Sausage

I've taken a keen interest in the upcoming US elections, but one thing that really baffles me is how Ron Paul got sidelined? Smart, objective and with sound economic knowledge would have made him a much more powerful nominee than the bumbling McCain.

Did something happen, or was it just a case that the powers thought his ideas were too dangerous?

So curious I really need to know Been bugging me for a while.

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its a conspiracy, really

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I think he had/has a few major flaws.
These are in no specific order.

1. He is too radical. Everyone complains about wanting change, but very few people actually do want it. most people look around at their lives and if they have a decent house, a car and a decent job they are happy and they don't want to jeopardize that. you can do as Obama does and talk about change because his ideas are not too crazy, but Paul has some ideas that are little far out there for many.

2. A lot of people think he is full of shit. He can say anything he wants, but really he (and anyone running for president) is selling an ideal or a pipe dream. The president can say all they want about shutting down this and reforming that, but without the house and senate supporting them they aren't going to do much of anything. I think a lot of people see Paul's ideas as being unattainable.

3. I hate to say it, but he doesn't look the part. He looks like your grandfather. He looks like a guy you would want to talk to or go play bingo with, but not like a guy who runs the country. In the modern age looking the part is probably the single most important thing. You need look no further than Obama to see that. At the beginning of his campaign he didn't talk about any ideas or policies he would work on. he didn't take a stance on anything, but he spoke well and looks presidential and it made him a rock star.

4. This one might just be my own pet peeve, but his supporters are annoying. A friend of mine is a Paul supporter and whenever we start talking about political problems he pipes in and lets us know that Paul would fix that. They make it seem like Paul can and will do everything and he will make the government run better than it ever has and hearing them go on and on about internet groundswells and grass roots this and money bombs that just annoys me.

5. Many republicans don't see him as an actual republican. Getting the republican nomination is a game of trying to out conservative each other so the people on the far right will vote for you. He is way too much in the middle/left for anyone in the base to support him and that will doom you every time.

Anyway, these are just a couple of my thoughts on why he disappeared. maybe you could also say that it seems like he never spent any of this money he was famously raising. I haven't seen one ad or commercial for him, but my state is just voting this week and the republican race has long been over so maybe he did spend earlier on.

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DWB

He is too dangerous. Do you think anyone is going to let him dismantle the IRS and Federal Reserve? LOL

The world bankers can't let that happen.

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notoldschool

The GOP tried to stop him at every turn. There are too many hands in the cookie jar to have a real candidate. They need a puppet who will do what the top 1% want. All the poor guys on this board that talk shit are just sheep that beleive in shit they have no clue about.

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David!

If the GOP was really successful at blocking Ron the Retard, then how come it can't stop Obama? Are you really that stupid?

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CDSmith

No need for me to spend half an hour compiling an answer when my old friend Kane has said pretty much everything I was thinking already.

Point 4 particularly stood out.

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severe

bingo, too idealistic. i like his voting record and integrity and would vote for him, but realistically it would never happen.

#2 is also my major pet peeve with him. outside of veto power, what more can he really accomplish as president which he cannot do from the legislative position hes currently in. if he cant rally anyone now while in power to make the changes he speaks of, what will a presidency change? i wouldn't mind him at the veto table, but then its a catch22 cause if he wants something done hes gonna have to compromise on something congress wants otherwise he'd make no headway with anything.

notoldschool

Um...your an idiot. no really, your an idiot. Did you forget that Obama is democratic since your last idiotic post?

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Paul doesn't have broad demographic appeal. I think some people early on confused the really strong support of a small group of supporters as something that would lead to more general support. Politics, like business, is about competition. His competitors are better politicians with better support and broader appeal. If you followed the Ron Paul forums you can see early on that most Paul supporters thought he would win the nomination. There were plenty of arguments that turned out to be quite vacuous.

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Sausage

Ok fair enough.

As an educated person as far as economics are concerned he had some very very valid points, but it seems they were too radical for the US. Better the status quo Though the rest of the world is still really concerned at the free falling dollar and I think you will find the Euro will take over as the global currency which will really hurt the US.

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ADL Colin

There is another point too. Paul's candidacy was really a grassroots campaign with quite a few unusual stories generated by his supporters. The history of such grass roots presidential candidates is not good though and Paul's supporters spent time on bizarre events and press releases such as this.

"Next Tuesday (New Year's Day) at 8:30PM EST, a group of fervent supporters of Ron Paul's bid for the presidency of the United States are planning a virtual rally on World of Warcraft's Whisperwind server.

According to the fourteen pages of planning for the event found in this Ron Paul website, players plan to create a guild (presumably with a name designed to advertise their political affiliation), then march from Ironforge to Stormwind."

Interesting but the appeal is very limited. What did the average person over the age of 40 think of such an event? i'd say it was a negative.

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notoldschool

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Too radical? You mean like an illegal war waged against a country that didnt raise a gun agains us? You mean too radical for our own president to say GOD told him to do it? You guys crack me up with this shit.

the president only has veto power...Blah blah blah...ha ha ha..thats why they put all their idiot freinds in high power positions so they can do what they want and when the pussy democrats want something they veto it. Wake the fuck up and stop sipping the kool aid.

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David!

Oh really?

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Sausage

By radical I meant getting rid of what he said he would and the financial changes. You obviously didn't bother to read any of the constructive responses in this thread and just skimmed for the opportunity to spout your already established political rhetoric.

Then again you are a NBC worshiping blinkered Obama supporter ... so you are clearly are easily swayed by pretty speeches and have little ability to think for yourself. Its evident in all of your posts.

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notoldschool

LOL. yeah right. You see I am still about following the constitution. I have not been swayed by pretty speaches at all. At this points we have a selection between 3 candidates..yeah my man is still there but Im not fool.

Mccain = killing the internet = killing my bank account
Clinton = No health insurance = fines and jail time
Obama = atleast he can speak in public without embarrasing our nation and has an IQ over 10.

Sometimes we cant have everything, but its better than nothing.

You on the other hand are spoon fed by FOX news and have been fooled into believing that our constitution is and evil document.

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notoldschool

BTW please explain how the financial instutions in place benefit our land and its people? I dare you.

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Sausage

Ok I admit Obama has charisma and the ability to speak but he's weak ... very very weak and anyone trained to look for such things can see he doesn't handle pressure at all well. He is starting to crack, and is making some pretty bad mistakes that only an amateur would make. You can only hide behind the word "change" for so long before having to front up to the public ....

All 3 of them lie... and have lied many many times. There are countless examples of each of them telling porkies to further their claims, so its unfair to point out anyone in particular telling a lie. They all do, did, and will continue to.

Basically you are going to have to choose between an old white guy, or an inexperienced weak black guy. Both as bad as each other in my opinion, but I think America will go for the safer old white guy. Feel free to gloat if I prove to be wrong.

I think if Ron Paul was the nominee he would have romped it in ...

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I don't know what is funnier. That he thinks he could if he wanted or that you think he could.

IllTestYourGirls

he says he couldnt and is the only candidate that was reminding people that the power of the president should be very limited.

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David!

So all you can say about Obama is that he knows how to deliver a speech? Wow, that makes a lot of people who could be President according to your standards.
BTW, be honest and watch Obama speaks without a prompter, and then tell me what a great orator he is...

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oK, hes competent and the other two are not. Happy.

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I think he had/has a few major flaws.

These are in no specific order.



1. He is too radical. Everyone complains about wanting change, but very few people actually do want it. most people look around at their lives and if they have a decent house, a car and a decent job they are happy and they don't want to jeopardize that. you can do as Obama does and talk about change because his ideas are not too crazy, but Paul has some ideas that are little far out there for many.



-Unfortunately you're right, people won't listen to Ron's ideas until the dollar has crashed and America turns into a third world country.



2. A lot of people think he is full of shit. He can say anything he wants, but really he (and anyone running for president) is selling an ideal or a pipe dream. The president can say all they want about shutting down this and reforming that, but without the house and senate supporting them they aren't going to do much of anything. I think a lot of people see Paul's ideas as being unattainable.



-A lot of people haven't bothered to look up his voting record. He has an impeccable record and I shit you not, is the ONLY person in congress to always vote based on if the constitution authorizes it. If there is one thing you can count on with Ron, it's that he will do what he says he will do. A quality not found in a typical politician. A lot of the idea's that Ron talks about are unattainable, basically anything that requires domestic change. Which is why he always says that the people have to want change for it to happen. What Ron COULD do is change foreign policy. Stopping the Iraq war and adopting a NONINTERVENTIONIST (big difference from isolationist) policy where America would stop policing the world. America spends a trillion dollars a year overseas, adopting Ron's policies would bring much needed money home.



3. I hate to say it, but he doesn't look the part. He looks like your grandfather. He looks like a guy you would want to talk to or go play bingo with, but not like a guy who runs the country. In the modern age looking the part is probably the single most important thing. You need look no further than Obama to see that. At the beginning of his campaign he didn't talk about any ideas or policies he would work on. he didn't take a stance on anything, but he spoke well and looks presidential and it made him a rock star.



-If only politics wasn't so superficial and people debated ideas with substance, maybe our country wouldn't be going down the shitter.



4. This one might just be my own pet peeve, but his supporters are annoying. A friend of mine is a Paul supporter and whenever we start talking about political problems he pipes in and lets us know that Paul would fix that. They make it seem like Paul can and will do everything and he will make the government run better than it ever has and hearing them go on and on about internet groundswells and grass roots this and money bombs that just annoys me.



-Paul supporters are very zealous because they're seeing the country be destroyed right in front of their eyes. I for one really don't want to sit here with my thumb up my ass watching as our country prepares to bomb Iran and the value of our dollar plummet. With that said, of course their are Paul supporters who can be dumbasses. There are also plenty more Paul supporters who are educated and understand the complex problems our country faces. I could just as well find you plenty of crazy Obama, Hillary and Mccain supporters. Anyways, are you seriously going to ignore anything that Ron Paul says just because you have an annoying friend?



5. Many republicans don't see him as an actual republican. Getting the republican nomination is a game of trying to out conservative each other so the people on the far right will vote for you. He is way too much in the middle/left for anyone in the base to support him and that will doom you every time.



-This comment made me laugh. First off, Paul is the most conservative man running (counting the republican candidates who dropped out). Why don't you look at what George Bush ran on in 2000, a humble foreign policy, no nation building, no policing the world, reducing the size of government and less taxes. This is what Paul has advocated since he got into politics and this is exactly what the republicans now have not been delivering. If you want to talk about being too far int he middle/left you need only to look at Mccain. The republican party is hijacked by neocons which believe in some social conservative values but are far from real conservatives.



Anyway, these are just a couple of my thoughts on why he disappeared. maybe you could also say that it seems like he never spent any of this money he was famously raising. I haven't seen one ad or commercial for him, but my state is just voting this week and the republican race has long been over so maybe he did spend earlier on.



-I can agree with you there but would like to add, the major gain from his campaign is educating voters on what an actual republican stands for and to spread the ideas of limited government, nonintervention, a stable currency and individual freedom. It's been a long time since people have been talking about REAL change and I welcome it.


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he's an isolationist?

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I can narrow it down to a 1 word reason.


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How did the "world bankers" keep Paul from getting votes in the primaries?

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How did they privatize rivers in Africa?

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This pretty much explained it for me.

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kane

What I meant by my republican comment is pretty much what you pointed out. the modern republican party has sold its soul to the religious right in order to win elections. They have abandon any real fiscal conservatism and instead they pander to the moral minority. The modern republicans spend like drunken Kennedy's at a strip club and try to force their morality on the nation and in that respect Paul does not resemble them in any way so he is the odd man out.

Vendot

Listen, end of the day....

(1) He looks too much like Edward Norton will (when he grows old).

(2) His proposals are too radical for the mainstream to accept.

(3) He didnt have much profile before last year and the big money advertising wasnt promoting him hard enough for long enough. Its all down to the money at the end of the day because ultimately, thats what results in boosting the amount of media air time.

Sure he's a smart guy, theres no doubt about it. If i were able to vote, he'd get my vote.

PS - He's not an isolationist, he just believes we should trade with other countries rather than invade them. He has a non-interventionist approach to foreign affairs.

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CosmicTang

I don't think he's radical as much as the fact we've gotten so far away from what this country was intended to be his ideas seem radical.

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TheDoc

He has no plan of action for anything he says, he only has ideas. Ideas don't cut it when the changes are this major. If Ron came out and said I'm going to do this, and this is how I will do it, and how it will effect you - it would be totally different.

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notoldschool

Yeah, thats what all the know it alls say.

Did Mccain explain how he would accomplish getting out of Iraq in 2012?

Did Clinton explain how she would give EVERYONE health care?

Yeah, Ron Paul wants to follow the Consitution. Impossible. LOL

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GatorB

Ironcially he MORE republican than most republicans if you go by what republicans are SUPPOSED to be for.

kane

Very true, but he doesn't match up to the modern republicans. He is more old school, not the bible thumping morality police that is the modern republican party.

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Shhhhh! Sausage, this is one of the people Kane was referring to.

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Ron Paul has been in politics for over 20 years and hasn't changed shit and no one has ever heard of him. A random guy off the street would make for a more effective commander in chief.