Re: MaxHardcore - How many of you know exactly where your server is located? - GoFuckYourself.com

Mutt · 06-07-2008, 07:00 AM

Max Hardcore had no idea that his sites were on servers located in a Tampa data center - and I believe that. His servers' location was an important part of the government's case against him - they wanted this case in Florida not New York or California.

So how many adult hosting companies have data centers in Bible Belt states?

camgirlshide · 06-07-2008, 08:34 AM

I know the city mine is in, but I don't know much on their views on what is considered obscene.

What if I were to say have a Jewish web site and these people think Jew's are obscene?

pornguy · 06-07-2008, 08:36 AM

Tampa is not persay part of the bible belt. But it does have a lot in influence.

If you need hosting outside the country, there are plenty of places that do it.

directfiesta · 06-07-2008, 08:36 AM

location is not all, who controls it also plays...

So your server outside USA ( or that sate ) but under a USA corp ( or afffiliation ) comes to the same.

BVF · 06-07-2008, 08:44 AM

Mine is in the Phillipines.....Before that, it was in New York....Yeah that's kinda fucked having a server in Tampa...

So you're saying if he was hosted in NY, he could've avoided all of this?

GetSCORECash · 06-07-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Tampa is not persay part of the bible belt. But it does have a lot in influence.

That is a good point. Tampa the city is not part of the bible belt. The counties around tampa are more conservative republican.

The Judge · 06-07-2008, 09:16 AM

It does not matter where your server is. If your site can be reached from the US then you are targeting American citizens and liable no matter what your citizenship is.

directfiesta · 06-07-2008, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Judge

It does not matter where your server is. If your site can be reached from the US then you are targeting American citizens and liable no matter what your citizenship is.

you are serious ... So as a Canadian, content on my server should comply with US ( or Tampa law ).

And does your stuff on your US server have to comply to Canada's law .. or better to China's law...

Get real... US law stops at US borders.

Mutt · 06-07-2008, 09:25 AM

No way would the goverment have brought that case against Max Hardcore without the evidence of physically mailing the obscene DVD's to a Tampa address.

What hasn't ever been decided yet is whether a website owned by somebody in California can be brought up on obscenity charges in Florida simply because a citizen of Florida can access and download the material from a server owned and located in California.

If I'm wrong - show me the case.

fris · 06-07-2008, 09:33 AM

mines in texas

The Judge · 06-07-2008, 09:34 AM

I'm serious, there were a couple cases where non-americans were arrested at Airport transit and such, do a search.

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

you are serious ... So as a Canadian, content on my server should comply with US ( or Tampa law ).

And does your stuff on your US server have to comply to Canada's law .. or better to China's law...

Get real... US law stops at US borders.

directfiesta · 06-07-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Judge

I'm serious, there were a couple cases where non-americans were arrested at Airport transit and such, do a search.

That is quite different then your blanket statement ... You have to set foot in the USA.

It would be nice if these " abuse " of laws could be applied to US citizens on foreign soil.

David! · 06-07-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

you are serious ... So as a Canadian, content on my server should comply with US ( or Tampa law ).

And does your stuff on your US server have to comply to Canada's law .. or better to China's law...

Get real... US law stops at US borders.

They just need one intermediary in your business process to be located or tied to the US to get you.
With all the serious crimes such as drug trafficking, rapes and murders, it is quite amazing they find time to go after us

Sly · 06-07-2008, 10:24 AM

Many of the adult hosting companies are in the New York area, California, a couple in Florida, and then of course the big "bulk" server companies that many people use are in Texas. I know where all of my sites are located...

jakethedog · 06-07-2008, 10:24 AM

I own my own servers and made damn sure they are not on Canadian or US soil ..

StuartD · 06-07-2008, 10:26 AM

Yup, I've been to the cages where my sites are hosted. I know exactly where they are.

topnotch, standup guy · 06-07-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

Tampa is not persay part of the bible belt. But it does have a lot in influence.

So it would seem. It's a shame too because Tampa (for the most part anyway) is a pretty cool city. Shame the place had to get tainted like this

StuartD · 06-07-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

So it would seem. It's a shame too because Tampa (for the most part anyway) is a pretty cool city. Shame the place had to get tainted like this

I'm sure most of the people there see it as a cleansing of the taint...

sadly.

Adultnet · 06-07-2008, 12:56 PM

I guess it does not real make a point in this cases..

pr0 · 06-07-2008, 01:18 PM

if you want to operate some "fucked up" porn sites....simply move to another country

i know tons of people moving to europe/south america/canada/australia etc.

i feel bad for max....this shits wack

all he ever wanted to do was piss in a girls face & pull her hair...wtf is wrong with that

DWB · 06-07-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0

if you want to operate some "fucked up" porn sites....simply move to another country

i know tons of people moving to europe/south america/canada/australia etc.

i feel bad for max....this shits wack

all he ever wanted to do was piss in a girls face & pull her hair...wtf is wrong with that

Honestly, and I do agree that it's fucked, but he should have moved to a safe country and sold videos to Europe only and hosted and operated his sites from a safe country as well. Fuck American consumers. If he felt he needed to face fuck and piss in a girls eye socket, he should have done it while living and operating abroad. That includes banking, living, hosting, billing... you name it, and never step foot in the USA again.

Otherwise, take your medicine and go to bed.

"Land Of The Free" does not mean that you can literally do anything you want, including but not limited to throat gagging whores until they puke and then pissing in their mouth.

snaker · 06-07-2008, 03:31 PM

wasnt the hosting run by the voyeur dorm peeps or somethin?

thunder99 · 06-07-2008, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Judge

It does not matter where your server is. If your site can be reached from the US then you are targeting American citizens and liable no matter what your citizenship is.

I'm always amused by answers like this. So I presume that you are aware of the laws and restrictions in every country where you have customers? Or do you have the normal American attitude that everyone must comply with your laws but you don't give a rats piss about anyone else's?

kektex · 06-07-2008, 03:40 PM

I don´t know much about US law regarding this, but let´s assume I shot the same kind of content as Max Hardcore. I am not a US citizen, do not live in the US and let´s say I keep my server somewhere in Europe (NL or wherever).

Could I get in trouble once I step on US soil?

directfiesta · 06-07-2008, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex

I don´t know much about US law regarding this, but let´s assume I shot the same kind of content as Max Hardcore. I am not a US citizen, do not live in the US and let´s say I keep my server somewhere in Europe (NL or wherever).

Could I get in trouble once I step on US soil?

Today: yes.

The americans can arrest anybody on their soil, not charge them, and put them in " special " prisons ... You have no rights to a lawyer, to know the accusations or to see the proof .

On foreign soil, it is well documented that they did kidnap people ( they call it rendition ).

Bottom line: be carefull.

I do not know where you live, but like in most cities, there must be some bad areas ( dangerous, unsafe, etc ..). You avoid them.

kektex · 06-07-2008, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Today: yes.

The americans can arrest anybody on their soil, not charge them, and put them in " special " prisons ... You have no rights to a lawyer, to know the accusations or to see the proof .

On foreign soil, it is well documented that they did kidnap people ( they call it rendition ).

Bottom line: be carefull.

I do not know where you live, but like in most cities, there must be some bad areas ( dangerous, unsafe, etc ..). You avoid them.

I live in South America, never been to the US. I dont produce content, just a regular affiliate.
I just wanted to know what might happen if I decide to go to the US sometime in the future.

Tempest · 06-07-2008, 04:03 PM

The results of that trial are complete garbage. But, there's a couple things that can be implemented to "help" avoid what's happening there... If you've got extreme material I'd look at hosting outside of the US as they used the server location to justify their prosecuting in a conservative "community"... Or use clusters or some sort of distributed system so that you have servers around the country/world. Secondly, if you sell your DVDs to a distributor, then have a contract in place that states they must only ship to places where the material is "legal". That will move the onus onto the distributor and "should" have prevented half the charges Max was found quilty of.

sinclair · 06-07-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Honestly, and I do agree that it's fucked, but he should have moved to a safe country and sold videos to Europe only and hosted and operated his sites from a safe country as well. Fuck American consumers. If he felt he needed to face fuck and piss in a girls eye socket, he should have done it while living and operating abroad. That includes banking, living, hosting, billing... you name it, and never step foot in the USA again.

Otherwise, take your medicine and go to bed.

"Land Of The Free" does not mean that you can literally do anything you want, including but not limited to throat gagging whores until they puke and then pissing in their mouth.

Agreed. I would love for America to be the land of the FREE, but apparently FREEDOM lovers feel entitled to their apathy as well.

Another point is that this is not the first time Max has been targeted. If I was in his position I would have shut down the operation after it became very apparent that the gov't was after me, which was years ago. Sure it's nice to stand up for what is right and challenge a system that is bent on removing civil liberties one by one, but there are more productive ways of doing it. Ways that can keep you out of jail. Unless of course you are not actually willing to give up throat fucking and pissing on the daughters of America.

Sinclair

Tempest · 06-07-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sinclair

Sure it's nice to stand up for what is right and challenge a system that is bent on removing civil liberties one by one, but there are more productive ways of doing it.

Unless you want to make a stand (and have your place in history) in the same way Flynt did.

BVF · 06-07-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sinclair

Agreed. I would love for America to be the land of the FREE, but apparently FREEDOM lovers feel entitled to their apathy as well.

Another point is that this is not the first time Max has been targeted. If I was in his position I would have shut down the operation after it became very apparent that the gov't was after me, which was years ago. Sure it's nice to stand up for what is right and challenge a system that is bent on removing civil liberties one by one, but there are more productive ways of doing it. Ways that can keep you out of jail. Unless of course you are not actually willing to give up throat fucking and pissing on the daughters of America.

Sinclair

Yeah he should have rolled out after the first time...

NinjaSteve · 06-08-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BVF

Mine is in the Phillipines.....Before that, it was in New York....Yeah that's kinda fucked having a server in Tampa...

So you're saying if he was hosted in NY, he could've avoided all of this?

What if your server is not in the US but owned by a US company?

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	No way would the goverment have brought that case against Max Hardcore without the evidence of physically mailing the obscene DVD's to a Tampa address. What hasn't ever been decided yet is whether a website owned by somebody in California can be brought up on obscenity charges in Florida simply because a citizen of Florida can access and download the material from a server owned and located in California. If I'm wrong - show me the case. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	The results of that trial are complete garbage. But, there's a couple things that can be implemented to "help" avoid what's happening there... If you've got extreme material I'd look at hosting outside of the US as they used the server location to justify their prosecuting in a conservative "community"... Or use clusters or some sort of distributed system so that you have servers around the country/world. Secondly, if you sell your DVDs to a distributor, then have a contract in place that states they must only ship to places where the material is "legal". That will move the onus onto the distributor and "should" have prevented half the charges Max was found quilty of.