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The following information gathered from the Library of Congress on the Legislative experience Junior Senator Hillary Clinton and Junior Senator Barack Obama. Please Feel free to check these records for yourself and draw your own conclusion.

Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term, which is 6 years and another year campaigning, has authored and passed 20 twenty pieces of legislation in her term of six years into law. These bills can be found at (wwwhomas.loc.gov). Senator Clinton has passed.

(1) Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
(2) Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
(3) Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
(4) Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
(5) Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
(6) Name post office after Jonn A. O?Shea.
(7) Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
(8) Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
(9) Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
(10) Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men?s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
(11) Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men?s Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
(12) Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
(13) Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
(14) Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
(15) Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton?s bills are, more substantive.
(16) Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
(17) Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
(18) Assist landmine victims in other countries.
(19) Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
(20) Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

She has a nice list, but note that these are The Fact?s straight from the Senate Record; Therefore, it is not made up.

Now, It is time to post Senator Obama?s record from the Library of Congress.I have to mention that Senator Obama?s list is too substantive, one is coalesced to categorize. Since its alot, remember you can go to the Library of Congress website, and check it out yourself, but I am just summarizing his first 8 months.

During Senator Obama?s first 8 eight months of elected service he sponsored over 820 bills.

He introduced 233 bills regarding healthcare reform,
125 bills on poverty and public assistance,
112 bills on crime fighting,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
In his first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
(1)the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 that became LAW,
(2)The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act that became LAW, (3)The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act that passed the Senate,
(4)The 2007 Government Ethics Bill that became LAW,
(5)The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill that is in committee just to name a few.

In all since he entered the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no legislative record. Read the facts and not emotion.

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Babaganoosh

There's one fact that trumps all of that...

Obama is a racist.

FACT: He's not getting my vote.

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The real fact's sit in Succesful bills/laws passed and Hillary wins hands down.
A Senator can write all the bills he wants just like pissing in the wind and if none stick or pass they are essentially a waste of time and most likely bad ideas.

Introducing a BIll is just that. It sits and usually does absolutly nothing and very few are ever passed when put in contrast to the number of bills and proposals written every day in Congress.

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notoldschool

Support your facts then you fucking bigot troll.

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Babaganoosh

What part of that do you need help with? How am I a bigot or a troll? Because I don't agree with what you say? You'd better come up with something better than that.

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_Richard_

haha no need man.. spread the word

notoldschool

Show some shred of proof that he is racist or shut the fuck up. Yeah Obama has a crazy pastor, but not as crazy as Mccains freinds. You said its a fact he is racist...prove it or stop trolling Obama threads with bullshit. Oh yeah, were you never told not to awnser a question with a question? it just shows complete ignorance.

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_Richard_

problem with that logic, is for the past 8 years, the republicans had control of the entire government..

how many democractic bills actually got through that would have limited that republican control?

MovieMaster

Obama Voters are a bunch of sheep! I would love to see his ass in a townhall setting without prewritten speeches from staffers and jesse jackson...

He utters and scrambles worse than george bush with on the fly questions

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That list really cracks me up actually after looking at it a couple more minutes.

It's like comparing apples to oranges. It basically breaks down to this.

Hillary is a politican that writes laws and gets them passed while Obama seems ot have a dismal record for writing Bills that actually pass!

Jesus! Has the news really got you people that fooled?
Is Media trying to say Obama is a better writer of Law and Bills than Hilary now? Thats a fucking joke because that is simply not true no matter how you look at it.

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Well for relation to this topic.

Hillary got 8 through I think while Obama 1 ( which was a co-sponsored Bill he did not even write ).
Hillary knows how to work with a strapped Republican Congress and still got Bills through.
Thats pretty remarkable in itself.

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_Richard_

but clinton has been in office a lot longer.. thinking about the comparisons from that angle, makes your argument kinda funny

_Richard_

that's a good point

but it's easy when all those bills have something to do paying out victims of 911

Babaganoosh

I've tried to explain this to you before. You're apparently too stupid to understand. Rev. Wright was Barak Obama's Pastor for over 20 years. That shows that Obama agrees with Wright's views and has for many, many years. Now that he's running for president he's suddenly appalled by what Rev. Wright says? Anyone who believes that is an idiot.

I'm waiting to hear what makes me a bigot. So far you're the only bigot I see in this thread. You're the one trying to defend a racist.

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GatorB

Who cares. Anyone can sponsor any bill about anything.

Libertine

Why is it that so many of Obama's supporters are mindless fanboys?

Seriously, what kind of complete idiot puts any trust in email chainletters? No matter who they support or attack, in 99% of cases they are either so biased as to be entirely useless, or just plain outright false. Expect this one to be debunked on factcheck.org in a few days.

I actually do hope Obama wins the general election, but his fanboys need to be bitchslapped.

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where is the fact checker proving that email wrong? what does it say regarding just touting obama?

Libertine

Here's an interesting little piece on chain emails:

http://www.factcheck.org/specialrepo...d_sent_to.html

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LOL... Michelle Malkin website .....

Don't worry, today McCain said he would veto all new BEER

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IllTestYourGirls

do you understand what sponsoring a bill means?

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WhiplashDug

what about this?

Beneath Obama's flowery rhetoric lies a dangerous economic plan that will wreak havoc on the American economy.

Obama plans to return to the failed policies of high taxation coupled with an expansion of government spending.

Worse, Obama says he is absolutely committed to almost doubling the capital gains rate — something he will easily accomplish with a Democrat Congress.

In the coming months — when investors realize that Obama will raise the cap gains rate — there could be a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their profits now to avoid Obama's doubling of the tax rates next year.

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IllTestYourGirls

Obama is god, he can do no wrong. I cant believe people think introducing that many bills is a GOOD thing.

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Brujah

Hasn't Obama vs Clinton already been decided?

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Ok first of all the president isn't going to do shit. He will make SUGGESTIONS and CONGRESS will actually pass legislation that he will either sign or veto. Now you may suggest that since the dems will likely have majorities in both houses of Congress Obama will get what he wants. Now I can get into a lesson about how the GOP can filibuster in the Senate and prevent legislation from going anywhere, but I don't want to complicate this discussion too much.

And if his policies are bad for the economy in 2010 the Dems will lose badly in the congressional elections and the GOP will gain back control just like the Dems did in 2006 and the Repubs did inn 1994. And if it still bad in 2012 then Obama won't win a 2nd term. Like Carter and daddy Bush. See how everything works nicely?

kane

While I don't agree with all of his ideas on the economy there has never been a president that has spent more than Bush yet his tax cuts have brought in less so we have more debt. The last democrat we had in the white house seemed to keep the economy moving along really nicely.

The difference is the democrats want to spend money so the raise taxes to get the money to spend. The republicans want to spend money but they cut taxes and increase debt. Neither is a great plan.

WhiplashDug

Obama and McCain are both turds! One is a liberal and one is a socialist. Both are worthless!

Only difference I see - is McCain may be less of a puppet since he aint got much time left anyway - so why be completely beholden to the lobby? But Obama is coming from the most corrupt political system in the country, in a state totally run by his party that is in just about the worst shape possible (not that arizona is any better).

Thus my problem. I cant vote for either!

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I would challenge you to prove that statement.

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notoldschool

Replace Obama with Bush or Clinton which would look like--------------


Why is it that so many of Bush's supporters are mindless fanboys?

Seriously, what kind of complete idiot puts any trust in email chainletters? No matter who they support or attack, in 99% of cases they are either so biased as to be entirely useless, or just plain outright false. Expect this one to be debunked on factcheck.org in a few days.

I actually do hope Bush wins the general election, but his fanboys need to be bitchslapped.


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Why is it that so many of Clinton's supporters are mindless fanboys?

Seriously, what kind of complete idiot puts any trust in email chainletters? No matter who they support or attack, in 99% of cases they are either so biased as to be entirely useless, or just plain outright false. Expect this one to be debunked on factcheck.org in a few days.

I actually do hope Clinton wins the general election, but her fanboys need to be bitchslapped.

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there is your awnser ...btw Im sure you are too much of a pussy to bitch slap anyone.

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you're a dumb ass..welcome to my ignore list

IllTestYourGirls

There are others running. Im not voting for either.

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_Richard_

i checked the url provided in that text

it says "(wwwhomas.loc.gov)", i'm assuming that means (www.thomas.loc.gov)

There, after a quick search, i pulled up literally the same information, but with a great deal more detail in regards to what actually was passed

so this is one of the two emails..

Libertine

Ehm, no. Both Clinton and Bush had FAR fewer fanboys than Obama. Sure, both had a decent share of idiot supporters, but when it comes to dumb fanboys as a percentage of supporters, only Ron Paul beats Obama.

And it appears you support both Obama and Ron Paul... interesting

By the way, I've been meaning to ask you... how in the world can anyone first support Ron Paul, and then switch to Obama? Do you even realize just how little their platforms have in common?

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_Richard_

but investing trillions of dollars into a war is somehow the better idea?

Why does the media report what's wrong with America's future, but doesn't seem to touch on a lot of the present issues or comparisons

Socks

I really can't believe US citizens are so egotistical and vain that they truly believe whatever they think in their heads means more than just doing the obvious thing and getting the republicans off the stage.

When it all comes down to it, I would vote for these people over John McCain:













I mean I don't even like Youppi, but I'd still vote for him over McCain, any day.

So seriously.. Before you post your next obama is a _________ comment, have a look at the big picture.

You probably haven't even showered today, get a grip.

WhiplashDug

Lol... this thread is pointless.

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icymelon

who hates obama? no one I know!

GatorB

Sorry Balky is not a natural born US citizen so he can't run for Preisdent.

kane

Here is some info http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-04tax-sum.htm

Some highlights from that site, "The Bush tax cuts have contributed to revenues dropping in 2004 to the lowest level as a share of the economy since 1950, and have been a major contributor to the dramatic shift from large projected budget surpluses to projected deficits as far as the eye can see."

And "he design of these tax cuts was ill-conceived, resulting in significantly less economic stimulus than could have been accomplished for the same budgetary cost. In part because the tax cuts were not as effective as alternative measures would have been, job creation during this recovery has been notably worse than in any other recovery since the end of World War II."

Or " The tax cuts would reduce revenues by $276 billion in 2004, according to Joint Committee on Taxation estimates. Further, the interest costs associated with the enacted tax cuts would equal $20 billion, using Congressional Budget Office assumptions. The total cost would therefore be $297 billion, or 2.6 percent of the economy (or GDP). Using these estimates, the cost of the tax cuts account for more than half of the 2004 deficit, which CBO estimates to be $477 billion or 4.2 percent of GDP. Based on these estimates, the deficit would have been 1.6 percent of GDP without the tax cuts."

Seems pretty clear to me.

You don't have to be an economist to figure it out. Bush said that the tax cuts would stimulate the economy thus creating more income and the money coming in from the increased revenue would offset the losses from the tax cuts themselves. That didn't happen. We have had two different recessions under Bush. One in 2001 and the one we are in now. The economy, even at its best has never been all that strong and we are now drowning in debt.

I didn't go to Harvard but I can see if you reduce the amount you bring in, never replace that amount the increase your spending, things didn't work out has you had planned them to.

IllTestYourGirls

But Obama has no plans on stopping the war. He is threatening Iran and has said he will go into Pakistan to get Osama.

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Racist.

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Newsflash we go to war Iran your taxes are going to raised no matter who is president.You cant fight terrorists and rogue nations on the chinese credit card forever.
Also these people that say obama is going to ruin the economy,hello have you read a news paper lately? lol

_Richard_

Far as i heard, he told that audience that he woudl do whatever is necessary to protect American interests, along with her allies.

Going into Pakistan is one thing, actually finding anyone without being torn to shreds by the locals is something completley different

tony286

People dont want to look at this ,they would rather believe the bullshit.

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WhiplashDug

Interesting information... but it would be MORE useful if it actually took into account the fact that revenues were ALREADY declining do to the recession that began during the final years of the previous administration + the ripple effects of the 911 attacks.

More over, while you can argue that had those tax cuts NOT been made, the revenue would not have dipped as far as it did. But then how would you explain the record growth in overall tax revenue for the subsequant years?



Im no Harvard graduate either - but that graph tends to show an overall gain of about 19% - and all the while, the US economy is reported to be in the shitter! How is this possible?

Don't get me wrong, I am in NO WAY a Bush supporter for too many reasons to list - but the tax cuts worked and spawned economic growth and DRASTICALLY increased overall federal tax revenue.

The thing you dont like to consider, is how much those extra bucks in the hands of the people actually contributed to the overall good of the economy and the growth of federal taxes. Every time we cut taxes, there is overall revenue growth, go back and look at when Regan & Kennedy did the very same thing.

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Martin

There is no way he's going to become President anyway so why all the fuss.

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