Belichick arguably the best coach, but also the biggest whiner - GoFuckYourself.com

CDSmith · 02-04-2008, 03:47 PM

From a post by S.A.K. on another board:

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On more than one occasion this year, Bill Belichick and the Patriots have run up the score on an overmatched opponent, and forced an opposing coach to sit there and watch his beaten team go through the motions while their heineys were being handed to them.

But when the shoe's on the other foot, and Bill Belichick's team has been beaten, he can't sit there and take the pain for a few seconds.

With :02 left on the clock, and his team just having failed on a last chance 4th down effort, Bill Belichick ran onto the field for a quick handshake, and then bolted for the locker room. Belichick's an important guy and everything, but I wasn't aware that the league had given him the authority to decide when games end.

There's time left on the clock, his team's been humbled, outplayed, and lost their chance at history ... and Bill Belichick doesn't have the stomach to sit there and absorb the pain until the clock read 0:00.

That's unsportsmanlike at best, disrespectful at least, and at worst, it makes him a big sissy.

Because Bill Belichick wanted to go hide when he lost, the field ended up being flooded with people, and the officials had to clear the area before the Giants could take their final snap and make it official. When you lose, you take your loss. You don't leave early because it makes you feel sad inside. Your opponent deserves more respect than that.

Anyone remember in 2004 when Randy Moss left the sidelines with 2 seconds left in a Vikings vs. Redskins game? Moss was selfish, a baby, a quitter, didn't respect his teammates, and didn't respect the game. Belichick just did the same thing, but did it on the biggest possible stage, and did it from the position of a leader of men.

Maybe there's something to be said for the inability to lose well ... most great winners don't lose well, and a sore loser is still a loser.

But still, if you're an adult, you finish out the game, and you give your opponents the stage and the respect they deserve.

Belichick showed his usual amount of class at the end of what was the most watched superbowl in NFL history. 97.5 Million people tuned in.

Nice one Bill.

L-Pink · 02-04-2008, 04:03 PM

I don't know, it wasn't like he left the sidelines straight for the locker room. He was caught up in the crowd and ended up going into the tunnel. Maybe he just didn't want to fight the crowd and thought it pointless.

It wasn't the right thing to do but I don't think it was a deliberate act. I did not however see him shake Coughlin's hand, I assume he did or that really was shitty.

ronaldo · 02-04-2008, 04:08 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the clock go down to zero, he raced to shake hands as the field was flooding with people, THEN they added one more second? Again, I could be wrong on that, but I thought that's what happened.

If that's what happened, I don't blame him one bit. If there was still one second on the clock the whole time, he should have waited it out.

marcop · 02-04-2008, 04:09 PM

He's always been a bad loser . . . .

kane · 02-04-2008, 04:17 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the clock go down to zero, he raced to shake hands as the field was flooding with people, THEN they added one more second? Again, I could be wrong on that, but I thought that's what happened.

If that's what happened, I don't blame him one bit. If there was still one second on the clock the whole time, he should have waited it out.

The clock had a few seconds left then was stopped. He ran onto the field, as did a lot of people. He was told by the ref that there needed to be one more play, but he still walked off the field. He could have easily went to the sidelines for one play then ran off the field, but as per usual the Pats showed a lack of class. They have gone from behind a liked team to being the NFL's version of a villain in a matter of years. I doubt that they care about that either.

NosMo · 02-04-2008, 04:24 PM

Loser, the NFL should fine him.

NosMo

ronaldo · 02-04-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

The clock had a few seconds left then was stopped. He ran onto the field, as did a lot of people. He was told by the ref that there needed to be one more play, but he still walked off the field. He could have easily went to the sidelines for one play then ran off the field, but as per usual the Pats showed a lack of class. They have gone from behind a liked team to being the NFL's version of a villain in a matter of years. I doubt that they care about that either.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/...ore-game-ends/

After the last pass is incomplete, the clock reads :02. Then they run it down to :00. Hear the announcers, "They run out the clock". The clock ticked down to zero...THEN they put it back on. He didn't run out as soon as the pass was incomplete. He was waiting. Did Bellichick see the clock at zero or :01 when he ran out? With the crowd on the field, it's obvious he wasn't the only one.

I don't blame him.

BOSS1 · 02-04-2008, 04:38 PM

could be could be

StickyGreen · 02-04-2008, 04:40 PM

Belichick is a bitch...

ronaldo · 02-04-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

I did not however see him shake Coughlin's hand, I assume he did or that really was shitty.

In the video I posted it shows him HUGGING Coughlin. The classless fuck.

kane · 02-04-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/...ore-game-ends/

After the last pass is incomplete, the clock reads :02. Then they run it down to :00. Hear the announcers, "They run out the clock". The clock ticked down to zero...THEN they put it back on. He didn't run out as soon as the pass was incomplete. He was waiting. Did Bellichick see the clock at zero or :01 when he ran out? With the crowd on the field, it's obvious he wasn't the only one.

I don't blame him.

That may be the case. The clock runs out, he runs onto the field along with a lot of other people. That is fine. However, the ref actually stopped him and told him there was one second left and they needed to run another play. He did this as Bellichick was running out onto the field. Bellichick ignored him, congratulated the Giants coach and jogged off the field. He knew there needed to be one more play, but didn't care.

It's not a big deal really, I think it is just further evidence of how he and the Pats have no respect for the league.

ronaldo · 02-04-2008, 04:58 PM

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That may be the case. The clock runs out, he runs onto the field along with a lot of other people. That is fine. However, the ref actually stopped him and told him there was one second left and they needed to run another play. He did this as Bellichick was running out onto the field. Bellichick ignored him, congratulated the Giants coach and jogged off the field. He knew there needed to be one more play, but didn't care.

It's not a big deal really, I think it is just further evidence of how he and the Pats have no respect for the league.

Don't get me wrong. I think he still SHOULD have waited, but with the clusterfuck going on on the field, that play could have taken 10 more minutes to run. I certainly wouldn't expect ANYONE to wait that long. It reminds me of the college game where the guy was running down the field and had to dodge fans and the BAND to get into the endzone. Maybe better security is needed to keep people off until the game is definitely over.

HAD he run onto the field after the pass was incomplete and the game was over, except for the clock running out, then I'd be the first to say he was being classless.

That being said, under the circumstances I saw, I still don't blame the guy.

L-Pink · 02-04-2008, 05:03 PM

Once again it's hard to see but 12 seconds after the game is over the video shows a lot of the Patriots walking in the tunnel. How many Pat's were actually on the sidelines? Was Bellichick with most of his team? For all we know he could have been stuck behind the crowd at the sidelines. Or did he throw in the towel?

kane · 02-04-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo

Don't get me wrong. I think he still SHOULD have waited, but with the clusterfuck going on on the field, that play could have taken 10 more minutes to run. I certainly wouldn't expect ANYONE to wait that long. It reminds me of the college game where the guy was running down the field and had to dodge fans and the BAND to get into the endzone. Maybe better security is needed to keep people off until the game is definitely over.

HAD he run onto the field after the pass was incomplete and the game was over, except for the clock running out, then I'd be the first to say he was being classless.

That being said, under the circumstances I saw, I still don't blame the guy.

I guess, in the end, it was madhouse, he was obviously not happy to have just lost the game and things happen. maybe it was unintentional, maybe it wasn't. I think though, given his reputation, a lot of people (like me) took it as another fuck off from him to the league.

dav3 · 02-04-2008, 05:05 PM

Did you guys catch the britney spears sex tape commercial at half time?

Walrus · 02-04-2008, 07:15 PM

Bill Belichick never "whines." He's always quick and to the point. His press conferences rarely last more than two minutes. But that is Bill Belichick. He's always been like that.

VeriSexy · 02-04-2008, 11:06 PM

Yea he is a sore loser

NTSS · 02-05-2008, 12:54 AM

Best football mind in the NFL..point blank!

Who gives a fuck about anything else..I don't.

He's a coach. He's paid good money to coach the players of the best game in sports and he does a damn good job at it. His winning percentage is off the charts! He's second to the great Vince Lombardi.

If he quit the Pats jobs today 31 others teams would be knocking down his door to hire him.

Case closed...

NTSS · 02-05-2008, 01:01 AM

Oh...and he went off the field after congratulating Coughlin...everyone thought the clock had run out, even Coughlin, otherwise he wouldn't have been at midfield either. Players were celebrating, the officials decided to put 1 sec back on the clock, by that time he was probably half way to the locker room.

No big deal...

Mutt · 02-05-2008, 01:21 AM

i don't like Bellichick, he is miserable and petty and quite possibly a cheater BUT i do agree with Ronaldo's posts - the media are such jackals, the fans ran on the field en masse, the celebration began and he ran across the field to congratulate Coughlin.

and the point of the Spygate scandal isn't if what they did ended up helping them win games or Super Bowls - i really doubt it did - it's that it proves that Bellichick will break the rules of the NFL to gain an advantage. As some guy I heard today say 'if you go rob a bank and only walk out with 200 dollars you're no better than the guy who walks away with 200,000 dollars'.

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 09:20 AM

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Don't get me wrong. I think he still SHOULD have waited,

So far so good, we agree.

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but with the clusterfuck going on on the field, that play could have taken 10 more minutes to run.

But it didn't. It took only about 90 seconds for things to get organized enough to run the last play.

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I certainly wouldn't expect ANYONE to wait that long.

I would. It's about respect for the game, as the article I posted above clearly states.

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Maybe better security is needed to keep people off until the game is definitely over.

Could be, but it still doesn't absolve Belichick, someone who should by now know full well that even if you don't like it, it's not over 'til it's over.

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HAD he run onto the field after the pass was incomplete and the game was over, except for the clock running out, then I'd be the first to say he was being classless.

Follow along here. He ran onto the field. Lots of people with him. He shook coughlin's hand, and then he was TOLD by an official that there was still 2 seconds to play and that there would have to be one more play. He ignored that and just buggered off down the tunnel. Why? Because he's the great Belicheat. Or is it Belichoke? I forget now. :D

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That being said, under the circumstances I saw, I still don't blame the guy.

Then we again find ourselves in disagreement. We're not doing so well this week.

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 09:33 AM

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Follow along here. He ran onto the field. Lots of people with him. He shook coughlin's hand, and then he was TOLD by an official that there was still 2 seconds to play and that there would have to be one more play. He ignored that and just buggered off down the tunnel. Why? Because he's the great Belicheat. Or is it Belichoke? I forget now. :D

As someone else pointed out above, Coughlin ran onto the field as well, so any notion of an intentionally slight or being a sore loser is already right out the window imo. EVERYONE thought the game was over...even the announcers. But for arguments sake let's say he DID go back and stand on the sideline and wait. Should he THEN have run BACK on to the field and HUG, not shake hands with, but HUG Coughlin again? I'm guessing if he hadn't, people would still be calling him classless.

What I find funny about the whole thing is I don't THINK Coughlin has said anything about him being classless. The only people that have are journalists and internet writers with nothing else better to do.

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 09:41 AM

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As someone else pointed out above, Coughlin ran onto the field as well, so any notion of an intentionally slight or being a sore loser is already right out the window imo. EVERYONE thought the game was over...even the announcers. But for arguments sake let's say he DID go back and stand on the sideline and wait. Should he THEN have run BACK on to the field and HUG, not shake hands with, but HUG Coughlin again? I'm guessing if he hadn't, people would still be calling him classless.

What I find funny about the whole thing is I don't THINK Coughlin has said anything about him being classless. The only people that have are journalists and internet writers with nothing else better to do.

Coughlin went back to the sideline though. Belichick didn't. End of argument.

Tom_PM · 02-05-2008, 09:49 AM

When I heard that BOTH Tom Brady and Randy Moss decided after losing the super bowl to drop out of the pro bowl, it really pissed me off.

Kids, if you you take a hard loss, go ahead and drop out of any other honors or commitments you have. It's ok. If you're a loser in a game, go ahead and confirm it by being a loser in your life too.

Talk about poor sportsmanship and being sore losers.. thats just a huge slap in the face to all the fans out there. I really feel there should be a crippling fine for that, and disqualification from future pro bowl nomination.

On coaches.. They're all arrogant blowhards, it's a prerequisite to coaching. They can be expected to be morons at any given time.

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 09:53 AM

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Coughlin went back to the sideline though. Belichick didn't. End of argument.

lol, ya think maybe Coughlin wanted to stay to accept the trophy? Again, when Coughlin says he was being classless, I'll consider it. Until then, I'll agree to disagree again.

Why isn't anyone concerned with what Bellichuk SAID to Coughlin. That would be a LOT more telling about how much class the guy has than a clusterfuck that really wasn't his fault. Did he say, "Good game", or did he say "Congratulation Tom. You guys deserve it" or something in between? I'm guessing noone's concerned because if they found out he said the latter, their "classless" argument would look ridiculous.

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 10:06 AM

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When I heard that BOTH Tom Brady and Randy Moss decided after losing the super bowl to drop out of the pro bowl, it really pissed me off.

Kids, if you you take a hard loss, go ahead and drop out of any other honors or commitments you have. It's ok. If you're a loser in a game, go ahead and confirm it by being a loser in your life too.

Talk about poor sportsmanship and being sore losers.. thats just a huge slap in the face to all the fans out there. I really feel there should be a crippling fine for that, and disqualification from future pro bowl nomination.

This is the first I've heard about this, but wow... just wow. The trainwreck gets worse.

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On coaches.. They're all arrogant blowhards, it's a prerequisite to coaching. They can be expected to be morons at any given time.

Some more than others.

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 10:29 AM

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lol, ya think maybe Coughlin wanted to stay to accept the trophy? Again, when Coughlin says he was being classless, I'll consider it. Until then, I'll agree to disagree again.

Why isn't anyone concerned with what Bellichuk SAID to Coughlin. That would be a LOT more telling about how much class the guy has than a clusterfuck that really wasn't his fault. Did he say, "Good game", or did he say "Congratulation Tom. You guys deserve it" or something in between? I'm guessing noone's concerned because if they found out he said the latter, their "classless" argument would look ridiculous.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/footba...5972113.column

I don't know how anyone can read that article (in full) and not at least agree that ol' Bill should have returned to the sideline and allow the game to finish, and then walk over and congratulate his rival properly instead of running down the tunnel like he did.

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

When I heard that BOTH Tom Brady and Randy Moss decided after losing the super bowl to drop out of the pro bowl, it really pissed me off.

Kids, if you you take a hard loss, go ahead and drop out of any other honors or commitments you have. It's ok. If you're a loser in a game, go ahead and confirm it by being a loser in your life too.

Talk about poor sportsmanship and being sore losers.. thats just a huge slap in the face to all the fans out there. I really feel there should be a crippling fine for that, and disqualification from future pro bowl nomination.

On coaches.. They're all arrogant blowhards, it's a prerequisite to coaching. They can be expected to be morons at any given time.

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=...o&confirm=true

Buccaneers quarterback Jeff Garcia is headed to the Pro Bowl for the fourth time, replacing Green Bay's Brett Favre on the NFC roster.

Favre, who was chosen as the starter for the annual all-star game, had said he was unsure whether he would play after leading the Packers to the NFC championship game.

Is Favre a poor sport and a sore loser too? He's had a while longer to get over his loss.

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 10:54 AM

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http://www.newsday.com/sports/footba...5972113.column

I don't know how anyone can read that article (in full) and not at least agree that ol' Bill should have returned to the sideline and allow the game to finish, and then walk over and congratulate his rival properly instead of running down the tunnel like he did.

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What I find funny about the whole thing is I don't THINK Coughlin has said anything about him being classless. The only people that have are journalists and internet writers with nothing else better to do.

I like how he simply ignores the fact that the clock DID run to zero.

-"The game wasn't over yet and the players knew it, the officials knew it and the fans knew it."

Yes, and that's why there were players, fans AND the opposing coach on the field. It's nice to be able to pass judgement from the press box.

-"Yeah, sure, he sought out Tom Coughlin, his conqueror, before he left, and did what it obviously killed him to have to do: credit another man for beating him."

It's must be nice to be clairvoyant and be able to tell what's going through one's mind at a given time. I'm sure it killed him to lose the game, just like it would have ANYONE. But how is HE or ANY of us to know that as bad as he felt for himself, he wasn't happy for his FRIEND. Does HE know how sincere the congratulations were between the two? I'm sure he thinks he does.

-"No, this was simply a public hissy fit by a spoiled punk who couldn't accept defeat."

Can anyone say biased, BITTER reporter with a poison pen?

I'm not saying Belichick is a saint. Clearly he's not. I also don't follow the guy around enough to have seen all of the things that people seem to hate him for. But please. Show me an article that looks at the incident objectively please. Not by some idiot who clearly has a hatred for the man.

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...D=200880126007

"Tom and I have a good relationship,'' Belichick said this week.

"We go way back to the '80s there at the Giants. We worked together closely, as a secondary coach and a receiver coach would. He's a good personal friend, and Judy and his family. We've spent time with them away from football, whether it was at Boston College, Jacksonville and so forth. I respect Tom. I think he's an outstanding coach and wish him well in every game but this one.''

Now, let's hear how classless that last remark is even though I'm sure it's half truth made in jest.

So now am I supposed to believe that this man went out of his way to show a lack of respect to his friend? I do have a tendency to give people the benefit of the doubt, but the Belichick bashers ARE simply bashing at this point.

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 11:20 AM

Playclock was at zero for all of about 3 seconds before it was put back to .02

Quit making excuses for the guy. I don't see how you can sit there defending this when he clearly ran his ass down the tunnel when he should have shown respect for the game and returned to the sideline to let the game finish.

It's the way it's done in the NFL and everybody knows it. (except you)

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 11:27 AM

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Playclock was at zero for all of about 3 seconds before it was put back to .02

Quit making excuses for the guy. I don't see how you can sit there defending this when he clearly ran his ass down the tunnel when he should have shown respect for the game and returned to the sideline to let the game finish.

It's the way it's done in the NFL and everybody knows it. (except you)

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HAD he run onto the field after the pass was incomplete and the game was over, except for the clock running out, then I'd be the first to say he was being classless.

That being said, under the circumstances I saw, I still don't blame the guy.

Get back to me when Coughlin has something to say on the matter.

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 11:37 AM

Coughlin probably doesn't care. Why is his take on it the one that carries all the weight?

Belichick's actions certainly haven't escaped the notice of NFL.com's writers. I'd say the official website of the league has a valid opinion, and from the several articles I've read that mention it I'd say their take falls in line with mine, not yours.

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 12:00 PM

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Coughlin probably doesn't care. Why is his take on it the one that carries all the weight?

Belichick's actions certainly haven't escaped the notice of NFL.com's writers. I'd say the official website of the league has a valid opinion, and from the several articles I've read that mention it I'd say their take falls in line with mine, not yours.

You mean to tell me that my views don't fall in line with that of the mainstream media? Thank you. I take that as a compliment. Read both threads on the Pats and you'll see me being objective. That's a prerequisite that isn't required by journalists nowadays. You on the other hand COULD be a sportwriter.

Coughlin's opinion carries more weight because it was HE who was on the field with him, HE was the opponent who was shown this lack of class, and HE knows what was said between the two of them. To ANYONE that REALLY wants to make a fair judgement, he's the guy you'd want to talk to. Certainly more than some pundit with an axe to grind who spent the afternoon eating and drinking for free in the pressbox. If you're going to take the opinion of a sportwriter as the gospel, you know, someone writing a column to SELL PAPERS, then YOUR views are skewed...not mine.

Before "I" wrote any of those columns, which are NOTHING more than opinion pieces I might add, I'd have asked Coughlin the following questions...

-Why did you run onto the field when there was still time remaining?
-What did Coach Belichick say to you?
-What did you say to Coach Belichick?
-What did the refs say to you and coach Belichick?
-When it was determined that there was time left on the clock, do you feel Coach Belichick should have gone back to the sidelines instead of the dressing room?
-Would better security help avoid confusion like that in the future?
-Do you think Coach Belichick showed you a lack of respect by NOT going back to the sidelines?
-Do you think Coach Belichick showed lack of class or a lack of respect to the LEAGUE by not going back to the sidelines?

Chances are, even if he felt Belichick WAS being classless, he wouldn't say it, but by asking those questions, I'd have been able to write a much more objective article than anything I've seen written on the matter. Of course, being objective wouldn't sell newspapers...raging headlines like "Belichick Shows Lack of Class" would. Which is why I could never be a journalist.

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 12:12 PM

Nice how you conveniently sidestep my rather solid point about the NFL.com's articles on the matter... the official site of the league itself. They aren't outright trashing Belichick (yet), but there is no doubt in how things read over there that what he did wasn't the wisest of moves.

It's not about taking sides with sportswriters and pundits and going with the masses. It's about knowing right from wrong. Some see it, and others who are mostly blind biased Pats fans who simply refuse to admit even the slightest error in judgement on the part of their dream team, don't.

I rest my case.

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 12:24 PM

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Nice how you conveniently sidestep my rather solid point about the NFL.com's articles on the matter... the official site of the league itself. They aren't outright trashing Belichick (yet), but there is no doubt in how things read over there that what he did wasn't the wisest of moves.

It's not about taking sides with sportswriters and pundits and going with the masses. It's about knowing right from wrong. Some see it, and others who are mostly blind biased Pats fans who simply refuse to admit even the slightest error in judgement on the part of their dream team, don't.

I rest my case.

lol, actually I'm a Cowboys fan. I was cheering for the Pats to see history made, but have no other vested interest. I said elsewhere that the Giants are full marks for the victory and ALSO said if he HAD gone out onto the field with time left on the clock, it WOULD have been classless. That was before I found the video that shows that wasn't exactly the case. You don't see me making excuses for the Pats losing. If it was MY team, I could probably come up with a few though. As a Winnipeg Jets fan, I know I did many, MANY times.

Because I haven't seen the articles on NFL.com I won't, unlike some people, comment on something I don't know anything about. But if they're anything like the articles you showed me, I'm really not missing anythng and I'll continue to wait to hear from someone OTHER than a sportwriter. If there's an objective one there though, by all means, link me up.

I see YOU ignored my question on whether or not Favre is being a sore loser or a poor sport though. But after you bashed the two Pats for missing the Pro Bowl, I guess you'd have to, wouldn't you?

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 12:40 PM

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lol, actually I'm a Cowboys fan. I was cheering for the Pats to see history made, but have no other vested interest. I said elsewhere that the Giants are full marks for the victory and ALSO said if he HAD gone out onto the field with time left on the clock, it WOULD have been classless. That was before I found the video that shows that wasn't exactly the case. You don't see me making excuses for the Pats losing. If it was MY team, I could probably come up with a few though. As a Winnipeg Jets fan, I know I did many, MANY times.

touche.

Low blow... but touche. :D

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Because I haven't seen the articles on NFL.com I won't, unlike some people, comment on something I don't know anything about. But if they're anything like the articles you showed me, I'm really not missing anythng and I'll continue to wait to hear from someone OTHER than a sportwriter. If there's an objective one there though, by all means, link me up.

They're not nearly as direct and cutting about it on nfl.com. As I said earlier, there are several articles there on the game, several of which make mention of this incident. They read as quite objective to me, but them just pointing out what he did speaks volumes as to the right and the wrong of it.

Link is www.nfl.com Several articles that mention this are a click away from there.

Again, it baffles me why a few can't see that once he was told there needed to be one more play he should have walked his ass back over to the sideline and waited it out like a man instead of running away like a sore losing bitch.

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I see YOU ignored my question on whether or not Favre is being a sore loser or a poor sport though. But after you bashed the two Pats for missing the Pro Bowl, I guess you'd have to, wouldn't you?

Well for one you weren't speaking to me in that post. For another I was waiting to see if PR_Tom would return and address your comments himself. I was trying to be courteous and give him first crack, but seeing as you're itching for an answer and Tom hasn't revisited, here you be....

It is widely known (and has been for a few years now) that Favre is considering retirement. At least he has a reason for declining his participation in the pro bowl, whereas these jokers from the Patriots are so obviously reacting to their loss and acting like babies over it.

Argue about it. I know you want to.

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 12:41 PM

Ron

Why won't you let me rest my case in peace? :D

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 12:52 PM

lol, first off, it wasn't a low blow. I was referring to ME being a Jets fan and having all sorts of excuses. Yeah okay, I thought it would hurt a little.

I'll try to make an effort to check out NFL.com later today.

If Favre DOESN'T retire, is he a sore loser, whiny bitch? C'mon seriously. Actually, if he DOES retire, which he won't by the way (remember my prediction on Stegall there.

) shouldn't he give NFL fans one last look? Wouldn't THAT be a slap in the face to the fans who voted him in.

Let me tell you what a lack of class is. I don't know if the Giants did this or not btw, so this isn't directed at them at all, but I see hockey teams do it all the time. When the game is over and they race to put on their championship hats to wear as they shake hands. THAT pisses me off and shows a SERIOUS lack of class imo. That's just rubbing it in their faces.

One player that REALLY impressed me when his team won was Vincent Lecavalier (who I can't stand btw). He held the hat in his left hand, shook hands with everyone in the line with his right hand and when he was DONE, he put the hat on his head. THAT'S classy.*

Oh, and I said earlier I'd agree to disagree but obviously you can't even agree on that. You kept coming at me, so of course I have to respond.

*Please note the objectivity in this paragraph.

Supz · 02-05-2008, 12:57 PM

hes a bitch

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronaldo

Oh, and I said earlier I'd agree to disagree but obviously you can't even agree on that. You kept coming at me, so of course I have to respond.

From where I sit it's been you coming at me.

How would we ever get to page 2 if everyone just agreed to disagree in every thread? :D

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 01:10 PM

Every player that declines his spot in the pro bowl isn't automatically a sore loser or whiny bitch Ron. Why even compare Favre's situation with this one? It doesn't even come close. Brady and Moss both have known for a while now that they were going to the pro bowl, yet as soon as they lose the SB *BOOM* they're conveniently dropping out. How nice.

All I can say is you can bet your bottom dollar that had the Patriots won they would be going, no if's and's or but's about it.

They look like pussies.

Brady's excuse seems to be his so-called "ankle injury"

Moss? So far I can't find any article that offers his reason for quitting.

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=...o&confirm=true

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 01:23 PM

Oh C'MON man. I might even give you Moss, but Brady? HIS injury is SO-CALLED? The cast he was walking on before the Super Bowl was fake? (tbh I thought it was, lol) ANY chance he aggravated the ankle injury with all the hits he took. If you can't acknowledge that you're clearly just a Pats basher. That's fine btw. Just admit it.

Of course not everyone is the same, but you seem to be able to cherry pick to your liking.

Brady not going? Fake injury
Favre not going? Aging vet needs his rest
Moss not going? Poor sport, sore loser

Surely I'm not the only one that notices a pattern here.

You know, your Giants WON the game and the team you HATE lost the game. You should be happy instead of nitpicking. Enjoy the victory, your team deserved to win.

CDSmith · 02-05-2008, 01:41 PM

1. The giants are not "my team"... I'm a well-known 49'ers fan and supporter, for going on 30 years now. I've made that no secret ever.

2. I'm not the one attempting lame comparisons about Brady & Moss to other players who declined. The fact is Brady and Moss look like pussies because like I said, the SECOND they lose they bale on the pro bowl. I have no doubt whatsoever that had the Patriots won they would still be going to the pro bowl. A lot of people are going to see them as pussies over this.

3. I'm doing as much nitpicking as you are, but to be fair it wasn't even me who brought this part of the discussion into the thread.

4. As far as teams go I actually like the Patriots. Doesn't mean I have to like every bad decision or incident of poor sportmanship or idiotic behavior some of them exhibit. I didn't like the way whathisface from that other team stepped on that guy's head early-on in the season either, and I said so. I don't agree with nor condone what Vick did, and I said so. Doesn't mean I'm a hater of all their teams. I just wish the leader of the Patriots and two of their marquee players could show a little more class, a little better example for the younger viewers, and more love and respect for the game, that's all.

And lastly... at least you admit that the whole "Brady ankle injury/brace" thing looked a bit fishy. I am quite sure there are other players named to the pro bowl who have certain niggling injuries WHO ARE STILL GOING TO PLAY. Why? Because it's an honor among players to be named to that game.

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith

And lastly... at least you admit that the whole "Brady ankle injury/brace" thing looked a bit fishy.

Of course I admit it. That also doesn't mean I'm right. I'm ALWAYS brutally honest. Sometimes to my own detriment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Because it's an honor among players to be named to that game.

YOUR reason as to why Favre should also play.

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 02:07 PM

I didn't realize this...

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.../80124155/1989

That was on January 24th. 4 days after the Packers lost. Even though he knew for a while he'd be playing in the Pro Bowl.

Sore fucking loser.

Tom_PM · 02-05-2008, 02:11 PM

No idea about Favre. I dont follow teams or even football that close, I just like a good game that is exciting.
What got to me about Moss and Brady dropping out of the pro bowl was that they did it the day after the super bowl loss, and it's hard to imagine them dropping out if they'd won. Thats about it really, but I dont really care. I just think it's a poor lesson for those who paint pro athletes as "role models" (something I disagree with anyway to be honest).

ronaldo · 02-05-2008, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I just think it's a poor lesson for those who paint pro athletes as "role models" (something I disagree with anyway to be honest).

Anyone that thinks ANYONE famous should be a role model needs to have their head checked. Why should any of them be held to a higher standard than we are? Because they can sing or because they can catch a ball? That should magically make them better people than us? You'd think over time we'd have come to realize this, but sadly we haven't. Your role models should be those that can lead you directly by example, like, god forbid, your parents and other family members.

Good for you for realizing that.

jpwhits · 02-05-2008, 02:25 PM

Who gives a shit?

Walrus · 02-09-2008, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith

2. I'm not the one attempting lame comparisons about Brady & Moss to other players who declined. The fact is Brady and Moss look like pussies because like I said, the SECOND they lose they bale on the pro bowl. I have no doubt whatsoever that had the Patriots won they would still be going to the pro bowl. A lot of people are going to see them as pussies over this.

You make a lot of assumptions. Do you realize how hounded Tom Brady is by the media? I don't think anyone in the NFL gets more attention and focus than he does. It's his good looks and being one of the great modern day quarterbacks. He tried to visit his GF between the championship game and the Superbowl but someone spotted him. Then the media would wait outside his gf's apartment bldg 24/7. They even knew what kind of delivery they were ordering. If I were him, I might have had enough after the Superbowl and skip the Pro Bowl too. It's mass hysteria for that guy... and it has only grown stronger over the years as he only gets better.

L-Pink · 02-09-2008, 04:27 PM

With the chance of career ending injuries and the difficulty of preparing plays for the offense, the low ratings, I'm surprised the Pro Bowl is even played.

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L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	I don't know, it wasn't like he left the sidelines straight for the locker room. He was caught up in the crowd and ended up going into the tunnel. Maybe he just didn't want to fight the crowd and thought it pointless. It wasn't the right thing to do but I don't think it was a deliberate act. I did not however see him shake Coughlin's hand, I assume he did or that really was shitty.

02-04-2008, 04:08 PM	#3
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02-04-2008, 05:03 PM	#13
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CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Nice how you conveniently sidestep my rather solid point about the NFL.com's articles on the matter... the official site of the league itself. They aren't outright trashing Belichick (yet), but there is no doubt in how things read over there that what he did wasn't the wisest of moves. It's not about taking sides with sportswriters and pundits and going with the masses. It's about knowing right from wrong. Some see it, and others who are mostly blind biased Pats fans who simply refuse to admit even the slightest error in judgement on the part of their dream team, don't. I rest my case. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

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02-05-2008, 12:52 PM	#38
ronaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ#: 272000271 Posts: 5,475	lol, first off, it wasn't a low blow. I was referring to ME being a Jets fan and having all sorts of excuses. Yeah okay, I thought it would hurt a little. I'll try to make an effort to check out NFL.com later today. If Favre DOESN'T retire, is he a sore loser, whiny bitch? C'mon seriously. Actually, if he DOES retire, which he won't by the way (remember my prediction on Stegall there. ) shouldn't he give NFL fans one last look? Wouldn't THAT be a slap in the face to the fans who voted him in. Let me tell you what a lack of class is. I don't know if the Giants did this or not btw, so this isn't directed at them at all, but I see hockey teams do it all the time. When the game is over and they race to put on their championship hats to wear as they shake hands. THAT pisses me off and shows a SERIOUS lack of class imo. That's just rubbing it in their faces. One player that REALLY impressed me when his team won was Vincent Lecavalier (who I can't stand btw). He held the hat in his left hand, shook hands with everyone in the line with his right hand and when he was DONE, he put the hat on his head. THAT'S classy.* Oh, and I said earlier I'd agree to disagree but obviously you can't even agree on that. You kept coming at me, so of course I have to respond. *Please note the objectivity in this paragraph.

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02-05-2008, 01:10 PM	#41
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Every player that declines his spot in the pro bowl isn't automatically a sore loser or whiny bitch Ron. Why even compare Favre's situation with this one? It doesn't even come close. Brady and Moss both have known for a while now that they were going to the pro bowl, yet as soon as they lose the SB BOOM they're conveniently dropping out. How nice. All I can say is you can bet your bottom dollar that had the Patriots won they would be going, no if's and's or but's about it. They look like pussies. Brady's excuse seems to be his so-called "ankle injury" Moss? So far I can't find any article that offers his reason for quitting. http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story?id=...o&confirm=true __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

02-05-2008, 01:23 PM	#42
ronaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ#: 272000271 Posts: 5,475	Oh C'MON man. I might even give you Moss, but Brady? HIS injury is SO-CALLED? The cast he was walking on before the Super Bowl was fake? (tbh I thought it was, lol) ANY chance he aggravated the ankle injury with all the hits he took. If you can't acknowledge that you're clearly just a Pats basher. That's fine btw. Just admit it. Of course not everyone is the same, but you seem to be able to cherry pick to your liking. Brady not going? Fake injury Favre not going? Aging vet needs his rest Moss not going? Poor sport, sore loser Surely I'm not the only one that notices a pattern here. You know, your Giants WON the game and the team you HATE lost the game. You should be happy instead of nitpicking. Enjoy the victory, your team deserved to win.

02-05-2008, 01:41 PM	#43
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	1. The giants are not "my team"... I'm a well-known 49'ers fan and supporter, for going on 30 years now. I've made that no secret ever. 2. I'm not the one attempting lame comparisons about Brady & Moss to other players who declined. The fact is Brady and Moss look like pussies because like I said, the SECOND they lose they bale on the pro bowl. I have no doubt whatsoever that had the Patriots won they would still be going to the pro bowl. A lot of people are going to see them as pussies over this. 3. I'm doing as much nitpicking as you are, but to be fair it wasn't even me who brought this part of the discussion into the thread. 4. As far as teams go I actually like the Patriots. Doesn't mean I have to like every bad decision or incident of poor sportmanship or idiotic behavior some of them exhibit. I didn't like the way whathisface from that other team stepped on that guy's head early-on in the season either, and I said so. I don't agree with nor condone what Vick did, and I said so. Doesn't mean I'm a hater of all their teams. I just wish the leader of the Patriots and two of their marquee players could show a little more class, a little better example for the younger viewers, and more love and respect for the game, that's all. And lastly... at least you admit that the whole "Brady ankle injury/brace" thing looked a bit fishy. I am quite sure there are other players named to the pro bowl who have certain niggling injuries WHO ARE STILL GOING TO PLAY. Why? Because it's an honor among players to be named to that game. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

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ronaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ#: 272000271 Posts: 5,475	I didn't realize this... http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.../80124155/1989 That was on January 24th. 4 days after the Packers lost. Even though he knew for a while he'd be playing in the Pro Bowl. Sore fucking loser.

02-05-2008, 02:11 PM	#46
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	No idea about Favre. I dont follow teams or even football that close, I just like a good game that is exciting. What got to me about Moss and Brady dropping out of the pro bowl was that they did it the day after the super bowl loss, and it's hard to imagine them dropping out if they'd won. Thats about it really, but I dont really care. I just think it's a poor lesson for those who paint pro athletes as "role models" (something I disagree with anyway to be honest). __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	With the chance of career ending injuries and the difficulty of preparing plays for the offense, the low ratings, I'm surprised the Pro Bowl is even played.