I have an invention that will make us all millions...It's so simple

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

STOP GIVING AWAY FREE PORN.
You don't see stores giving away free pron magazines. People actually pay for it. Our AVS conversions used to be 1:50 back in the days. Lets all stop giving away free shit.
The system works, it's been proven. Why can't we all just stick with it. It's so easy!!!
Everyone here on GFY are the top leaders in the industry. Let's just stop. And boycott anyone giving aways free shit.
I'm sure we can get conversions back to 1:200 if we all try.

Any thoughts?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I Invented Free Porn.


Umm... Sorry everyone.
My bad.

[BV]

this is the funniest fucking thing i've heard in a while, what are you on Dave?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

I Invented Free Porn.


Umm... Sorry everyone.
My bad.

[WiredGuy]

Once the free genie is out of the bottle, its never going back in.
WG

[Semi-Retired-Dave]

Originally Posted by BV

this is the funniest fucking thing i've heard in a while, what are you on Dave?

We can do it. We can shut down every Tube site that has more than 30 second teasers. TGP's should all be shut down. And charge everyone to look at this shit.
Someone wants to go smoke a cigarette, they have to pay for it. Why are we giving this shit away for free. So we can make one lousy upsell sale for 1.95 trial. When are we all waking the fuck up.
What happened to the days a guy wanted to jerk it, he would go in and rent a dvd from a local video store, pay his fees and do his thing...now he types in Free Porn and gets his rocks off.
We need a class action against every free porn site in the industry. Sounds like a lot of work, but we can all start making those millions again. I am ready for round 3. lol

[RedShoe]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

We can do it. We can shut down every Tube site that has more than 30 second teasers. TGP's should all be shut down. And charge everyone to look at this shit.
Someone wants to go smoke a cigarette, they have to pay for it. Why are we giving this shit away for free. So we can make one lousy upsell sale for 1.95 trial. When are we all waking the fuck up.
What happened to the days a guy wanted to jerk it, he would go in and rent a dvd from a local video store, pay his fees and do his thing...now he types in Free Porn and gets his rocks off.
We need a class action against every free porn site in the industry. Sounds like a lot of work, but we can all start making those millions again. I am ready for round 3. lol

I couldn't agree with you more about the fact there is too much for free out there. It's the MAJOR tube sites I don't like. Not the ones that follow the less than 2 minute rule. Some people's trailers are less than 2 minutes. Hell, actual movie promos are 2 minutes and they drive people to the movies. Excpet people don't expect to pay 30.00 to a theater for a movie membership, they pay $30.00 per view. Hmm.... interesting...


But I digress....

Dave, ever go to a Costco on the weekends? It's LOADED with people giving out free samples and guess what? People actually buy the product that they may not have otherwise without tasting the sample. And they don't give you some shitty downgraded, compressed version of the sample. They cut off a piece and give you an actual sample of what's in the box.

They don't say here's a bunch of shitty little stale cookie crumbs but I guarantee you the box contains really good cookies.

So you see, we NEED to give away those samples. That's how we get people to try our shit and buy it. However.... I agree with you, we need to regulate what gets put out there for advertising.

(and yesI see the irony in my example as the only way to get into a costco is to buy a paid membership, but not all stores do that)

Oh.. and when the fuck are you going to let me edit for you? (yes that was me offering you my services)

[fluffygrrl]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

STOP GIVING AWAY FREE PORN.
You don't see stores giving away free pron magazines. People actually pay for it. Our AVS conversions used to be 1:50 back in the days. Lets all stop giving away free shit.
The system works, it's been proven. Why can't we all just stick with it. It's so easy!!!
Everyone here on GFY are the top leaders in the industry. Let's just stop. And boycott anyone giving aways free shit.
I'm sure we can get conversions back to 1:200 if we all try.

Any thoughts?

lol

And what's with all the cars, while at it ? Back in the day, people used to keep horses and drag carts around, and were fucken thankfull for it.

Let's all boycott Ford. And banks. And soap. And move to Amishland.

Taking pictures is easy, distributing pictures is easy, god knows pussy is easy, what do you expect ?

O, and while you stammer and foam, here's a can of worms I'd like you to repackage for me. Use a smaller can.

[Daruma]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

STOP GIVING AWAY FREE PORN.
You don't see stores giving away free pron magazines. People actually pay for it. Our AVS conversions used to be 1:50 back in the days. Lets all stop giving away free shit.
The system works, it's been proven. Why can't we all just stick with it. It's so easy!!!
Everyone here on GFY are the top leaders in the industry. Let's just stop. And boycott anyone giving aways free shit.
I'm sure we can get conversions back to 1:200 if we all try.

Any thoughts?

Dave - what's your contact - want to talk with you about an idea..

[Vick!]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

STOP GIVING AWAY FREE PORN.
You don't see stores giving away free pron magazines. People actually pay for it. Our AVS conversions used to be 1:50 back in the days. Lets all stop giving away free shit.
The system works, it's been proven. Why can't we all just stick with it. It's so easy!!!
Everyone here on GFY are the top leaders in the industry. Let's just stop. And boycott anyone giving aways free shit.
I'm sure we can get conversions back to 1:200 if we all try.

Any thoughts?

True.

Tours will be enough to have people join. Trust me.


But the problem is, what to do with the porn already out there? Its some hundred gazillion terabytes ..

[halfpint]

It sounds like a good Idea but how are you gonna stop people from ripping your members area content. I see lots of paysites offering full downloads to members you get things like "Watch online or download to your Pc, Ipod or PSP"

[wizzart]

Yeap, too much free porn on net today and too much webmaster competition who will give more free porn.

[Bossman]

Every major outlet of illegal and bordline illegal free porn site is owned by people who want to make a profit. Therefore its simply a matter of making their profits disappear by going after their supply line, which is part of either their cost or income. Make the cost rise by adding legal problems, and/or administrative cost, and make their income drop by exposing sponsors, processors etc.

In war its about making maximum damage to the enemy, and this is no different. We are at war with people who have pissed and are pisssing away on of the most profit making business on the net, simply so they can feed of the rooting adult industry corpse like any other parasite. Time to stand up, and brush them off

[shuki]

It's the mentality of this new younger generation and it is scary.

It isn't just in the adult industry either....people go on Facebook for free and then when they ad a few advertising elements (they are trying to make money after all) the community screams bloody murder and threatens to leave and go somewhere else.

My friends at home call me analogy man....here is my analogy with FREE

Hey guys come over my house every Sunday and lets watch the football games...I will have free pizza and beer and chips etc. It costs me $100 per Sunday and I do it 4 straight times for free in a row. On the 5th time I ask some of the guys to chip in and give me a few bucks. What they scream you want me to pay for that stuff.....Fuck that I will just go somewhere else where it is free.

In other words they love your (house) until it costs them money. Then they go to the next free place.

Dave you are right something needs to be done about free porn and in general the free loader mentality of this young born with a computer and a connection generation.

[Paysighting]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

We can do it. We can shut down every Tube site that has more than 30 second teasers. TGP's should all be shut down. And charge everyone to look at this shit.
Someone wants to go smoke a cigarette, they have to pay for it. Why are we giving this shit away for free. So we can make one lousy upsell sale for 1.95 trial. When are we all waking the fuck up.
What happened to the days a guy wanted to jerk it, he would go in and rent a dvd from a local video store, pay his fees and do his thing...now he types in Free Porn and gets his rocks off.
We need a class action against every free porn site in the industry. Sounds like a lot of work, but we can all start making those millions again. I am ready for round 3. lol

So true!!

[Violetta]

Free porn is here to stay. It will NEVER ever go away. Sadly

[F-U-Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Rockatansky

Free porn is here to stay. It will NEVER ever go away. Sadly

"Never say never"



.

[shuki]

Free is a bad marketers way of competing

[TheDoc]

Wow, no free porn, why don't we just ban traffic? It's a wonder your company made it all these years. How do you think you get so much type in traffic? Think it's from your good name and services? Haha, nooooo, it's from pirated content, password leaks (we know how much those helped you) and the mixture of all that free content your avs front ends would give away to promote your back end.

Free content made you, don't knock it.

[ultimatebbwdotcom]

Sites could start by removing their out of date FHGs that are archived on the tgp/mgp sites which make up a big part of the existing free content base.

Why do sites need 500 FHG's at any one time to help sponsors anyway.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by ultimatebbwdotcom

Sites could start by removing their out of date FHGs that are archived on the tgp/mgp sites which make up a big part of the existing free content base.

Why do sites need 500 FHG's at any one time to help sponsors anyway.

"because free porn makes mad fucking money and without it people would have no reason to find our sites"

[Martin]

Daves a dreamer

[Davy]

We are dealing with an immaterial product that can be effortlessly copied.
Unless a good way to protect your copyright is invented, nothing's going to change.

[gleem]

lol Dave, just like when TGP's started killing the AVS game, Tube sites are putting the final nails in the coffin on the industry as we know it.

I remember when I could toss a site up that took an hour to build on CyberAge back in 1998 and make $500 overnight on it and all it had was 50 pics.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by gleem

lol Dave, just like when TGP's started killing the AVS game, Tube sites are putting the final nails in the coffin on the industry as we know it.

I remember when I could toss a site up that took an hour to build on CyberAge back in 1998 and make $500 overnight on it and all it had was 50 pics.

Visa killed his business model, not TGP's. The AVS business was still a monster well after TGP's came around.

[ultimatebbwdotcom]

Originally Posted by gleem

I remember when I could toss a site up that took an hour to build on CyberAge back in 1998 and make $500 overnight on it and all it had was 50 pics.

And shafting the surfer was born.

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by Davy

We are dealing with an immaterial product that can be effortlessly copied.
Unless a good way to protect your copyright is invented, nothing's going to change.

Its also quite easy to steal in the real world, however most people do not it - even if there is no lock. Why? for some its morals, for others its fear, and for the last group its because they have no place to share/trade their "loot".

Lets work on all of them

[TheAgent]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

STOP GIVING AWAY FREE PORN.
You don't see stores giving away free pron magazines. People actually pay for it. Our AVS conversions used to be 1:50 back in the days. Lets all stop giving away free shit.
The system works, it's been proven. Why can't we all just stick with it. It's so easy!!!
Everyone here on GFY are the top leaders in the industry. Let's just stop. And boycott anyone giving aways free shit.
I'm sure we can get conversions back to 1:200 if we all try.

Any thoughts?

Your a clown, end of story

[gleem]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Visa killed his business model, not TGP's. The AVS business was still a monster well after TGP's came around.

no, Visa was the final blow, and actually it just made it so we couldn't say "in order to verify your age we need to charge a membership fee"

TGP's effect on AVS sites were the first thing to slow the biz down.. Was fought over and talked for years, about the same way everyone is crying about tube sites now.

[gleem]

Originally Posted by ultimatebbwdotcom

And shafting the surfer was born.

no, AVS membership's were/are a great deal for the surfer, they might only get 50 pics on my site, but then they got access to 150,000 other sites as well as the AVS's own internal video feeds, exclusive content etc..

Basically an AVS was a giant paysite that had 100's and 1000's of content sets updated to it daily.

By comparison, spending $30 a month to a modern day single paysite is much less of a porn value

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by fluffygrrl

lol

And what's with all the cars, while at it ? Back in the day, people used to keep horses and drag carts around, and were fucken thankfull for it.

Let's all boycott Ford. And banks. And soap. And move to Amishland.

Taking pictures is easy, distributing pictures is easy, god knows pussy is easy, what do you expect ?

O, and while you stammer and foam, here's a can of worms I'd like you to repackage for me. Use a smaller can.

Stupidist post ever.

[ultimatebbwdotcom]

Originally Posted by gleem

no, AVS membership's were/are a great deal for the surfer, they might only get 50 pics on my site, but then they got access to 150,000 other sites as well as the AVS's own internal video feeds, exclusive content etc..

Basically an AVS was a giant paysite that had 100's and 1000's of content sets updated to it daily.

By comparison, spending $30 a month to a modern day single paysite is much less of a porn value

Oh i remember them. The niches I used to get memberships for at the time sadly didnt have quite that much representation inside them.

[triumph]

The AVS model was beautiful! The conversions were unbelievable, unfortunately all good things come to an end.

Free Porn is getting out of hand, comparing tgp's and tubesites are like comparing apples and oranges. They are not alike!!!!!! There is a big difference giving away four or five clips of 15 to 20 seconds compared to 15 to 20 minute scenes on tube sites.

[FlexxAeon]

would take a lot of organization....like making a guild or something....but the industry is still tight enough to where it would work

[gleem]

Originally Posted by triumph

The AVS model was beautiful! The conversions were unbelievable, unfortunately all good things come to an end.

Free Porn is getting out of hand, comparing tgp's and tubesites are like comparing apples and oranges. They are not alike!!!!!! There is a big difference giving away four or five clips of 15 to 20 seconds compared to 15 to 20 minute scenes on tube sites.

it's not apples and oranges, it's just one is giving away alot more than the other is all.

AVS's converted way better than TGP's, TGP's convert way better than Tube sites... think about it, why is that??

[gleem]

ok, here's the facts

Surfers will flock to where the most free content is, the more free content there is the lower the conversions from that site.. when a business model becomes popular enough and gives away more content that the last popular biz model did, the model that gives away less free content will begin to lose it's traffic and the conversions go down as well.

I remember when I was doing AVS's and thehun became hugely popular my friends were like "why would I goto an AVS site, when I can just goto the hun to get my porn.. now people are like, why would I goto a TGP when I can goto megarotic, or other tube sites and get more"

at least with TGP's it took alot of clicking around and time to get a clip he liked to jerk off to, with tube sites he can just click the one video sit back and jerk off for 5 -10 minutes and be done..

[ultimatebbwdotcom]

I predict: The existing free content mountain will stay there and people will still give away too much free shit.

Even if sites do restrict themselves to 2 minute tube clips they will give enough good stuff away that people will still be able to jack off to them.

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by gleem

AVS's converted way better than TGP's, TGP's convert way better than Tube sites... think about it, why is that??

Also anotheir fact to add to the mix...

While the TGPs were making conversions worse, then the internet in the western world saw a huge increase in new users, which offset some of the effect from the conversion erosion. Now the growth of new internet users from western countries have peaked, and will be minimal from now (none to low single digit %), while the huge increase will be developing countries with suckng connections, no credit cards, and low income.

The erosion caused by tube sites will not be offset by new users, and as noted in this thread the new generation in the western world who grew up with TGPs will be harder to convert, then those before them.

This is not the end of the world, but its clear sign that the overall business will fall, if nothing is done by the content owners/resellers

[woj]

Originally Posted by Bossman

Every major outlet of illegal and bordline illegal free porn site is owned by people who want to make a profit. Therefore its simply a matter of making their profits disappear by going after their supply line, which is part of either their cost or income. Make the cost rise by adding legal problems, and/or administrative cost, and make their income drop by exposing sponsors, processors etc.

In war its about making maximum damage to the enemy, and this is no different. We are at war with people who have pissed and are pisssing away on of the most profit making business on the net, simply so they can feed of the rooting adult industry corpse like any other parasite. Time to stand up, and brush them off

That's all great, but they are kinda like roaches, kill one or even 100, and there are 1000s other waiting to take its place...

[XMaster]

Great Idea.
Go ahead I follow up

[Fap]

Or maybeee MORE free porn?

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by woj

That's all great, but they are kinda like roaches, kill one or even 100, and there are 1000s other waiting to take its place...

True, but the 1000s are a just a mathematical abstraction - in reality these 1000s are just individuals, who must each on their own overcome the obstacles, which is left behind from each battle won against those who came before them - at some point the risk vs. reward curve will change, and slow down or even stop new individuals from taking over the place.

[TheDoc]

I don't think AVS traffic converts as good or better than TGP traffic. And when breaking down Tube traffic, if you pull just the US/CA/UK/AU traffic it converts damn near as well as AVS traffic.

You are talking about a massive difference in marketing. TGP's don't offer join forms on every page or gallery, but overall a large TGP creates a large amount of sales each day across the broad range of galleries/sponsors. Where an AVS is more focused into one billing backend of already filtered traffic.

Tubes contain no less quality buyers, you just have a lot more bad-quality countries to filter out. If you focus on the US/CA and such traffic and filter off other traffic sources to areas they can buy. Once the traffic is qualified it easily converts as well as all other traffic sources.

Things have changed in the past, things will continue to change. Just because your ratios aren't as pretty doesn't mean you can't get 10x the sales you once could.

Free porn didn't hurt us, it only helps, even full rips. What is killing is, is the Internet. 5, 8, 10 years ago people had very few things that could pull them away from porn. Now they have 1000's of things, social networks, tubes, rpg games, more focused internet users, and the list goes on and on and on.

The real threat to our business is the same thing it has always been. Bad companies fucking with surfers, spam, scams, toolbars, spyware, all the dirty shit that people have done. This is the real reason it's harder for everyone, not stolen porn.

[Voodoo]

I'm going to invent Free FREE PORN. Just need to figure out what that means.

[Voodoo]

I guess I could go the other way too... Paid FREE PORN.

[Compdoctor]

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

STOP GIVING AWAY FREE PORN.
You don't see stores giving away free pron magazines. People actually pay for it. Our AVS conversions used to be 1:50 back in the days. Lets all stop giving away free shit.
The system works, it's been proven. Why can't we all just stick with it. It's so easy!!!
Everyone here on GFY are the top leaders in the industry. Let's just stop. And boycott anyone giving aways free shit.
I'm sure we can get conversions back to 1:200 if we all try.

Any thoughts?

Remember we said that about TGP's, and we still made money. We just have to adjust how we market things.

You can bet one thing, the ones giving away free porn to make a few bucks are not going away. They need the little change they are making!

[DaddyHalbucks]

Only lawsuits will get you where you want to be.

[Voodoo]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Only lawsuits will get you where you want to be.

Or bullets.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Only lawsuits will get you where you want to be.

The movie and music industry has tried this. They have spent hundreds of millions of dollars and didn't even put a .1% dent into the market. And they proved sales will go up with easily available free downloads.

I'm not saying don't go after the easy targets, but thinking that suing would be a solution is just wrong.

[BV]

IMO, Cheap b/w also has been a major contributor to this problem we have. It's too cheap to be a tubemaster.