What makes you think Mccain or Clinton is a better candidate the Obama. - GoFuckYourself.com

notoldschool · 05-19-2008, 06:10 PM

I am all ears.

tony286 · 05-19-2008, 06:16 PM

I dont think either are.

Socks · 05-19-2008, 06:17 PM

I think Hillary is a better candidate, for the same reason you think LL Cool J is a better rapper than Kool G Rap, for instance.

GO OBAMA!!!!

IllTestYourGirls · 05-19-2008, 06:19 PM

not much of a difference. But Obama is the better choice.

Eriic · 05-19-2008, 06:22 PM

At least Hillary is a cocksucker and she knows it

Tempest · 05-19-2008, 06:30 PM

They have real experience and they're not naive.. With them, their experience is what prevents them from being naive unlike Obama who you have to trust isn't naive... IMO Clinton is the best choice out of all 3....When it comes to rolling the dice, I'd rather go with someone who, even if they don't follow thru with everything, will still leave the country in at least the same condition.. I feel like there's more chance for damage to be done with Obama in charge.. McCain is a non starter for me. I used to think he was a decent guy but he keeps flip flopping around now. Hopefully the dems will get total control of both houses so it will offset having a shitty president.

But I'm Canadian so what does it matter what I think.. LOL.. I want the US to get back to the same financial situation it was back with Bill so I'm not losing money with the exchange rate.

notoldschool · 05-19-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

They have real experience and they're not naive.. With them, their experience is what prevents them from being naive unlike Obama who you have to trust isn't naive... IMO Clinton is the best choice out of all 3....When it comes to rolling the dice, I'd rather go with someone who, even if they don't follow thru with everything, will still leave the country in at least the same condition.. I feel like there's more chance for damage to be done with Obama in charge.. McCain is a non starter for me. I used to think he was a decent guy but he keeps flip flopping around now. Hopefully the dems will get total control of both houses so it will offset having a shitty president.

But I'm Canadian so what does it matter what I think.. LOL.. I want the US to get back to the same financial situation it was back with Bill so I'm not losing money with the exchange rate.

Obama has accomplished more in his time as a senator than Clinton. Mccain has accomplished making is freinds rich with shady deals.

aztecboi2003 · 05-19-2008, 07:15 PM

There white. Nuff said.

notoldschool · 05-19-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by therandee1

There white. Nuff said.

Actually white leaders are notorious for being more corrupt and immoral.

baddog · 05-19-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

Obama has accomplished more in his time as a senator than Clinton.

You care to back that up?

Tempest · 05-19-2008, 08:22 PM

I should clarify... I believe Clinton is the better choice for the dems simply because I feel that she has a better chance of beating McCain in Nov regardless of whether or not she's the better "person". If I was picking a person, I'd go with Obama... But the best person doesn't matter.. What matters is putting a dem in the white house in Nov.

David! · 05-19-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

Obama has accomplished more in his time as a senator than Clinton. Mccain has accomplished making is freinds rich with shady deals.

Obama has accomplished nothing. He is a clear and present danger to this country.
Unfortunately, the alternatives to Obama are not much better.

Sausage · 05-19-2008, 08:31 PM

Blacks vote for the black guy no matter what, half the democrat whites will vote for McCain rather than see the black guy in. Hillary has more chance of winning the election, but its obvious Obama will be the nominee.

McCain just needs to shut up, and not fall over too much to win the election. Obama comes across as weak tissue paper in a storm, and when push comes to shove many democrat voters will swap over. Obama and his big mouth wife are doing everything they can to lose... I mean anyone with half a brain knows tea and cookies with Iran is a pretty bad idea.

If McCain can just play it safe and give inexperienced Obama enough rope to hang himself its in the bag.

Tempest · 05-19-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

Obama has accomplished nothing.

Not true....

David! · 05-19-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Not true....

Oh yes, he has managed to resurrect racism accross America.

SirMoby · 05-19-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

Obama has accomplished more in his time as a senator than Clinton.

The stats would be interesting to see. I think Clinton has sponsored a few more bills and gotten a few more passed but she has been there longer.

Obama has done pretty well for such a junior senator but I think you're statement is difficult to debate.

SirMoby · 05-19-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

Obama has accomplished nothing.

Then why has Bush signed legislation that he wrote?

kane · 05-19-2008, 10:54 PM

FACT: You can never be 100% sure about what type of president a person will be until they are in the job and doing it for a little while. Our history shows that there have been presidents that went into the white house with a ton of so called experience and sucked. Carter was a Senator and a Governor so he had plenty of experience and he pretty much sucked. A guy named Abe Lincoln was pretty inexperienced when he got elected and he seemed to do ok for himself.

Now I'm not comparing Obama to Lincoln or McCain to Carter, I am just pointing out that you can't be 100% sure who will be a good president and who won't just based on their experience. Any of the three candidates could get in the white house and do an amazing job...or they could suck badly.

Being president is all about making good decisions and managing your staff correctly. The job is so large that they have to rely very heavily on their cabinet and advisers. Will they surround themselves with good people? And if they do will they actually listen to them? When it comes time to make a tough decision will they say to themselves, "Is this what is best for the country as a whole?" while they make that decision? Will they choose their battles wisely? Will they waste money doing something that benefits or impacts very few people or will they spend that money doing something that has a larger, more far reaching effect? Experience doesn't help make these choices that much easier. Sure, you may have some things in your past you can fall back on use as reference, but in the end you have to choose what is best for the country and until you have sat in the oval office that is something you have never done before.

Arguing the semantics of someone's experience is useless in this situation. What it boils down to is this. If something bad happens and our president has to decide on a course of action that will take us down a road we will have a very hard time turning back from, will they pick the correct road? It doesn't matter how many Senate votes you have been to. It doesn't matter how many bills you have written, argued, supported or opposed. It doesn't matter if you are white, black, a man or a woman. When the fate of the country rests on your shoulders will you do the right thing? When you have to make energy and economic policies that will effect real people's lives will you do what is best for the country? When you have to put in a judge or cabinet member or someone to head up a major agency will you pick the right person? It doesn't matter if you've served 50 years in the senate, it's not going to make any of these choices any easier.

In the end you can only guess at what type of a president someone will be. This is why incumbents are so hard to beat. Even if they are not very good, they are the known quantity and you know what you are getting where the new person is just that...new. You can look at a person's past and get an idea of what they may do, but you never can know for sure.

This election is a leap of faith because we will have two newbies gunning for the job. For every good thing they have done in their past that suggest they will be a good president, you will be able to find a bad thing that suggest they will be bad. What it comes down to really is what is the policies they lay out and say they will move forward. There is no guarantee they will actually do it, but what are they planning to do and do you agree or disagree with it. And how do they run their campaign. If they keep firing people and hiring bad people and have trouble controlling a campaign, do you want them making the big choices when they get in office or surrounding themselves with bad people there.

It is kind of like dating a new girl. You like how she looks, but you haven't spent much time with her. She could turn out to be perfect, she could turn out to be a raving lunatic. It's kind of a leap of faith.

Tempest · 05-19-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

Oh yes, he has managed to resurrect racism accross America.

Wrong again... Think you can get anything right?

uno · 05-19-2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

They have real experience and they're not naive.. With them, their experience is what prevents them from being naive unlike Obama who you have to trust isn't naive... IMO Clinton is the best choice out of all 3....When it comes to rolling the dice, I'd rather go with someone who, even if they don't follow thru with everything, will still leave the country in at least the same condition.. I feel like there's more chance for damage to be done with Obama in charge.. McCain is a non starter for me. I used to think he was a decent guy but he keeps flip flopping around now. Hopefully the dems will get total control of both houses so it will offset having a shitty president.

But I'm Canadian so what does it matter what I think.. LOL.. I want the US to get back to the same financial situation it was back with Bill so I'm not losing money with the exchange rate.

The gov't seems the best with opposition parties in exec and congress. Recent history would say dem in exec and repub in congress.

uno · 05-19-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You care to back that up?

I noticed you didn't include the mccain bit of that quote.

David! · 05-20-2008, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tempest

Wrong again... Think you can get anything right?

Yeah, I can get it right that you are an utopian waiting for the messiah to save you.
Get a life

notoldschool · 05-20-2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

Yeah, I can get it right that you are an utopian waiting for the messiah to save you.
Get a life

and you are a dumb white man who drives a tractor and thinks a guy in the sky is going to save you. Your point.

David! · 05-20-2008, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

and you are a dumb white man who drives a tractor and thinks a guy in the sky is going to save you. Your point.

Actually I am an intelligent white man who drives a BMW, is about to get a PhD, and is waiting on no one to save me.
Unlike you who thinks that Ron Paul is the savior and that Obama will be a good President; I realize that we are in for a tough ride and that our country is about to go down the drain even further.
Now move on and go pray to your Idol.

NETbilling · 05-20-2008, 07:48 AM

Something just creeps me out about McCain.

notoldschool · 05-20-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

Actually I am an intelligent white man who drives a BMW, is about to get a PhD, and is waiting on no one to save me.
Unlike you who thinks that Ron Paul is the savior and that Obama will be a good President; I realize that we are in for a tough ride and that our country is about to go down the drain even further.
Now move on and go pray to your Idol.

Yeah, i believe someone whos about to get his PHD has a screename of "pussyman" LOL.
I dont believe anyone is my savior or ever will be. Ive lived the life buddy. I wore the boots, I humped the trail, and I played the politics of war. I have and will be living quite nicely while you spend the next 50 years paying off your student loans. I dont need a savior as I am doing just fine. BTW this is not the 80's and having a BMW is no longer a status symbol. Its for fat balding men who cant get pussy. Thus naming yourself pussyman because of your insecurity.

CDSmith · 05-20-2008, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You care to back that up?

I'm hearing nothing but the chirping of crickets.

David! · 05-20-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool

Yeah, i believe someone whos about to get his PHD has a screename of "pussyman" LOL.
I dont believe anyone is my savior or ever will be. Ive lived the life buddy. I wore the boots, I humped the trail, and I played the politics of war. I have and will be living quite nicely while you spend the next 50 years paying off your student loans. I dont need a savior as I am doing just fine. BTW this is not the 80's and having a BMW is no longer a status symbol. Its for fat balding men who cant get pussy. Thus naming yourself pussyman because of your insecurity.

Dude get over it, you suck

Tempest · 05-20-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PussyMan

Yeah, I can get it right that you are an utopian waiting for the messiah to save you.
Get a life

That's all you can come up with? Oh great... another loser who's so filled with self loathing that all he can do is tear down others to make himself feel better... Either back up your statements with some facts or just crawl into your hole and STFU.

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Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	Blacks vote for the black guy no matter what, half the democrat whites will vote for McCain rather than see the black guy in. Hillary has more chance of winning the election, but its obvious Obama will be the nominee. McCain just needs to shut up, and not fall over too much to win the election. Obama comes across as weak tissue paper in a storm, and when push comes to shove many democrat voters will swap over. Obama and his big mouth wife are doing everything they can to lose... I mean anyone with half a brain knows tea and cookies with Iran is a pretty bad idea. If McCain can just play it safe and give inexperienced Obama enough rope to hang himself its in the bag. __________________ IW Skype : blance8888 Icq : 15567120

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I dont think either are.

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Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	I think Hillary is a better candidate, for the same reason you think LL Cool J is a better rapper than Kool G Rap, for instance. GO OBAMA!!!!

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Eriic So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,995	At least Hillary is a cocksucker and she knows it

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Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	They have real experience and they're not naive.. With them, their experience is what prevents them from being naive unlike Obama who you have to trust isn't naive... IMO Clinton is the best choice out of all 3....When it comes to rolling the dice, I'd rather go with someone who, even if they don't follow thru with everything, will still leave the country in at least the same condition.. I feel like there's more chance for damage to be done with Obama in charge.. McCain is a non starter for me. I used to think he was a decent guy but he keeps flip flopping around now. Hopefully the dems will get total control of both houses so it will offset having a shitty president. But I'm Canadian so what does it matter what I think.. LOL.. I want the US to get back to the same financial situation it was back with Bill so I'm not losing money with the exchange rate.

05-19-2008, 08:22 PM	#11
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	I should clarify... I believe Clinton is the better choice for the dems simply because I feel that she has a better chance of beating McCain in Nov regardless of whether or not she's the better "person". If I was picking a person, I'd go with Obama... But the best person doesn't matter.. What matters is putting a dem in the white house in Nov.

05-19-2008, 10:54 PM	#18
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	FACT: You can never be 100% sure about what type of president a person will be until they are in the job and doing it for a little while. Our history shows that there have been presidents that went into the white house with a ton of so called experience and sucked. Carter was a Senator and a Governor so he had plenty of experience and he pretty much sucked. A guy named Abe Lincoln was pretty inexperienced when he got elected and he seemed to do ok for himself. Now I'm not comparing Obama to Lincoln or McCain to Carter, I am just pointing out that you can't be 100% sure who will be a good president and who won't just based on their experience. Any of the three candidates could get in the white house and do an amazing job...or they could suck badly. Being president is all about making good decisions and managing your staff correctly. The job is so large that they have to rely very heavily on their cabinet and advisers. Will they surround themselves with good people? And if they do will they actually listen to them? When it comes time to make a tough decision will they say to themselves, "Is this what is best for the country as a whole?" while they make that decision? Will they choose their battles wisely? Will they waste money doing something that benefits or impacts very few people or will they spend that money doing something that has a larger, more far reaching effect? Experience doesn't help make these choices that much easier. Sure, you may have some things in your past you can fall back on use as reference, but in the end you have to choose what is best for the country and until you have sat in the oval office that is something you have never done before. Arguing the semantics of someone's experience is useless in this situation. What it boils down to is this. If something bad happens and our president has to decide on a course of action that will take us down a road we will have a very hard time turning back from, will they pick the correct road? It doesn't matter how many Senate votes you have been to. It doesn't matter how many bills you have written, argued, supported or opposed. It doesn't matter if you are white, black, a man or a woman. When the fate of the country rests on your shoulders will you do the right thing? When you have to make energy and economic policies that will effect real people's lives will you do what is best for the country? When you have to put in a judge or cabinet member or someone to head up a major agency will you pick the right person? It doesn't matter if you've served 50 years in the senate, it's not going to make any of these choices any easier. In the end you can only guess at what type of a president someone will be. This is why incumbents are so hard to beat. Even if they are not very good, they are the known quantity and you know what you are getting where the new person is just that...new. You can look at a person's past and get an idea of what they may do, but you never can know for sure. This election is a leap of faith because we will have two newbies gunning for the job. For every good thing they have done in their past that suggest they will be a good president, you will be able to find a bad thing that suggest they will be bad. What it comes down to really is what is the policies they lay out and say they will move forward. There is no guarantee they will actually do it, but what are they planning to do and do you agree or disagree with it. And how do they run their campaign. If they keep firing people and hiring bad people and have trouble controlling a campaign, do you want them making the big choices when they get in office or surrounding themselves with bad people there. It is kind of like dating a new girl. You like how she looks, but you haven't spent much time with her. She could turn out to be perfect, she could turn out to be a raving lunatic. It's kind of a leap of faith.