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Shap · 10-09-2002, 10:50 AM

It seems that Joel has pissed off more than his share of people on this board and in our industry. I think it's time people know what a scumbag this guy is.

I've got a BOOK i can write on this guy.

I wouldn't know where to start. Here are a few:

-He use to double cross Jeff and Gavin by giving people higher % on the busty amateurs revshare in exchange for traffic to his webmaster resource site. I'm sure Jeff and Gavin had no idea about that.

- he loved using his BA power and threatening to close accounts. When you called him on his bluff and said "Go ahead close it" he'd say no but watch yourself. I'm sure a few old webmasters will know what I'm talking about.

- When BA closed he had the webmaster list that he was shopping around. It was funny how he was shopping it around for 4 or 5 different prices. Lying to every single prospective buyer.

- He thought that if he got daizie to call me I'd melt and hand over the domain. That's an insult of my intelligence.

- He's continually tried to get us to stop promoting his main competition -- BigNaturals and Scoreland. Both of those sites are very solid and are money in the bank. Joel has done nothing but try to run down their name to us. Bringing up ludicrous claims and made up a number of lies regarding them.

- From posts and emails I've read he treats every webmaster like shit and is two faced with everyone. The minute you turn your back he is talking shit about you and trying to make a buck by exposing you.

I've got a bunch more. I thought these would get the ball rolling. So let's hear your Joel story.

J.R. · 10-09-2002, 10:52 AM

This thread is way out of line!

Shap · 10-09-2002, 10:58 AM

I think it is very appropriate today

If you are such an angel you have nothing to worry about.

I can just picture Joel sending out a mass email to all his webmasters

"If any of you post on Shap's thread I'll CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT and keep your money. If you don't post I'll let you meet my FRIENDS Daizie and Aria in vegas

"

Fire up that mass webmaster emailer Joel

DrewKole · 10-09-2002, 11:00 AM

I like shap and his partner.

Gary · 10-09-2002, 11:01 AM

I love the cock

Fletch XXX · 10-09-2002, 11:02 AM

You've been served.

TDF · 10-09-2002, 11:02 AM

I know his buttons from Florida sucked..and Aria looked really unhappy at the booth promoting a NATURAL boobs site and she has freshly cut ones

jas1552 · 10-09-2002, 11:02 AM

I signed up to Want Boobs using epoch a while back and submitted one gallery and one avs site as a test. You know those "Join Now for $7.95" links all over the front page? Half of them took my user id out of the links when clicked. That's damn near 50% shave. I got no sign ups btw. My link code was something like wantboobs.com/8/index.html and then when you got to the signup page my userid would replace the 8. Well a week or so later i went back to look at my gallery, followed the link and saw that the /8/ no longer went to my userid, but someone else's.

TaDoW · 10-09-2002, 11:04 AM

Personally, I just want to know what the fuck drove Jeff into insanity...

scoreman · 10-09-2002, 11:11 AM

- When BA closed he had the webmaster list that he was shopping around. It was funny how he was shopping it around for 4 or 5 different prices. Lying to every single prospective buyer.

This one happened to us. There are always two sides to any story and I am sure Joel's perspective on this one is that he was dealing with all potential buyers straightup, but I was left with the distinct feeling we were not treated well and were just a tool to make Truecash ante up higher.

SleazyDream · 10-09-2002, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by J.R.
This thread is way out of line!

wa wa wa

Honeyslut · 10-09-2002, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
I love the cock

Unzip the pants, baby !

AdultWebGraphics · 10-09-2002, 11:15 AM

I have no idea about your guys past with Joel but I have been doing work for him for about a 1 1/2 years and not once have I had any bad dealings with him.

We tells me what he wants I do it and always get paid. Its been
like that since day one.

I will admit sometimes he does like to stick his foot in his mouth on GFY and I dont know why but overall I have had no negative business deals with him ever.

jreaka · 10-09-2002, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by toodamnfli
I know his buttons from Florida sucked..and Aria looked really unhappy at the booth promoting a NATURAL boobs site and she has freshly cut ones

Are yours real Barney?

SleazyDream · 10-09-2002, 11:16 AM

lesson - don't badmouth snake and shap.

ever

Gary · 10-09-2002, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
lesson - don't badmouth snake and shap.

ever

Can we badmouth you though? Cause, you know, the sun cant rise unless were taking shots at you. hehe

SleazyDream · 10-09-2002, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary

Can we badmouth you though? Cause, you know, the sun cant rise unless were taking shots at you. hehe

you wouldn't say anything bad about me after I let your goat much on my chicken when we sat beside each other on the airplane would you?

Gary · 10-09-2002, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

you wouldn't say anything bad about me after I let your goat much on my chicken when we sat beside each other on the airplane would you?

touche

boneprone · 10-09-2002, 11:21 AM

i fucked em

RockDaddy · 10-09-2002, 11:22 AM

After reading the "hosted gallery" post I entered the thread full intending to promote them but after seeing how it turned out, changed my mind.

It's one thing to have a disagreement with someone, even confusion regarding the templates but threatening to not pay and changing his password to FORCE him to contact them because the webmaster didn't want to.

well... that's EXTORTION

Not cool and not someone I would want to do business with.

I'll never understand why these people hire photographers, graphic designers, programmers, etc.. but don't recognize the importance of a good professional, trained PR person.

RD

SleazyDream · 10-09-2002, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
i fucked em

Joel or the party goat?

snowpimp · 10-09-2002, 11:26 AM

god shap, don't even get me started.....
yan

TDF · 10-09-2002, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jreaka

Are yours real Barney?

believe me...you want absolutely no qualms with me..and im definitely not the one for talk

p.s. party goat will be making an appearance in Vegas..here is your chance to take a flick with the living legend! Brought to you by Pr0 Farms!

Wizzo · 10-09-2002, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TaDoW
Personally, I just want to know what the fuck drove Jeff into insanity...

Jesus...

Frankie · 10-09-2002, 11:52 AM

I've had nothing but mutually beneficial biz type relationship with Joel.

He sends me $$ and I send him quality custom amateur content. what more could I ask for?

Sly_RJ · 10-09-2002, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by toodamnfli

Brought to you by Pr0 Farms!

SleazyDream · 10-09-2002, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Frankie
I've had nothing but mutually beneficial biz type relationship with Joel.

He sends me $$ and I send him quality custom amateur content. what more could I ask for?

hummm - interesting that was yoru FIRST post on GFY.

Bobo · 10-09-2002, 11:58 AM

The two ppl that have had good relations with him are his website designer and content provider. Makes sense.

Sly_RJ · 10-09-2002, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

hummm - interesting that was yoru FIRST post on GFY.

I wouldn't fuck with Frankie. I've heard nothing but good about him and his photography.

boneprone · 10-09-2002, 01:23 PM

Joel is on the Jesus Dialer VIP list.
He gets 15% off on all his calls.

Snake Doctor · 10-09-2002, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toodamnfli
I know his buttons from Florida sucked..and Aria looked really unhappy at the booth promoting a NATURAL boobs site and she has freshly cut ones

WTF??? Aria got a boob job? That would be like a crime against humanity......

Sly_RJ · 10-09-2002, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toodamnfli
I know his buttons from Florida sucked..and Aria looked really unhappy at the booth promoting a NATURAL boobs site and she has freshly cut ones

She was just on Howard a couple weeks ago, I could have sworn she said they were real.

Fletch XXX · 10-09-2002, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

She was just on Howard a couple weeks ago, I could have sworn she said they were real.

She deny that fisting video if we had not the proof.

Sleepy · 10-09-2002, 04:27 PM

There are 2 fisting videos.. one was shot by another photog and not released at her request.

jimmy3way · 10-09-2002, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RockDaddy

I'll never understand why these people hire photographers, graphic designers, programmers, etc.. but don't recognize the importance of a good professional, trained PR person.

Hahahahaha Right The FUCK On dude, I totally agree!

As for Joel, I've known the cat for a long time and he's been a straight shooter with me as long as I can recall. He taught me a decent amount about this business when I was just starting out.

As for this other stuff, these guys are bigger fish than I and I knwo Boss and Shap and those guys are straight shooters too, and fair as a motherfucker so I'd ahev to say this is probably a personal dispute that doesn't belong here.

So if any of you guys are LOOKING for a PR guy to keep you stinky shit in the outhouse...well you can always ICQ me.

Mr.Fiction · 10-09-2002, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

hummm - interesting that was yoru FIRST post on GFY.

Frankie is cool. He's one of the people that fucked up AG tried to illegally take down a while back. He fights back.

SleazyDream · 10-09-2002, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Frankie is cool. He's one of the people that fucked up AG tried to illegally take down a while back. He fights back.

i never said he wasn't cool - I said that it was an interesting first post. look at the number of posts beside his name.

TeraBabes · 10-09-2002, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
I love the cock

Why does this ALWAYS make me laugh?

Audra Mitchell · 10-09-2002, 07:04 PM

I would like to start by saying that this Shap person makes
me sick.

I have known Joel since my first shoot with busty amateurs
several years ago. he was nice to me when jeff and gavin
were being rude.

we recently, months back, become friends again after
an amount of time that I was not shooting.

joel paid to setup my new site which i am very greatful about.
oh, when Jeff and I went to dinner once in 2000 or 1999, anyways
he told me that he owed Joel alot for all his work in running busty amateurs.

this is my thoughts!

AM

quiet · 10-09-2002, 07:12 PM

i'll vouch for both shap and frankie. both are straight shooters.

Shap · 10-09-2002, 07:48 PM

Thanks Quiet! I agree, Frankie is a stand up guy. We've done business with him in the past, and will most definitely be doing business in the future

One thing that I find funny is that only a few established webmasters have stuck up for Joel. Other then that he had to call up a dumb stripper to post in his defense.

Welcome to the board Audra, allow me to be the first to tell you GO FUCK YOURSELF!

P.s. Audra, I am sorry if I make you sick... to which address may I mail you a BigBreastLovers.com barf bag?

Squishy · 10-09-2002, 08:04 PM

My name is also Joel, and this thread caused me to panic.

Fire · 10-09-2002, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Audra Mitchell
I would like to start by saying that this Shap person makes
me sick.

I have known Joel since my first shoot with busty amateurs
several years ago. he was nice to me when jeff and gavin
were being rude.

we recently, months back, become friends again after
an amount of time that I was not shooting.

joel paid to setup my new site which i am very greatful about.
oh, when Jeff and I went to dinner once in 2000 or 1999, anyways
he told me that he owed Joel alot for all his work in running busty amateurs.

this is my thoughts!

AM

So Joel is now impersonating strippers to try and save what little of his reputation is salvageable?

JR 9/23/200 4:07 PM i am setting up my TGP. www.audrasboobs.com not online yet though, will use the X-3 script. Will be a TGP hosted by Audra Mitchell, actually us though..lol

from the now infamous ICQ log http://www.want-boobs.com/icqlog.txt

SleazyDream · 10-09-2002, 08:34 PM

if you don't have support - FAKE IT!

Bobo · 10-09-2002, 08:38 PM

It's all about the cock. For the love of the cock.

Shap · 10-09-2002, 08:40 PM

Good one Fire

We should start a Joel Impersonation Pool. Which model will he register for the board and pretend to be next?

Here are the current Odds Courtesy of BonePronel

5:1 Mariah Lynn
59:1 Trinity
99:1 Butter
230:1 Erica Rose
456:1 Daizie
980:1 Aria

Get your bets in now!

Audra Mitchell · 10-09-2002, 08:57 PM

to clarify, joel runs the site. i do not know very much
about sites so i cannot do it by myself.

and i am not a stripper, since you seem to be unfriendly, i will
gladly leave this bbs now.

Fire · 10-09-2002, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Audra Mitchell

and i am not a stripper, since you seem to be unfriendly, i will
gladly leave this bbs now.

Forgive us.. I guess "nude model" is a little classier sounding in your ears!

I wonder how many times Audra(Joel) will leave this thread?

Shap · 10-09-2002, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Forgive us.. I guess "nude model" is a little classier sounding in your ears!

I wonder how many times Audra(Joel) will leave this thread?

FIRE You Rock! hahahah

DTK · 10-09-2002, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shap
Good one Fire

We should start a Joel Impersonation Pool. Which model will he register for the board and pretend to be next?

Here are the current Odds Courtesy of BonePronel

5:1 Mariah Lynn
59:1 Trinity
99:1 Butter
230:1 Erica Rose
456:1 Daizie
980:1 Aria

Get your bets in now!

Sure hope it isnt Erica....she was always my favorite. Damn, what a bod!

10-09-2002, 10:50 AM	#1
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Post your Bad Experience With Joel It seems that Joel has pissed off more than his share of people on this board and in our industry. I think it's time people know what a scumbag this guy is. I've got a BOOK i can write on this guy. I wouldn't know where to start. Here are a few: -He use to double cross Jeff and Gavin by giving people higher % on the busty amateurs revshare in exchange for traffic to his webmaster resource site. I'm sure Jeff and Gavin had no idea about that. - he loved using his BA power and threatening to close accounts. When you called him on his bluff and said "Go ahead close it" he'd say no but watch yourself. I'm sure a few old webmasters will know what I'm talking about. - When BA closed he had the webmaster list that he was shopping around. It was funny how he was shopping it around for 4 or 5 different prices. Lying to every single prospective buyer. - He thought that if he got daizie to call me I'd melt and hand over the domain. That's an insult of my intelligence. - He's continually tried to get us to stop promoting his main competition -- BigNaturals and Scoreland. Both of those sites are very solid and are money in the bank. Joel has done nothing but try to run down their name to us. Bringing up ludicrous claims and made up a number of lies regarding them. - From posts and emails I've read he treats every webmaster like shit and is two faced with everyone. The minute you turn your back he is talking shit about you and trying to make a buck by exposing you. I've got a bunch more. I thought these would get the ball rolling. So let's hear your Joel story.

10-09-2002, 11:02 AM	#6
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10-09-2002, 11:02 AM	#7
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	I know his buttons from Florida sucked..and Aria looked really unhappy at the booth promoting a NATURAL boobs site and she has freshly cut ones __________________ Sig heil

10-09-2002, 11:02 AM	#8
jas1552 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Land of the free, home of the brave Posts: 1,462	I signed up to Want Boobs using epoch a while back and submitted one gallery and one avs site as a test. You know those "Join Now for $7.95" links all over the front page? Half of them took my user id out of the links when clicked. That's damn near 50% shave. I got no sign ups btw. My link code was something like wantboobs.com/8/index.html and then when you got to the signup page my userid would replace the 8. Well a week or so later i went back to look at my gallery, followed the link and saw that the /8/ no longer went to my userid, but someone else's. Last edited by jas1552; 10-09-2002 at 11:03 AM..

10-09-2002, 11:04 AM	#9
TaDoW Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Where It Rains Posts: 3,875	Personally, I just want to know what the fuck drove Jeff into insanity... __________________ -TaDoW I've Upped My Standards, Up Yours!

10-09-2002, 10:52 AM	#2
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	This thread is way out of line!

10-09-2002, 10:58 AM	#3
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	I think it is very appropriate today If you are such an angel you have nothing to worry about. I can just picture Joel sending out a mass email to all his webmasters "If any of you post on Shap's thread I'll CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT and keep your money. If you don't post I'll let you meet my FRIENDS Daizie and Aria in vegas " Fire up that mass webmaster emailer Joel

10-09-2002, 11:00 AM	#4
DrewKole Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 5,193	I like shap and his partner.

10-09-2002, 11:01 AM	#5
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	I love the cock

10-09-2002, 11:11 AM	#10
scoreman Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 1,491	- When BA closed he had the webmaster list that he was shopping around. It was funny how he was shopping it around for 4 or 5 different prices. Lying to every single prospective buyer. This one happened to us. There are always two sides to any story and I am sure Joel's perspective on this one is that he was dealing with all potential buyers straightup, but I was left with the distinct feeling we were not treated well and were just a tool to make Truecash ante up higher. __________________

10-09-2002, 11:15 AM	#13
AdultWebGraphics Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 980	I have no idea about your guys past with Joel but I have been doing work for him for about a 1 1/2 years and not once have I had any bad dealings with him. We tells me what he wants I do it and always get paid. Its been like that since day one. I will admit sometimes he does like to stick his foot in his mouth on GFY and I dont know why but overall I have had no negative business deals with him ever.

10-09-2002, 11:16 AM	#15
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	lesson - don't badmouth snake and shap. ever __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

10-09-2002, 11:21 AM	#19
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	i fucked em __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

10-09-2002, 11:22 AM	#20
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	After reading the "hosted gallery" post I entered the thread full intending to promote them but after seeing how it turned out, changed my mind. It's one thing to have a disagreement with someone, even confusion regarding the templates but threatening to not pay and changing his password to FORCE him to contact them because the webmaster didn't want to. well... that's EXTORTION Not cool and not someone I would want to do business with. I'll never understand why these people hire photographers, graphic designers, programmers, etc.. but don't recognize the importance of a good professional, trained PR person. RD

10-09-2002, 11:26 AM	#22
snowpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: South Lake Tahoe, CA Posts: 1,099	god shap, don't even get me started..... yan __________________ HIGH QUALITY ADULT AND NON-ADULT DESIGN/MARKETING WORK SINCE 1997!! Yan - ICQ # 4790444 - Phone: 530-544-7058 SIGNS, GRAPHICS & PRINTING ~ NETWORKING AND IT SERVICES

10-09-2002, 11:52 AM	#25
Frankie Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 1	I've had nothing but mutually beneficial biz type relationship with Joel. He sends me $$ and I send him quality custom amateur content. what more could I ask for?

10-09-2002, 11:58 AM	#28
Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	The two ppl that have had good relations with him are his website designer and content provider. Makes sense.

10-09-2002, 01:23 PM	#30
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Joel is on the Jesus Dialer VIP list. He gets 15% off on all his calls. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

10-09-2002, 04:27 PM	#34
Sleepy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Porn Peddler Posts: 679	There are 2 fisting videos.. one was shot by another photog and not released at her request.

10-09-2002, 07:04 PM	#39
Audra Mitchell Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10	I would like to start by saying that this Shap person makes me sick. I have known Joel since my first shoot with busty amateurs several years ago. he was nice to me when jeff and gavin were being rude. we recently, months back, become friends again after an amount of time that I was not shooting. joel paid to setup my new site which i am very greatful about. oh, when Jeff and I went to dinner once in 2000 or 1999, anyways he told me that he owed Joel alot for all his work in running busty amateurs. this is my thoughts! AM __________________ <a href="http://www.audrasboobs.com"><img src="http://audrasboobs.com/images/ab-120x60-2.gif"></a>Audra's New TGP</a> Last edited by Audra Mitchell; 10-09-2002 at 07:06 PM..

10-09-2002, 07:12 PM	#40
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	i'll vouch for both shap and frankie. both are straight shooters.

10-09-2002, 07:48 PM	#41
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Thanks Quiet! I agree, Frankie is a stand up guy. We've done business with him in the past, and will most definitely be doing business in the future One thing that I find funny is that only a few established webmasters have stuck up for Joel. Other then that he had to call up a dumb stripper to post in his defense. Welcome to the board Audra, allow me to be the first to tell you GO FUCK YOURSELF! P.s. Audra, I am sorry if I make you sick... to which address may I mail you a BigBreastLovers.com barf bag?

10-09-2002, 08:04 PM	#42
Squishy Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hiding from you. Posts: 1,809	My name is also Joel, and this thread caused me to panic.

10-09-2002, 08:34 PM	#44
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	if you don't have support - FAKE IT! __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

10-09-2002, 08:38 PM	#45
Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	It's all about the cock. For the love of the cock.

10-09-2002, 08:40 PM	#46
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Good one Fire We should start a Joel Impersonation Pool. Which model will he register for the board and pretend to be next? Here are the current Odds Courtesy of BonePronel 5:1 Mariah Lynn 59:1 Trinity 99:1 Butter 230:1 Erica Rose 456:1 Daizie 980:1 Aria Get your bets in now!

10-09-2002, 08:57 PM	#47
Audra Mitchell Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10	to clarify, joel runs the site. i do not know very much about sites so i cannot do it by myself. and i am not a stripper, since you seem to be unfriendly, i will gladly leave this bbs now. __________________ <a href="http://www.audrasboobs.com"><img src="http://audrasboobs.com/images/ab-120x60-2.gif"></a>Audra's New TGP</a>