaching so they have at least a basic understanding of what's really going on with things like stem cell research and cloning.
I got your point about teaching a trade and I don't disagree with it. What I have a problem is that your post came off as if you think that kids shouldn't bother to learn advanced math or sciences. That I think is a shame. If those classes aren't taught in schools where will our scientists come from, some other country??
My whole point is that the schools should be equal. I should be able to get the same education in Beverly Hills that they do in a ghetto. Education isn't a right in the country, its a requirement. If you want to talk about how you fund it, fine cut some of the fat off the defense budget that ought to pay for it.

MetaMan · 01-25-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DivaShane

For one I never said teach them stem cell research. I said they need the basic science classes they are supposed to be teaching so they have at least a basic understanding of what's really going on with things like stem cell research and cloning.
I got your point about teaching a trade and I don't disagree with it. What I have a problem is that your post came off as if you think that kids shouldn't bother to learn advanced math or sciences. That I think is a shame. If those classes aren't taught in schools where will our scientists come from, some other country??
My whole point is that the schools should be equal. I should be able to get the same education in Beverly Hills that they do in a ghetto. Education isn't a right in the country, its a requirement. If you want to talk about how you fund it, fine cut some of the fat off the defense budget that ought to pay for it.

i never said dont teach it i said cut the bullshit out of it, teach the basics and teach it compared to real life, i dont remember a textbook ever teaching me anything after probably grade 7.

learn it in university or set up advanced courses for gifted students,
teaching them basic textbook crap also holds back students who are gifted.

i dont live in america but education is a problem everywhere. i personally see the trades option as best, education is supposed to be about giving people options for the future, teaching me something that 95% of students will also not use is not going to do that.

i know sooo many people who left high school without learning a single thing and that includes my friends who are finished university.

shekinah · 01-25-2008, 11:14 AM

The only important thing that education gives us is that simple-white-paper called diploma that makes us look educated when facing other people when getting a job.

sniperwolf · 01-25-2008, 11:41 AM

So true that teachings varies from region to region. It always depends on the teacher's values. Though they may have the same curriculum as the schools use to, it always boils down to how teachers teach it to their students.

BlackCrayon · 01-25-2008, 11:57 AM

The education system sucks, no doubt about it but at the same time there are more people with secondary education than ever before. Just a couple generations ago it was rare to go beyond high school, many never even completed high school.

D · 01-25-2008, 11:58 AM

Education begins with getting the student interested in being educated, imho.

Learning things is a mental and perhaps even spiritual journey of the student. It's supposed to transcend mundane vocational tasks and give the individual a heightened sense of enlightenment... which can be applied to any number of tasks in life.

If the student isn't receiving it in such a fashion, the experience is lessened, I think.

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 11:59 AM

One of the most educational things you can read about education.

Deschooling Society by Ivan Illich

http://www.preservenet.com/theory/Il...ing/intro.html

L-Pink · 01-25-2008, 12:01 PM

How about teaching how to cook your own healthy meals and how to balance a checkbook.

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 12:05 PM

If you think "creating equal schools" will help you miss the point entirely.

The STUDENTS are what is not equal, the facility has little to do with it.

You people really should take the time and read some REAL THEORY on the subject.

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By definition, children are pupils. The demand for the milieu of childhood creates an unlimited market for accredited teachers. School is an institution built on the axiom that learning is the result of teaching. And institutional wisdom continues to accept this axiom, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

We have all learned most of what we know outside school. Pupils do most of their learning without, and often despite, their teachers. Most tragically, the majority of men are taught their lesson by schools, even though they never go to school.

Everyone learns how to live outside school. We learn to speak, to think, to love, to feel, to play, to curse, to politick, and to work

http://www.preservenet.com/theory/Il...ing/chap2.html

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 12:07 PM

I am for homeschooling and do not support public education etc...

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Children learn in school. Children can be taught only in school. I think these unexamined premises deserve serious questioning. We have grown accustomed to children. We have decided that they should go to school, do as they are told, and have neither income nor families of their own. We expect them to know their place and behave like children. We remember, whether nostalgically or bitterly, a time when we were children, too. We are expected to tolerate the childish behavior of children. Man-kind, for us, is a species both afflicted and blessed with the task of caring for children. We forget, however, that our present concept of "childhood" developed only recently in Western Europe and more recently still in the Americas.*

01-24-2008, 03:29 PM	#1
DivaShane Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas - Land of Retards Posts: 370	My theory on Education The more I learn the more I realize that what is truly at the bottom of our troubles in this country is our educational system. You can't make good decisions later in life if you don't have a solid education. I also think that there are several things that should be taught in schools that are not. Things like critical thinking, risk assessment and logical thinking. These are skills that a person needs to get through their lives! With out them you could say that people only live half the life they could have had. It's a shame that all schools are not created equally. I talk to people now about high school and it seems like they were from another planet. I went to a suburban school where all my friends went to the "big city" school. We had better teachers, buildings, academic achievement, and fewer drop outs. Of course it all comes down to my little suburb was willing to pump far more money into the school than the "big city". Now, not to sounds like my 11 year old, but thats not fair! It's not that your are turning out a bunch of potato heads (maybe not all kids are potato heads but an alarming percentage are) but you are also unleashing a whole new generation of adults who don't know left from right. Seriously... So is it just me? __________________ Shane Webmaster Wednesday - Internet Radio For Webmasters

01-25-2008, 01:05 AM	#3
brandonstills Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chatsworth, CA Posts: 1,964	"I never let school interfere with my education." - Mark Twain __________________ Brandon Stills Industry and programming veteran [email protected] \| skype: brandonstills \| ICQ #495-171-318

01-25-2008, 10:23 AM	#5
DivaShane Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas - Land of Retards Posts: 370	Stop focusing on science? Your kidding me right? It's that kind of thinking that has allowed us to fall so far behind when it comes to scientific advancements. There is a reason that there is (or is supposed to be) required classes. If you have no knowledge of basic science how in the hell can you make a thoughtful decision regarding things like stem cell research? __________________ Shane Webmaster Wednesday - Internet Radio For Webmasters

01-25-2008, 10:46 AM	#7
DivaShane Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kansas - Land of Retards Posts: 370	For one I never said teach them stem cell research. I said they need the basic science classes they are supposed to be teaching so they have at least a basic understanding of what's really going on with things like stem cell research and cloning. I got your point about teaching a trade and I don't disagree with it. What I have a problem is that your post came off as if you think that kids shouldn't bother to learn advanced math or sciences. That I think is a shame. If those classes aren't taught in schools where will our scientists come from, some other country?? My whole point is that the schools should be equal. I should be able to get the same education in Beverly Hills that they do in a ghetto. Education isn't a right in the country, its a requirement. If you want to talk about how you fund it, fine cut some of the fat off the defense budget that ought to pay for it. __________________ Shane Webmaster Wednesday - Internet Radio For Webmasters

01-25-2008, 11:14 AM	#9
shekinah Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8,452	The only important thing that education gives us is that simple-white-paper called diploma that makes us look educated when facing other people when getting a job. __________________ [Web Design \| Development \| Programming \| Content Writing ] ICQ: 238-890-469

01-24-2008, 05:16 PM	#2
The Heron Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,487	Of course our education system sucks, it's run by morons! Then again, did you have any finance classes? No, save that for college because obviously kids in hs don't have money and they never will...

01-25-2008, 01:12 AM	#4
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	They should force you to learn a trade before graduating. stop focusing on bullshit math, the jews, science you will never use, teach kids real life skills, if you need extra math or science you will learn it in college. this way you at least leave school with SOMETHING that you can fall back on.

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sniperwolf Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 17,743	So true that teachings varies from region to region. It always depends on the teacher's values. Though they may have the same curriculum as the schools use to, it always boils down to how teachers teach it to their students. __________________ ~Accepting design works~

01-25-2008, 11:57 AM	#11
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	The education system sucks, no doubt about it but at the same time there are more people with secondary education than ever before. Just a couple generations ago it was rare to go beyond high school, many never even completed high school. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day.. Last edited by BlackCrayon; 01-25-2008 at 11:58 AM..

01-25-2008, 11:58 AM	#12
D Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Valley Posts: 7,412	Education begins with getting the student interested in being educated, imho. Learning things is a mental and perhaps even spiritual journey of the student. It's supposed to transcend mundane vocational tasks and give the individual a heightened sense of enlightenment... which can be applied to any number of tasks in life. If the student isn't receiving it in such a fashion, the experience is lessened, I think. __________________ -D. ICQ: 202-96-31

01-25-2008, 11:59 AM	#13
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	One of the most educational things you can read about education. Deschooling Society by Ivan Illich http://www.preservenet.com/theory/Il...ing/intro.html __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

01-25-2008, 12:01 PM	#14
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	How about teaching how to cook your own healthy meals and how to balance a checkbook.