Google Analytics and Network of sites Question (SEO) - GoFuckYourself.com

qxm · 05-04-2008, 03:55 PM

The answer to the following question might be obvious for some of u experts however, it isn't for me... here we go:

If you have a G. analytics acc. and you put the tracking code in all of your sites (which may be in dif. IPs and interlinked) do you think that placing such codes in all of your domains will affect the way google ranks the sites? I am thinking that by putting the analytics tracking code in all of my sites I'm pretty much disclosing my game plan to google.... what do you guys think?

PS.
No I'm not trying to spam the big G! (at least not as bad as some of u .. lol)

d-null · 05-04-2008, 04:06 PM

one would think that google can and may use any data that they have available to them, if not today, maybe tomorrow.....

thought I was ok with temporarily parking some sites that I was going to move around hosts, google noticed and figured out they were parked, and they banned and deindexed them, and that just happened this week, so any answer you get on this might be valid today but google can do whatever they want whenever they want

fluffygrrl · 05-04-2008, 04:07 PM

If you give it, they'll use it.

qxm · 05-04-2008, 04:11 PM

mmmm interesting answers. .. yes very interesting. I was thinking about that for a long time, I mean putting ur sites in google analytics means giving all of ur info to the big G... guess I'll have to move on to a diff traffic tracking sys....... any suggestions????

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-04-2008, 04:11 PM

why is everyone so anal and thinking google is there to hurt their business? just fucking do it... only way you should be worried is if you're doing shady shit.. and if so, stop.

u-Bob · 05-04-2008, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qxm

I am thinking that by putting the analytics tracking code in all of my sites I'm pretty much disclosing my game plan to google....

what you said

d-null · 05-04-2008, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaysin

why is everyone so anal and thinking google is there to hurt their business? just fucking do it... only way you should be worried is if you're doing shady shit.. and if so, stop.

google isn't interested in hurting or not hurting your business

they are interested in the integrity of their search engine results.... his question was an SEO linking scheme, which is basically intended to artificially boost the relevance of his sites, which goes against the intentions of google's algorithm, so to think that it is a case of google not wanting to hurt your linking scheme, you should really be looking at it from google's perspective, in that your linking scheme is intending to hurt the serp integrity

baddog · 05-04-2008, 04:25 PM

I would not disclose that information to them. They are a company, not your friend.

The image they portray is not all that accurate, it is just great marketing. http://blog.v7n.com/2007/01/31/googl...ding-strategy/

Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE · 05-04-2008, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjet

google isn't interested in hurting or not hurting your business

they are interested in the integrity of their search engine results.... his question was an SEO linking scheme, which is basically intended to artificially boost the relevance of his sites, which goes against the intentions of google's algorithm, so to think that it is a case of google not wanting to hurt your linking scheme, you should really be looking at it from google's perspective, in that your linking scheme is intending to hurt the serp integrity

so hes trying to do shady shit, gotcha.

DirtyProfits · 05-04-2008, 04:56 PM

If you are using the same whois information on all domains they probably know all your domains anyway I think.

baddog · 05-04-2008, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaysin

so hes trying to do shady shit, gotcha.

As far a g is concerned, any SEO would be considered "shady shit."

qxm · 05-04-2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

As far a g is concerned, any SEO would be considered "shady shit."

agreed

qxm · 05-04-2008, 05:17 PM

Regarding the posts above... I'm just figuring out a way to effectively interlink my sites (10 or so in 5 dif niches, 2 for each niche), I mean whats the point of having sites in dif IPs and Cblocks if you are telling google you own the sites?... doesn't make any sense.... if that is considered shady stuff then I have to say GFY is full of shady people! lol

WiredGuy · 05-04-2008, 05:37 PM

If I was Google, I would be mapping out a detailed architecture of who owns what based on that kind of information (analytics). Now chances of them actually using that info is slim at first. If you're a G spammer, then they might be more inclined to trace all your other sites as well, but I don't see a negative impact on your rankings unless you're trying to spam them.
WG

rowan · 05-04-2008, 09:36 PM

Google collects a lot of information, some of it minor, some of it major. Even if they're not doing it today, or as an automated process, you can be pretty sure that sooner or later all those little bits of information are going to be put together to reach a reasonable conclusion.

If you're at all concerned, then don't do it.

Don't give Google free marketing info either - install your own server side stats...

pr0 · 05-04-2008, 09:38 PM

rule #1 - when avoiding detection of any sort

never have a common theme

pretty simple

rowan · 05-04-2008, 09:45 PM

Here's some ways Google collects information about your sites and/or your personal (or business) habits

- google analytics
- adsense
- adwords
- gmail
- google search, with a long-held tracking cookie that gets presented for every search (and even if you delete it they could probably make a reasonable assumption that the search is still coming from you, or your computer)
- if you have PR enabled, google toolbar phones home for every URL your browser loads
- google answers
- google maps
- google books
- google calendar
- google finance
- google groups
- google pages (a bit like geocities for dummies)
- picasa
- youtube
- blogspot
- blogger
- google web accelerator (hey, send every single web object your browser fetches through us... it will be faster! we won't look! promise!)

Even small amounts of data can help - through data matching - with the bigger picture.

pr0 · 05-04-2008, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

Here's some ways Google collects information about your sites and/or your personal (or business) habits

- google analytics
- adsense
- adwords
- gmail
- google search, with a long-held tracking cookie that gets presented for every search (and even if you delete it they could probably make a reasonable assumption that the search is still coming from you, or your computer)
- if you have PR enabled, google toolbar phones home for every URL your browser loads
- google answers
- google maps
- google books
- google calendar
- google finance
- google groups
- google pages (a bit like geocities for dummies)
- picasa
- youtube
- blogspot
- blogger
- google web accelerator (hey, send every single web object your browser fetches through us... it will be faster! we won't look! promise!)

Even small amounts of data can help - through data matching - with the bigger picture.

would you please stop just giving out free information to the masses?

remember, we work in an industry where information is $.....and you're like the tube site of seo information right now

i still love ya man, but quit it!

d-null · 05-04-2008, 09:47 PM

wow, just looking at your sig link.....

"236 IPs spread across 4 unique C classes "

the gaming of google's algorithm is serious business

rowan · 05-04-2008, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0

would you please stop just giving out free information to the masses?

remember, we work in an industry where information is $.....and you're like the tube site of seo information right now

i still love ya man, but quit it!

I'm being a Google hater right now, I gotta start being a webmaster.

wanted · 05-04-2008, 10:18 PM

Of course Google will know

If you have the Googlebar installed too, it can gets to understand which sites you own.

Google doesn't rely on luck but facts.

pr0 · 05-04-2008, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjet

wow, just looking at your sig link.....

"236 IPs spread across 4 unique C classes "

the gaming of google's algorithm is serious business

that package is sufficient for most people

myself, i have in the high x,xxx ip's spread all over the world

make sure to come into my xxxblackbook stats post tomorrow....I'll show you gaming

05-04-2008, 04:06 PM	#2
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	one would think that google can and may use any data that they have available to them, if not today, maybe tomorrow..... thought I was ok with temporarily parking some sites that I was going to move around hosts, google noticed and figured out they were parked, and they banned and deindexed them, and that just happened this week, so any answer you get on this might be valid today but google can do whatever they want whenever they want __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

05-04-2008, 04:11 PM	#4
qxm Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NoHo Posts: 5,970	mmmm interesting answers. .. yes very interesting. I was thinking about that for a long time, I mean putting ur sites in google analytics means giving all of ur info to the big G... guess I'll have to move on to a diff traffic tracking sys....... any suggestions???? __________________ ICQ: 266990876

05-04-2008, 05:17 PM	#13
qxm Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NoHo Posts: 5,970	Regarding the posts above... I'm just figuring out a way to effectively interlink my sites (10 or so in 5 dif niches, 2 for each niche), I mean whats the point of having sites in dif IPs and Cblocks if you are telling google you own the sites?... doesn't make any sense.... if that is considered shady stuff then I have to say GFY is full of shady people! lol __________________ ICQ: 266990876

05-04-2008, 05:37 PM	#14
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,481	If I was Google, I would be mapping out a detailed architecture of who owns what based on that kind of information (analytics). Now chances of them actually using that info is slim at first. If you're a G spammer, then they might be more inclined to trace all your other sites as well, but I don't see a negative impact on your rankings unless you're trying to spam them. WG __________________ I play with Google.

05-04-2008, 09:38 PM	#16
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05-04-2008, 03:55 PM	#1
qxm Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NoHo Posts: 5,970	Google Analytics and Network of sites Question (SEO) The answer to the following question might be obvious for some of u experts however, it isn't for me... here we go: If you have a G. analytics acc. and you put the tracking code in all of your sites (which may be in dif. IPs and interlinked) do you think that placing such codes in all of your domains will affect the way google ranks the sites? I am thinking that by putting the analytics tracking code in all of my sites I'm pretty much disclosing my game plan to google.... what do you guys think? PS. No I'm not trying to spam the big G! (at least not as bad as some of u .. lol) __________________ ICQ: 266990876

05-04-2008, 04:07 PM	#3
fluffygrrl So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,187	If you give it, they'll use it.

05-04-2008, 04:11 PM	#5
Bro Media - BANNED FOR LIFE MOBILE PORN: IMOBILEPORN Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Tinseltown NL Posts: 16,502	why is everyone so anal and thinking google is there to hurt their business? just fucking do it... only way you should be worried is if you're doing shady shit.. and if so, stop.

05-04-2008, 04:25 PM	#8
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	I would not disclose that information to them. They are a company, not your friend. The image they portray is not all that accurate, it is just great marketing. http://blog.v7n.com/2007/01/31/googl...ding-strategy/

05-04-2008, 04:56 PM	#10
DirtyProfits Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,885	If you are using the same whois information on all domains they probably know all your domains anyway I think.

05-04-2008, 09:36 PM	#15
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Google collects a lot of information, some of it minor, some of it major. Even if they're not doing it today, or as an automated process, you can be pretty sure that sooner or later all those little bits of information are going to be put together to reach a reasonable conclusion. If you're at all concerned, then don't do it. Don't give Google free marketing info either - install your own server side stats...

05-04-2008, 09:45 PM	#17
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Here's some ways Google collects information about your sites and/or your personal (or business) habits - google analytics - adsense - adwords - gmail - google search, with a long-held tracking cookie that gets presented for every search (and even if you delete it they could probably make a reasonable assumption that the search is still coming from you, or your computer) - if you have PR enabled, google toolbar phones home for every URL your browser loads - google answers - google maps - google books - google calendar - google finance - google groups - google pages (a bit like geocities for dummies) - picasa - youtube - blogspot - blogger - google web accelerator (hey, send every single web object your browser fetches through us... it will be faster! we won't look! promise!) Even small amounts of data can help - through data matching - with the bigger picture.

05-04-2008, 09:47 PM	#19
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	wow, just looking at your sig link..... "236 IPs spread across 4 unique C classes " the gaming of google's algorithm is serious business __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

05-04-2008, 10:18 PM	#21
wanted Certified Asshole Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In front of my laptop. Posts: 896	Of course Google will know If you have the Googlebar installed too, it can gets to understand which sites you own. Google doesn't rely on luck but facts. __________________ Living the dream.