Webmasters in the industry 5 years plus: Poll - GoFuckYourself.com

Allison · 03-18-2008, 04:11 PM

If you've been in the industry for over 5 years, quick question for you. Do you put as much, more or less effort into your business currently as you did 5 years ago?

dready · 03-18-2008, 04:12 PM

More now.

Intervader · 03-18-2008, 04:13 PM

Less because alot of the grunt work was already done and now is more maintenance

03-18-2008, 04:13 PM

More now to be honest. I'm hoping to break the cycle in a few years though.

baddog · 03-18-2008, 04:15 PM

Has to be more. I used to work for myself, now I have customers I have to be concerned with.

Allison · 03-18-2008, 04:17 PM

Interesting results so far. We, sponsor programs, often think we have to do more work for the webmaster than we used to, but maybe that's b/c the webmaster has to do more than they used to.

~Alli

kristin · 03-18-2008, 04:17 PM

I think the work is different now. Five years ago I was learning the industry. Four years ago I was helping build EGC. So there was a lot of grunt work as one person said, but keeping sales going, maintenance, etc has never gone away.

There is always the same amount of work if not more if you want to succeed. It's just the different forms of work have changed over the years.

I'm sure most people spend less time to submitting to TGPs today, but I bet there is more time spent trying to optimize campaigns than five years ago.

Barefootsies · 03-18-2008, 04:17 PM

Tricky question.

I would say more now ONLY because I am investing in larger new projects, separate from those I was doing 5 years ago.

On my main adult ventures, I invest much LESS time on the whole now, then 5, or even 1 or 2 years ago. More of it is streamlined, automated through scripts, and I have found a formula more a less to keep the money rolling. i.e. less experimentation.

the Shemp · 03-18-2008, 04:17 PM

i work less now, but that's because they turn the lights off early at the home...

Jace · 03-18-2008, 04:17 PM

definitely more

I have way more branches on the tree than I did when I started

notoldschool · 03-18-2008, 04:39 PM

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more time now adays. If could turn back the clocks.

SHANESWORLD · 03-18-2008, 04:43 PM

i do alot more now with my personal stuff aside from the program. a lot more effort. its paying off.

Fletch XXX · 03-18-2008, 04:43 PM

i started last month, gonna be rich!!!

WiredGuy · 03-18-2008, 04:44 PM

Definitely a lot more now. About 2 years ago was nice and easy and almost entirely automated. Now, i'm lucky if I just do 12 hours a day.
WG

JFK · 03-18-2008, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kristin

I think the work is different now. Five years ago I was learning the industry. Four years ago I was helping build EGC. So there was a lot of grunt work as one person said, but keeping sales going, maintenance, etc has never gone away.

There is always the same amount of work if not more if you want to succeed. It's just the different forms of work have changed over the years.

I'm sure most people spend less time to submitting to TGPs today, but I bet there is more time spent trying to optimize campaigns than five years ago.

NICE Cigar

OY · 03-18-2008, 04:48 PM

Allison,

I would have liked to see one more option: Smarter effort

Violetta · 03-18-2008, 04:51 PM

4 years... Much less now!

Peaches · 03-18-2008, 04:54 PM

I picked "less effort" because adult is a very small part of business.

However, based on what I've seen if I was doing adult 100% I'd be putting in a lot more effort - especially compared to the golden days in the late 90's and 2000-2001 where a simple AltaVista then Yahoo then DMOZ/AOL listing could easily bring in $1000's a day.

SomeCreep · 03-18-2008, 04:55 PM

mucho mas

Drake · 03-18-2008, 05:12 PM

more now

Trixxxia · 03-18-2008, 05:38 PM

My personal stuff (as a webmaster) - takes way more effort to make the same and on somethings less income than it did 5 years ago because the dynamics of what I did then weren't working as well anymore so I had to modify, the adult business changed, there is more competition, niches are diluted, there are different channels of competition too now and this is, in my opinion would be the reason for it.

Trixie · 03-18-2008, 05:41 PM

I probably work about the same amount, but focus my efforts on different things than I did five years ago. While I know more now and am more efficient, that skill & knowledge would have been a lot more profitable to me five-eight years ago.

Sometimes it's like running to stand still.

HAPPYPEEKERS · 03-18-2008, 05:49 PM

More for sure

StarkReality · 03-18-2008, 05:53 PM

More, since less can become dangerous pretty fast in an industry moving and changing at incredible speed

SBJ · 03-18-2008, 06:14 PM

a lot more nowdays back then I was just a free site guy and I made tgps and traffic trades daily but now I run a lot of paysites and deal with a lot more work daily..

Allison · 03-18-2008, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oystein

Allison,

I would have liked to see one more option: Smarter effort

Agreed, although I hope a lot of that goes without saying. Now the next question is if all the extra effort is paying off or just to stay in the game.

~Alli

Robbie · 03-18-2008, 07:28 PM

Always more. You guys know how it is. Once you get one aspect mastered and are able to free up an hour or so of time...you must fit in something else into that free time. I can't stand to not work more hours. Every moment spent working is a moment spent exponentially increasing income. At least for me.

AmateurPornDollars · 03-18-2008, 08:22 PM

I have to agree with the majority on this one. More.

mattz · 03-18-2008, 08:32 PM

much less

Fizzgig · 03-18-2008, 08:40 PM

It's a tough call but I said more.

LAJ · 03-18-2008, 08:43 PM

I put a lot more effort into my business than I did 5 years ago. But that's not to say I slacked off back then. My responsibilities and my earnings are much higher now.

signupdamnit · 03-18-2008, 08:45 PM

Five years ago : More work now.

Ten Years ago: FAR more work now.

Iron Fist · 03-18-2008, 09:33 PM

As much or more.... work smarter not harder

AmeliaG · 03-18-2008, 09:35 PM

I'm a workaholic anyway, but it definitely takes more effort and more out-of-the-box effort to make the same dough. Still beats the magazine biz.

MandyBlake · 03-18-2008, 10:27 PM

much more...cuz i know more

CDSmith · 03-18-2008, 10:38 PM

This business allowed me to retire from my old job. The idea wasn't to create a new one, it was to work my way OUT of one.

So I said less. Otherwise what's the point?

Rochard · 03-18-2008, 10:41 PM

I've been doing this since 1999. It's now 10:40pm PST and I'm still at it - since 8am this morning.

Tat2Jr · 03-18-2008, 10:48 PM

Been sitting at my desk since early 1997. I keep thinking the weekend is coming up soon, but it never does.

Jel · 03-18-2008, 10:57 PM

8 months shy of 5 years, but less work now.

Pornwolf · 03-19-2008, 12:54 AM

Working smarter. More diversified.

Thurbs · 03-19-2008, 02:48 AM

so much more .. probably online 14 hours a day min these days .. its all for the affiliates

Gunni · 03-19-2008, 03:09 AM

I picked less, but I don't really know if it is less or just more fun now.
Fortunately the gallery days are behind me now, I hated making and submitting galleries...

dennisthemenace · 03-19-2008, 03:18 AM

I work less than when I started. My life off the net situation is way different or I'd probably work the same.

majortom · 03-19-2008, 03:29 AM

much less..but maybe smarter...the learning curve was hard and passionating -18 hours days for 3 years.
Now since 2 years I reap the rewards.
Just been spending the afternoon at a deserted beach...the white immaculate sand was making creaking sounds...a little bit like fresh snow...

JimmiDean · 03-19-2008, 03:47 AM

Far more

DutchTeenCash · 03-19-2008, 03:52 AM

more but different work no gruntwork

V_RocKs · 03-19-2008, 03:56 AM

I do just as much only I do it smarter... I taught myself PHP/MYSQL and basic design + HTML and CSS.. So before I would hand create shit and now I just put it into a DB and do some htaccess tricks to have the server do shit in real time.

fastboy · 03-19-2008, 04:15 AM

More now

ravo · 03-19-2008, 06:59 AM

Definitely more now.

TheLegacy · 03-19-2008, 07:06 AM

I've been at this for over 13 years now - and I would say more effort. What tends to happen after a while is that if you do not keep yourself fresh and out there - your easily forgotten and shadowed by those trying to make a name for themselves. Since the industry turn-over is high and new webmasters show up - your name, reputation and business is "new" to many.

View Poll Results: Do you put as much, more or less effort into your business as you did 5 years ago?
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03-18-2008, 04:11 PM	#1
Allison Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: http://www.topbucks.com Posts: 2,068	Webmasters in the industry 5 years plus: Poll If you've been in the industry for over 5 years, quick question for you. Do you put as much, more or less effort into your business currently as you did 5 years ago? __________________ Allison President TopBucks.com\| PinkVisual.com\| [email protected] Follow Me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/PV_Alli ICQ: 120353154 Check out PVLocker.com

03-18-2008, 04:12 PM	#2
dready Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 5,247	More now. __________________ ICQ: 91139591

03-18-2008, 04:13 PM	#3
Intervader Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 242	Less because alot of the grunt work was already done and now is more maintenance __________________ Business Development VR/Game/Web [email protected]

03-18-2008, 04:17 PM	#6
Allison Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: http://www.topbucks.com Posts: 2,068	Interesting results so far. We, sponsor programs, often think we have to do more work for the webmaster than we used to, but maybe that's b/c the webmaster has to do more than they used to. ~Alli __________________ Allison President TopBucks.com\| PinkVisual.com\| [email protected] Follow Me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/PV_Alli ICQ: 120353154 Check out PVLocker.com

03-18-2008, 04:13 PM	#4
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	More now to be honest. I'm hoping to break the cycle in a few years though.

03-18-2008, 04:15 PM	#5
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	Has to be more. I used to work for myself, now I have customers I have to be concerned with.

03-18-2008, 04:17 PM	#7
kristin GOO! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Back Home : ) Posts: 9,768	I think the work is different now. Five years ago I was learning the industry. Four years ago I was helping build EGC. So there was a lot of grunt work as one person said, but keeping sales going, maintenance, etc has never gone away. There is always the same amount of work if not more if you want to succeed. It's just the different forms of work have changed over the years. I'm sure most people spend less time to submitting to TGPs today, but I bet there is more time spent trying to optimize campaigns than five years ago. __________________ Vacares rules. "Usually only fat guys have the kind of knowledge and ability that Kristin has."

03-18-2008, 04:17 PM	#8
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	Tricky question. I would say more now ONLY because I am investing in larger new projects, separate from those I was doing 5 years ago. On my main adult ventures, I invest much LESS time on the whole now, then 5, or even 1 or 2 years ago. More of it is streamlined, automated through scripts, and I have found a formula more a less to keep the money rolling. i.e. less experimentation. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

03-18-2008, 04:17 PM	#9
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	i work less now, but that's because they turn the lights off early at the home... __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

03-18-2008, 04:17 PM	#10
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	definitely more I have way more branches on the tree than I did when I started

03-18-2008, 04:39 PM	#11
notoldschool Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,687	WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more time now adays. If could turn back the clocks. __________________ No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture. -- Learned Hand http://www.bjpenn.com

03-18-2008, 04:43 PM	#12
SHANESWORLD Eric Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 577	i do alot more now with my personal stuff aside from the program. a lot more effort. its paying off. __________________ SHANES WORLD ONLINE! - BETA IN 11 DAYS!

03-18-2008, 04:43 PM	#13
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	i started last month, gonna be rich!!! __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

03-18-2008, 04:44 PM	#14
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,469	Definitely a lot more now. About 2 years ago was nice and easy and almost entirely automated. Now, i'm lucky if I just do 12 hours a day. WG __________________ I play with Google.

03-18-2008, 04:48 PM	#16
OY Industry Pioneer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA/EU/ASIA Posts: 5,401	Allison, I would have liked to see one more option: Smarter effort __________________ Around since 1997, and the company that introduced "Cascading Billing" in MPA3® Affiliate Management and Tracking Software Outsourcing With A Norwegian Twist - NordBits - Inquire within!

03-18-2008, 04:51 PM	#17
Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	4 years... Much less now! __________________ M&A Queen

03-18-2008, 04:54 PM	#18
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	I picked "less effort" because adult is a very small part of business. However, based on what I've seen if I was doing adult 100% I'd be putting in a lot more effort - especially compared to the golden days in the late 90's and 2000-2001 where a simple AltaVista then Yahoo then DMOZ/AOL listing could easily bring in $1000's a day.

03-18-2008, 04:55 PM	#19
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	mucho mas __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

03-18-2008, 05:12 PM	#20
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	more now

03-18-2008, 05:38 PM	#21
Trixxxia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 5,600	My personal stuff (as a webmaster) - takes way more effort to make the same and on somethings less income than it did 5 years ago because the dynamics of what I did then weren't working as well anymore so I had to modify, the adult business changed, there is more competition, niches are diluted, there are different channels of competition too now and this is, in my opinion would be the reason for it.

03-18-2008, 05:41 PM	#22
Trixie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: near Seattle, WA Posts: 1,850	I probably work about the same amount, but focus my efforts on different things than I did five years ago. While I know more now and am more efficient, that skill & knowledge would have been a lot more profitable to me five-eight years ago. Sometimes it's like running to stand still. __________________ WebWhoreBucks: Girls, a guy and a tranny -- unique indie porn!

03-18-2008, 05:49 PM	#23
HAPPYPEEKERS Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Margaritaville Posts: 7,559	More for sure __________________ Please Read All Of My Posts In A Sarcastic Tone So You Get The Full Effect!! HappyPeekers - April

03-18-2008, 05:53 PM	#24
StarkReality Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Posts: 4,444	More, since less can become dangerous pretty fast in an industry moving and changing at incredible speed

03-18-2008, 06:14 PM	#25
SBJ So Fucking Fabulous Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 11,374	a lot more nowdays back then I was just a free site guy and I made tgps and traffic trades daily but now I run a lot of paysites and deal with a lot more work daily.. __________________ Chaturbate - Make tons of money from Cams! *Name Silo - Domains under $9 and free ID protect*

03-18-2008, 07:28 PM	#27
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Always more. You guys know how it is. Once you get one aspect mastered and are able to free up an hour or so of time...you must fit in something else into that free time. I can't stand to not work more hours. Every moment spent working is a moment spent exponentially increasing income. At least for me. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

03-18-2008, 08:22 PM	#28
AmateurPornDollars Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 17	I have to agree with the majority on this one. More. __________________ Amateur Porn Dollars

03-18-2008, 08:32 PM	#29
mattz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: AZ Posts: 7,697	much less

03-18-2008, 08:40 PM	#30
Fizzgig Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: In Your Dreams Posts: 9,649	It's a tough call but I said more. __________________ ---'-,-{@ Sassy Grrrl @}-'-,---

03-18-2008, 08:43 PM	#31
LAJ Gingerific Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Austin Posts: 5,567	I put a lot more effort into my business than I did 5 years ago. But that's not to say I slacked off back then. My responsibilities and my earnings are much higher now. __________________ YNOT.com - The original industry resource email jay at ynot dot com or skype LAJConsulting

03-18-2008, 08:45 PM	#32
signupdamnit Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,697	Five years ago : More work now. Ten Years ago: FAR more work now. __________________ You don't like my posts? Put me on ignore or fuck right off. I'll say what I want.

03-18-2008, 09:33 PM	#33
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	As much or more.... work smarter not harder __________________ i like waffles

03-18-2008, 09:35 PM	#34
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,553	I'm a workaholic anyway, but it definitely takes more effort and more out-of-the-box effort to make the same dough. Still beats the magazine biz. __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

03-18-2008, 10:27 PM	#35
MandyBlake The one and only! Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 17,761	much more...cuz i know more __________________ Mandy's Playhouse Her First Fat Girl If you're interested in promoting my sites, ICQ me! 178411921

03-18-2008, 10:38 PM	#36
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	This business allowed me to retire from my old job. The idea wasn't to create a new one, it was to work my way OUT of one. So I said less. Otherwise what's the point? __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634