Kard63

GO HIL

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TurboAngel

I can't wait till next month as we vote here in NC.

baddog

How do you figure "do or die?"

The Ghost

Not quite the words, but here

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baddog

I think it is a given that she will win PA. Doesn't really matter though as neither candidate is going to end up with enough by convention time.

However, I will agree, losing PA would be a problem, but she would have to commit murder in the next few hours for that to happen.

Kard63

If she wins by 5% or 6% she has lost the chance to win the nomination. If she wins by 8% shit stays about the same but she doesn't gain much momentum and she is running out of time. If she wins by 11% she has a good case at making the argument that she has the momentum and the super delegates should support her.

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Corona

Hillary has already lost.

She has zero chance and yet pride will not allow her to do the right thing and quit.

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Kard63

Look hahahahahaha lover, hilary has the best chance of winning the states the dems need (Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania) in the general election. Non-dems like her more than the darky but thats ok. You bitter ass liberal faggots nominate the most liberal person in the senate 2 times in a row and see what it gets you

Hil would get 2 of those 3 states. Obama might only get 1.

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LiveDose

She will never go away.

She's like herpes...

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baddog

Doesn't really matter either way.

DaddyHalbucks

The reality is Hillary is every bit as liberal as Obama, she just hides it better.

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Tom_PM

Someone tell the new england patriots that losing can be spun into a win.

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Corona

You are correct. Either one will beat McBush.

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Kard63

hilary ftw

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GetSCORECash

Candidate # of votes % of total # of delegates
Hillary Clinton 1,148,600 54.79% 52
Barack Obama 947,730 45.21% 46

It's a tie when it comes, to the the whole election. but atleast hillary got the 10% win that the pundits were saying she needed inorder to not call it quits.

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Kard63

What do you mean its a tie? She can't get the most delegates. She needs momentum and hype to convince super delegates to vote for her. There is no other way for her to win. I would say this helped.

GO HILLARY!!!!

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GetSCORECash

She got the momentum, but this won't be decided untill the convention.

Her only hope now is that Edwards, finally get's of the sidelines and picks Hillary.

This will be decided by the super delegates, and those flip-flopers aren't going to vote for her. The best hope for the democratic party at this point is for Obama and Clinton to unite. I know that after all that has happened it will be hard for them to do so, but it's the only way that we can win.

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dynastoned

i don't want that crazy bitch running shit let alone my country.

kane

I'm not sure it really matters for her. She is down by around 15 points in N. Carolina and will probably get beat bad there in a couple of weeks so everything she gains now she will most likely lose in a couple of weeks.

I can't see her winning the nomination. I think when it comes down to is Obama will have more delegates and will have gotten more total votes and many super delegates will give him their vote because of that. It would be hard to explain to the party how the person that had fewer delegates and fewer total votes is the better candidate.

I'm not sure it really matters though. I think Hilliary would lose to McCain. Obama would have a better chance, but it would be very close.

Tempest

The last poll data (for all that's really worth) I heard about said that Hillary vs. McCain would be very tight but that she'd probably win.. By comparison, Obama vs. McCain would have a much higher gap.. either way.. either he'd blow out McCain or he'd get slaughtered... In other words, they just don't know when it comes to Obama.... I know which way I'd rather go if I was voting..

kane

This is a pretty cool site with all kinds of data. They take many different polls and list them all then make an average of them all.

Here is McCain V Clinton last updated yesterday. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...inton-224.html It shows McCain, but by less than a point so it is very close.

Here is Obama V McCain updated yesterday http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...obama-225.html
Also very close with Obama ahead.

The reason I think Hillary would lose to him is that the Christian right don't like McCain and there is a good chance they won't support him - unless he is going against Hilary. They may not like McCain, but they hate the Clintons so there is a decent chance they would support McCain and that would mean Hillary now would have to find a way to activate the far left which is a difficult thing to do.

The Christian right might not jump to McCain's support if he is going against Obama. If you you factor in that (potential) loss of support with the fact that Obama could get black people and young people out to vote (two groups that tend to stay home on election day) it gives him a better chance.

Either way I imagine it will be close. If it is McCain V Clinton I think it could be one of the ugliest, dirtiest campaigns we have ever seen. Both candidates have been around forever and have many skeletons in the closet if the mud starts to fly there could be a lot of ammo for both groups.

Corona

It's going to be Obama vs McCain and it will be very dirty.

Karl Rove is already starting with the "Uppity Negro" attacks and it is only going to get worse.

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Tempest

But... as shown by tonights results (and others), Obama doesn't get the catholic/christian vote, Hillary does.. Hilary also does better with rural america... Both of which tend to go republican.. So she has a better chance at eroding that support away from McCain..

As for the youth vote, it's been shown time and time again that they may be vocal now, but they don't usually show up when it counts... Even "Obama girl" didn't show up to vote for him when it counted.

Obama also doesn't do well with the Latino vote.

Obama vs McCain will be far uglier than Clinton vs Obama.. It will be a dirty racist type campaign and that will do far more damage than a sexist type camaign.

kane

No matter which candidate it is it will be ugly. McCain has wanted to be president for a long time. He has tried and failed before and this is his shot. He has already proven that he will now say and do anything to get elected so I'm sure he will get out a shovel and sling that mud.

That said Obama hasn't been around as long as either of them so there is just less shit to dig up on him. They can and will play the race card, but I think that might actually help Obama because it could activate the far left and get them to come to his defense. Hillary vs McCain would be two candidates with loads of shit on each other flinging freely.

I do agree that the young talk a good game then don't vote. look at the last election. Kerry bragged about how he registered a record number of first time voters the he expected them to carry him to the white house, but in the end they stayed home on election day. Bill Clinton was the last candidate to really get the youth motivated and get them out to vote. It remains to be seen if any of these candidates are going to be able to do that.

baddog

Who knows, maybe they will pull that inexperienced card instead. I can just see them bringing that ugly fact up.


Damned skeletons.

Drake

You have to factor in that many people don't like "change" even though they claim they do and it's naive to believe Obama can achieve all that "change". Baby boomers may not want to risk potentially shaking up their lives dramatically, even if that risk is more perception than reality. Even if he is genuine, the President doesn't have the power for such sweeping changes. McCain may be old and may have some skeletons but he's a known entity with a long history in politics. Whatever 'dirt' they dig up on him will not be new. He has stuck to his pro-war position from day one (showing he's not politically expedient), he has more crossover appeal than Bush or any of the former Republican candidates, he's a vet (no doubt lending him some 'patriot' support), and he's arguably better on economic issues (the costs of war aside).

It's just another thing to consider. Who knows, maybe Hillary will be the one to pull it off depending on how the superdelegates vote. I don't put much stock into polls done so far in advance. So many things change.

kane

They already are. What I meant by that is that they will have to go after him for other things since he hasn't been in Washington that long so there is less potential dirt available to throw on him than the other candidates.