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fuzzylogic · 01-24-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cj_purve

cloned milk & meat? oh fucking hell yuck.

Its funny that 'protein' is always peoples first question - that part is easy as anything, its all the little vitamins and stuff I never knew our bodies needed that is the challenge. I am also gluten and dairy intollerant so I am having an interesting time learning about my insides!!!!!

i have gluten problems as well. for the past several months i have slowly switched my diet to exclude meat, dairy and wheat.
it's quite a challenge to eat, but i feel great.

WarChild · 01-24-2008, 11:37 PM

Yes of course you can get proteins without eating meat. There's a reason, however, that _most_ vegetarians and especially vegans are not very muscular, even though they may be trim.

All proteins are not created equal. I get low fat proteins from lean red meat, fishes, egg white, chicken, turkey, whey, fat free milk, black beans, etc. The mixture is important for strong muscle growth. Vegetable proteins tend to be the least useful in muscle production.

I don't really buy the "more healthy" aspects necessarily, either. Yes, vegetarians and vegans tend to be slimmer, however, you can eat meat products and still keep your fat intake low. I eat red meat, I also train from 3-5 hours a day 6 days a week including a 12km run every morning. How are you going to tell me the average vegetraian is "more healthy" than me?

fuzzylogic · 01-24-2008, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Porn Farmer

Lots of dangers with Soy products as well:

* High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking, sprouting and long, slow cooking. High phytate diets have caused growth problems in children.
* Trypsin inhibitors in soy interfere with protein digestion and may cause pancreatic disorders. In test animals soy containing trypsin inhibitors caused stunted growth.
* Soy phytoestrogens disrupt endocrine function and have the potential to cause infertility and to promote breast cancer in adult women.
* Soy phytoestrogens are potent antithyroid agents that cause hypothyroidism and may cause thyroid cancer. In infants, consumption of soy formula has been linked to autoimmune thyroid disease.
* Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually increase the body's requirement for B12.
* Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.
* Fragile proteins are denatured during high temperature processing to make soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein.
* Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.
* Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin, is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods.
* Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

one thing i learned about desert survival (i like to hike) is to never trust a legume.

NoComments · 01-24-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

Serge i know you are used to giving commands like "sit, speak and rollover" and that is why you and cherrylula get along so well.

But i am sorry just because you tell me to jump i do not, put a penny on a trampoline full of kids and how long would you jump for?

Do YOU spit or swallow.
Don't be shy, we care, we really do.

MetaMan · 01-24-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NoComments

Do YOU spit or swallow.
Don't be shy, we care, we really do.

When trash like you is around of course i spit.

cj_purve · 01-25-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Yes of course you can get proteins without eating meat. There's a reason, however, that _most_ vegetarians and especially vegans are not very muscular, even though they may be trim.

All proteins are not created equal. I get low fat proteins from lean red meat, fishes, egg white, chicken, turkey, whey, fat free milk, black beans, etc. The mixture is important for strong muscle growth. Vegetable proteins tend to be the least useful in muscle production.

I don't really buy the "more healthy" aspects necessarily, either. Yes, vegetarians and vegans tend to be slimmer, however, you can eat meat products and still keep your fat intake low. I eat red meat, I also train from 3-5 hours a day 6 days a week including a 12km run every morning. How are you going to tell me the average vegetraian is "more healthy" than me?

How MUCH red meat do you eat?
From the 2nd paragraph it doesn't sound like you are someone who sits down to a half a kilo of meat and some potato's with nothing else ... but will you be able to keep that training regime up for the rest of your life? Probably not ... your body will probably change and you'll have to change your habits with it. Vegetable proteins may not help you build up your muscles, but the vitamins they contain will help prevent the damage you are doing through excessive exercise and the fibre's will help move all that protein through your insides to prevent it sticking around and causing cancer.

But having lots of muscles doesn't make one healthy either ... I think comparing poo is more effective than comparing muscle mass where the 'health' test is concerned! LOL

Bottom line though is what the hell would I know about your body and your health?! We're all just doing what feels best for our own bodies ...

WarChild · 01-25-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cj_purve

How MUCH red meat do you eat?
From the 2nd paragraph it doesn't sound like you are someone who sits down to a half a kilo of meat and some potato's with nothing else ... but will you be able to keep that training regime up for the rest of your life? Probably not ... your body will probably change and you'll have to change your habits with it. Vegetable proteins may not help you build up your muscles, but the vitamins they contain will help prevent the damage you are doing through excessive exercise and the fibre's will help move all that protein through your insides to prevent it sticking around and causing cancer.

But having lots of muscles doesn't make one healthy either ... I think comparing poo is more effective than comparing muscle mass where the 'health' test is concerned! LOL

Bottom line though is what the hell would I know about your body and your health?! We're all just doing what feels best for our own bodies ...

I probably eat an 8-10 portion of red meat maybe 3-4 times a week for dinner. The rest split between salmon and chicken.

Protein doesn't stick around anywhere, because I drink a ton of water and do a lot of cardio exercise. My muscles need a lot of fuel for repair, and that's where the proteins go.

I do eat a lot of potatoes, without butter or crap of course, just plain baked potatoes because they're a complex carbohyrdate with a low glycemic value.

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cj_purve

cloned milk & meat? oh fucking hell yuck.

Word is, it is already in the supply. I have read quotes from people who do cloning of animals and cloned animals HAVE in fact been processed and made into meat and served.

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Three years after the Food and Drug Administration first hinted that it might permit the sale of milk and meat from cloned animals, prompting public reactions that ranged from curiosity to disgust, the agency is poised to endorse marketing of the mass-produced animals for public consumption.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...601337_pf.html

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Sorry for all the questions but aside from the personal reasons I've recently started an animal rights website with a friend who works with PETA and am very curious what leads people to their choices. I am not personally keen on being vegan or even vegetarian yet but had already started cutting out most of these things over the last 5 years for health reasons.

Funny thing is, I have always somewhat been animal rights, however I always suffered the same hypocritical day-to-day living that stated otherwise. You can't be for "animal rights" and then eat them everyday. You cant be " a dog or cat" person, and then eat cows.

Abe Lincoln said that basically you cant be for "human rights" and not "animal rights" to be in support of both brings humans back to its whole.

"I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being." - Abe Lincoln

Blacks were freed by a person who believed in animal rights.

I believe that like Albert Einstein in his final years, that man must become vegetarian to reach a higher plane of existence. It takes strength and courage, and discipline to be veg. Einstein realized it, and so did Abe Lincoln, and so do I.

I rather put myself in that category than with Ted Nugent.

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 07:13 AM

Ill back up my Einstein comment with a quote:

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"Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty."

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
Albert Einstein, physicist, Nobel Prize 1921

PunchBunny Laura · 01-25-2008, 07:13 AM

Thats hilarous...

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 07:16 AM

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"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."
Thomas Edison, inventor

"I cannot fish without falling a little in self-respect...always when I have done I feel it would have been better if I had not fished."
Henry David Thoreau, author

"You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity."
Ralph Waldo Emerson, essayist

"The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of animals as they now look on the murder of men."
Leonardo da Vinci, artist and scientist

I agree with them all, and have lived a life of hypocrisy that lead me to change my life to match my beliefs.

NoComments · 01-25-2008, 07:21 AM

...and I still eat fish every day if I can help it.

Fletch, what's wrong with eating fish?

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NoComments

...and I still eat fish every day if I can help it.

Fletch, what's wrong with eating fish?

For you, nothing. nothing is wrong with eating anything if you want to. I am not here to cast that sort of judgement on anyone. However, whats in the wter, is in the fish, have you looked at our pretty oil-free pollution-free oceans anytime lately? Mercury?

For me personally, I would rather not have things on my plate that were once alive, with a beating heart, with blood flowing through them.

Its me, no one else who has to look at my plate of food, or rest my head after when I go to sleep.

NoComments · 01-25-2008, 11:44 AM

Fletch, have you checked the quality of the air lately!?

Breathing is as dangerous as eating fish and...
"Life is VERY dangerous by itself, we all know how it ends"
;)

RyuLion · 01-25-2008, 12:00 PM

another question for Vegans:
Are most Vegas also Hippies? or dress like them? and are you mostly spiritual?

Peaches · 01-25-2008, 12:08 PM

I've been trying to keep an eye on what kinds of meats I eat. Thankfully ATL is a big city and there are places you can buy non-antibiotic chicken, beef, and pork. Most of the fish I eat here is no more than 1 mile from where it was caught

I'm a BIG milk drinker and having a history of osteoporosis, I plan on staying that way. If I'm around a TJs I'll buy their organic skim, but otherwise usually the local skim.

My grandfather "retired" from owning a large snack food industry and buying a cattle farm so we've really been eating junk forever. Everyone who dies a natural death has been well into their 80's or 90's and there has never been any cancer on either side of the family. My maternal uncle had a heart attack at 45 but he was a VERY heavy smoker and beer drinker. He's stopped both, that was 20 years ago and he's fine now. Plays golf every day too.

My blood pressure is so low that when it was even slightly elevated my stepmother pointed out in the ER that they needed to really start moving because that just wasn't normal for me - she was 100% correct.

I think you should pick the lifestyle YOU like and live it. If you like meat, eat it. Sometimes nothing says "YUM" like being hosed off after pigging out at a BBQ

If you're a vegan or vegetarian, more power to you.

My sister has been a vegetarian since she was five. Right now she's in the middle of a "raw fast" where she can only eat raw or lightly steamed foods. What amazed me was that the other night she had two HUGE plates of beets, turnips, kale, asparagus, and some sort of lemon sauce which is the only seasoning she can use. Within 20 minutes she was hungry again. My Thai shrimp w/rice kept me full until the next AM

Brad Gosse · 01-25-2008, 01:50 PM

I'm Vegan and I swallow ;)

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cj_purve

I wish this thread was a little more serious, there's some good info in it!

Fletch, isn't that just vitamin B, not B12? There's plenty of sources of B vitamins, but not specifically B12.

Okay I have been reading about Vitamin B all morning basically... what I have found is this. No animal can "create" it - nor plants. B12 cannot be made by plants or by animals. It originates in the intestines of animals, it is a bacteria. HUman feces has vitamin B in it. Vitamin B does not come "from meat" it is preent in the intestines of animals when killed. People who say the only source for Vitamin B is eating animal flesh are wrong.

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B12 cannot be made by plants or by animals. It is thought that only bacteria (eubacteria, archaebacteria) manufacture the vitamin. The B12 in animal products is derived from bacterial B12 sources.

http://www.vitamins-supplements.org/...12-sources.php

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In nature, B12 is solely produced by bacteria found in animals (including humans), so that dirt could actually be considered a natural source of B12. Vitamin B12 is made by bacteria and fungi, but not by yeasts or higher plants. Friendly bacteria reside in large quantities in the gastrointestinal tract of animals and humans. The richest dietary sources of vitamin B12 are liver, especially lamb's liver, and kidneys.

Human faeces can contain significant B12. A study has shown that a group of Iranian vegans obtained adequate B12 from unwashed vegetables which had been fertilised with human manure. Faecal contamination of vegetables and other plant foods can make a significant contribution to dietary needs, particularly in areas where hygiene standards may be low. This may be responsible for the lack of aneamia due to B12 deficiency in vegan communities in developing countries.

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/b12.html

So,... onto daily values.

The DV you should take in of Vitamin B12 is 6mcg - I have read everything from 2.5mcg to 6.0 mcg

Doctors recommend vegetarians take Vitamin B supplements, and drink plant based fortified milk with b12, b6 etc... which i do.

So to the vitamin b12 debate i say...

... vitamin B12 - pfft

thats a pic of the back of my bottle of "high potency vitamin B complex pills"

cherrylula · 01-25-2008, 02:06 PM

Just for the record I don't call myself a "vegan", its almost impossible to live that way, just a vegetarian. Vegans avoid all animal products, no leather, etc.

My fox stoles are already dead, and my closet is full of leather jackets, and they are going nowhere. But I'm not about to start collecting skins either.

and don't get me started on my shoe collection. Many animals died for those too. I have so many they'll probably rot before I wear them out. And in Louisiana its all broken cobblestone or grass. Heels are out of the question here, pretty indefinitely til I move.

NosMo · 01-25-2008, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I want to live, not die anymore.

Hate to break it to you, But every one dies. Sucks but thats the facts.

NosMo

baddog · 01-25-2008, 02:09 PM

I have a question that I asked one Vegan. She got very upset and would not come up with a response.

If you are a true vegan, how can you justify having a pet?

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 02:09 PM

in addition, here is what I had for breakfast!

ISNT IT PRETTY???

One whole, on the vine tomatoe (for lycopene) and some Romain lettuce hearts.

yum!

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

If you are a true vegan, how can you justify having a pet?

You compare having a pet to eating them?

lol

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 02:11 PM

Also, i dont call myself a vegan, vegetarian if anything...

vegans are a whole different group of people.

A vegetarian is someone who has given up eating animals, that doesnt mean I am against owning a pet.

cherrylula · 01-25-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I have a question that I asked one Vegan. She got very upset and would not come up with a response.

If you are a true vegan, how can you justify having a pet?

did she have some animals caged up or something?

I'll answer though... we have two miniature pinschers who are domesticated and definitely couldn't survive on their own. I wouldn't want a caged up bird or tied up dog though. That stuff actually makes me sad.

baddog · 01-25-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

in addition, here is what I had for breakfast!

ISNT IT PRETTY???

One whole, on the vine tomatoe (for lycopene) and some Romain lettuce hearts.

yum!

Even when I went raw that would have been a sucky breakfast. Give me fruit please.

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

You compare having a pet to eating them?

lol

If you can't wear them or line your couch or car with them, why can you own them?

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Originally Posted by cherrylula

did she have some animals caged up or something?

Yes

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 02:25 PM

thats not really all i had man... as ive said I have fruit in the morning too. Its Friday morning, so I am out of Kiwis, and on my last apple for the week LOL - its also fricking cold so I didnt run out to get more kiwis heheh

I eat fruit first then a bowl of salad, i also took this pic before i put in the carrotts... every morning is different.

To claim its "sucky" is silly.

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

If you can't wear them or line your couch or car with them, why can you own them?

You would have to ask a vegan, i am not one. I am VEGETARIAN.

Some vegetarians eat eggs, and drink milk. I just do not. There are three types of vegetarians. Vegan is a way further. Trying to bind me to their rules is a bit silly since I have never claimed to be a vegan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism

compare the two

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 02:30 PM

Being a VEGAN has to do with animal rights, thats what "veg-an" is - VEGTARIAN/ANIMAL RIGHTS = vegan.

vegetarians are different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism

Hell House Vic · 01-25-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NoComments

Are you giving me unsolicited advice?
Do I know you!?

hahahahaha.

there is no such thing as "unsolicited" when you post on a msgboard. but yes, i am. Then send photos of the results.

Hell House Vic · 01-25-2008, 02:51 PM

Kudos to the Vegetarian / Vegas on this board.

I'd love to take you all out to dinner or lunch... maybe Phoenix?
Vegas going to phoenix, let me know!!! vic "at" kickass "dot" com

NoComments · 01-25-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kick Ass Vic

Kudos to the Vegetarian / Vegas on this board.

I'd love to take you all out to dinner or lunch... maybe Phoenix?
Vegas going to phoenix, let me know!!! vic "at" kickass "dot" com

Cheapskate!

baddog · 01-25-2008, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

You would have to ask a vegan, i am not one. I am VEGETARIAN.

Pretty sure I did.

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

I have a question that I asked one Vegan. She got very upset and would not come up with a response.

If you are a true vegan, how can you justify having a pet?

Yep.

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Pretty sure I did.

Yep.

I meant in regards to you asking me, but its obvious the person you asked wasn't a true vegan, which is why it pissed them off

From what I gather vegans mostly own "saved" pets who wouldve have been put to death otherwise. And they wouldnt be "caged" if they were a true/pure vegan.

baddog · 01-25-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

I meant in regards to you asking me,

Sorry, not sure how you came to the conclusion I was asking you and not some Vegan that was reading the thread.

Hell House Vic · 01-25-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NoComments

Cheapskate!

cheepskate = nash. ;)

O MARINA · 01-25-2008, 03:09 PM

interesting replies from Fletch

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Sorry, not sure how you came to the conclusion I was asking you and not some Vegan that was reading the thread.

miscommunication i guess.

you quoted me with reply as question, so i answered.

I guess i took it wrong, i thought it was directed to me, sicne you quoted me.

Cheers man!

Hell House Vic · 01-25-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by O MARINA

interesting replies from Fletch

In this regard, m'lady, you should try M.A.C. for your lashes.
Animal Friendly, and rad.

O MARINA · 01-25-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kick Ass Vic

In this regard, m'lady, you should try M.A.C. for your lashes.
Animal Friendly, and rad.

my eyelashes say hello to you
ok I will take your advice Vic, this thread already inspired me ;)

Hell House Vic · 01-25-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O MARINA

my eyelashes say hello to you
ok I will take your advice Vic, this thread already inspired me ;)

mint! mint!

baddog · 01-25-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

miscommunication i guess.

you quoted me with reply as question, so i answered.

I guess i took it wrong, i thought it was directed to me, sicne you quoted me.

Cheers man!

I did? http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=121

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

I did? http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=121

yep.

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 04:12 PM

in this post man

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=121

you quoted me with reply in question form, so i answered ;)

just message board miscommunication, nothing new

rock on!

baddog · 01-25-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

yep.

Not until you decided to reply to the original question. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=123

Fletch XXX · 01-25-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by O MARINA

my eyelashes say hello to you
ok I will take your advice Vic, this thread already inspired me ;)

In regards t o make up (i dont wear any) but I have read also that AVON is animal friendly.

I have ordered some products from http://www.natures-gate.com/ (toothpaste, mouthwash, deodrant etcc...)

I love the deodorant, regular stuff from stores always irritates my underarms and burns me, but this natural stuff works and feels great.

this orange and patchouli deodorant is my fave

http://www.natures-gate.com/shop/sho...&withLin ks=1

great stuff

CDSmith · 01-25-2008, 04:24 PM

I see we're down to the hair-splitting here.

Time to eat.

Hell House Vic · 01-25-2008, 04:32 PM

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
aare
138!

we are 138!

we aaareeeee 138!

Hollywood Horwitz · 01-25-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kick Ass Vic

Kudos to the Vegetarian / Vegas on this board.

I'd love to take you all out to dinner or lunch... maybe Phoenix?
Vegas going to phoenix, let me know!!! vic "at" kickass "dot" com

Can recovering vegans come to your dinner? I was vegetarian for 14 years and vegan for 3 years, but I sold out to sushi! I served many years but fell victim to those moist and savory little hand rolls. Now I eat fish all the time. I call it Pescatarian, don't hate on me my yin!

Hell House Vic · 01-25-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Not until you decided to reply to the original question. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=123

how does having a pet harm an animal intrinsically? it doesn't therefore it's fine.

for the record, i am a vegetarian not a vegan.

and for the record, "vegan" is defined not as having to do with animal rights but as being a diet that contains no animal products at all.

I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian, to be specific, though i don't eat many eggs. just don't really like them much - or scared of them.

also, you don't NEED to be hulk hogan or arnold schwartz to be strong, and how strong to you NEED to be anyway?

nutrition comes from plants - PERIOD.
you get nutrition from animals because they eat plants.
some of the nutrition in animal food is sythesized by the animal itself - fine, eat animal products that don't intrinsically require death or pain to the animal - like cheese or whatever.

you'll be strong enough - trust me.

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WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Yes of course you can get proteins without eating meat. There's a reason, however, that _most_ vegetarians and especially vegans are not very muscular, even though they may be trim. All proteins are not created equal. I get low fat proteins from lean red meat, fishes, egg white, chicken, turkey, whey, fat free milk, black beans, etc. The mixture is important for strong muscle growth. Vegetable proteins tend to be the least useful in muscle production. I don't really buy the "more healthy" aspects necessarily, either. Yes, vegetarians and vegans tend to be slimmer, however, you can eat meat products and still keep your fat intake low. I eat red meat, I also train from 3-5 hours a day 6 days a week including a 12km run every morning. How are you going to tell me the average vegetraian is "more healthy" than me? __________________ .

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NoComments Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 4,957	Fletch, have you checked the quality of the air lately!? Breathing is as dangerous as eating fish and... "Life is VERY dangerous by itself, we all know how it ends" ;) __________________ ************************************* Give me the offer I can't refuse**

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Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	I've been trying to keep an eye on what kinds of meats I eat. Thankfully ATL is a big city and there are places you can buy non-antibiotic chicken, beef, and pork. Most of the fish I eat here is no more than 1 mile from where it was caught I'm a BIG milk drinker and having a history of osteoporosis, I plan on staying that way. If I'm around a TJs I'll buy their organic skim, but otherwise usually the local skim. My grandfather "retired" from owning a large snack food industry and buying a cattle farm so we've really been eating junk forever. Everyone who dies a natural death has been well into their 80's or 90's and there has never been any cancer on either side of the family. My maternal uncle had a heart attack at 45 but he was a VERY heavy smoker and beer drinker. He's stopped both, that was 20 years ago and he's fine now. Plays golf every day too. My blood pressure is so low that when it was even slightly elevated my stepmother pointed out in the ER that they needed to really start moving because that just wasn't normal for me - she was 100% correct. I think you should pick the lifestyle YOU like and live it. If you like meat, eat it. Sometimes nothing says "YUM" like being hosed off after pigging out at a BBQ If you're a vegan or vegetarian, more power to you. My sister has been a vegetarian since she was five. Right now she's in the middle of a "raw fast" where she can only eat raw or lightly steamed foods. What amazed me was that the other night she had two HUGE plates of beets, turnips, kale, asparagus, and some sort of lemon sauce which is the only seasoning she can use. Within 20 minutes she was hungry again. My Thai shrimp w/rice kept me full until the next AM

01-25-2008, 01:50 PM	#117
Brad Gosse Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Carpal Tunnel Posts: 2,616	I'm Vegan and I swallow ;) __________________ Free Clipart

01-25-2008, 02:06 PM	#119
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	Just for the record I don't call myself a "vegan", its almost impossible to live that way, just a vegetarian. Vegans avoid all animal products, no leather, etc. My fox stoles are already dead, and my closet is full of leather jackets, and they are going nowhere. But I'm not about to start collecting skins either. and don't get me started on my shoe collection. Many animals died for those too. I have so many they'll probably rot before I wear them out. And in Louisiana its all broken cobblestone or grass. Heels are out of the question here, pretty indefinitely til I move.

01-25-2008, 02:09 PM	#121
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	I have a question that I asked one Vegan. She got very upset and would not come up with a response. If you are a true vegan, how can you justify having a pet?

01-25-2008, 02:09 PM	#122
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	in addition, here is what I had for breakfast! ISNT IT PRETTY??? One whole, on the vine tomatoe (for lycopene) and some Romain lettuce hearts. yum! __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

01-25-2008, 02:11 PM	#124
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Also, i dont call myself a vegan, vegetarian if anything... vegans are a whole different group of people. A vegetarian is someone who has given up eating animals, that doesnt mean I am against owning a pet. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me Last edited by Fletch XXX; 01-25-2008 at 02:13 PM..

01-25-2008, 02:25 PM	#127
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	thats not really all i had man... as ive said I have fruit in the morning too. Its Friday morning, so I am out of Kiwis, and on my last apple for the week LOL - its also fricking cold so I didnt run out to get more kiwis heheh I eat fruit first then a bowl of salad, i also took this pic before i put in the carrotts... every morning is different. To claim its "sucky" is silly. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

01-25-2008, 02:30 PM	#129
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Being a VEGAN has to do with animal rights, thats what "veg-an" is - VEGTARIAN/ANIMAL RIGHTS = vegan. vegetarians are different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

01-25-2008, 02:51 PM	#131
Hell House Vic Pay to Cum Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nor San Diego Posts: 1,029	Kudos to the Vegetarian / Vegas on this board. I'd love to take you all out to dinner or lunch... maybe Phoenix? Vegas going to phoenix, let me know!!! vic "at" kickass "dot" com __________________ Contact Me - ICQ: 206851710 eMail vic (at) hellhousemedia (dot) com 'Satanism is like Capitalism for teens' - Ty HellHouse

01-25-2008, 03:09 PM	#137
O MARINA I'm clockin' ya, Versace shade watchin' ya Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: internet Posts: 13,795	interesting replies from Fletch

01-25-2008, 04:12 PM	#144
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	in this post man http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=121 you quoted me with reply in question form, so i answered ;) just message board miscommunication, nothing new rock on! __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

01-25-2008, 04:24 PM	#147
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I see we're down to the hair-splitting here. Time to eat. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

01-25-2008, 04:32 PM	#148
Hell House Vic Pay to Cum Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nor San Diego Posts: 1,029	weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee aare 138! we are 138! we aaareeeee 138! __________________ Contact Me - ICQ: 206851710 eMail vic (at) hellhousemedia (dot) com 'Satanism is like Capitalism for teens' - Ty HellHouse