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Old 02-18-2008, 11:13 PM   #51
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:16 PM   #52
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Business must be slow hey Paul??? Sad.
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:18 PM   #53
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Paul, I don't mind you giving one minute clips too tube sites.. You have the right idea but you don't need to deal with these types of sites.. It's hurting your business in the long run.. Wake up man!!!
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Have any lawyers ever weighed in on the subject of the possibility of tube advertisers being sued for contributory copyright infringement?

http://www.quizlaw.com/copyrights/wh...nfringem_1.php
I don't think that would apply.. However.. Every hosting company could probably be sued for "vicarious infringement" if they are notified that their client is constantly in violation of copyright infringement and they do nothing abou it...
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:55 PM   #55
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damn how did redtube get a ccbill id XXXX
i want that one!
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:59 PM   #56
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Have any lawyers ever weighed in on the subject of the possibility of tube advertisers being sued for contributory copyright infringement?

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why on earth would anyone not see this as a step forward? Wouldn't everyone want them to list content given to them by sponsors and not stolen?

Regardless of the length of videos they show, which has NOTHING to to with it, this is a new affiliate for PM and if they stopped all together using stolen content and worked with sponsors to use content provided than this is a step forward isn't it?

If anyone thinks youtube sites are not here to stay then you are in for a rough few years. They are here to stay and I see this as a possitive step forward.
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No affiliate code means he bought the spot. Can't say it surprises me at all from him. It's also amazing how so many people in this thread haven't even looked at the page.
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No affiliate code means he bought the spot. Can't say it surprises me at all from him. It's also amazing how so many people in this thread haven't even looked at the page.
OK so what difference does that make? He has given them the content to use to advertise his site. If they only took content given to them by sponsors or advertisers, this would be a good thing wouldnt it?
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No affiliate code means he bought the spot.
It looks more like redtube missed that - they were supposed to include their aff code there, but forgot. If Paul bought the spot, it would be just linked directly to the .com domain.
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Well one way or another nobody promotes Paul program so he have nothing to lose.
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It looks more like redtube missed that - they were supposed to include their aff code there, but forgot. If Paul bought the spot, it would be just linked directly to the .com domain.
Makes no difference either way.


They are showing a video he has given them and advertising his site. Surely this is a step in the right direction isnt it? Wouldnt everyone here prefere thats all they used?
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:27 AM   #63
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Have any lawyers ever weighed in on the subject of the possibility of tube advertisers being sued for contributory copyright infringement?

http://www.quizlaw.com/copyrights/wh...nfringem_1.php
GFY needs to put the crackpipe down in regards to advertisers getting sued. It's never going to happen.

Advertisers play ZERO role in what gets posted to the infringing website. They MIGHT be helping them to stay open, but that is virtually impossible to prove since there could be other sources of income for the site or even just operating at a loss until buyout.

Contributory infringement would actually be for the tube site itself since the direct infringer would be the surfer who uploaded it.
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So your sites aren't the success you preached them to be when you're running
out of money, you lost a customer paul.....goodluck you're lucky Brno isn't that
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I think they learn something from this thread that not all people agree to them
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wow.. this thread is on fire... i'll sit this one out, but BVF your signature alone was enough to make me almost fall out of my chair...
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GFY needs to put the crackpipe down in regards to advertisers getting sued. It's never going to happen.

Advertisers play ZERO role in what gets posted to the infringing website. They MIGHT be helping them to stay open, but that is virtually impossible to prove since there could be other sources of income for the site or even just operating at a loss until buyout.

Contributory infringement would actually be for the tube site itself since the direct infringer would be the surfer who uploaded it.
I believe you're wrong. These sponsors can go after the sites like AFF, Brazzers, etc.. who monetize these sites and capture some of the money they've earned. They should check with their legal advisors.
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Old 02-19-2008, 06:29 AM   #68
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Thanks Falcon for the link.

This is my last word on this and all you who send us traffic can stop doing so if they don't like my reply. All those who buy content can also stop buying. The rest of you can keep not sending and not buying.

This is business and our first loyalty is to our family, then employees, then affiliates. People in the business are a bit further down the list and posters on GFY come very low.

We're giving Red Tube and other tube sites free content if they sign up or if they don't sign up. Content with our URL on and hopefully they will have a banner next to my content. we're looking for traffic. We will also be putting up an area in the affiliates section designed for Tube sites.

If you guys had been sending lots of sign ups and buying lots of content you would have some sway in how we run my business. If you are in this position please email so we can discuss it.

If you're not then you have no involvement in how we run our business. We will continue to support the efforts of www.removeyourcontent.com. Who sadly are banned from here. You might like to ask the moderators why that is.

Will and Tony. We can't pay the bills with your respect. How much traffic or content did you send or buy from me when you had the "respect" you lost? Think about it. Because maybe if you were doing either or both we would not be going the route we are.
So I think Paul deserves respect for this.
We don't support tube sites any way but you have to understand that this is really pretty hard time for content producers.All that we produce to make profit is shared for free and our biz is close to die.
I think its everyones choise and I repeat I understand Pauls move.

We decided to focuse on custom production (which is hard to do now due to USD ratio) and our nonadult biz for some time and will see what happens.

Wish you luck Paul - you are sick-old-freak but still very respectable and honest man as you've always been.
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you all complain but not one person do anything about it.. its no wonder they DO IT.... they know you wont do nothing about it.. fuck you don't even have to spend $10k retainer on lawyer to find out who SITE X is, they are on all your fucking payrolls...

Sorry, I dont buy into this BS content producers are hurting for one second...
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Creative magic links created by a 90 year old dinosaur thinking that if it was placed this way, it would not be his fault and the GFYers and adult webmastering community would not blame him.

The sad part is that the old mother fucker tends to forget that we are the ones that pay monthly bandwidth bills, and we know what type of TBs these cocksuckers are going through, so they would not for ONE FUCKING SECOND send a surfer to a link unless the ad was paid for. Especially on a semi-high traffic site like that one.

It's called falt fee advertising. They have been paid, and my name isn't on the check. Who do you think signed it? fucking idiot.
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Who cares Paul will be dead in another year or so, whats he like 192 now?
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I wonder if your business isn't slow because of all the bad decisions you made, like this one just now.

Seriously, you seem to make 1 bad decision after another. You just lost all my respect and traffic because of your post.

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GFY needs to put the crackpipe down in regards to advertisers getting sued. It's never going to happen.

Advertisers play ZERO role in what gets posted to the infringing website. They MIGHT be helping them to stay open, but that is virtually impossible to prove since there could be other sources of income for the site or even just operating at a loss until buyout.

Contributory infringement would actually be for the tube site itself since the direct infringer would be the surfer who uploaded it.
That's what Fred Goldman is doing, Bt's were giving away the OJ book he has the legal rights to. His lawyer we cant stop them from giving it away but they can do it from the poor house. They win it sets precedent the house of cards will fall.
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I wonder if your business isn't slow because of all the bad decisions you made, like this one just now.

Seriously, you seem to make 1 bad decision after another. You just lost all my respect and traffic because of your post.

Unfortunately for you Paul, there is more than a grain of truth in this comment. You've alienated people for years, and what it seems to boil down to is that your arrogant defense of how great your business was run doesn't seem to hold water, if you're resorting to this sort of thing.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about making money, I simply don't think that you're going to realize the income or profit from this arrangement that you are betting on seeing.
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That's what Fred Goldman is doing, Bt's were giving away the OJ book he has the legal rights to. His lawyer we cant stop them from giving it away but they can do it from the poor house. They win it sets precedent the house of cards will fall.
Ya Fred Goldman will stop em. Seriously so if you stop torrents or tubes what next? Ever hear of FIOS ? Next will be a group of people sharing files via msn messenger or yahoo. Person to person a few hours if that to send a full dvd once fiber becomes the standard. Enough with the naive and wasted effort of trying to stop this shit post theft. THE ONLY WAY to stop piracy is to keep the content from being stolen in the first place. This means industry wide changes. This means the content we give out must be rented not owned by the member. People with the big money need to unite together to come up with a solution. Newsgroups got stopped right? lol
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Ya Fred Goldman will stop em. Seriously so if you stop torrents or tubes what next? Ever hear of FIOS ? Next will be a group of people sharing files via msn messenger or yahoo. Person to person a few hours if that to send a full dvd once fiber becomes the standard. Enough with the naive and wasted effort of trying to stop this shit post theft. THE ONLY WAY to stop piracy is to keep the content from being stolen in the first place. This means industry wide changes. This means the content we give out must be rented not owned by the member. People with the big money need to unite together to come up with a solution. Newsgroups got stopped right? lol
newsgroups dont depend on ads.
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Well one way or another nobody promotes Paul program so he have nothing to lose.
The reason I never promoted him is because I often saw him posting things that seemed to show that he did not respect his affiliates.
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so basically its is everyone else's fault that drove him to this point.

blame society.

if only we all bought more content or send more traffic to his site, well boo-fucking-hoo.

did he ever think that if he didn't ostracize people in his posts more people would have?

its his decision though. showing respect to him because he came forward and admitted what he is doing is bullshit though.
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it looks like all of these tube sites are generating a lot of freeloaders. i can't see them making much money or the sponsers that support them. Sponsers seeing a big increase in their bandwidth bill & less sales would be no surprise - burn baby burn
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why on earth would anyone not see this as a step forward? Wouldn't everyone want them to list content given to them by sponsors and not stolen?

Regardless of the length of videos they show, which has NOTHING to to with it, this is a new affiliate for PM and if they stopped all together using stolen content and worked with sponsors to use content provided than this is a step forward isn't it?
If anyone thinks youtube sites are not here to stay then you are in for a rough few years. They are here to stay and I see this as a possitive step forward.
not going to happen.

1. you are trusting theives. bad move, you going to get fucked.
2. If the illegal tube site went to all sponsor approved content it would be a site full of short videos. Then they would lose market share to other illegal tube sites that show full length videos. The length of the video does matter. You not going to find many sponsors if any who are going to approve the use of their videos that are more than a couple minutes long.
3. Shap (Twistys) already tried to work with redtube and they screwed him.
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not going to happen.

1. you are trusting theives. bad move, you going to get fucked.
2. If the illegal tube site went to all sponsor approved content it would be a site full of short videos. Then they would lose market share to other illegal tube sites that show full length videos. The length of the video does matter. You not going to find many sponsors if any who are going to approve the use of their videos that are more than a couple minutes long.
3. Shap (Twistys) already tried to work with redtube and they screwed him.
1. Yes I agree, which is why I wouldnt deal with them

2. Things are changing, if they are willing to pay for the b/w then there is no reason why full length movies isnt a legitimate marketing tool. Those webmasters who think they are competing with you tube sites are dead in the water this year. you tubes are not going anywhere. The argument about the length of videos is outdated and wrong. It is the same argument as 3 years ago saying tgp's give away to much content

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1. Yes I agree, which is why I wouldnt deal with them

2. Things are changing, if they are willing to pay for the b/w then there is no reason why full length movies isnt a legitimate marketing tool. Those webmasters who think they are competing with you tube sites are dead in the water this year. you tubes are not going anywhere. The argument about the length of videos is outdated and wrong. It is the same argument as 3 years ago saying tgp's give away to much content

3. See 1)
A full length scene will never be a good marketing tool. Once the load is blown,buying a membership become not necessary.This is porn not cookies we are selling.
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Paul Markham is one of the very few sponsors we don't promote...
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Paul Markham is one of the very few sponsors we don't promote...
I'm in the same boat as Paul....
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1. Yes I agree, which is why I wouldnt deal with them

2. Things are changing, if they are willing to pay for the b/w then there is no reason why full length movies isnt a legitimate marketing tool. Those webmasters who think they are competing with you tube sites are dead in the water this year. you tubes are not going anywhere. The argument about the length of videos is outdated and wrong. It is the same argument as 3 years ago saying tgp's give away to much content

3. See 1)
So you are saying that a tube site with hour long videos is going to be just as popular as one with 2 min videos?

Or are you saying that sponsors giving away full length video clips is not going to hurt sales to their sites but instead help them get more sales ? (picture and video membership sites not cam,dating, etc..)

I dont think it is the same arguement, with tgps / mgps people were worried about giving away too much, with full length videos you are not giving away " too much" you are giving it all away.

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I dont think it is the same arguement, with tgps / mgps people were worried about giving away too much, with full length videos you are not giving away " too much" you are giving it all away.
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Anyone who wants to put their money where their mouth is and buy some content or send some traffic can flame us or even change our way of thinking. Those who choose not to buy or send traffic are part of the reason we had no options.

Yes this is my last word on this.
OK, Hold on one fucking minute.

If a newb came in here saying her was going to work with a Tube site because no one is sending his TGP traffic and he just can't make it we would flame the idiot...

Why is it different for Paul?

You are a tool! You are basically saying we should do deals with you out of the goodness of our hearts? WTF? That isn't how business works, bro!
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Great reply Paul, I have never promoted your sites or bought content from you, and now there's absolutely no chance I ever will.

Keep up the good work!
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Magic join links, mysterious make believe surfers writing letters, and now a big fuck you to affiliates and content customers ....

It just keeps getting better.
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Old 02-19-2008, 05:32 PM   #93
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So you are saying that a tube site with hour long videos is going to be just as popular as one with 2 min videos?

Or are you saying that sponsors giving away full length video clips is not going to hurt sales to their sites but instead help them get more sales ? (picture and video membership sites not cam,dating, etc..)

I dont think it is the same arguement, with tgps / mgps people were worried about giving away too much, with full length videos you are not giving away " too much" you are giving it all away.
Correct...before tgp's came along our conversions were great. We learnt to adapt/accept them and the drop in conversions, but the upside was we could generate a truckload more traffic and still make the $$. Now with tube sites just giving absolutely everything away, and if as Paul has done we all decide to join them our conversions will be massively less than tgp's.

The only possible way this can work for everyone is if all tube sites as a group institute a 1-2 minute long maximum rule for the vids. Then we could all work with them as Paul is doing. But for now they are not and Paul is being a complete dick....
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It looks more like redtube missed that - they were supposed to include their aff code there, but forgot. If Paul bought the spot, it would be just linked directly to the .com domain.
Good point, but then again they could have linked it like that to hide the usage.

But bottom line, if he didn't really buy the spot...he's still letting them send traffic.
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Paul the reason you are doing this as you admit is because you are a failure. One of the reasons for that is that you are like a village idiot when you post and your work is only ok at best while you act like you are the best. Well in the end you tried but failed and now are forced to be a scum supporter of stolen content sites...LOL Good Luck with that dude..
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Paul says here something funny
http://www.gfy.com/13790643-post61.html
This on the issue that webcams.com runs a tubesite

Seems he is more sneaky then i thought.

Paul, this is how you do business?
You are a JOKE!!!!!
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Very sad I had alot of respect for him.
did you ever think that if you spent all the time you spend crying and worrying about other peoples business on doing something productive you wouldn't be so unsuccessful? you're probably going to get offended, but if you listen to my advice and try it sometime you will make a lot more money.
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http://www.gfy.com/13790643-post61.html
This on the issue that webcams.com runs a tubesite
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did you ever think that if you spent all the time you spend crying and worrying about other peoples business on doing something productive you wouldn't be so unsuccessful? you're probably going to get offended, but if you listen to my advice and try it sometime you will make a lot more money.
What are you talking about, what do you know about what I make and what I dont make?
Also sorry unless you work in cave others actions affect your business.
What do you think caused the loss of paypal, amex and down to a 1% cb ratio. People doing whatever the fuck they wanted and no one feeling it was there place to bring it up. Well all those things affected all our businesses not just theirs.
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