Simple question about FlixPro On2 VP6 - converting to flv - pls help - GoFuckYourself.com

VIPimp · 03-16-2008, 06:25 PM

I am playing with On2's Flix Pro software to convert WMV files to FLV...
And using the VP6 tab in there & putting the VP6 Quality and Sharpness options on the max settings, I am getting much better flv's than when I use other programs or ffmpeg for example.

Is there any downside to using this? Like is there anything that needs to be on the server where these end up being played or anything on ppl's computers that are viewing the vids?

I am wondering why wouldnt somone use this over all the other converters, as the quality and low file size beats everything I have tried so far.

Thank You.

Jim_Gunn · 03-16-2008, 06:35 PM

Well you have to pay for that program for one. A lot of webmasters get way with using freeware video tools, especially if they aren't always working with original hi-res source footage like an original content producer usually does. It's the ON2 VP6 codec that makes the output superior to those other options like server side scripts which use a different version codec of Flash to convert already compressed clips that the webmaster might have. I have used Flix Pro's app, but one can also get good output with Sorenson Squeeze and the VP6 codec. The end user experiences it as Flash, no issues.

Fucksakes · 03-16-2008, 06:37 PM

I use Sorenson Squeeze, not sure if you care or not lol

Fucksakes · 03-16-2008, 06:38 PM

www.ultrasexsamples.com/ you can see some videos there that I did using Sorenson Squeeze and the on2 vp6 codec.

VIPimp · 03-16-2008, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Well you have to pay for that program for one. A lot of webmasters get way with using freeware video tools, especially if they aren't always working with original hi-res source footage like an original content producer usually does. It's the ON2 VP6 codec that makes the output superior to those other options like server side scripts which use a different version codec of Flash to convert already compressed clips that the webmaster might have. I have used Flix Pro's app, but one can also get good output with Sorenson Squeeze and the VP6 codec. The end user experiences it as Flash, no issues.

Thanks... I'm going to download the demo of sorenson squeeze and try that out as well.

VIPimp · 03-16-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fucksakes

www.ultrasexsamples.com/ you can see some videos there that I did using Sorenson Squeeze and the on2 vp6 codec.

Those look great... going to download and try that out.

VIPimp · 03-16-2008, 07:02 PM

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VIPimp · 03-16-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fucksakes

www.ultrasexsamples.com/ you can see some videos there that I did using Sorenson Squeeze and the on2 vp6 codec.

Is this what you use: http://www.sorensonmedia.com/pages/?pageID=3 which is $199+$100 for the vp6.

VIPimp · 03-16-2008, 07:09 PM

Sorenson doesnt have any demo or trial download?

Jim_Gunn · 03-16-2008, 07:29 PM

Sorenson does have a demo of an older version last time I checked. not sure if they updated their site to offer a trial on the newest version I have 4.5, I believe. Sorenson still can't add watermarks during the encoding process still however, I keep asking support to add that feature!

react · 03-16-2008, 08:37 PM

On2 VP6 requires Flash 8+ on the client side.

VIPimp · 03-16-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by react

On2 VP6 requires Flash 8+ on the client side.

ok... is it pretty common for everyone to have that version of flash now days or ?

react · 03-16-2008, 10:20 PM

Reasonably, yep.

http://www.adobe.com/products/player...netration.html

The only other consideration is encoding time, VP6 takes roughly twice as long to encode as Spark.

VIPimp · 03-16-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by react

Reasonably, yep.

http://www.adobe.com/products/player...netration.html

The only other consideration is encoding time, VP6 takes roughly twice as long to encode as Spark.

Cool thanks.

VP6 is much better... I just got the same file size with Sorenon using VP6 that I got with ffmpeg but the video is much better.

VIPimp · 03-16-2008, 10:51 PM

Can one of you guys answer this for me, I am now using SORENSON VP6...

I want the vids to playback the best on my site for the surfer, so is it better for me to use....
1. 2-PASS CBR or 2-PASS ABR
2. Key Frame every 300 or 45 frames. and frame rate set to 1:1 for either right?

and for extra credit... 3. its best I maintain Aspect Ratio or have it unconstrained?

Data rate I'm prolly having it at 768 Kbps

Thank you in advance. once i know about the above 3 then I think I am good to go.

Jim_Gunn · 03-17-2008, 08:26 AM

VIPimp, I doubt that you even need to do 2-pass. I normally use 1 pass CBR to make it encode quicker for all my encoding jobs. Always use a frame rate 1:1 for any encoding job; the key frames you can experiment with but I doubt you will be able to tell the difference; and the settings on the aspect ratio constrained or not will not matter either.

VIPimp · 03-17-2008, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

VIPimp, I doubt that you even need to do 2-pass. I normally use 1 pass CBR to make it encode quicker for all my encoding jobs. Always use a frame rate 1:1 for any encoding job; the key frames you can experiment with but I doubt you will be able to tell the difference; and the settings on the aspect ratio constrained or not will not matter either.

Thank you Jim

03-16-2008, 06:25 PM	#1
VIPimp Marina WILL have my babies! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,234	Simple question about FlixPro On2 VP6 - converting to flv - pls help I am playing with On2's Flix Pro software to convert WMV files to FLV... And using the VP6 tab in there & putting the VP6 Quality and Sharpness options on the max settings, I am getting much better flv's than when I use other programs or ffmpeg for example. Is there any downside to using this? Like is there anything that needs to be on the server where these end up being played or anything on ppl's computers that are viewing the vids? I am wondering why wouldnt somone use this over all the other converters, as the quality and low file size beats everything I have tried so far. Thank You.

03-16-2008, 06:35 PM	#2
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	Well you have to pay for that program for one. A lot of webmasters get way with using freeware video tools, especially if they aren't always working with original hi-res source footage like an original content producer usually does. It's the ON2 VP6 codec that makes the output superior to those other options like server side scripts which use a different version codec of Flash to convert already compressed clips that the webmaster might have. I have used Flix Pro's app, but one can also get good output with Sorenson Squeeze and the VP6 codec. The end user experiences it as Flash, no issues. Last edited by Jim_Gunn; 03-16-2008 at 06:37 PM..

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VIPimp Marina WILL have my babies! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,234	----------- Last edited by VIPimp; 03-16-2008 at 07:03 PM..

03-16-2008, 07:09 PM	#9
VIPimp Marina WILL have my babies! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,234	Sorenson doesnt have any demo or trial download? Last edited by VIPimp; 03-16-2008 at 07:11 PM..

03-16-2008, 08:37 PM	#11
react Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NZ Posts: 673	On2 VP6 requires Flash 8+ on the client side. __________________ -- react

03-16-2008, 06:37 PM	#3
Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	I use Sorenson Squeeze, not sure if you care or not lol

03-16-2008, 06:38 PM	#4
Fucksakes Shit... Fuck! What the Hell? Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,567	www.ultrasexsamples.com/ you can see some videos there that I did using Sorenson Squeeze and the on2 vp6 codec.

03-16-2008, 07:29 PM	#10
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	Sorenson does have a demo of an older version last time I checked. not sure if they updated their site to offer a trial on the newest version I have 4.5, I believe. Sorenson still can't add watermarks during the encoding process still however, I keep asking support to add that feature!

03-16-2008, 10:20 PM	#13
react Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NZ Posts: 673	Reasonably, yep. http://www.adobe.com/products/player...netration.html The only other consideration is encoding time, VP6 takes roughly twice as long to encode as Spark. __________________ -- react

03-16-2008, 10:51 PM	#15
VIPimp Marina WILL have my babies! Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 9,234	Can one of you guys answer this for me, I am now using SORENSON VP6... I want the vids to playback the best on my site for the surfer, so is it better for me to use.... 1. 2-PASS CBR or 2-PASS ABR 2. Key Frame every 300 or 45 frames. and frame rate set to 1:1 for either right? and for extra credit... 3. its best I maintain Aspect Ratio or have it unconstrained? Data rate I'm prolly having it at 768 Kbps Thank you in advance. once i know about the above 3 then I think I am good to go.

03-17-2008, 08:26 AM	#16
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	VIPimp, I doubt that you even need to do 2-pass. I normally use 1 pass CBR to make it encode quicker for all my encoding jobs. Always use a frame rate 1:1 for any encoding job; the key frames you can experiment with but I doubt you will be able to tell the difference; and the settings on the aspect ratio constrained or not will not matter either.